First Time Gear Buyer Questions Here!

[Riff_6603]

sir riff... yung mga metal crash ba malakas yun?? may naka post na paiste alpha metal crash sa classified ads, ok kaya yung ganun? thanks

yup! and kung pasok naman sa budget eh jackpot na yan!

[caramel328]

hi! saan po kaya pwede pang makabili ng hi hat cymbal seat? Meron kasi sa Lazer, di nag fit sa rod. Sa JB at Perfect Pitch wala daw sila.

[otepandrew]

sir ask ko lang po nakabili kasi ako ng yamaha ng single peds eh san ba makakabili nung dulo nya beater ung nabili ko kasing peds bilog na foam lang ung dulo nya eh

[mrsticky]

Mga sir, ask ko lang po ang opinions nyo (please be open).

gusto ko po kasi bumili ng drumset either 2nd hand or brand new kaso pinagiisipan ko lang..... kasi may nagustuhan ako brand new and 2nd hand.. so my question is... WHICH is WHICH???

brand new:
Gretsch black hawk series
18k+(50% off sa jb) complete hardware set no cymbals, no throne and I think isa lang ang cymbal stnad na kasama. Right?

2nd hand
sonor 1005 series
I saw the pics and its in good condition.
Includes 2 meinl cymbals (16" crash and 14" hats) 1 ZBT ride cymbal 20" (from the looks of the picture faded na ung logo). May stock na cymbals pa ata.
Tama snare ambassador(heads) (kaso di nya naindicate kung anu, pero its stainless)
All drum heads are Lazer except the snare (which is really not a problem at all)
Included lahat ng hardwares pati throne
18k price

My considerations:

My budget as of now is 18k+ so buying the gretsch would make me wait for another ipon to buy cymbals and 1 more cymbal stand. Of course brand new saya so mataas ang resale value nya in the future.

Buying the sonor 1005 series would be enough for my budget, its a complete set. but of course mababa na ang resale value in the near future and the series is a little ancient (may sonor 3007 na kasi dba).

I'm a good drummer so far but not yet great. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST DRUM SET.

So WHICH is WHICH?

Thank you guys in advance. I'll appreciate any comments.

[ris4892]

Mga sir, ask ko lang po ang opinions nyo (please be open).

gusto ko po kasi bumili ng drumset either 2nd hand or brand new kaso pinagiisipan ko lang..... kasi may nagustuhan ako brand new and 2nd hand.. so my question is... WHICH is WHICH???

brand new:
Gretsch black hawk series
18k+(50% off sa jb) complete hardware set no cymbals, no throne and I think isa lang ang cymbal stnad na kasama. Right?

2nd hand
sonor 1005 series
I saw the pics and its in good condition.
Includes 2 meinl cymbals (16" crash and 14" hats) 1 ZBT ride cymbal 20" (from the looks of the picture faded na ung logo). May stock na cymbals pa ata.
Tama snare ambassador(heads) (kaso di nya naindicate kung anu, pero its stainless)
All drum heads are Lazer except the snare (which is really not a problem at all)
Included lahat ng hardwares pati throne
18k price

My considerations:

My budget as of now is 18k+ so buying the gretsch would make me wait for another ipon to buy cymbals and 1 more cymbal stand. Of course brand new saya so mataas ang resale value nya in the future.

Buying the sonor 1005 series would be enough for my budget, its a complete set. but of course mababa na ang resale value in the near future and the series is a little ancient (may sonor 3007 na kasi dba).

I'm a good drummer so far but not yet great. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST DRUM SET.

So WHICH is WHICH?

Thank you guys in advance. I'll appreciate any comments.

sa mga choices mo, yung sonor dahil kumpleto na. hindi magandang mag drums nang walang cymbals [parang ati atihan lang] meron nang dalawang stand. throne.

comment ko lang [8 months palang akong nag da drums]:
bili ka muna ng murang drum set, cymbals, hardware, etc [pamraktis lang]
tapos pag professional" kana bili kana ng mga professional series drum kits.

gagamitin mo ba sa gig /recording o sa bahay lang?

[mrsticky]

sa mga choices mo, yung sonor dahil kumpleto na. hindi magandang mag drums nang walang cymbals [parang ati atihan lang] meron nang dalawang stand. throne.

comment ko lang [8 months palang akong nag da drums]:
bili ka muna ng murang drum set, cymbals, hardware, etc [pamraktis lang]
tapos pag professional" kana bili kana ng mga professional series drum kits.

gagamitin mo ba sa gig /recording o sa bahay lang?

