Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread

[bulok]

padelete na lang kung may ganitong topic na pero ngayon kasi nagbabalak na ako magrecord ng drums sa bahay.. ano ba masa-suggest nyo na gear for tight budget guy like me? at paano ba ang setup? mic - mixer/audio interface - laptop? ok na ba yan?

[inigo]

Given a tight budget...

No. of mics:
2 mic setup: Kick & overhead
3 mic setup: Kick, snare, & overhead
4 or more mic setup: Kick, snare, one for each tom, 1 or more overhead, 1 or more room mics.
(Depende na kung ano kailangan mo, or kung magkano ang budget)

Kind of mics:
Samson, Nady, or CAD drum mic sets are cheap at 5k to 15k (second-hand). If generic mics are your budget, get dynamic mics, which are about 500 each.
Where to buy... Samson, sa Audiophile. I'm not sure about the others. Call Lazer, JB, Music Source, and Lyric, to ask.

Mixer/audio interface:
Get an audio interface, which most often already have mixer functions that you need (e.g., gain knob).
Firewire is preferred, pero since tight budget ka, USB na lang.
- 2 mic audio interface: M-Audio Fast Track Pro is new at 14k, second hand for as low as 7k.
- 3-8 mic audio interface: maraming options, but to give you a short list:
(1) 2nd hand MOTU or Presonus interfaces sometimes show up in the classifieds. Say, 10-15k
(3) Alesis MultiMix 8 USB. Second hand for less than 10k.
(2) get an M-Audio Fast Track pro and a cheap mixer (costs about 5k new for 4-channels sa Raon stores). You will record more than 2 mics, pero you will only be able to edit 2. So, you should test the levels and mic placement before you record.

Computer:
Basta may USB port or Firewire port. Match your audio interface with what computer you already have.

I hope this can help you start. Marami ring available articles and forums in the net, basta matiyaga ka lang maghanap at magbasa.

[inigo]

By the way...

... For overhead mics, get a large-diaphragm condenser. May Samson, Nady, or Behringer na 3-4k ata (second-hand).
... Also factor in the cost of mic cables and stands.

[bulok]

By the way...

... For overhead mics, get a large-diaphragm condenser. May Samson, Nady, or Behringer na 3-4k ata (second-hand).
... Also factor in the cost of mic cables and stands.

salamat!

[otepandrew]

sir medyo low budjet po kasi ako ngayon eh pero ok lang po ba ung JTS na brand ng drum mic? medyo may kamahalan kasi ang shure e

[inigo]

sir medyo low budjet po kasi ako ngayon eh pero ok lang po ba ung JTS na brand ng drum mic? medyo may kamahalan kasi ang shure e

Wala akong experience sa JTS, pero sige go lang! (kesa naman wala ka nang gagamitin diba? hehehe).

Yun nga lang, chineck ko online prices, parang mas mura pa rin ang Samson or Nady mics than JTS.

[bulok]

saan ba merong nady mic? at anung audio usb interface na mura pero ok ang quality na kaya ang mga 4mics?ok ba yung peavey pv8?

[mokie]

mga sir, mas ok ba yung audix fusion mics kaysa sa Samson mics?

[peeves24]

mga sir, mas ok ba yung audix fusion mics kaysa sa Samson mics?

na compare ko yung audix F series sa samson Q series - di ko madistinguish. go with samson, mas mura pero pareho lang tunog

[mokie]

na compare ko yung audix F series sa samson Q series - di ko madistinguish. go with samson, mas mura pero pareho lang tunog

ok sir, thanks!
problema lang wala pang stock yung channel.com.ph ngayon. 

[dreendroid]

Matagal ng ganto ang recording setup ko. Sagad lang sa mixing sa Cubase at sa Mixer; Mostly sagad sa treble and controlled ang  mids. Walang overheads. 5 mics lang in total: Snare, tom, tom, floor tom, kick. Nagbbleed un cymbals sa tom mics. Dynamic mics lang lahat un tig 300 sa Astrovision. hahaha magandang share lang experiment ko lang kase to dati hanggat sa nagustuhan ko rin.

