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Offline sigjoys

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Help on Drum Lugs!
« on: October 17, 2007, 07:28:50 AM »
hi Pinoydrums forumites,

im a regular on guitar central but i need your help on my nephew's ddrum problem.

as based on this thread

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,25381.0.html

sandythedrummer quoted, mahina nga yung lugs ng drums - i do confirm it. 1 week ago, my nephew recently bought a diablo punx kit (ala bonham) at JB. he knows how to play drums but noob yet to gears and maintenance since this is first kit. to my dismay, pagkauwi namin, biak na agad yung lock para paa ng floor tom (or whatever you termed it, di ko po kasi alam  :oops:). good thing they replaced it after returing that specific part the next day. this is the sad news, a week later, while he was tuning the snare, one of the lugs broke. same thing did happen on one of the floor tom. i think its made of cast zinc tapos manipis pa yung walls ng lugs. i presume it can't withstand the tension that's why it broke off.

reading through some of the threads here, well i really learned my lesson that hardware sturdyness should be one of the primary consideration when buying a kit. well anyway, i can't bring back the past. please take note also that the lugs presented on ddrum's website is completely different from the ones sold here.

with this, can you help out guys with this problem. your suggestions are highly appreciated. i am having a dilemma that some of the lugs will be experiencing the same thing (oh well i hope not). To add up to it (and since i really a noob), i think the lugs are not in the same size like those available at lazer, although i haven't checked it personally yet. mas maliit yung agwat ng screws ng lugs ng ddrums over dun sa available sa lazer. for me ok lang naman kahit anong matibay na lugs na magkakasya dun sa butas ng shell. the snare lugs is also different from the standard lugs. It has a different set of lugs sa taas at sa baba ng skin

here's my questions

1. where can I source locally a sturdy/hard/durable lugs that will fit the screw holes punx kit shells?
2. is there anyone here fabricating custom lugs? sa machine shop ba pwede magpa-fabricate?
3. is it okay to rebore new holes to the shells to fit the commercially available lugs? but as much as possible, i don't want to resort to this.

if this is a double post pardon me or a thread like this is already existing, can you reply back to me the thread/s pertaining to this?

HHHEEELLLPPP!!!!
« Last Edit: October 17, 2007, 07:31:00 AM by sigjoys »
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Offline toybitz

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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 09:32:25 AM »
Hi Sig, nice of you to drop your question here.

If possible, try to bring that floor tom along with you and fit it against the ones in JB, Lazer and Yupangco stores (perfect pitch and yamaha).
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 10:03:20 AM »
oww...mahina pala hardware ng ddrums? saan ba gawa yun? :-)

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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 10:37:11 AM »
sayang yun Ddrum ah, naka iso mounting na eh pero mahina pala bakal.

buti nalang nalaman ko..kasi yun na yun nirerecommend ko para sa youth center namin...
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 11:16:37 AM »
1. where can I source locally a sturdy/hard/durable lugs that will fit the screw holes punx kit shells?

none

2. is there anyone here fabricating custom lugs? sa machine shop ba pwede magpa-fabricate?

machine shops. they can fabricate brass lugs for you at a cost. it wont be the same as your existing lugs but brass is sturdy. i had a sample brass tube lug made 2 years ago, cost me 550 for a single lug. lesson learned: buy, dont customize

3. is it okay to rebore new holes to the shells to fit the commercially available lugs? but as much as possible, i don't want to resort to this.

this may be your only choice. get a bigger lug so the old hole will be covered



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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 11:28:16 AM »
kuya pao! hindi ba magiiba tunog nun kahit may butas?

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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2007, 11:32:30 AM »
Hays!!! nakakaattract tlga ung ddrum diablo punk kit lalo kapag sa malayo tinignan
but look at it closely, halatang mahina ung lugs nya pati ung powdercoating nung hardwares pangit din..tsk, :-(
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2007, 11:36:08 AM »
Hays!!! nakakaattract tlga ung ddrum diablo punk kit lalo kapag sa malayo tinignan
but look at it closely, halatang mahina ung lugs nya pati ung powdercoating nung hardwares pangit din..tsk, :-(

OT

so ddrums is out...hmm...mas ok pa yun Fernando? but mas pricey eh.
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2007, 11:56:12 AM »
sigjoys, tingin ko mauuwi ka sa pagrebore ng butas nun...mas ok naman din yun eh..bawi ka na lang sa lugs..lagyan mo ng maganda like pearl lugs  :-)

OT: pansin ko lang sa bagong Fernando drums ha...nakasubok kasi ako nito sa friend ko, pinatono niya sakin para sa brother nya, kasi gusto din maging drummer. nahiram ko din para sa Grad ball..

