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Author Topic: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?  (Read 18329 times)

Offline qroon

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #150 on: August 17, 2013, 03:16:58 AM »
imo its alright, as long as DECLARED, not that anyone would actually buy one  :wave:

My personal opinion on partscasters; Sell it as parts. Again that is a personal opinion, not an official opinion of mods.

+1. The concern comes when even the seller does not know whether or not the item s/he is selling is counterfeit/frankenstein/whatever. Not everyone one of us here are knowledgeable about the musical instruments we play. This is where the Classifieds watch team, the entire community and the "Report to Moderator" button comes in, I guess.

A question for the mods, what happens when a forumer hits the "Report to Moderator"/RTM button? I clicked it once earlier this week, and was satisfied to see the immediate result. I'm asking this with due recognizance of the effort the sellers make in posting their items. At para na rin masigurado kong hindi ako, bilang yun taong pinindot ang RTM button, nakaka-agrabyado.

As for the Report to Moderator button, we review, well, the reported posts. It's something akin to a ticketing system, there is a queue of reported posts and any moderators can act upon in (much like resolving a ticket). Once resolved/acted upon, we remove those reports from the queue.


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Offline jingo

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Re: Should we allow counterfeit items to be sold in the classifieds?
« Reply #151 on: August 22, 2013, 11:10:06 AM »
^ got it. Thanks!

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Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #152 on: March 02, 2014, 06:23:52 AM »
just saw this..

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=306392.0

titled as Gibson Les Paul "copy"...
ang pagkaintindi ko sa "copy" is same shape but different brand..
ang pagkaintindi ko sa "fake" same lahat pati brand and serial etc..

so pwede na pala magbenta ng mga ganyan dito sa philmusic?
28k pa ang asking

napag-isip lang  :)

Offline joel_marcelo

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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #153 on: March 02, 2014, 07:02:18 AM »
just saw this..

http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=306392.0

titled as Gibson Les Paul "copy"...
ang pagkaintindi ko sa "copy" is same shape but different brand..
ang pagkaintindi ko sa "fake" same lahat pati brand and serial etc..

so pwede na pala magbenta ng mga ganyan dito sa philmusic?
28k pa ang asking

napag-isip lang  :)
Next time bro "report to mod" mo na lang. Baka di pa lang nila nakita yan. I'm sure hindi pa din pwede magbenta ng fakes.

Offline robertshanepascual

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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #154 on: March 02, 2014, 07:20:33 AM »
Wohah! Ang dami nang ups tapos may unlocked remark pa ni IncX   :-o
just groove with it and everything will be allright...


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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #155 on: March 02, 2014, 07:26:43 AM »
Next time bro "report to mod" mo na lang. Baka di pa lang nila nakita yan. I'm sure hindi pa din pwede magbenta ng fakes.

Hi sir, done reporting to the mods :-)

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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #156 on: March 02, 2014, 07:38:00 AM »
Wohah! Ang dami nang ups tapos may unlocked remark pa ni IncX   :-o

lol

ninja si TS eh ... nagsimula sa FT: CIJ 72 Reissue Strat (Ash body)

tapos nag kagebunshin jutsu into a Gibson copy with matching decal. and yes, bawal pa rin ang copies and "redecaled" stuff

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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #157 on: March 02, 2014, 07:46:53 AM »
lol

ninja si TS eh ... nagsimula sa FT: CIJ 72 Reissue Strat (Ash body)

tapos nag kagebunshin jutsu into a Gibson copy with matching decal. and yes, bawal pa rin ang copies and "redecaled" stuff

Deceiving sa ts :-)

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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #158 on: March 02, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
Deleted ups. Not needed.
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Re: Pwde na pala magbenta ng "copy" or fake sa guitar classifieds?
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2014, 05:43:59 AM »
ang pagkaintindi ko sa "copy" is same shape but different brand..

Correct.

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ang pagkaintindi ko sa "fake" same lahat pati brand and serial etc..

A fake is ANY article bearing a trademark or brand without authorization.
Ang condom na may tatak ng Fender, fake Fender... kas wala naman
license na binigay ang Fender for those condoms to bear the brand.
 :-o


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Let's say you have a custom axe to (re)sell.
Let's say it's of a '63 Telecaster design for argument's sake.
No matter how faithfully it follows original design spec...

It cannot bear a Fender decal on it anywhere,
because Fender is a registered brand/trademark, and its owner hasn't approved
your guitar to receive said brand/trademark. You're better off leaving it without
a headstock (or other) decal, or using your own personal-design decal (mura lang
ang waterslide inkjet-paper).

It cannot be (re)sold as a "Telecaster",
kasi "Telecaster" is a registered trademark, and its owner hasn't approved
your guitar to bear that trademark. You're better off using terms like "Tele-style"
(which Fender still frowns upon, lol), or "T-style" in your FS ad.

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What if it's a build using 100% authentic Fender parts?
If the neck was purchased with a Fender decal on the headstock, then it stays:
it was, after all legally branded by Fender as a part, intended for assembly with
a bunch of ther parts. The build itself has not, however, actually been approved
to bear the "telecaster" trademark, so you're better off representing it honestly
as "Tele-style build using all-original Fender parts"

What if it's a build using 50% authentic Fender parts?
If the neck came with a legally-applied Fender decal, then it stays legally applied.
It's a "Tele-style build with original Fender neck, etc..."

What if it's a genuine Fender Telecaster with so much content replaced, leaving
only the neck (with headstock decal).? Sadly, it's still a "Fender Telecaster", and
it is up to the vendor to disclose how much of the original has been replaced.
Caveat emptor and all that. The bottom line is that the guitar started out as a
genuine Fender Telecaster... You can't try to slippery-slope this into buying a
genuine Tele and disassembling it into so many original parts to build so many
"original Fender Telecasters" from, because only the neck carries the brand ...
what are buyers going to look at, when you claim it's original, anyway?

While we're at it, Fender hasn't trademarked the Telecaster's body-design.
It has, however, trademarked the headstock-shape, so builders beware.
There's a reason SX, RJ, Greg Bennett, Stagg and a slew of other copiers have
had to use different headstock designs for their Tele-styles.


Fender guitars are overpriced/overrated, anyway.
Are you a player or a collector? You have to decide.
I'd rather commission a build (without Fender's trademarked decals or headstock
shape) from Rufo, Sison or any of the better local builders, para seguradong I get
the actual tone I want, but that's JM2 petot.