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Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« on: January 24, 2018, 05:50:55 PM »
Hello mga ka-PM! Starting 2018 with learning the ways of home recording. Well, sama mo na dn ung starting to play guitar again aftr a long hiatus.

Hindi ung tipong full band demo kind of recording. Maybe in the fututre? Who knows, pero for now, probably some overdubs or playthrough sa backing track. Although i did mga 7yrs ago pero it was using a GT-10, behringer audio interface and garage band. Im tryin this time a DAW recording, zero knowledge.

So to start, What do you use as audio interface? Read a lot about focusrite scarlett and mukhang ok. Pero inclined to listen to inputs as well.

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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2018, 11:46:57 AM »
So, after ilang bwan pag iipon, finally got an interface a few nights ago.

My thinking was, mag behringer nalng ako. Specifically the Uphoria UMC204 HD. Really cheap, and zero skills naman ako using DAW anyway so magandang pang practice? Buti nalang hindi tumatanggap ng card un store so kelangan ko mag withdraw.

Then bigla nagbago isip ko and decided to get the focusrite. Why? Mas marami ksi gumagamit, not jumping the band wagon ika nga, pero in case na mangailangan ako ng support, mas malaki chances ko na meron friendly internet peep na sasagot sa mga tanong ko. Less frustration, sana...

How about u guys, ano gmit nyo?




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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2018, 12:02:49 PM »
question.

is your guitar plugged into your amp then to your interface?

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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2018, 12:21:31 PM »
question.

is your guitar plugged into your amp then to your interface?

Bali ganito,

Guitar>amp modeller (XLR out)>interface>USB to laptop.

Interface (TRS out)>Monitor speaker

Hope i made sense?
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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2018, 12:24:19 PM »
tried bunch of interface..
nung gumamit ako ng 2i4 feeling ko mas swak talaga sya mic in setup..
so far Edirol UA-25 ang pinaka nagustuhan kong Guitar > Interface > Pc setup

sa 2i4 over kill I think..
not unless gagamit ka tlga ng midi controllers or other midi devices, mics, etc..
sold my 2i4 for that reason.
maganda dn talaga ang Plugin suite na kasama nyan

good luck brader! sana sa 2019 ako nman mag simula ulit..
focus muna sa baby ngayon  :-D


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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2018, 12:26:46 PM »
Bali ganito,

Guitar>amp modeller (XLR out)>interface>USB to laptop.

Interface (TRS out)>Monitor speaker

Hope i made sense?

napansin ko kasi nka pad yung interface. either hot yung signal or stereo input.

line6 user here pero 2i2 gamit ko pag mic. iba kasi pre amp ng focusrite.

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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2018, 12:33:18 PM »
tried bunch of interface..
nung gumamit ako ng 2i4 feeling ko mas swak talaga sya mic in setup..
so far Edirol UA-25 ang pinaka nagustuhan kong Guitar > Interface > Pc setup

sa 2i4 over kill I think..
not unless gagamit ka tlga ng midi controllers or other midi devices, mics, etc..
sold my 2i4 for that reason.
maganda dn talaga ang Plugin suite na kasama nyan

good luck brader! sana sa 2019 ako nman mag simula ulit..
focus muna sa baby ngayon  :-D

Ohhhh first, goodluck sa baby! Mas mahalaga yan over anything else :)

Ung modeler na gamit ko kasi is capable for line outputs so utilizing its potential na dn thru XLR in sa interface.

Thanks for chiming in! Hope to see your inputs soon!


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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2018, 12:40:10 PM »
napansin ko kasi nka pad yung interface. either hot yung signal or stereo input.

line6 user here pero 2i2 gamit ko pag mic. iba kasi pre amp ng focusrite.

Oohhh the pad. Yep! Fractal Audio AX8 gamit ko with max output kaya needed the pad turned on para hindi mag clip. Tama ba? Clipping ako without the pad.

Still learning gain staging and leveling ng AX8. So far, ive tried recording random stuffs, meh, needs more more more time doing this recording thing hehehe.

Ano gamit mo DAW?


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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 12:45:40 PM »
Oohhh the pad. Yep! Fractal Audio AX8 gamit ko with max output kaya needed the pad turned on para hindi mag clip. Tama ba? Clipping ako without the pad.

