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Offline ohms05

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what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« on: March 14, 2011, 03:02:35 PM »
im considering the entry level of p.audio since the original martin wsx is below 800 watts.

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2011, 04:46:23 PM »
PweDe b0z  :-)

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 06:14:47 PM »
ok thanks boss  for the info. i hope its ok also with jojo since hes the one constructing my wsx.
mas sure sya sa jack hum ng crown.

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 11:01:25 PM »
nice choice ...for the maker of ur wsx :-D

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 11:45:07 PM »
boss yung wsx mo what brand yung balak mo ikabit? kailangan ata medyo matibay yung cone.


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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 11:47:35 PM »
Neusch PD1850 or Lexus P185
5" Voice Coil

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2011, 09:04:17 AM »
try mo ung live, 18.4 6-7k ung 18.5 mga 12k, meron pa ata 18.6,
puro coated na ung mga cone, kapal,

Offline king_james

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 10:57:01 AM »
Try the C18 650el.  I've read about a comparison done abroad with the RCF L18 P300 woofer inside the WSX.  :-) :-)

Comparison C18 650el and L18 P300:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,163602.150.html

RCF L18P300 specs:
http://www.rcf.it/products/precision-transducers/low-frequency-transducers/l18p300


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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2011, 11:43:58 AM »
@king@tricia@N1X
noted! pag aaralan ko lahat ng suggestions nyo thanks.

@konastinky ano balak mo ilagay sa wsx mo? jackhammer din b?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2011, 11:45:59 AM by ohms05 »

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2011, 12:51:49 PM »
Sir ohms05 mayron yung live R18 yun ang bagay na bagay sa wsx pls call ricky gonzales 09235082791 mas mura pa kaysa mga 18.5

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2011, 01:33:55 PM »
sir ohms ... sa tutuoo lang dami ding nag suggest nang jck hmmr.. pero kaya d ko pa mabilhan need ko sana makita and marinig ang performance..sa tutuoo lng jck hmmer has also been used by a lot of mobilista sa atin. and sabi nila brutly spkng at used.. panalo daw... pakinggan mo na lng din sir tunog nang mga ibng drver at let me know...  :-D :-D :-D ako hingi suggestion sa iyo nyan... :-D

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 09:51:15 PM »
@ ohms05

MERON KAMING GAMIT NA IMF SA L36 NAMIN BRAD. PALIT SA T&T. OK NAMAN SO FAR. HALOS TROPA NAMIN NA BARGAIN HUNTERS NAG TRY NG IMF OK NAMAN HINDI MASELAN SA KAHON MAGANDA NAMAN ANG BAYO.  ANG IBA NGA AKALA AY FANE COLOSSUS 18XB NAMIN ANG NAKASALPAK PA PERO NGAYON IMF NA DIN DAHIL WALANG PYESA ANG FANE NAGPUPPULBOS ANG GILID NAIBENTA NA HEHE

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2011, 12:17:32 AM »
sana magawan ni basshead ng paraan magkaroon ng parts. paging mr.marcel.
bumili din ako ng xb colossus last dec. ang maganda sa kanya claro at crisp tumunog sa wbin. kaso nga yung pyesa as you said wala nga stock. kaya binalik ko na ulit sa box maibenta na kaya. :-D
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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2011, 07:18:09 AM »
@ ohms05

MAGKANO NA BA ANG FANE COLOSSUS 18XB DITO BRAD? MAGANDA NAMAN ANG COLOSSUS PERO DAPAT MAY PARTS SUPPORT ANG DISTRIBUTOR. 

YUNG REWIND KASI TEMPORARY LANG AT MAY TIMES PA NGA PATI IBANG PARTS NG SPEAKER TULAD NG SPIDER, CONE AY MASISIRA DIN DAHIL SA PAGKALAS.  HINDI NA DIN MAIBABALIK SA ORIG NA CONDITION ANG SPEAKER MO KAHIT SABIHIN PA NILA NA MAGALING YUNG MAGREREPAIR. SA PINAS LANG USO YAN SA TINGIN KO.

