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Title: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 08, 2012, 01:38:51 AM
@ r_chino18
Let's try this. Do the first pics!
Here's everything and anything tweed, brownface, blonde, blackface, and silverface. Cutoff maybe at the years around the ultralinears. Should we peg the vintage to around and before '76 - '77? Just general talk. Hopefully we can leave the tech info, troubleshooting and diagnosing problems out of it, so that the shy fender owners can come out of the woodwork! But circuit discussions are also encouraged, makiramdam na lang if noses are bleeding. All in the spirit of fun fender ownership basically!
Remember, pics are welcome! Share the acquisition story, first impressions, first mishaps, first few gigs, etc.
08062012 edit: some links to help you on your first "new old amp"!
Overview of vintage fenders (fender field amp guide) (http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/)
When's my amp made? (http://www.superchamp.dk/papers/dating_fender_tube_amps.htm)
How fender amps work (layman's terms) (http://fenderguru.com/how-fender-amps-work)
Pulling tubes and other fender twin basic tricks (http://fenderguru.com/amps/twin-reverb)
The wettest reverb and tremolo out of a fender reverb amp?... jumper the inputs!! (http://akavalve.blogspot.com/2009/04/trippy-reverb-trick-for-two-channel.html)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on March 08, 2012, 06:17:40 AM
Will have one soon, hopefully :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on March 08, 2012, 08:00:40 AM
Had one, 1970's dual showman, which i had to let go 4 years ago. It was my first tube amp. I sold it to fraudulentzodiac and don't know where it is now.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: greasykid on March 08, 2012, 01:11:00 PM
My first tube amp was a SF Twin Reverb. Got frustrated with it for not breaking up at 10. Haha! Didn't know it really wouldn't.
Lito Bote posted 3 Silverface Fenders for sale here around 5 years ago. Others were a Dual Showman rehoused in 2x12 combo and a Super Reverb. My brother and I trooped to his house ASAP. Wanted to take home the Super Reverb, too but I think it had an issue.
The amp had already been rewired when I got it. Didn't matter though because it still sounds really good, specially after a recap with cheap Alexan eletrolytics
I replaced the grille cloth but stupid me put it in reverse side out. (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/mykelmike/Silverface%20Twin%20Reverb/SilverfaceTwinReverb.jpg)
I can push the front end quite a bit on the vibrato channel on this particular amp.
Almost cried when I first got it [size=6.5pt](hyperbole)[/size]. Instant tonal bliss. :-D To this day, it puts a smile on my face every time I plug in. Always pure. And humbling at the same time. I dunno if you guys understand the feeling. Sure with an old amp it has ups and downs, but thanks to the guys on here who helped me out during tough times (you know who you are!).
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: cayle on March 08, 2012, 02:05:49 PM
OT: May klase pa eh kaya di makapost. :-D
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on March 08, 2012, 02:06:31 PM
Mismo yung tone siore
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 08, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
Thanks bro. Your vid was also one of the first ones I came across when I was researching the amp out. All good stuff.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 08, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
^^Nice!! So you've tried both patriots and redcoats eh? :)
Here's mine, [size=6.5pt]post ko na old pics before the big boys find their way here[/size]. :wink: Tagal ni r_chino18 eh!!
Almost cried when I first got it [size=6.5pt](hyperbole)[/size]. Instant tonal bliss. :-D To this day, it puts a smile on my face every time I plug in. Always pure. And humbling at the same time. I dunno if you guys understand the feeling. Sure with an old amp it has ups and downs, but thanks to the guys on here who helped me out during tough times (you know who you are!).
Just got home.. Will be making another 2x12 cab soon.. Hehe.. I'll try to post some pics of my amp later.. :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: kernelsalonpas on March 08, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
great amp siore. anong speakers gamit mo dyan?
masyado naman selective ung club nyo.. kelangan vintage... hirap makasali :cry: hehe
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 08, 2012, 04:55:28 PM
Thanks siore for starting this thread. :) Here's my '74-75 Fender Dual Showman Reverb head on a Bassman shell. 2x12 cab with non-Fender 50-watt speakers. Cab is still being restored. Got it without the back cover and had a fuzzy exterior that I just had to retolex. Still lacking is a front panel with a grille cloth. to follow... :-) Got the head also without a back cover, made one and tolexed it as well.
i got '66 bassman 50 w/ 3 prong power cable removed the death capacitor and recently recaps by Kinetic i'l post pics later
Who did the changes?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: jimny on March 08, 2012, 08:24:46 PM
Quote
Who did the changes?
3prong cable and death caps by Mang Raul and Tech from Kinetic Audio for recaps, all capacitors courtesy of spanky here's the pic (http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab198/demurita/guitars%20and%20amps/Image0238.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: jeo on March 08, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Whats the threshold to be considered a vintage fender amps? atleast 30 or 25 years? :-D
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: echo_ikaw on March 08, 2012, 10:07:02 PM
To All, Ganda ng mga amps nyo! :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 08, 2012, 11:05:23 PM
Ding dong! Thanks for the initiative Siore! Just got home. Will post some pics later :drool:
Thanks siore for starting this thread. :) Here's my '74-75 Fender Dual Showman Reverb head on a Bassman shell. 2x12 cab with non-Fender 50-watt speakers. Cab is still being restored. Got it without the back cover and had a fuzzy exterior that I just had to retolex. Still lacking is a front panel with a grille cloth. to follow... :-) Got the head also without a back cover, made one and tolexed it as well.
I can push the front end quite a bit on the vibrato channel on this particular amp.
Almost cried when I first got it [size=6.5pt](hyperbole)[/size]. Instant tonal bliss. :-D To this day, it puts a smile on my face every time I plug in. Always pure. And humbling at the same time. I dunno if you guys understand the feeling. Sure with an old amp it has ups and downs, but thanks to the guys on here who helped me out during tough times (you know who you are!).
