Do you have to look like what you play?

[daemonite]

Eto yung pinag-usapan namin ni sensei jp nung nagdrum talk kami sa yupanco (nyahaha, nakalusot kami sa mga dinosaur).

Bakit kunwari long hair ka like sensei or sissy boy look ka magtataka mga tao m\kapag iba tinutugtog mo.

meron pa yung sabi sa akin ni sensei na porke rock ka, parang underrated ka na drummer. parang pag kunwari hindi ka fusion or progressive or jazz trato sa yo underrated. being a drummer takes skill kasi hawak mo ang buong buhay ng banda. yes, may kanya-kanya tayong role na instruments pero still, we have the greatest load in playing. kelangan tayo ang pinakaprecise kasi pag tayo ang in-accurate, nawawala ang essence ng song.

Take this for example, yung pinagse-sessionan ko na show band, sabi ng ibang members magaling daw yung drummer nila kasi nakakapag double-peds. pero as i was observing his grooves and chops. taken na magaling nga sya, pero what's the use of being super fast and putting dped notes on the songs kung wala naman sa ayos ang mga pinag-sisiksikan nya sa mga skills nya. example, irreplaceable ni beyonce, why the hell na may double peds pa dun na tugugugugugudug? it's an r&b song, pero bakit may heavy rock essence sya?

i dunno, it maybe insecurity, pero kung ganon na rin lang ang magiging development and discipline ko as a drummer, better stick to basics na lang ako. at least, yung essence ng kanta andun pa rin.

in my opinion, hindi naman kelangan ipagmayabang yung skills mo sa showband kung mali pa rin ang paglalagyan mo sa mga ito. meron pa rin yung mga taong ayaw marinig ang umpog ng dpeds.

anyone can share a light about this matter?

[Diadem]

bro. madami akong kilala na ganyan ang approach sa music...

very busog sa lick mga songs nila... but thats okay..

sila un eh.. thats their style..

or maybe.. they got tired with that song kaya pinag tritripan nlang nila yung kanta.. or.. maybe its a challanged for them.. like.. how many lick can u fit in one riff?

or how fast can u put a dped groove in 56bpm?

mga ganun ba.. trip trip lng.. besides its just a set, not a recording

[daemonite]

pero paano yung mga taong prejudice na kapag rock drummer ka sasabihing laos ka? porke fusion sila or jazz or something....

[drumster]

Speaking of double bass licks on R&B songs, check out Sonny Emory and his live performances with Earth Wind & Fire.  He actually uses straight-ahead double bass licks on certain parts, and he applies it with taste and in a musical context.  Today's live R&B music is heavily influenced by fusion and Gospel music, that's why a lot of R&B drummers nowadays have opened that eclectic, exciting drumming style.

Actually, I also use double bass licks with our brand of R&B and hiphop music.     But I try to make sure that I'm not overdoing it, and it will fit the part.

Are we talking about physical appearance here?  If that's the case, it doesn't matter to me.  If the cat can play, then he/she can play.

It will probably matter if you're in a band or group where in a certain image is needed to be projected, for marketing/publicity and recall.  For example, I'm in an R&B/hiphop band, so we need to dress the part and project that kind of image.  In my case, I'm not really a natural hiphop guy, but I somehow make an effort to project that kind of image.  Besides, for me, what matters is that I'm able to credibly and effectively play the drumming style and feel of R&B/hiphop music.  I'm still working on it up to now.

Regarding that double bass thing...  I always believe that double bass can be used on various styles of music.  These are modern times, and somehow we should think out of the box.  I'm glad that double bass playing is no longer stereotyped with rock/heavy metal/thrash music.  We now see drummers who play mainstream music, yet they're able to somehow apply double bass.  And for me, that's a good thing.  It's part of the continuing evolution of the drumset, and the art of drumming.

As long as it's played with taste and musicality, it's alright for me.

And regarding the attitude... Like what I shared in the last mini-EB, our intentions as musicians/artists must be pure and without malice.  Never perform for your ego, or just to show off, or just to prove that you can do some crazy chops, and all those shallow reasons.  Play for the music, and for the love of it.  Music is not about competition.