YUNG NAMAN NILALAGAY NA TREATMENT SA KONO AY SA TINGIN KO IMBENTO NA LANG DITO YAN. ANG MGA SPEAKERS NAMIN NA B&C, FANE, RCF AT P.AUDIO WALA NAMAN MAKINTAB NA COATING SA KONO.  ANG ALAM KO KASI DYAN MAG-IIBA ANG COMPLIANCE. KAPAG BUMIGAT ANG KONO MAY EPEKTO SA SPL NG SPEAKER.

IMPORTANTE DIN ANG POWER AMP MO KUNG MATCH ITO SA SPEAKER MO. MALAKI ANG EPEKTO SA RESPONSE AT OUTPUT NG SPEAKER ANG POWER AMP.

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 01:32:08 AM »
Sir maxC 14k srp may less pa. +1 ako dun sa sinabi mo pag rewind talaga iba na tunog and in the long run masakit na sa tenga yung tunog.  tulad ng black widow wala na ata orig recone kit audiophile oorderin forever hangang makalimutan na. :lol:

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2011, 07:14:29 AM »
Mga B0z kunG parts ng Fane at Peavey , sa MB din anG recommEnded. PaTi ElectroVoice. Dit0 nagpapaGawa siLa RSL at PMX daTi pa. Back t0 0rigiNal. Pati mGa JBL paRts :-)

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 07:52:22 PM »
Try the C18 650el.  I've read about a comparison done abroad with the RCF L18 P300 woofer inside the WSX.  :-) :-)

Comparison C18 650el and L18 P300:

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,163602.150.html

RCF L18P300 specs:
http://www.rcf.it/products/precision-transducers/low-frequency-transducers/l18p300



the c18 650el is cheaper than the rcf l18p300 and it also has a higher e.b.p. (efficiency bandwidth product) value.

1)  p.audio c18 650el = 127.27 e.b.p. value

2)  rcf l18 p300 = 97.06 e.b.p. value

about e.b.p. (efficiency bandwidth product)


http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq6

c18 650el thiele-small parameters


rcf l18 p300 thiele-small parameters
« Last Edit: March 21, 2011, 07:55:07 PM by Jef2 »

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 04:02:14 PM »
the c18 650el is cheaper than the rcf l18p300 and it also has a higher e.b.p. (efficiency bandwidth product) value.

1)  p.audio c18 650el = 127.27 e.b.p. value

2)  rcf l18 p300 = 97.06 e.b.p. value

about e.b.p. (efficiency bandwidth product)


http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq6

c18 650el thiele-small parameters


rcf l18 p300 thiele-small parameters


Ay0s.  YunG kayanG IMF ilang anG E.B.P. value?  :?

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 11:29:03 PM »
Good to hear that someone mentioned the EBP, one of the TS parameters na dapat nating malaman in selecting drivers, but there are  more TS parameters that we need to know such as QTS, BL and Xmax, especially in dealing with folded horn cabinets such as this WSX, 186, eL36 etc.
Since folded horn boxes got small front chambers you need drivers with higher the BL and xmax and a lower QTS. BL means how strong driver motor is, the larger the BL value the stronger the driver the better it can control the cone. The higher the BL the bigger the magnet. QTS is the total strength of the driver motor and the magnet but its opposite of BL. Low QTS value means bigger magnet and better cone control. Xmax is the maximum overhung of the voice coil. Pag sumasayad na voice coil means maliit xmax nya. For folded horn bins the higher the xmax the better. Thats the reason why folded horn design box has higher spl compared to reflex or front loaded speakers.

Very important ang TS parameters in selecting drivers for certain speaker box design, na malimit nababaliwala natin, we always tend to put what ever drivers na meron tayo, ang isa pa e karamihan sa mga affordable na china drivers e walang TS parameters so you dont know if the driver will perform properly on your box.