This is neat... Ganda!
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: Ryn on March 08, 2012, 11:12:33 PM
Ding dong! Thanks for the initiative Siore! Just got home. Will post some pics later :drool: Di ko na nakilala ah. Ganda na bro! This is neat... Ganda!
paki-post na nga yung mga vintage fender amps ko na pintago ko sayo.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 08, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
Whats the threshold to be considered a vintage fender amps? atleast 30 or 25 years? :-D
What do you think? Should we peg it on the years I mentioned? Just going by what FDP, TFF, and other fender amp forums and webpages define them to be. Considered vintage up to the silverfaces, sagad sa ultralinear models. After that rivera era na, red knobs, evil twin, etc, markedly different and define the start of fender amps modern era; with channel switching, PCB construction, etc. As far as I know!
@kernelsalonpas
Just cheap obscure speakers.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 08, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
Fender club na to. Haha! Salamat sir. May Bandmaster cab in the works pa ako...abangan..pero di ko pa sure kung lalagyan ko rin nung panel sa gitna gaya nung original.. hehe.. :)
paki-post na nga yung mga vintage fender amps ko na pintago ko sayo.
:lol:
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 09, 2012, 12:08:00 AM
My main amp is a 1965 Fender Bandmaster. All Original. (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/DSC_3038.jpg) (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/BM.jpg)
My Second Family. (From Left to Right) '67 Dual Showman Amp (2x15 JBL D130) '66 Bassman Amp Head '73 Bassman 50 (2x15 JBL D140) '65 Bandmaster (2x12 Utah) '76 Super Twin (2x12 Utah) '68 Vibrolux Reverb Dripedge (2x10 Oxford) '76 Vibro Champ (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/DSC_2528.jpg)
New Members of the Family. '67 Deluxe Reverb Dripedge (1x12 Oxford) (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/DR.jpg)
'76 Pro Reverb (2x12 Oxford) (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/DSC_2999.jpg)
My Latest Project Cab - A 2x15 Fender Cab cut into half and converted it into a 1x12 Tone ring cab (Still waiting for the Grill Cloth) (http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad163/oliverlevon/DSC_2885.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 09, 2012, 12:11:39 AM
:lol:Ang daming bago! :cute:
Ano kayang purpose nung middle panel sa pagitan nung dalawang speaker sa Bandmaster cab? Ano kayang noticeable difference pag wala yun?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: samuelfianza on March 09, 2012, 01:18:56 AM
Not sure if this is a real fender but it's older than me. (http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401413_2659713224609_1691834369_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: greasykid on March 09, 2012, 07:54:46 AM
Not sure if this is a real fender but it's older than me.
That's a '70s solid state. I think inigo was selling a cabinet from the same line a few years back, which got my Googling. I saw amps like that in old Fender catalog scans.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: Al_Librero on March 09, 2012, 08:14:37 AM
Lito Bote posted 3 Silverface Fenders for sale here around 5 years ago. Others were a Dual Showman rehoused in 2x12 combo and a Super Reverb. My brother and I trooped to his house ASAP. Wanted to take home the Super Reverb, too but I think it had an issue.
He was selling those pretty cheap. I wish I had the money to buy one of those back then.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on March 09, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
3prong cable and death caps by Mang Raul and Tech from Kinetic Audio for recaps, all capacitors courtesy of spanky
Thanks for the reply. I'll have to get in touch with him soon then.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 09, 2012, 10:31:27 AM
Hot damn that's a killer lineup upfront!! (see the pun there?) Too bad your location is a bit of a stretch for me, but I'm dying to plug into a good lot of those. :drool:
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 09, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
Hot damn that's a killer lineup upfront!! (see the pun there?) Too bad your location is a bit of a stretch for me, but I'm dying to plug into a good lot of those. :drool:
Haha! Quite a distance but in case, I could easily pick you up/drop you off in Alabang haha. Invite natin si Chino :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: kernelsalonpas on March 09, 2012, 01:50:23 PM
damn fine family upfront. swanky house too :-D. i was talking with mang raul nung umuwi ako and he mentioned someone in the south area too... hmmm....
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 09, 2012, 02:14:17 PM
yep south din ako sa may daang hari pero wala ako pinas although nauwi every 2 mos hehe.
that 65 bandmaster is making me drool right now man. with all your SFs did you mods any of them?
thanks!
Uy talaga, dito lang ako sa madrigal office. Let me know pagumuwi ka. As for the SFs, no mods done so far. Stock configuration sila. :) Maybe will try one soon
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on March 09, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
nice amps upfront, those are the real deal tone monsters...
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 09, 2012, 04:36:30 PM
just to ask out of curiosity, when did you start collecting vintage fender amps? mukhang marami jan sa area mo ah... or did you get them from different parts of the country?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 09, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
just to ask out of curiosity, when did you start collecting vintage fender amps? mukhang marami jan sa area mo ah... or did you get them from different parts of the country?