Sir thanks sa reply. actually for hobby purposes lang tlga, sa bahay lang, but who knows diba bka magkaron ng banda magka gig. but mainly for bahay lang.

[jobo_ph]

My take on mrsticky's predicament...

Based on your post... "good drummer"... "hobby"... "home use"...

If you're not too impatient and you'll be into this "hobby" in the long run, I'd highly suggest you wait, save more money and buy a NEW MID-LEVEL drum set (along the lines of Tama Silverstar, Gretsch Catalina, Pearl VBX).

I'm just the kind of person that places a lot of importance on quality and value, most especially if it is an activity I love to do and will be in it long term. It follows, I'll spend more and I buy something with no plans to resell.

For me, first kit should be new and what I really want and I'm the first to tinker around and handle it. It is simply more satisfying that way. You'll also be the one making history with and taking care of it.

[dreddurius]

My take on mrsticky's predicament...

Based on your post... "good drummer"... "hobby"... "home use"...

If you're not too impatient and you'll be into this "hobby" in the long run, I'd highly suggest you wait, save more money and buy a NEW MID-LEVEL drum set (along the lines of Tama Silverstar, Gretsch Catalina, Pearl VBX).

I'm just the kind of person that places a lot of importance on quality and value, most especially if it is an activity I love to do and will be in it long term. It follows, I'll spend more and I buy something with no plans to resell.

For me, first kit should be new and what I really want and I'm the first to tinker around and handle it. It is simply more satisfying that way. You'll also be the one making history with and taking care of it.

Over 9,000+ for this ^^,

[jckazs]

Good advice. Pero ok lang din ako kung hindi brand new. Meron naman ok condition na 2nd hand.
Bilin mo na gusto mo kung palagay mo magtatagal ka sa hobby na to. kung magmadali ka, at kukuha ka ng masmababang model sa gusto mo, sigurado ilang bwan pa lang bebenta mo din yan at maguupgrade ka...in the long run mas malaki pa magagastos mo. Tiis na lang habang nagiipon. Lalong magiging fulfilling pagnakuha mo na yung gusto mo talaga.

puede din bilin mo isa isa. Since kulang pa budget mo, prioritize mo yung item na kakasya pera...cymbals, snare...etc

My take on mrsticky's predicament...

Based on your post... "good drummer"... "hobby"... "home use"...

If you're not too impatient and you'll be into this "hobby" in the long run, I'd highly suggest you wait, save more money and buy a NEW MID-LEVEL drum set (along the lines of Tama Silverstar, Gretsch Catalina, Pearl VBX).

I'm just the kind of person that places a lot of importance on quality and value, most especially if it is an activity I love to do and will be in it long term. It follows, I'll spend more and I buy something with no plans to resell.

For me, first kit should be new and what I really want and I'm the first to tinker around and handle it. It is simply more satisfying that way. You'll also be the one making history with and taking care of it.

[ris4892]

hello to everyone!

gusto ko lamang pong malaman ang experience ninyo sa mga cymbal line na ito:

Planet Z , Sabian B8 , Stagg SH, ZBT

balak ko nang bumili ng cymbals
beginner lang po ako (8months of home drumming)

Planet Z - Pangit po ba yung sound?
Sabian B8 - Nayuyupi ba and edge?
Stagg SH - ano po ba ang masasabi ninyo sa sound? [mayroon kasi akong nakitang SH rock hi hat yung center hole chipped na]
ZBT - mayroon kasi akong nakitang picture walang crack pero ang daming yupi ng edge

[pedaldeaf3]

Planet Z - Pangit po ba yung sound?
Sabian B8 - Nayuyupi ba and edge?

Planet Z, di ko trip yung tunog, mas mabilis mag-dent or mayupi & di siya pang matagalan...
Sabian B8, 2yrs ko nang nagamit di pa nayuyupi, great sound, pangmatagalan but be careful of possible keyholes...

[mokie]

hello to everyone!

gusto ko lamang pong malaman ang experience ninyo sa mga cymbal line na ito:

Planet Z , Sabian B8 , Stagg SH, ZBT

balak ko nang bumili ng cymbals
beginner lang po ako (8months of home drumming)

Planet Z - Pangit po ba yung sound?
Sabian B8 - Nayuyupi ba and edge?
Stagg SH - ano po ba ang masasabi ninyo sa sound? [mayroon kasi akong nakitang SH rock hi hat yung center hole chipped na]
ZBT - mayroon kasi akong nakitang picture walang crack pero ang daming yupi ng edge

Bro magkano ba budget mo?