[Diadem]

pero paano yung mga taong prejudice na kapag rock drummer ka sasabihing laos ka? porke fusion sila or jazz or something....

ay pare iba na yan... aawayin ko na sila...

trip mo yun.. they have to respect that! pag rock ka.. rock talga.. dun ka masaya eh..

there are things na ndi kaya gawin ng mga jazz drummers pag usapan ang rock...

although khit sabihin nila na rock drumming is the basic and fundamental aspect of all music... and jazz is one of the difficult genres that you can play.. for me.. there are both difficult.. they are just different...

kung baga sa rock .. dapat solid mga palo mo always consistent.. right on time..

sa jazz naman.. control.. etc softness.. mga chuvaness.. ganun.. still both are difficult to attain.. rock or jazz..

[Diadem]

As long as it's played with taste and musicality, it's alright for me.

correct!!!

[daemonite]

Thanks for the enlighenment bro drumster.

Dapat nga talaga dpeds must be done in good taste and timing, kaso yung sa kanya talaga wala eh  . Eto pa isang kanta - half crazy ng freestyle. I can understand siguro kung pasingit-singit or part ng fill ang pagpasok ng dpeds nya eh. kaso the thing is, he sometimes does it as a fill for the whole line of the song.

About the image thing, i'm talking about those people na nagmamagaling na wala naman alam sa drumming na nagsasabing "Ay, rock ka ba? hindi mo ba alam ang fusion / progressive / jazz?" Tapos bigla ang baba ng tingin sa yo. Nakakaasar mga taong ganon diba?

[drumster]

Actually, jazz is the mother of all modern styles of music.

About the Half Crazy example...  Ayan!  An example of what not to play.  We need to be sensitive to the song.

About those people who pigeonhole musicians into a specific genre...  I don't really care, and I won't let them bother me.  But if they do, I want to see and hear them play some music.  Show us what you got.   

[daemonite]

ang nakakatawa pa bro drumster, parang nagsho-showboat pa sya pag nakikita nya na andun ako.  tuloy, bubulungan ako nung manager ng band. di ko alam kung nananadya sya.

anyways, kapag nakakakita ako ng mga prejudice killjoys, tumatahimik na lang ako and i just show them kapag perform na kami.

ang ideals ko kasi is this:
di bale nang hindi magaling ang band individually, pero kapag nagperform sila, you'll be amazed with what they can do and let you hear. and number one is, you have to enjoy what you play, hindi lang basta tugtog pera. passion is important kasi it reflects on your performance.

[Diadem]

ang ideals ko kasi is this:
di bale nang hindi magaling ang band individually, pero kapag nagperform sila, you'll be amazed with what they can do and let you hear. and number one is, you have to enjoy what you play, hindi lang basta tugtog pera. passion is important kasi it reflects on your performance.

you guys are so correct.. MUAH!!!!

[bangbus]

sa jazz naman.. control.. etc softness.. mga chuvaness.. ganun..

i like ! ! ! 

About the image thing, i'm talking about those people na nagmamagaling na wala naman alam sa drumming na nagsasabing "Ay, rock ka ba? hindi mo ba alam ang fusion / progressive / jazz?" Tapos bigla ang baba ng tingin sa yo. Nakakaasar mga taong ganon diba?

ayyyy bro, the world is filled with those kind of close-minded morons, in all fields of activity, in all walks of life, dont let them get to you. nevertheless i find those types amusing and entertaining specially when they're really firm and convinced with their stand.

binibida lang nila comfort zone or 'product' nila. can they step out of it? maybe or maybe not. these are the sort of people who can't or have difficulties embracing change or innovation. it could be that they're basically afraid. kumbaga sa cellphone, nasa nokia communicator ka na, sila nasa easycall pagers pa rin.

and why step down to their level, as you said 'nagmamagaling na wala namang alam sa drumming'... if they can't bring it, shelve it. whats the use of keepin a conversation with those sort? don't waste your time. it's your passion, it's your craft. choose those who will influence you to do better, steer clear from those who will pull you down.

anyway dont let them get to you. isang araw makaka chamba din sya ng pikon, ayan gulpi ang abot nyan sigurado.