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 09, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
Hahaha! Madalang kasi ako sir lumabas ng bahay. Di rin ganong nagrerehearsal studio kasi kumpleto naman ng gamit sa bahay. Hehe. Sana mesa na lang pinalit niyo, patungan lang pala kelangan nila. :-P
Ganda ng Bandmaster na yan! Ang kinis kinis pa.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: kernelsalonpas on March 09, 2012, 05:10:52 PM
wtf??? talo pa nun ang pawnshop deals. i think i better start combing the rest of the metro bago makuha ni upfront lahat haha.
uy madrigal office. just a 5 minute drive... at 140kph lol :lol: cge PM kita bro.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: renz13 on March 09, 2012, 05:19:04 PM
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
Ayos ah ...Straight trade dun sa bass amp?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on March 09, 2012, 05:46:23 PM
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
what a great story... parang modern day treasure hunting ang dating, di mo alam kung anu makikita mo sa pamamasyal :-D
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 09, 2012, 08:25:04 PM
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
:lol:
I better start taking closer look at the butingting shops, baka may ginto amidst the busted JVC's and Samsungs! Abangan din natin yung iba. Malamang meron din may mga collection dyan, or at least one old fender amp that they hold dear. Nahihiya lang at this point. :wave: :wave:
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on March 09, 2012, 08:37:56 PM
Good read :) makes me wanna roam electrical shops haha once lang nangyari sa akin yun, binalikan ko pa. Ayaw nila ibenta yung vox sa labas ng electrical shop. Dunno why. Napatigil ako sa road talaga haha
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: pitongjerome on March 09, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Thanks siore for starting this thread. :) Here's my '74-75 Fender Dual Showman Reverb head on a Bassman shell. 2x12 cab with non-Fender 50-watt speakers. Cab is still being restored. Got it without the back cover and had a fuzzy exterior that I just had to retolex. Still lacking is a front panel with a grille cloth. to follow... :-) Got the head also without a back cover, made one and tolexed it as well.
i like fender on fenders kasi eh. trip ko yung tone ko nung naka plug ang strat ko sa blues jr ni mike noon..
Napansin ko rin yan. Ok yung tunog nung amp both sa strat ko at sa tele ni cayle. Sigruo gawa din nung signature tones na inaapproach nung ganung setup.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: pualux on March 10, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
nice thread, always wanted a blues junior, couldn't really justify buying one though since I'm not really a blues player
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 10, 2012, 12:05:43 AM
nice thread, always wanted a blues junior, couldn't really justify buying one though since I'm not really a blues player
Name doesn't do justice bro. I've seen some demo videos ng Blues Jr + high gain pedal and it sounds good. Actually kaya ko nagustuhan yung Wampler Plextortion kasi may nakita akong demo nun na Blues Jr ang gamit...grabe yung tone.. panalo. :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: pualux on March 10, 2012, 12:09:44 AM
Name doesn't do justice bro. I've seen some demo videos ng Blues Jr + high gain pedal and it sounds good. Actually kaya ko nagustuhan yung Wampler Plextortion kasi may nakita akong demo nun na Blues Jr ang gamit...grabe yung tone.. panalo. :)
seriously eto din plan ko dati, fender blues junior plus metal zone hahaha, kaso bihira lang magkademo yung ganun na combo. and andaming nagsasabing pangit daw or parang "no-no" siya haha oh well
pwede papost ng link nung sinasabi mong FBJ + plextortion? medyo nacurious ako hahaha
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 10, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
seriously eto din plan ko dati, fender blues junior plus metal zone hahaha, kaso bihira lang magkademo yung ganun na combo. and andaming nagsasabing pangit daw or parang "no-no" siya haha oh well
pwede papost ng link nung sinasabi mong FBJ + plextortion? medyo nacurious ako hahaha
Ngongo daw talaga Metal Zone eh. Hahaha! :lol:
Eto bro. Alam ko may isa pa, tingnan ko kung mahanap ko. My bad, Super Plextortion pala gamit dito. :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0eMwRAtfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0eMwRAtfE)
Eto yung isa pa.. mali nanaman ako.. HRD II pala ito at Carl Martin Plexitone. Sorry. :eek: :eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOD3MZdq2xA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOD3MZdq2xA)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: pualux on March 10, 2012, 12:19:31 AM
Eto bro. Alam ko may isa pa, tingnan ko kung mahanap ko. My bad, Super Plextortion pala gamit dito. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0eMwRAtfE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0eMwRAtfE)
wtf kala ko si petrucci haha, ayos, nice sounds, di mo akalaing blues junior gamit niyang amp :money:
haha yeah dami nga haters ng metal zone eh, pero minsan kasi konteng tiyaga lang pwede mo na pagandahin tunog niya :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on March 11, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
Good read :) makes me wanna roam electrical shops haha once lang nangyari sa akin yun, binalikan ko pa. Ayaw nila ibenta yung vox sa labas ng electrical shop. Dunno why. Napatigil ako sa road talaga haha
Haha! Baka display nila yun bro. Tyagain mo lang. Or alukin mo ng mga tools na mas kailangan nila sa business, baka sakali :mrgreen:
Ah, actually I started way back last quarter of 2010 lang. Yup, surprisingly, puro local purchases lang ako. No overseas transactions (for now). Siguro ang key is I travel a lot. Meron ako mga experiences na while driving, may nakikita akong electrical shops na may Fender logo. Titigilan ko yun and makikita ko sa loob ng shops yung pile of Head amps. Di nila ginagalaw kasi wala sila idea pano gawin haha! So in short halos stock pa. Dinala lang daw ng owner para pagawa kaso walang tubes. Yung bandmaster ko naman nakita ko sa isang rehearsal studio (buti di nakita ni Chino kasi malapit sa house nila to haha), ginagawa lang patungan ng gamit. Tinanong ko kung gumagana and they said hindi na. I asked kung pwede bilhin, hindi daw kasi mawawalan sila ng patungan. hahahaha! I offered na lang palitan ng bass amp na pwede patungan, ayun pumayag. Pagdating ko sa house, busted lang pala isang tube. The rest untouched.
Pero karamihan sa old musicians ko nakukuha. Nakakalibang talaga. Yung thrill ng hunting ang nagbibigay kulay dito. Bukod sa tone of course :-D I think marami pa dito.
Applicable din pala yung ganyan dito? Good to know...
