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Offline pedge22

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #125 on: February 04, 2011, 10:19:20 AM »
OT: Sir Eirol_99 kayo po ba si Richard Lim?  :-)

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #126 on: February 04, 2011, 02:27:07 PM »
OT: Sir Eirol_99 kayo po ba si Richard Lim?  :-)

no sir. di po ako dealer, distributor or anything connected with a company selling and manufacturing pro audio equipments, end user lang po, both branded and china made pro audio products... and also diy. hehehe.

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #127 on: February 04, 2011, 02:47:27 PM »
no sir. di po ako dealer, distributor or anything connected with a company selling and manufacturing pro audio equipments, end user lang po, both branded and china made pro audio products... and also diy. hehehe.

GanYan dapat dt0 b0z. AnG mga supplieRs dapAt nasa "Classifieds: Pr0 Audi0 Gear". Opini0n k0 lanG naman.  :-D

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2011, 03:41:19 PM »
no sir. di po ako dealer, distributor or anything connected with a company selling and manufacturing pro audio equipments, end user lang po, both branded and china made pro audio products... and also diy. hehehe.

Ahh ok po. Naalala ko lang yung link sa Facebook na post mo 2nd page of this thread, it was Richard Lim's account. I actually added him as a friend(in FB) at nagkataon habang ine-explore ko yung pics nya nakita ko na sa kanya pala ako bumili last year ng Crell amp, processors, etc.  :-)

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2011, 03:47:38 PM »
Ahh ok po. Naalala ko lang yung link sa Facebook na post mo 2nd page of this thread, it was Richard Lim's account. I actually added him as a friend(in FB) at nagkataon habang ine-explore ko yung pics nya nakita ko na sa kanya pala ako bumili last year ng Crell amp, processors, etc.  :-)

 ah ic, may nag comment ata na friend ko sa FB sa mga pics nya at dun ko na nakita yung crell amp stacks sir. ayan na naman crell na naman, baka sabihin endorser ako ng crell dito..  :-D :-D :-D


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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #130 on: February 04, 2011, 04:27:58 PM »
Ahh ok po. Anyways back to our topic. san na ba si mr. ultimate?  :-D :lol:

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #131 on: February 04, 2011, 06:46:36 PM »
Ahh ok po. Anyways back to our topic. san na ba si mr. ultimate?  :-D :lol:

HaH?!...wala na si Mr. Ultimate?! (parang keyboard at mic stand yun ah)...

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #132 on: February 04, 2011, 08:05:09 PM »
Hindi ganun kadali yung tina-tackle na issue nyo dito Mr. Ultimate...as in pooping up a cover will give you a quick right guess on how brute an amplifier will be...if i were in your shoes i will stand corrected.

There may be a quick way to get how much an amp can do...by using a simple AC VOM, a DC digital VOM, a Tone Generator (a software can do) and a Dummy load (Resistive Load).

Since very expensive ang R loads in High Wattage...I use to make nicrome wire heaters cut them to get 8Ω,4Ω,2Ω...you need ceramic beads to insulate them. (DONT TOUCH HOT)

The above can do rough presumption how much amp can do at various frequency.

AC meter to get max ACout, DC meter to get DCout...

but, if you really want to be more accurate you'll need a Scope, RMS meter in addition...

Now you can get your:
1.Frequency Responce
2.Amplifier Gain
3.THD and IMD
4.Continuous Full Power Bandwidth
5.1kHz Power Sweep vs Distortion
6.Dynamic Power
7.Signal to Noise Ratio
8.Crosstalk
9.Amplifier Output Impedance
10.Damping Factor

The above will be a tedious task and very hard without a precision tool like AP APx585 HDMI.

Magandang araw,
jojo

 

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2011, 08:12:59 PM »
+100 sir jojo
audio precision workbench the best, most or nearly all branded amps manufacturer, pro audio or home audio may have it on their labs...

bakit tahimik ka noon sir jojo? para di na sana umabot kay sir tony si mr ultimate. di masyado "OUCH" sana,  :-D :-D

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2011, 08:25:13 PM »
+100 sir jojo
audio precision workbench the best, most or nearly all branded amps manufacturer, pro audio or home audio may have it on their labs...

bakit tahimik ka noon sir jojo? para di na sana umabot kay sir tony si mr ultimate. di masyado "OUCH" sana,  :-D :-D

nag-lalagare ako ng kahoy di ba?...hehehe...anyway ang hirap din pumasok sa Philmusik laging "Server not found".