Still learning gain staging and leveling ng AX8. So far, ive tried recording random stuffs, meh, needs more more more time doing this recording thing hehehe.

Ano gamit mo DAW?


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dont put the ax8 output to the max level para may enough room ka pa sa recording.
yung yung maganda sa scarlett kasi may clip indicators that will guide the user regarding the head room and how they should adjust.

naka sonar x3 ako and reaper :)

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Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 01:19:17 PM »
Ohhh! Reaper dn sna ggamitin ko. Kso since ang meron ako is mac (mb air nga lang) i decided mag logic pro nalang ako.

Hmmm about the output ng ax8 naman, the pros advices output ng ax8 at max for unity gain. When properly done, dapat ang input signal sa DAW is nasa -12db, which should provide enough headroom?

Gain staging and leveling the output ng ax8 is another topic, kailngan ko aralin pa to sadly.

Question:
Let's say wala tau line6, ax8 or anything for the sake of discussion. Puede nman dry input tpos effects nalang sa DAW dba? Ano ba dpat iconsider, like sample rate, or kng ano man when recording like setting up ng DAW?
 


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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 02:58:55 PM »
Ohhh! Reaper dn sna ggamitin ko. Kso since ang meron ako is mac (mb air nga lang) i decided mag logic pro nalang ako.

Hmmm about the output ng ax8 naman, the pros advices output ng ax8 at max for unity gain. When properly done, dapat ang input signal sa DAW is nasa -12db, which should provide enough headroom?

Gain staging and leveling the output ng ax8 is another topic, kailngan ko aralin pa to sadly.

Question:
Let's say wala tau line6, ax8 or anything for the sake of discussion. Puede nman dry input tpos effects nalang sa DAW dba? Ano ba dpat iconsider, like sample rate, or kng ano man when recording like setting up ng DAW?
 


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- 9 to -12db or as long as di nag cclip.

if ever walang modeler. we can use the effects sa daw very very limited. pero oks na ako sa fab filter at waves at sa le pou. sample rate basta 44.1 no more no less.

medjo OT:
kamusta naman mga patches ng ax8? or how you dial the tones?

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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2018, 03:18:04 PM »
Thanks! Sige, i'll go for it. Bahala na si batman ika nga. i'll try to record something and post it for discussion.

Re: ax8
Stock patches para saken is ayos na ayos, some tweak here and there for personal preference. Sounded great, at least for me.

Dialing tones naman, dun medyo naging madugo. Sabi nga ng marami, hindi user friendly ang on board interface ng ax8. Tweak cya by knobs and scrolling sa mala gameboy na screen. Mas madali buhay mo kung meron ka laptop para gamitin ung software to edit patches. E zero gear ako nun nagbalik guitar ako so  wala dn ako laptop. It was a learning curve, malaking curve!

Pero once u get the hang of it, maeenjoy mo na. I belive most modelers can sound almost alike depende sa pag tweak. Its just a matter of mastering your gear. E utol ko nga gamit old RP-500 ko nappa wow pa dn ako hehehe.


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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2018, 03:21:51 PM »
Thanks! Sige, i'll go for it. Bahala na si batman ika nga. i'll try to record something and post it for discussion.

Re: ax8
Stock patches para saken is ayos na ayos, some tweak here and there for personal preference. Sounded great, at least for me.

Dialing tones naman, dun medyo naging madugo. Sabi nga ng marami, hindi user friendly ang on board interface ng ax8. Tweak cya by knobs and scrolling sa mala gameboy na screen. Mas madali buhay mo kung meron ka laptop para gamitin ung software to edit patches. E zero gear ako nun nagbalik guitar ako so  wala dn ako laptop. It was a learning curve, malaking curve!

Pero once u get the hang of it, maeenjoy mo na. I belive most modelers can sound almost alike depende sa pag tweak. Its just a matter of mastering your gear. E utol ko nga gamit old RP-500 ko nappa wow pa dn ako hehehe.


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haha, yung mga show band/variety band sa probinsya namen naka rp6 at 606 pa rin pero hanep yung tugtugan. Minsan nag jam ako gamit laptop lang, na amaze e.
iba nga naman ang technology.

goodluck sa recording chief, post ka ng demos then pag usapan naten!