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on March 12, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
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Post by: pitongjerome on March 16, 2012, 06:11:24 PM
i wanna hear fender to fender clean tones, meron ba jang sample kayo?? :wave:
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Post by: siore on March 16, 2012, 08:35:42 PM
@teleclem
Congrats!! That's a nice amp. Is that one listed at the classifieds (from musicjunkie, IIRC?). Been eye-ing that one! Good to know it goes to a good home with lots of pedal friends. :-D
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Post by: gainsucker on March 16, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
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Post by: free2rock on March 17, 2012, 08:10:30 AM
Oooohh... Sparkly.
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Post by: teleclem on March 18, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
Thanks guys! Only really digging into it now lang. I got it a few days ago tapos I just checked it lang at home tas deretso na sa gig (just a solo type thing, not with the band).
I'm reading about a 3 prong mod.. How does one go about that? Do you guys use a step-down transformer for your 110 amps?
Congrats!! That's a nice amp. Is that one listed at the classifieds (from musicjunkie, IIRC?). Been eye-ing that one! Good to know it goes to a good home with lots of pedal friends. :-D
Yes, that's the one (good guy to deal with, btw). :)
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Post by: echo_ikaw on March 18, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
Ganda Jan! :) :)
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Post by: siore on March 18, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
Thanks guys! Only really digging into it now lang. I got it a few days ago tapos I just checked it lang at home tas deretso na sa gig (just a solo type thing, not with the band).
I'm reading about a 3 prong mod.. How does one go about that? Do you guys use a step-down transformer for your 110 amps?
Yes, that's the one (good guy to deal with, btw). :)
You replace the two prong cord with one with three, and have the third prong ground to chassis, but it's only beneficial if your home wiring is properly grounded (the third round prong if inserted will actually goes to earth). Otherwise, just disconnect the death cap (0.047 from the fuse side accdg. to BF vibro champ schem), and maybe replace the power switch with a DPDT that lifts both AC and GND lines. Suggest you talk this over with Mang Raul or whoever's your tech.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on March 18, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
You replace the two prong cord with one with three, and have the third prong ground to chassis, but it's only beneficial if your home wiring is properly grounded (the third round prong if inserted will actually goes to earth). Otherwise, just disconnect the death cap (0.047 from the fuse side accdg. to BF vibro champ schem), and maybe replace the power switch with a DPDT that lifts both AC and GND lines. Suggest you talk this over with Mang Raul or whoever's your tech.
Thanks. Yeah, it'll probably be best to have him check it out. :)
@echo_ikaw: Thanks Dex!
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Post by: musicjunkie on March 18, 2012, 07:37:31 PM
Thanks guys! Only really digging into it now lang. I got it a few days ago tapos I just checked it lang at home tas deretso na sa gig (just a solo type thing, not with the band).
I'm reading about a 3 prong mod.. How does one go about that? Do you guys use a step-down transformer for your 110 amps?
Yes, that's the one (good guy to deal with, btw). :)
Thanks Bro! Enjoy that little guy. It is really awesome for fender cleans, just add a bit of verb and chorus and you got your sparkle!
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on March 19, 2012, 11:54:20 AM
Very nice collection! :) I am liking the Vibrolux Reverb and the Deluxe Reverb!
I've got Deltaslim's Silverface Princeton Reverb and already got the major parts to restore it to original specs. Just need to dedicate the time!
What's up bro? Anything else that's keeping you busy? I recently had the chance to get up close and personal with a '51 valco spectator, thought it was a cool amp! Can't ask for more mojo than that.
Post some of your fender restorations naman!
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Post by: sd8450 on April 01, 2012, 10:34:02 PM
What's up bro? Anything else that's keeping you busy? I recently had the chance to get up close and personal with a '51 valco spectator, thought it was a cool amp! Can't ask for more mojo than that.
Post some of your fender restorations naman!
@ Teleclem and Siore:
I'm out of the country mga bro and the princeton reverb is with me.
I've never seen another one in Philmusic since I joined PM a few years ago. Bart has a Li'l King Reverb which is a very nice boutique clone of the princeton reverb.
You have probably seen this amp when this was advertised for sale here. It went to vegetablejoe for a time and then it was again sold by deltaslim for the second time and that is when I got it.
It is working pretty well but the physical condition is poor. I cleaned it up a bit, put in a new Accutronics reverb tank kasi yung nakalagay mahina ang reverb, hindi yata exact replacement model. The reverb is working fine now. I also replaced the knobs and chassis straps with new original replacements.
I plan to restore this to original schematic and try to see if that is preferable over the PaulC mod done to it when owned by deltaslim.
I've got a very clean early 70s original cabinet for it (now in Manila). I also got an original fender output transformer to replace the non-original one on it now.
This is costing me more than it would to buy a similar model on Ebay but it is still worth it for me. It is satisfying to restore a vintage amp.
I like the Youtube demos of the Valco Spectator. IIRC si Filippo yata or si Musicjunkie meron nyan.
May offers nga for my Jester Oahu :) but I'm keeping this one as long as I can afford to keep it. These circuits are as basic as can be and dahil yata dyan kaya mas raw ang tone.