ang napansin ko, yung screws nung lugs lumuluwag...pagkatono ko, tinugtog ko sandali, ayun may natanggal na isang screw..hindi naman siya loose thread, at na double check ko pa yun.. sa mga new fernando kit owners, meron bang nakakaranas ng ganito?
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 02:27:06 PM »
whoa!!! nakaka-overwhelm ang response ng mga tao dito  :-D. ibang-iba sa guitar central!!! thank you thank you sirs bitoy, peeves, et al.

yung lug eh nabiyak mismo sa gitna. tangal din yung ala nut part ng lug. may epekto ba sa tonality ng drums kapag nagbutas ako to accomodate the new lug? just anticipating also, kapareho ng lug orientation yung snare with the toms. mas ok ba gamitin yung common na lug for both top and bottom or different set of lugs? available ba ang lugs in set o paisa-isa?

sir bitoy, sorry for being noob, machine heads at tremolo ang alam kong hardware eh, but what is iso mounting? available ba ang lugs in set o paisa-isa?

o btw, magkano ang pearl lug/s?

sirs blue / cavsdieagram, its probably zinc, which also used mostly as tremolo blocks in economy trems in guitars. ok lang naman pero manipis yung walls ng lug. kung icocompare mo, IMO, mas mukhang mas matibay pa yung lug na nabibili sa lazer. i think its not powder coat kasi natatanggal yung paint.

pasensya na if i don't use drum linggo. hindi ko talaga alam eh.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2007, 02:28:53 PM by sigjoys »
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 03:11:09 PM »
TAMA!!! matibay tlga mga lugs sa lazer, ask sir peeves...kc kapg nagcucustom sya ng shells eh lazer din na hardware ginagamit nya... :lol:
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 03:20:41 PM »
ang napansin ko, yung screws nung lugs lumuluwag...pagkatono ko, tinugtog ko sandali, ayun may natanggal na isang screw..hindi naman siya loose thread, at na double check ko pa yun.. sa mga new fernando kit owners, meron bang nakakaranas ng ganito?

hahaha kasi malamang gawang china yung lug at gawang taiwan yung tension rod  :-D hindi kasi sila nagsasalita ng same language kaya ayun hindi magka intindihan. its either malaki yung receiver nung lug or maliit yung diameter ng tension rod. it happens. sa lazer kasi ganyan, bumili ako ng 100 pcs na china lugs, hindi magamit dahil taiwan made yung tension rods nila pero buti na lang may mga china made tension rods na rin sila. noticeable yung tension rods kasi mas makintab ang mga taiwan made kesa chinese.

may epekto ba sa tonality ng drums kapag nagbutas ako to accomodate the new lug?

wala

just anticipating also, kapareho ng lug orientation yung snare with the toms. mas ok ba gamitin yung common na lug for both top and bottom double ended lugs or different set of lugs regular single sided?  

pareho lang sila, ginagamit lang yung single side sa toms at bass kasi masyado mahaba yung gagamitin mong tension rod kung mag double ended ka na parang ganito



available ba ang lugs in set o paisa-isa? yes available sila dito pero masyadong limited. mabibili mo lang na complete set e yung old ludwig lug copies na merong double ended, single at pang bass drum.


sir bitoy, sorry for being noob, machine heads at tremolo ang alam kong hardware eh, but what is iso mounting? available ba ang lugs in set o paisa-isa?

see below



iso mount or isolation mount

ginagamit para hindi naka attach yung tom holder directly sa shell, nagpapaimprove ng resonance ng drum

pearl lugs are 275 each i think
« Last Edit: October 17, 2007, 03:22:24 PM by peeves24 »

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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007, 03:29:55 PM »
thank you for the info you provided. i got an insight of "what to do" thank you po ulit.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 03:32:07 PM »
may sumagot sa dasal mo  :-D

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,65860.0.html

ddrum punx for sale hehehe

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2007, 10:29:05 PM »
sir, try mo sa lazer. kaso kelangan mo magdala ng sample na lugs. kc ibaiba ung sizes nun..cheap lang ung lugs sa lazer..200php ata ung pinakamahal..cheapest is 70 ata
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 12:10:52 AM »
may sumagot sa dasal mo  :-D

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,65860.0.html

ddrum punx for sale hehehe

snare at pedal.

sana pwede pirapirasuhin yun snare para mabili yun mga lugs ni Sig.  :lol:
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Re: Help on Drum Lugs!
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 06:40:36 AM »
well. i'll just replace the entire 16 lugs of one floor tom and replace with sturdy ones. butasan ko nalang ng bago to fit the different lug. i'll have the rest as spares for the time being muna.

thanks sir bitoy and peeves for the help.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 06:42:05 AM by sigjoys »
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