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2018, 03:45:11 PM »
haha, yung mga show band/variety band sa probinsya namen naka rp6 at 606 pa rin pero hanep yung tugtugan. Minsan nag jam ako gamit laptop lang, na amaze e.
iba nga naman ang technology.

goodluck sa recording chief, post ka ng demos then pag usapan naten!

Thanks! Goodluck lang talaga saken hahaha! Will post.


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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 09:44:36 PM »
ok. Pano mag post ng video?  :? :-( :eek:
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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2018, 09:53:26 PM »
Glad to see someone starting out with home recording. It will only mean for you more playing and less gas for gear. Anyways, I'm a Focusrite 2i2 user. I used to mic my amp when recording but since I got married and had a kid, lumipat ako sa paggamit ng LePou stuff. So far so good for me naman. By the way, my recorded stuff right down there on my sig.

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2018, 10:09:10 PM »
Glad to see someone starting out with home recording. It will only mean for you more playing and less gas for gear. Anyways, I'm a Focusrite 2i2 user. I used to mic my amp when recording but since I got married and had a kid, lumipat ako sa paggamit ng LePou stuff. So far so good for me naman. By the way, my recorded stuff right down there on my sig.

Goodluck!

Ohh yup pala ung lepou! interesting!

NOt much of a gear gassing guy and mas worried ako sa ability ko to play so meron long ako is guitar, effects, computer and now this 2i4 interface. More practice and playing time and talagang mas kailangan ko  :cry:

btw, hanep ung song 19!  :mrgreen:
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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2018, 11:21:55 PM »
Glad to see someone starting out with home recording. It will only mean for you more playing and less gas for gear. Anyways, I'm a Focusrite 2i2 user. I used to mic my amp when recording but since I got married and had a kid, lumipat ako sa paggamit ng LePou stuff. So far so good for me naman. By the way, my recorded stuff right down there on my sig.

Goodluck!

2i2 din gamit ko. Pero di ko padin magaya yung "wall of dirt guitar chug chug awesomeness" ng mga record mo. Hahah :-P
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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2018, 11:27:40 PM »
2i2 din gamit ko. Pero di ko padin magaya yung "wall of dirt guitar chug chug awesomeness" ng mga record mo. Hahah :-P

Napapa head bang nga ako dito.  :mrgreen:

Hopefully si @boxedking mag bigay ng pointers :D tindi sir!
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2018, 11:38:09 PM »
Well, I just dial in my preferred settings sa amp sims (I use the Legion on the left and the Lecto on the right), load cab impulse (gamit ko yun marshall cab ni Fearcomplexmusic from YouTube), record 2 different tracks (one for left and one for the right channel) and try to record as tight as possible.

I use the preset guitar EQ of Reaper. Meron Marshall-esque and Fender-ish type of EQ presets. Then another usual EQ to clean up the unwanted bottom and high sizzles.

Try mo i-search si Frog Leap Studios sa YouTube. He has a lot of different approach in home recording.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2018, 11:47:45 PM »
Leap Frog Studios, subscribed.

Yung tracking 2 guitars L/R channel i hear a lot. Will definitely try pag natuto na.

Bigat ng mga recording ideas mo, nakaka buhay ng dugo mag aral mag record!
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 11:54:17 PM »
Basta pag may nagawa ka na, share mo lang dito.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 11:57:47 PM »
Will do. Salamat sa inputs!
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2018, 12:22:54 AM »
may video si boxedking na sumasayaw habang nag rerecord. gusto nyo din makita?  :lol: :lol:
Sa pinipig, bukod sa pwede mo singhutin, pwede mo rin tikman.

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Re: Help! Starting a guitar home recording rig
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2018, 02:12:59 AM »
Namimiss ko na ulit magrecord  :cry: :cry: :cry:
Focus muna sa mga bata kaya madalas acoustic guitar fiddler lang ako.

Scarlett 2i4 user here, I tried using amp sims but didn't get to work on it that much.
Reaper for DAW kasi it just works and for the price walang tatalo
Amp to interface ang binagsakan ko. Hahaha!

Amp > Load Box > CAB IR Loader > 2i4