These are deltaslim's pics (I hope he won't mind :)): (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/larawansatimba/princeton%20reverb/SFPR.jpg)
This is the very nice and very clean original fender cabinet I got from Ebay. This is complete including original speaker, reverb tank and cables, only the amp chassis is missing. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/larawansatimba/princeton%20reverb/pr_cab_front-2.jpg)
This is the original Fender output transformer I also got from Ebay. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/larawansatimba/princeton%20reverb/output_transf.jpg)
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Post by: upfront on April 01, 2012, 11:45:05 PM
This is the very nice and very clean original fender cabinet I got from Ebay. This is complete including original speaker, reverb tank and cables, only the amp chassis is missing. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/larawansatimba/princeton%20reverb/pr_cab_front-2.jpg)
This is the original Fender output transformer I also got from Ebay. (http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/larawansatimba/princeton%20reverb/output_transf.jpg) [/quote]
aabangan ko itong process na to. Keep it up! :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on April 02, 2012, 01:59:31 AM
@sd8450 that's looking to be lots of fun. It's nice to see someone dedicate time and effort to go for original parts and restore to the best they can the way you're doing right now. Most of the time people (guilty here) are just practical, cost-conscious, function-centric and all that. It takes some serious love for what you do, and I'm always inspired how these restorations turn out! Yes sir I actually saw that at the classifieds some years ago. The PaulC mods seems to be sound in what it aims to do, but I'm all for stock too, so I'm curious with your eventual comparison. The cab looks real nice for an original, ang linis pa ng tolex and grillcloth!
The valco I got to try I believe is from musicjunkie. It got handed down already to a new owner, and I think aside from pots that needed cleaning, it came from good hands. Sounded real nice, and you're right there's a certain rawness to it. Told him also to keep it as long as he can. But I digress..
Hope you check in from time to time with updates on that PR!
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: teleclem on April 02, 2012, 07:19:12 AM
Cool, do update us. :) restoring seems like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on August 06, 2012, 11:41:26 PM
Hey guys, here's a few useful links i want to share:
Overview of vintage fenders (fender field amp guide) (http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/)
When's my amp made? (http://www.superchamp.dk/papers/dating_fender_tube_amps.htm)
How fender amps work (layman's terms) (http://fenderguru.com/how-fender-amps-work)
Pulling tubes and other fender twin basic tricks (http://fenderguru.com/amps/twin-reverb)
The wettest reverb and tremolo out of a fender reverb amp?... jumper the inputs!! (http://akavalve.blogspot.com/2009/04/trippy-reverb-trick-for-two-channel.html)
Perhaps we can compile a list of cool links like these for new "old amp" owners out there? Without being too technical, of course. (I have a few tech pages I rely on, but I opted not to include them) Just PM me to discuss a few, include natin sa first post. ^-^
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Post by: jimny on August 07, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab198/demurita/LENCO%20Turntable/P1040023.jpg) (http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab198/demurita/LENCO%20Turntable/P1040030.jpg) (http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab198/demurita/LENCO%20Turntable/P1040047.jpg) 66 blackface bassman 50 recaps and 3 prong mod knobs are fender reissue
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on August 07, 2012, 08:26:05 AM
Hey guys, here's a few useful links i want to share:
Overview of vintage fenders (fender field amp guide) (http://www.thevintagesound.com/ffg/)
When's my amp made? (http://www.superchamp.dk/papers/dating_fender_tube_amps.htm)
How fender amps work (layman's terms) (http://fenderguru.com/how-fender-amps-work)
Pulling tubes and other fender twin basic tricks (http://fenderguru.com/amps/twin-reverb)
The wettest reverb and tremolo out of a fender reverb amp?... jumper the inputs!! (http://akavalve.blogspot.com/2009/04/trippy-reverb-trick-for-two-channel.html)
Perhaps we can compile a list of cool links like these for new "old amp" owners out there? Without being too technical, of course. (I have a few tech pages I rely on, but I opted not to include them) Just PM me to discuss a few, include natin sa first post. ^-^
another great initiative :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on August 07, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
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Post by: siore on August 07, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
Ang ganda nung bandmaster. Bihira maka-score nang ganyan with original parts ano? Still has the mallory filter caps in the dog house. Parang nakakahinayang ipa re-cap. :-\
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on August 07, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
Ang ganda nung bandmaster. Bihira maka-score nang ganyan with original parts ano? Still has the mallory filter caps in the dog house. Parang nakakahinayang ipa re-cap. :-\
onga eh nakatsamba lang. Mukhang ako palang nagbukas nito. Hehe. :)
IIRC si Filippo yata or si Musicjunkie meron nyan.
Yes, used to be mine but I no longer own it and don't know where it is na ... the other Supro used to be mine too, a Thunderbolt I think which is now with a guy who's name slips me right now
Yes, used to be mine but I no longer own it and don't know where it is na ... the other Supro used to be mine too, a Thunderbolt I think which is now with a guy who's name slips me right now
Very cute and pretty duo! and your new '65 BM looks like it was barely used since it was issued from the factory...congrats bro! :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: sd8450 on August 09, 2012, 01:53:42 AM
I came across this only recently and I don't know if this has been posted yet here in GC. This is an interesting old video which could interest vintage Fender gear users and who have not seen the video yet:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjY3Mjk5OTc2.html
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on August 09, 2012, 08:25:27 AM
I came across this only recently and I don't know if this has been posted yet here in GC. This is an interesting old video which could interest vintage Fender gear users and who have not seen the video yet:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjY3Mjk5OTc2.html
very interesting video! thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: sd8450 on August 28, 2012, 02:27:40 AM
I was finally able to play my newly acquired '64/'65 princeton reverb a few days ago. It works 100% and sounds very nice and is quiet when there is no input signal. The only thing I needed to do was put a little contact cleaner to the reverb pot which was scratchy and the pot is now working normally.
I took some gut pictures while the chassis was out of the cabinet. The inside electronics are all original and untouched and very clean as can be seen in the pictures below. The reverb pan is also original and very clean and is functioning very well:
I removed the 'death cap' to make the amp safer to use. The only other thing I am thinking to do is to change the 2-wire power cord to a 3-wire power cord, again for the sake of safety. This would only work if the power source outlet is also provided with a ground connection.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on August 28, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
I was finally able to play my newly acquired '64/'65 princeton reverb a few days ago. It works 100% and sounds very nice and is quiet when there is no input signal. The only thing I needed to do was put a little contact cleaner to the reverb pot which was scratchy and the pot is now working normally.