[mrsticky]

Good advice. Pero ok lang din ako kung hindi brand new. Meron naman ok condition na 2nd hand.
Bilin mo na gusto mo kung palagay mo magtatagal ka sa hobby na to. kung magmadali ka, at kukuha ka ng masmababang model sa gusto mo, sigurado ilang bwan pa lang bebenta mo din yan at maguupgrade ka...in the long run mas malaki pa magagastos mo. Tiis na lang habang nagiipon. Lalong magiging fulfilling pagnakuha mo na yung gusto mo talaga.

puede din bilin mo isa isa. Since kulang pa budget mo, prioritize mo yung item na kakasya pera...cymbals, snare...etc

so u r saying that maybe I should go buy the first option (Gretsch Black hawk series)? Thanks po jckazs and jobo_ph.
so I have different opinions na. haha! as for the patience, its a bit of a problem. I think everyone has experienced this, parang every night huna-hunt ako ng drumset until mabili ko sya. hahaha!

so what do you say about my 2 option drumset:
Gretsch blackhawk series
sonor 1005 series (2nd hand)

thanks again guys!

[plitipiw40315]

so u r saying that maybe I should go buy the first option (Gretsch Black hawk series)? Thanks po jckazs and jobo_ph.
so I have different opinions na. haha! as for the patience, its a bit of a problem. I think everyone has experienced this, parang every night huna-hunt ako ng drumset until mabili ko sya.

Advice ko bro para mejo humaba ang patience mo, lage kang tumingen ng pics o vids ng mga choices mong drumset sa net, oh lage mong bisitahin sa music store pag free time mo, pag ganun kasi mejo magsasawa ka.hehe, 

[jobo_ph]

so u r saying that maybe I should go buy the first option (Gretsch Black hawk series)? Thanks po jckazs and jobo_ph.
so I have different opinions na. haha! as for the patience, its a bit of a problem. I think everyone has experienced this, parang every night huna-hunt ako ng drumset until mabili ko sya. hahaha!

so what do you say about my 2 option drumset:
Gretsch blackhawk series
sonor 1005 series (2nd hand)

thanks again guys!

I COMPLETELY AND FULLY understand and KNOW how it feels that patience can be a problem...

It took me 3 years before I could buy my Tama Silverstar kit and XS20 cymbal set... how did I try to become patient? I deliberately tried to forget about it (not visiting Tama's website, not visiting Philmusic, avoiding music stores, putting more of my mind at work and home/family and other stuff/hobby) until my savings started to near their mark... In the end, it's ALL WORTH THE WAIT because I got what I really wanted.

Now, I don't really need to test my patience of waiting even if I will be eyeing high-end cymbals within the next 2 years. I already have something good enough to practice and play on.

[plitipiw40315]

I COMPLETELY AND FULLY understand and KNOW how it feels that patience can be a problem...

It took me 3 years before I could buy my Tama Silverstar kit and XS20 cymbal set... how did I try to become patient? I deliberately tried to forget about it (not visiting Tama's website, not visiting Philmusic, avoiding music stores, putting more of my mind at work and home/family and other stuff/hobby) until my savings started to near their mark... In the end, it's ALL WORTH THE WAIT because I got what I really wanted.

Now, I don't really need to test my patience of waiting even if I will be eyeing high-end cymbals within the next 2 years. I already have something good enough to practice and play on.

mukhang magkaiba tayo ng approach bro eh..hehe, pero it worked for me na laging patingen tingen sa net ng drumsets na pangarap ko, another advantage is you can also research on the pros and cons ng trip mong drumset.

OT: @ jobo_ph nosebleed ako sa pagbabasa ng mga post mo.hehehe

[jobo_ph]

mukhang magkaiba tayo ng approach bro eh..hehe, pero it worked for me na laging patingen tingen sa net ng drumsets na pangarap ko, another advantage is you can also research on the pros and cons ng trip mong drumset.

OT: @ jobo_ph nosebleed ako sa pagbabasa ng mga post mo.hehehe

Haha, eto tissue, pre! Hehe! Biro lang

Oo, magkaiba nga, dre. Para lalo maguluhan si mrsticky! Haha!

Three or so years ago, subsob din ako sa research tungkol sa drum sets... Pearl, Gretsch, at Tama... before ako nag-decide na Tama ang gusto ko... then malalaman mo ang cost  ... hindi madali... kaya tumigil at umiwas muna talaga ako kasi kung hindi, masisira ang ulo ko sa inip... 