 

[tambuleros]

tama yun bro dapat mutual yung mararamdaman mo as a player/musician at yung mga audience mo dba kc dba tau mga musikero sumtyms may togs tau na dnaten feel pero hataw naman tau sa porma in d end of our jobs tau din magsuffer , miting nanaman c band lider kc d masaya tugtugan ang mahalaga laging nasa ryt track tau feel mo at ng kabandmates mo pareho ang togs nyo at napapasayaw nyo mga tao , kumita ang bar , masaya lahat dedma na ang outfit dba pogi points nalang naten sa mga chikababes yan dba hehe!

[rasta_gopz]

ang daming ganyan sir naiinis din ako sa ganyan

yung bang pag tutugtug sila eh parang hindi banda parang ang gusto nilang sumikat mag isa, kung ano ano na ang sinasalpak d naman bagay sa kanta tulad nga ng sabi mo R&B na churva kung mag dopeds
sa tingin ko d naman kailangan mag pasikat sa tugtugan para malaman ng tao na magaling ka wats important eh malinis at swabe ang kanta, be technical basta KAYA, MAGANDA , BAGAY at masasabayan ng kabanda mo
hindi yung inaapakan mo na lahat hehehehe

[mampupunit]

alam niyo d lang nangyayare yan specifically sa drummers. nangyayare yan sa musikero in general. ang lungkot isipin na may mga klase ng tao na ganun mag isip.

hassle at degrading. pero nde na naten maaalis sa tao yung ganyan eh.

pinakamagandang pambawi diyan eh maipakita mong mas bukas ang isipan mo.

[peeves24]

OT:



am i a metal drummer?

[drumster]

Oh yeah peeves!

Louie Bellson is the pioneer of the double bass drumkit setup.

[Gep]

Basta isipin niyo lang ang tatlong bagay na ito:

"In the end, it's all about the music"
"Stick it to the man!"
at saka
"Rakenrol!"

[Chopstix]

Take this for example, yung pinagse-sessionan ko na show band, sabi ng ibang members magaling daw yung drummer nila kasi nakakapag double-peds. pero as i was observing his grooves and chops. taken na magaling nga sya, pero what's the use of being super fast and putting dped notes on the songs kung wala naman sa ayos ang mga pinag-sisiksikan nya sa mga skills nya. example, irreplaceable ni beyonce, why the hell na may double peds pa dun na tugugugugugudug? it's an r&b song, pero bakit may heavy rock essence sya?

i dunno, it maybe insecurity, pero kung ganon na rin lang ang magiging development and discipline ko as a drummer, better stick to basics na lang ako. at least, yung essence ng kanta andun pa rin.

in my opinion, hindi naman kelangan ipagmayabang yung skills mo sa showband kung mali pa rin ang paglalagyan mo sa mga ito. meron pa rin yung mga taong ayaw marinig ang umpog ng dpeds.

anyone can share a light about this matter?

i can relate to what you're trying to say, talagang may mga ganung klaseng tao. i guess most of our friends here agree as well.

on the other hand, i would advise (unsolicited of course) not to compare yourself with them. kanya kanyang style sabi nga. some may like their style by putting ultra fast double bass in an R&B song and some like you or us may not. but try to be objective and not subjective. as what you've said, you don't know if its insecurity, but if you will compare yourself with them, it may sound like one.

pero paano yung mga taong prejudice na kapag rock drummer ka sasabihing laos ka? porke fusion sila or jazz or something....

it's a pity if they think that way and its a waste of time to entertain this kind of [gooey brown stuff].

just my 2 cents bro. 

[toybitz]

most Pinoy musicians, mostly non-drummers, moreover mga spectator and listeners, tend to believe that drummers are good if they play busily and incorporate a lot of chops.

when the fallacy creeps inside the mind of Pinoydrummer...boom!

that's why I'm so amazed with Vinne.

In the studio, he's laid back.  He grooves "creatively".

Then in live situations, he displays the chops but knows how limit it within the song.

Whew!  Idol!