I took some gut pictures while the chassis was out of the cabinet. The inside electronics are all original and untouched and very clean as can be seen in the pictures below. The reverb pan is also original and very clean and is functioning very well:
removed the 'death cap' to make the amp safer to use. The only other thing I am thinking to do is to change the 2-wire power cord to a 3-wire power cord, again for the sake of safety. This would only work if the power source outlet is also provided with a ground connection.
Almost 5 decades of freshness. Ganda! :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: sd8450 on August 29, 2012, 01:53:08 PM
I read somewhere na nickel-plated yung mga chassis ng Fender amps during the early years before they switched to zinc-plated chassis. The amp was obviously kept in a relatively dry area and the nickel plating helped preserve the amp through the years.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on September 04, 2012, 10:14:40 PM
Seems that post went under my radar but damn! Chassis so clean I could almost see some reflection. You guys get some nice goodies! :drool:
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: inigo on September 04, 2012, 11:01:35 PM
Year referenced by the serial, according to this site: http://www.superchamp.dk/papers/dating_fender_tube_amps.htm
There has been replacements in its caps and probably one of the transformers (I don't know where else). The grill cloth had also been painted black by a previous owner.
I just got it this Sunday from Marco Harder, and I only got to play with it a few hours yesterday. I connected it to a refurbished old Jensen P12N (no cab!) that I got from Larry Yasona, and I got glued playing with it using my CIJ Tele. It's warm, chimey, and feels great to play on.
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Post by: kawal on September 04, 2012, 11:14:51 PM
it's been a while since i last posted here on PM. good thing i randomly saw this thread first while loitering around the boards. i have a late 60's bassman which i'll soon post here. na-excite tuloy ako. :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: sd8450 on September 06, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Seems that post went under my radar but damn! Chassis so clean I could almost see some reflection. You guys get some nice goodies! :drool:
Thanks bro! :)
I thought I need to change the electrolytic caps due to the age of the amp. They are however in excellent physical condition with no signs of any damage so I decided against replacing them.
I also checked the voltages against the schematic to have some reassurance and got readings very close to the expected levels.
The old caps are physically much bigger than the equivalent modern ones. I realized/rationalized that the old big caps has greater tolerances than the equivalent small modern caps. The old caps has been working well so far so I am betting on them lasting for quite a long time.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on September 08, 2012, 10:20:03 AM
Nagamit na yan, ginawang aparador dati. Kaya talaga binuksan yan para tangalin yung mga damit sa loob.
Pwedeng taguan ng mga batang malilikot. :-P
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: TagaRetiro on October 18, 2012, 02:13:21 PM
Saw a really weird looking Fender Dual Showman amp while browsing sulit. Akala ko fake sya kasi kakaiba talaga yung itsura nya sa mga nilalabas na amp today. Niresearch ko sya and suprisingly, early solid-state amps sya na prinoduce ng fender na naconvert sa tube sa japan. You guys might want to check it out. Wala kasi akong kaalam alam sa mga vintage amps eh :-D
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: renz13 on October 18, 2012, 02:28:42 PM
Saw a really weird looking Fender Dual Showman amp while browsing sulit. Akala ko fake sya kasi kakaiba talaga yung itsura nya sa mga nilalabas na amp today. Niresearch ko sya and suprisingly, early solid-state amps sya na prinoduce ng fender na naconvert sa tube sa japan. You guys might want to check it out. Wala kasi akong kaalam alam sa mga vintage amps eh :-D
eto ba yan? http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/6791626/Fender+Dual+Showman+Amp?referralKeywords=dual+showman&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-1,1
Fender Japan lang ata gumagamit ng ganyang chassis
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Post by: TagaRetiro on October 18, 2012, 02:52:57 PM
eto ba yan? http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/6791626/Fender+Dual+Showman+Amp?referralKeywords=dual+showman&event=Search+Ranking,Position,1-1,1
Fender Japan lang ata gumagamit ng ganyang chassis
Yan nga sir! Nagback-read ako ng mga thread sa pm and may nagtanong na din dati kasi may kaparehas syang nabiling ganitong amp. eto yung nakita ko sa net http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central-station/233219-fender-dual-showman-combo-how-much-real-price-what-tubes-replace.html
Tiga-PM yung nag post na yan eh. Wala lang ang interesting lang kasi nung history nung amp haha
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on October 18, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Gabby amps yan, Made in Manila =) Mukhang ok din daw tunog nyan based sa reviews
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: TagaRetiro on October 18, 2012, 10:35:34 PM
parang walang tweeds. i've checked all the pages. di nyo trip?
Hi Nathan, di naman sa hindi trip, sa case ko it's more on the supply concerns, since locally sourced lahat ng amps ko for now. Napakahirap ngayon humanap dito ng vintage tweed bukod sa ayaw pakawalan ng ibang owners. Nagkakataon lang na palaging blackface/silverface ang nahahanap ko (yung brownface ko tsamba lang). Kaya masaya na ako sa mga ito kasi effort na talaga dito sa Pinas. Pag may nakuha ako tweed popost ko agad :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on November 15, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
pagsubok pag naka score ka. i've always liked the tweeds and ac30 tones more than black face face tones. amps that break up easy.
kaya lang parang mas popular dito amps with superhuman head room. siguro kasi mas stompbox setup friendly.