[jckazs]

Glad to help. Was in a similar situation a few years ago. Ngayon dami ko na napagdaanan na gear. in the process, medyo malaki din nagastos / nasayang ko. As jobo said, kung kaya mo maghintay, papagipunan mo na lang mid level kit, or better, pro level kit.

Pero if i had to choose between sonor force 1005 o black hawk, black hawk na ko. Madami magagaling dito sa forum na naka black hawk. Thing to consider, minsan at that price point medyo madaming features ang wala compared to mid-level kits such as catalina, silverstar etc. Kadalasan inferior ang hardware, type of wood, craftsmanship. 

so u r saying that maybe I should go buy the first option (Gretsch Black hawk series)? Thanks po jckazs and jobo_ph.
so I have different opinions na. haha! as for the patience, its a bit of a problem. I think everyone has experienced this, parang every night huna-hunt ako ng drumset until mabili ko sya. hahaha!

so what do you say about my 2 option drumset:
Gretsch blackhawk series
sonor 1005 series (2nd hand)

thanks again guys!

[mrsticky]

@jobo_ph yeah, I figured out na naguluhan lalo ako sa opinions mo. haha! We're on the opposite side, I usually walk across the festival mall going in and out of the place where I work, so I really can't avoid looking over and over again on the drum sets. Even though parang nasusuka ako sa sobrang excitement, it gives me a lot of inspiration para makuha ko yung mga un some other time (maybe after a 2nd hand or if lucky I can buy those already).

@plitipiw40315 ang problem is ung isang nireresearch ko na drum set is an old series na konti na lang tlga ung reviews kaya di ko sya tlga mareresearch ng todo.

@jckazs its no problem for me if I lose some cash in the process of upgrading/reselling/experimenting gears (not that I'm rich) but I think "you can charge it to experience". kasi if ever iisipin mo na may nasayang kang pera, ok lang dahil nagamit mo pa rin naman. Maybe we can never be fully contented diba?

Black hawk ay entry level kit right? so if I'm going to buy that, maybe then I will still replace it after some time right? (maybe 3-4 yrs)

[jckazs]

Yup, considered entry level. Pero if you're happy with how it sounds at matibay naman, baka hindi kailangan magpalit. Good point. Though magastos magupgrade, masaya naman. More exposure to different types of gear, in the process malalaman mo din yung hinahanap mo talaga.

@jobo_ph yeah, I figured out na naguluhan lalo ako sa opinions mo. haha! We're on the opposite side, I usually walk across the festival mall going in and out of the place where I work, so I really can't avoid looking over and over again on the drum sets. Even though parang nasusuka ako sa sobrang excitement, it gives me a lot of inspiration para makuha ko yung mga un some other time (maybe after a 2nd hand or if lucky I can buy those already).

@plitipiw40315 ang problem is ung isang nireresearch ko na drum set is an old series na konti na lang tlga ung reviews kaya di ko sya tlga mareresearch ng todo.

@jckazs its no problem for me if I lose some cash in the process of upgrading/reselling/experimenting gears (not that I'm rich) but I think "you can charge it to experience". kasi if ever iisipin mo na may nasayang kang pera, ok lang dahil nagamit mo pa rin naman. Maybe we can never be fully contented diba?

Black hawk ay entry level kit right? so if I'm going to buy that, maybe then I will still replace it after some time right? (maybe 3-4 yrs)

[mrsticky]

sirs how about ludwig accent series? any feedback on that? thanks!

[godisjudge]

sirs how about ludwig accent series? any feedback on that? thanks!

Sa church namin ludwig accent series gamit.
Pwede na yung shells for its price.
Design is almost generic like. Single braced hardwares, Snare,hi-hats and straight cymbal stand.

If you plan on buying now and already thinking that you will change it in 3-4 years. For me, mas ok to wait until all you have sufficient funds to buy what you really want. Or maybe wait ng good sale, To purchase a decent/mid-end kit at a very low price. And tipong pagkabili mo is enjoy/satisfied ka at most, walang what if ito sana nabili ko or ayun. Well that's just me.

[mrsticky]

hahaha thanks sir Godisjudge. patience is a virtue! (hiraaaaaaaaaaaap!)

[godisjudge]

hahaha thanks sir Godisjudge. patience is a virtue! (hiraaaaaaaaaaaap!)

Tama, Lalo na sa gears. hehe

[_dax_]

I agree. Patience is a virtue. I learned that the hard way but experience is the best teacher. so win win pa rin.