Have fun...
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2011, 09:31:42 PM »
Wag niyo akong husgahan hindi niyo alam kung saan ako nang galing  hindi niyo alam ang background kung ilan amps na diy ang nagawa ko para sa mobile ang alam niyo lang nag promote ako nang live anong masama ba kung mag promote ako kanyang kang paniniwala kung ayaw niyo irespeto ang ang pananao wag nalang kayong mang insulto
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #136 on: February 05, 2011, 03:23:01 AM »
Wag niyo akong husgahan hindi niyo alam kung saan ako nang galing  hindi niyo alam ang background kung ilan amps na diy ang nagawa ko para sa mobile ang alam niyo lang nag promote ako nang live anong masama ba kung mag promote ako kanyang kang paniniwala kung ayaw niyo irespeto ang ang pananao wag nalang kayong mang insulto

                       

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #137 on: February 05, 2011, 06:42:51 AM »
hala nag aaway na eheehehe. back to the topic para hindi ot.

ano nga ba maganda crell or sound standard? i have a crell before CA20 pero nabenta na, when i was a kid and starting my kid hobby on any electronics parts my father bought me an Atua solid state amplifier. He modify it and its sounds great. Did anyone here own an Atua SS amp.?


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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #138 on: February 05, 2011, 07:39:31 AM »
Sir barracks alam niyo ba saan ginaya ang brand ng crell check this out www.krellonline.com this is a high hi brand ok amp its very expensive.

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #139 on: February 05, 2011, 07:50:24 AM »
ang mga kano kasi sa china nila pinagagawa yung mga designs nila.....kaya nga dahil me transfer of technology, maraming clones ang naglabasan, panalo dito ang mga consumers na tulad natin........ :-D

noong early 70's sa japan nila pinagagawa yung mga marantz, fisher, etc....

as ussual nabypass na naman ang pinas.... :evil:

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #140 on: February 05, 2011, 08:17:26 AM »
ang mga kano kasi sa china nila pinagagawa yung mga designs nila.....kaya nga dahil me transfer of technology, maraming clones ang naglabasan, panalo dito ang mga consumers na tulad natin........ :-D

noong early 70's sa japan nila pinagagawa yung mga marantz, fisher, etc....

as ussual nabypass na naman ang pinas.... :evil:

yes sir Leoman... kadalasan kasi sa china pumupunta ang mga US companies...
in terms of manpower,mura ang labor, harworking and efficient  and walang union strike...
in terms of infrastructure naman... marami silang highways and skyways kaya mas mabllis rin ang delivery time nila...
kadalasan dyan bumibili ang mga china company ng original na US brand tapos pina pa copy nila yun, may slight modification para maging mura
before it was Japan then Taiwan now sa China na in a few years i think pupunta na sa ibang bansa tulad ng Vietnam dahil presently tumataas na rin mga sahod ang mga china laborers .... and pine pressure ngayon ng US na taasan ang value ng china money RMB.

 
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #141 on: February 05, 2011, 10:14:30 AM »
yes sir Leoman... kadalasan kasi sa china pumupunta ang mga US companies...
in terms of manpower,mura ang labor, harworking and efficient  and walang union strike...
in terms of infrastructure naman... marami silang highways and skyways kaya mas mabllis rin ang delivery time nila...
kadalasan dyan bumibili ang mga china company ng original na US brand tapos pina pa copy nila yun, may slight modification para maging mura
before it was Japan then Taiwan now sa China na in a few years i think pupunta na sa ibang bansa tulad ng Vietnam dahil presently tumataas na rin mga sahod ang mga china laborers .... and pine pressure ngayon ng US na taasan ang value ng china money RMB.

 


+100 correct..

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #142 on: February 05, 2011, 08:14:21 PM »
yes sir Leoman... kadalasan kasi sa china pumupunta ang mga US companies...
in terms of manpower,mura ang labor, harworking and efficient  and walang union strike...
in terms of infrastructure naman... marami silang highways and skyways kaya mas mabllis rin ang delivery time nila...
kadalasan dyan bumibili ang mga china company ng original na US brand tapos pina pa copy nila yun, may slight modification para maging mura
before it was Japan then Taiwan now sa China na in a few years i think pupunta na sa ibang bansa tulad ng Vietnam dahil presently tumataas na rin mga sahod ang mga china laborers .... and pine pressure ngayon ng US na taasan ang value ng china money RMB.

 
TAMA KA DYAN BRAD PERO IBA PA DIN KAPAG ANG COMPANY TULAD NG CROWN AT QSC ANG NAG-IIMPLEMENT NG "QUALITY CONTROL STANDARDS".  GINAGAWANG ASSEMBLY LINE LANG ANG LUGAR SA CHINA DAHIL MURA LANG ANG LABOR DOON.

ANG CRELL NAMAN AT ANG LIVE POWERAMP SIGURADO AKO NA GENERIC LANG YAN NA KOPYA KOPYA AT HINDI TOTALLY MAGAGAYA ANG TECHNOLOGY NG MGA BRANDED AMPS .  KWENTO NGA NG KAIBIGAN NAMIN NA SEAMAN NA HINDI PASADO YUNG MGA "PURE CHINA DESIGNS" SA EUROPE KAHIT MURA. 