Tama. Sige pag meron haha. Meron ako blackfaces/silverfaces na may early break ups like vibrolux, deluxe reverb, super reverb, pro reverb, bassman. Pwede mo sila try anytime. Pero baka ibang tone talaga hanap mo. AC30 gusto ko magkaroon. Yup mas madami dito ang hi wattage vintage amps kasi yun ang requirement ng mga pinoy musicians from the 60's and 70's. Or yun ang dumadating sa kanila. Ngayon uso na ang small club venues (or bedroom playing) so popular naman low wattage. Evolution. Malay natin next generation would require hi wattage na naman. Hahaha!
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on November 18, 2012, 11:26:39 PM
I am out of the country presently bro and the amp is with me, pinagtyagaan ko bitbitin. It is almost unbelievable that it is still working 100% considering the electronic components, especially the electrolytic capacitors were made in 1964.
I will post a pic one of these days with my other gear.
Pareho ang circuit ng PRRI so I think they will sound very similar. Possible difference na lang siguro would be due to speaker dahil 12" ang speaker nito when I got it. Hopefully makakita ako ng Jensen C10Q na around '64 or '65 na hindi masyadong mahal para masubukan sa 10" speaker.
Congrats on your PRRI! :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: nathanmanansala on March 02, 2013, 08:14:01 AM
I like tweed tones! So far no one has posted. If you score a gem from that era... there's always a first time for this thread! :)
Pwede.. but let's have the other guys post theirs! Kahit one and only pa yan, sige lang!
pagdating sa amp i tend to prefer new ones e. :lol: di kasi tulad ng gitara na may "aging" ekek to consider that does sometimes make it sound better. sa amps, age seems to do nothing but deteriorate components na pwede mo din naman palitan ng bago. narereplicate yung old circuits provided the components are still available. plus mas mahirap magpaayos ng amp locally.
but i am fascinated by gear na may history.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on March 02, 2013, 02:04:18 PM
pagdating sa amp i tend to prefer new ones e. :lol: di kasi tulad ng gitara na may "aging" ekek to consider that does sometimes make it sound better. sa amps, age seems to do nothing but deteriorate components na pwede mo din naman palitan ng bago. narereplicate yung old circuits provided the components are still available. plus mas mahirap magpaayos ng amp locally.
but i am fascinated by gear na may history.
Oo nga ano? Although that may be the reason why a particular vintage piece can sound different from others of the same model, same tubes, & same speakers. Or why the old fenders sound nothing like the RI's. Those leaky caps, the drift in resistor values, old magnets... those are deteriorations that can be good or bad. Only the user knows.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: The Last String Bender on March 06, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
Sorry po mga sir medyo off topic dahil di pa talaga vintage yung amp ko.... Sir Upfront ask ko lang po if magawan pa ito ng paraan... I got a Fender Blues Deluxe (Original not the re-issue) from a garage sale... nasira talaga yung box at skin... naka-stock lang kasi ito sinc e nung nabili nung 90's pa... at naulanan pero di naman nagamit kaya di nasira...
I got Mang Raul checked it and he was amazed na great condition pa yung loob (maliban nga lang sa mga rusted parts ng chasis) at never pa daw itong nabuksan... He cleaned it and the sound now is really amazing...
Sir gusto ko po sana ipa-restore sa inyo... Mang Raul said na kailangan na daw palitan yung ibang wood dahil marupok na... naulanan kasi...
Sorry po mga sir medyo off topic dahil di pa talaga vintage yung amp ko.... Sir Upfront ask ko lang po if magawan pa ito ng paraan... I got a Fender Blues Deluxe (Original not the re-issue) from a garage sale... nasira talaga yung box at skin... naka-stock lang kasi ito sinc e nung nabili nung 90's pa... at naulanan pero di naman nagamit kaya di nasira...
I got Mang Raul checked it and he was amazed na great condition pa yung loob (maliban nga lang sa mga rusted parts ng chasis) at never pa daw itong nabuksan... He cleaned it and the sound now is really amazing...
Sir gusto ko po sana ipa-restore sa inyo... Mang Raul said na kailangan na daw palitan yung ibang wood dahil marupok na... naulanan kasi...
Hi bro. Congrats sa amp! Yup kaya natin restore. Usually assess muna natin kasi Baka kaya save original wood instead na palitan agad. Here's my number in case: 09175702366
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on March 09, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
My 1974 Fender Dual Showman Reverb head and my homemade 2x12 cabinet with Jensen MOD 12-70 and some DIY beam blockers..
Oo nga ano? Although that may be the reason why a particular vintage piece can sound different from others of the same model, same tubes, & same speakers. Or why the old fenders sound nothing like the RI's. Those leaky caps, the drift in resistor values, old magnets... those are deteriorations that can be good or bad. Only the user knows.
that might be more kasi may difference sa circuitry talaga. or components used. i dont think fender uses the same OTs they used in the 50s and 60s. the Jensen you know today isn't the made the by same Jensen that made them in the 50s and 60s.
may definite differences that is a lot easier to track down than guitar snake oil mojo. that's why well made modern replicas (whether exact or with improvements) cost almost as much as vintage pieces.
upfront's high powered amps though make me daydream sometimes about who played them at which legendary gig. :lol:
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: gainsucker on May 21, 2013, 12:02:01 AM
ang ganda! Ive always wanted to have one of these..
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: Bondz on September 29, 2013, 08:38:26 PM
Anybody here who needs a vintage output transformer for Bassman? (http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q667/Dino_Bondoc/stuff%20for%20sale/ec9fa0e729284040e482d1880e2d6832_zpsa3063e8c.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: Filippo on September 30, 2013, 01:48:25 PM
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: j3yps on April 30, 2014, 04:25:45 PM
Wow this is a nice thread, i own a Fender Dual Showman Reverb (Silverface) currrently restoring it, fixing all the problems and stuff. hope to learn more from you guys :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on April 30, 2014, 04:58:38 PM
Pics! :)
My dual showman reverb taught me a lot after all these years. What year is yours?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on May 06, 2014, 01:43:51 PM
Wow this is a nice thread, i own a Fender Dual Showman Reverb (Silverface) currrently restoring it, fixing all the problems and stuff. hope to learn more from you guys :)
Worth all the time and effort restoring that amp :)
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: TagaRetiro on May 09, 2014, 12:41:05 AM
Hi guys! Question lang, Is it easy to replace/fix a reverb tank?