One of my fave uncredited drummers is found in Mike Francis' live album.  Even his solo on Love A Day was simple yet busting with musicality...so "in" the song.  Any idea who played?

[toybitz]

OT

with regards to the thread title, I thought it was based on the drummer's appearance.

Like, if you're a metal drummer,...you have to look like JP.

If you're an RnB drummer, you've got to look like Anthony.

If you're a sissy drummer, you've got to look like Bitoy. 

[zound_tech]

hmmmmm.....
parehas po siguro tayo,

kc dati ganun pa ko magisip pag pumapalo,
parang competition,
tapos narealize ko panget pala,
tapos sinimplehan ko,
at nasiyahan naman ako 

pero,
sabi sakin ang lamya ko daw pumalo... 


kc meron kaming mga drummer na napapanood na kahit simple lang eh anlakas ng dating...
alam ko naman na di pa ko ganun kagaling at matututunan ko din yun,
pero sa ngayon stick muna ko sa simpleng palo kesa madaming licks...
sana makasama na ko sa eb para matuto naman!
 

[lil.drummerboy]

ayos ang thread na to. maraming salamat:) madami ako natutunan.

[Diadem]

well bsta wag lng magpadala sa mga ganyang klaseng tao... yun lng... you dont to prove any ideas of proof that youre right or wrong... just proove it to yourself na mature ka ang you know what is best!!! 

sa jazz naman.. control.. etc softness.. mga chuvaness.. ganun..

i like ! ! ! 

About the image thing, i'm talking about those people na nagmamagaling na wala naman alam sa drumming na nagsasabing "Ay, rock ka ba? hindi mo ba alam ang fusion / progressive / jazz?" Tapos bigla ang baba ng tingin sa yo. Nakakaasar mga taong ganon diba?

ayyyy bro, the world is filled with those kind of close-minded morons, in all fields of activity, in all walks of life, dont let them get to you. nevertheless i find those types amusing and entertaining specially when they're really firm and convinced with their stand.

binibida lang nila comfort zone or 'product' nila. can they step out of it? maybe or maybe not. these are the sort of people who can't or have difficulties embracing change or innovation. it could be that they're basically afraid. kumbaga sa cellphone, nasa nokia communicator ka na, sila nasa easycall pagers pa rin.

and why step down to their level, as you said 'nagmamagaling na wala namang alam sa drumming'... if they can't bring it, shelve it. whats the use of keepin a conversation with those sort? don't waste your time. it's your passion, it's your craft. choose those who will influence you to do better, steer clear from those who will pull you down.

anyway dont let them get to you. isang araw makaka chamba din sya ng pikon, ayan gulpi ang abot nyan sigurado.

 

self na kaya mo...

[pyong_2]

about sa question na "Do you have to look like what you play?" ano ba appearance o papano ka magperform, kasi yung look di na importante kasi fashion na pinaguussapan or trend lalo na kung fashionista ka or paiba iba ng porma o kaya parang pag malamig dapat naka jacket pag mainit mag hubad ka kung maaari para lang maging komportable tayo. Yung performance siguro kailangan o mas ok kung akma sa music, nakakatulong pa sa tingin ko, if youre playing rock dapat rock ang galaw mo to help you sound rock, love song dapat kalmado ka di ba & so on & so on......hope na nakatulong ako...GodBless

[daemonite]

three parts ang topic na to

1. Description ng physical appearance natin - like kunwari si sensei jp, kapag tumugtog ng latin naninibago ang ibang tao. Parang stereotype eh, porke long hair dapat rock na.

2. Performance - Bakit kung minsan, porke rock ka, underrated ka like "Ay, di ka marunong ng fusion / progressive / jazz? (sabay isnab sa yo)

3. Performance part 2 - porke may dpeds ka, kelangan mo pasukan ang 1 line ng song na puro dpeds?

Yun lang po. Kasi nung nagdrum talk kami ni sensei jp, eto mga bumagabag sa utak ko. Andami ko agad napansin simula nung umuwi ako. hehehe. Sana mas maraming drum talk pa pagbalik ko ng manila sensei!