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #143 on: February 05, 2011, 09:59:16 PM »
kahit kopya nila part by part at same calibration, but more inferior electronic components used = murang product = unreliable product. sa capacitors nila madali lomobo. less robust ang toroidal trafos nila. and some have too high power supply voltages na maliit na lang margin nila sa ginamit na power trannies. sometimes kahit branded na made or assembled in china may mga assembly faults din, mixer namin may extra screw, napunta sa smps niya, kaboom!!!

parang sa motorsiklo din, dami china, kopya sa branded, pero di naman makatakbo ng matulin, malakas ang vibration, at di long lasting lalo na pag dragster driver..

pero ok na rin china products, di na ako magmemention ng brand,  :-D  2 china brands gamit namin na amps, so far di pa naman nanira ng speaker namin, di pa naman nag overheat, di namin sya load ng 2 ohms, di namin sya pinagclip, pero pinangdradrag race din namin minsan, hehehe. dragrace lang ha, hindi indy 500... :lol:
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #144 on: February 06, 2011, 10:38:21 AM »

Yes sir max... Pag purely china design amplifier di binibili ng mga European and US company....kadalasan gusto nila yung branded copy  ng MC2, Lab Gruppen, QSC,Crest Audio etc.. Ang mga US and european companies gusto nila  digital amplifiers... Mas magaan and easier to set up... Mas mabenta sa kanila yun kaysa toroidal amplifier...
Maraming amplifier company sa china... May mga malalaki, medium size and small companies... Marami rin klase model ng amplifier depende sa budget gusto mo. Pwede ka gawan ng mamahalin and mumurahin na amplifier... Same watts pero ang materials dun nagkakatalo... Syempre pag mura, mura components ibibigay... Ganoon din ang mahal... Class A rin ang parts
Syempre pipiliin ng mga importers na pasok sa budget sa atin... Pag yung class A kasi mahal na halos price na ng branded... Tayo as consumer pipiliin syempre ang branded Kung di nagkakalayo ang price...
 

  
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #145 on: February 07, 2011, 08:45:18 AM »
Wag niyo akong husgahan hindi niyo alam kung saan ako nang galing  hindi niyo alam ang background kung ilan amps na diy ang nagawa ko para sa mobile ang alam niyo lang nag promote ako nang live anong masama ba kung mag promote ako kanyang kang paniniwala kung ayaw niyo irespeto ang ang pananao wag nalang kayong mang insulto

mr ultimate, you remind me of the time when i was new to amp builing, so hindi kita pwedeng husgahan.....meron akong friend na mahusay magbuo ng mga tube amps, kahit walang kaharap na schematic nakakabuo siya, at magandang tumunog yung mga gawa nya......yung nga lang pag tinanong mo sya tungkol sa kung paano nagtatrabaho yung mga piyesa, wala syang maisagot......pero kung tanungin mo sya kung anong mga piyesa ang mainam na gamitin, hindi dya maubusan ng masasabi......

para sa akin kailangan hindi lang alam mo kung paano pagkabit kabitin yung mga piyesa, dapat alam mo ang mga dahilan kung bakit at paano gumagana yung mga piyesa....

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #146 on: February 07, 2011, 10:03:21 AM »
Well as far as i know ang orig na ''CA" amps ay gawa po ng ''Crest Audio''... Imitated but not equaled.. IMHO...  :-)
Your correct the original CA series if from Crest Audio mismo tingnan nyo na lang sa initial C for crest and A for audio.
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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #147 on: February 07, 2011, 03:37:57 PM »
No, di gawa/OEM ng soundstandard ang crell. malayo performance nila. crell kasi nag dc out. karamihan ng small factory sa china ginagaya ang soundstandard then yun mga business men dito sa pinas/UK naglalagay ng sariling brand. ni di mo  makikita sa exibit sa ibang bansa ang crell,

eto official website ng soundstandard. http://www.saeaudio.com/products_detail.aspx?id=9&zhu=4  sila ang original na CA series.


sir try nyo rin po FAMOUSOUND AMPS. mas modelo at hi end kesa sound standard, gawa rin ng SAE.

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #148 on: February 25, 2011, 01:37:11 PM »
Sino po ba ang dealer ng Soundstandard dito sa pinas at magkano kaya ang CA20 nila?

BTS TRADING na ang distributor ng Soundstandard dito sa pinas 2156465 , 09178949274. CA20 45k srp.

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Re: Crell CA-20 vs. Soundstandard CA-20
« Reply #149 on: February 25, 2011, 02:09:42 PM »
BTS TRADING na ang distributor ng Soundstandard dito sa pinas 2156465 , 09178949274. CA20 45k srp.

sir tatlong product po ang gawa ng sae china, isa na dito ang soundstandard, lexon and famousound. soundstandard po ang entry level nila, pwede nyo po i check sa website ng sae...


BASSHEAD MARKETING po ang exclusive distributor ng famousound.......
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