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Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on May 09, 2014, 12:57:17 AM
Hi guys! Question lang, Is it easy to replace/fix a reverb tank?
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Easy to replace, yes. Maraming aftermarket reverb tanks. Make sure lang na tama yung part number ng oorderin mo with respect sa original para parehas din ang makukuha mo.
Easy to fix mejo. Kung may loose connection lang, swerte. Madali lang yun. Pero kung yung loob na nung maliit na inductor ang may naputulan ng manipis na wire, mas malamang sa for replacement na yung buong reverb tank.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: TagaRetiro on May 09, 2014, 01:25:37 AM
Easy to replace, yes. Maraming aftermarket reverb tanks. Make sure lang na tama yung part number ng oorderin mo with respect sa original para parehas din ang makukuha mo.
Is the reverb tanks available locally? Or do you have to order from abroad? Been looking at the classifieds and saw a twin reverb with a busted reverb tank. I can't quite decide hahaha
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Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: analog.matt on May 09, 2014, 04:47:25 AM
dati nag hanap ako online ng mga replacement reverb tanks,
most of them, if not all, are now made in Korea. okay naman ang mga web reviews, but one stands out a little better than the others, MoD ata yung brand...can't remember as of typing this
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: r_chino18 on May 09, 2014, 07:47:40 AM
Is the reverb tanks available locally? Or do you have to order from abroad? Been looking at the classifieds and saw a twin reverb with a busted reverb tank. I can't quite decide hahaha
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Order abroad, as far as I know. I'm not sure if they're available locally.
Twin Reverb with a busted reverb tank? Make sure it's the tank, it would be an easy fix (or replacement). Its reverb tank is tube driven. If I remember correctly from my DSR, two tubes power the reverb section of the amp. If the problem is with that section, then you're in for some repair on that part or probably tube replacement.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on May 09, 2014, 04:55:40 PM
Is the reverb tanks available locally? Or do you have to order from abroad? Been looking at the classifieds and saw a twin reverb with a busted reverb tank. I can't quite decide hahaha
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None so far, but you might get lucky if someone sells a good working tank. In absence of this, I got mine from tubesandmore some years ago. Accutronics is the original fender reverb tank manufacturer, so far ok naman yung repros for me.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: analog.matt on May 09, 2014, 10:07:25 PM
some prefer MOD over accutronics. if i remember correctly, accutronics is now korean owned and made. maaaring mali alaala ko but, do some research as its on the net anyway. for those who prefer MOD, they say that the reverb produced by MOD, compared to accutronics has more depth and is similar to the reverb from the old days.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: kaloyski on May 10, 2014, 08:02:46 AM
some prefer MOD over accutronics. if i remember correctly, accutronics is now korean owned and made. maaaring mali alaala ko but, do some research as its on the net anyway. for those who prefer MOD, they say that the reverb produced by MOD, compared to accutronics has more depth and is similar to the reverb from the old days.
Yep. Based on some readings, Accutronics is now Korean made, after Benton(?) or Belton (can't remember exactly) bought Accutronics. Thus people saying that while Accutronics is still an American brand, it is not anymore American made.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: analog.matt on May 10, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
i now remember asking them for a quote, the email had all sorts of korean characters aside from the main letter written in broken english telling me that they're from korea. www.belton.co.kr
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: TagaRetiro on May 10, 2014, 01:16:46 PM
wow. thanks for the response guys!
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: upfront on May 10, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
Got several reverb tanks here. You just have to test each one of them muna
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: j3yps on May 10, 2014, 07:01:44 PM
some prefer MOD over accutronics. if i remember correctly, accutronics is now korean owned and made. maaaring mali alaala ko but, do some research as its on the net anyway. for those who prefer MOD, they say that the reverb produced by MOD, compared to accutronics has more depth and is similar to the reverb from the old days.
Good stuff. I heard that too. Might check out a MOD reverb sometime. If their speakers are any indication, the reverb tanks should be good. The accutronics 4AB3C1C sound lush enough for me though, and have lasted for some years now. yMMv.
Channels jumpered and you have surf for days.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: analog.matt on May 11, 2014, 12:51:58 PM
have not read a bad thing about accutronics when i did my research. quite a number had a certain preference lang over MOD for the reason i mentioned in my previous post. the rest were just fine with accutronics.
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: siore on July 31, 2014, 11:13:42 PM
Well then... I wonder how a type 9 fares against a type 4 reverb tank? Might be my next obsession. So far as I've read, comparisons seem to be that of a closer approximation of 'room or hall' VS springy vintage surfy signature reverb. 3 springs vs 2 springs, who has tried both?
Title: Re: Vintage fender amps appreciation
Post by: titser_marco on January 13, 2018, 12:06:30 PM
Well then... I wonder how a type 9 fares against a type 4 reverb tank? Might be my next obsession. So far as I've read, comparisons seem to be that of a closer approximation of 'room or hall' VS springy vintage surfy signature reverb. 3 springs vs 2 springs, who has tried both?
Interesting. Never really fussed over reverb tank types. I just knew them to be long and short reverb times hahaha.
Anyway am considering rehousing my Dual Showman into a 4x10 cab (Chino we have to talk again hehhee) so I can effectively have a 100w Super Reverb. Hehehe