Here is the link form speakerplans regarding TS parametes, very informative, mapapakinabangan nyo. I learned a lot from here..just sharing..enjoy reading na lang  po...

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq1
« Last Edit: March 24, 2011, 01:55:35 PM by mackie »

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2011, 09:06:25 AM »
@ Jef2 at mackie

GALING NIYO BRAD!  ITO NAMAN DIN LAGI PINOPOST KO DAHIL MALAKING TULONG SATIN BUMIBILI NG MGA SPEAKERS ANG T/S PARAMETERS PARA TAMA ANG MATCHING SA KAHON.  HINDI DINADAAN SA LAKI AT BIGAT NG MAGNET AT SA LAKI NG VOICE COIL ANG SOUND QUALITY AT SPL NG MGA SPEAKERS.  LUMANG TUGTUGIN NA DIN NA "MADAMING GUMAGAMIT NITO" KAYA MAGANDA ANG SPEAKER.

ANG FANE COLOSSUS 18XB NAMIN E.B.P. AY 92.18 (FS= 33HZ / QES= .358)

ANG B&C TBX100 AY 91.89 (FS= 34HZ / QES= .37)

IMF HP18S NA LANG ANG KULANG.

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2011, 02:09:21 PM »
Good to hear that someone mentioned the EBP, one of the TS parameters na dapat nating malaman in selecting drivers, but there are  more TS parameters that we need to know such as QTS, BL and Xmax, especially in dealing with folded horn cabinets such as this WSX, 186, eL36 etc.
Since folded horn boxes got small front chambers you need drivers with higher the BL and xmax and a lower QTS. BL means how strong driver motor is, the larger the BL value the stronger the driver the better it can control the cone. The higher the BL the bigger the magnet. QTS is the total strength of the driver motor and the magnet but its opposite of BL. Low QTS value means bigger magnet and better cone control. Xmax is the maximum overhung of the voice coil. Pag sumasayad na voice coil means maliit xmax nya. For folded horn bins the higher the xmax the better. Thats the reason why folded horn design box has higher spl compared to reflex or front loaded speakers.

Very important ang TS parameters in selecting drivers for certain speaker box design, na malimit nababaliwala natin, we always tend to put what ever drivers na meron tayo, ang isa pa e karamihan sa mga affordable na china drivers e walang TS parameters so you dont know if the driver will perform properly on your box.

Here is the link form speakerplans regarding TS parametes, very informative, mapapakinabangan nyo. I learned a lot from here..just sharing..enjoy reading na lang  po...

http://www.speakerplans.com/index.php?id=faq1

+1  :-)

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2011, 02:13:17 PM »
imf hp18s e.b.p. value is 89.89


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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2011, 09:20:10 PM »
@Jef2

SALAMAT BRAD. NAKUMPLETO NA DIN ANG E.B.P. VALUES NG MGA SPEAKERS NAMIN.

- FANE COLOSSUS 18XB = 92.18 (FS= 33HZ / QES= .358)

- B&C TBX100 = 91.89 (FS= 34HZ / QES= .37)

- PAUDIO IMF HP18 = 89.89 (FS= 32HZ / QES= .356)

HALOS DIKIT NAMAN ANG VALUES = KAPAMILYA, KAPUSO AT KAPATID  :-D

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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2011, 09:52:54 PM »
pag mas mataas pala resonance frequency ay tataas ang EBP, dapat pala mas mataas fs ang speaker na bibilhin at mababa ang Qes
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Re: what type of speaker brand best for diy wsx box?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 10:10:49 PM »
pag mas mataas pala resonance frequency ay tataas ang EBP, dapat pala mas mataas fs ang speaker na bibilhin at mababa ang Qes

MAY PUNTO KA BRAD. PERO SA SPEAKERPLANS.COM REGARDING EBP VALUE, ANG OK NA VALUE AY NASA 130 EBP.  SO FAR YUNG P.AUDIO C18 650 ANG MALAPIT =127.27.