Check it out in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp

[peeves24]

may superlux mics na din sa lazer. dumadami na cheaps mics dito.

Matagal ng ganto ang recording setup ko. Sagad lang sa mixing sa Cubase at sa Mixer; Mostly sagad sa treble and controlled ang  mids. Walang overheads. 5 mics lang in total: Snare, tom, tom, floor tom, kick. Nagbbleed un cymbals sa tom mics. Dynamic mics lang lahat un tig 300 sa Astrovision. hahaha magandang share lang experiment ko lang kase to dati hanggat sa nagustuhan ko rin.

Check it out in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp

dude, you can improve your kick drum sound. bili ka ng samson qkick. hindi kasi kaya macapture ng karaoke mics yung lows ng kick drum kaya walang oomph yung tunog

[metaura]

Sir peeves magkano po srp ng superlux?

[otepandrew]

Wala akong experience sa JTS, pero sige go lang! (kesa naman wala ka nang gagamitin diba? hehehe).

Yun nga lang, chineck ko online prices, parang mas mura pa rin ang Samson or Nady mics than JTS.

ah ok ok baka mas ok ung JTS kasi mas mahal eh minsan kasi ganon un eh kaya mas mahal kasi mas maganda pumick up ung mic na un "JTS"

[davecampos]

Tanong lang po. Mas okay po ba na bumili na lang ako ng M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8R kaysa yung Soundcraft EFX8 Mixer + Behringer RCA (Audio Interface)?

[peeves24]

depends.

mag live sound ka ba? if yes get the efx8. talo ka dito kasi walang multitrack recording.

sa bahay ka lang ba at magrerecord? get the m-audio. talo ka dito sa live kasi magdadala ka pa pc/laptop para magamit

[davecampos]

depends.

mag live sound ka ba? if yes get the efx8. talo ka dito kasi walang multitrack recording.

sa bahay ka lang ba at magrerecord? get the m-audio. talo ka dito sa live kasi magdadala ka pa pc/laptop para magamit

Ahh, sa bahay lang naman ako magrecord. Last na tanong po, anong advantage/s ng multitrack recorder? At tska pag bbili ako ng drum mics, mas ok ba yung drum mic package or kahit 2 overhead + 1 snare + 1 bass mic na lang?

[peeves24]

kapag soundcraft + behri rca binili mo, stereo signal na lang yung pupunta sa pc kaya kapag pangit ang pagkakatimpla mo sa mixer or pagkasetup mo ng mic, wala ka na magagawa para ayusin yung timpla mo sa pc. sa multitrack, syempre bawat instrumento na may mic e narerecord sa sarili nyang channel. magkakaron ka ng 8 signals na pwedeng itweak sa pc yung tunog.

kung m-audio bibilin mo e di gamitin mo lahat ng inputs, bilin mo na yung set. wag mo na tipirin sa oh+snare+kick lang.

[davecampos]

kapag soundcraft + behri rca binili mo, stereo signal na lang yung pupunta sa pc kaya kapag pangit ang pagkakatimpla mo sa mixer or pagkasetup mo ng mic, wala ka na magagawa para ayusin yung timpla mo sa pc. sa multitrack, syempre bawat instrumento na may mic e narerecord sa sarili nyang channel. magkakaron ka ng 8 signals na pwedeng itweak sa pc yung tunog.

kung m-audio bibilin mo e di gamitin mo lahat ng inputs, bilin mo na yung set. wag mo na tipirin sa oh+snare+kick lang.

ahhh, salamat sa advice sir. ipon2 na ng pera haha

[s2ry0fdyr]

Hello guys,

Has anyone tried MXL drum kit for recording?

http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/Kits/Studio-Drum/

Any reviews here..

Tnx

[musicianurse28]

Mga sir, I'm considering in investing on drum mics since I'm quite satisfied na with my drum set up. Gusto ko naman tahakin ang madugong landas ng Drum Recordings..

Meron po akong Mackie 402V-LZ3 mixer. 4 channels lang siya.


Balak ko sanang 2 condensers, 1 for kick, and 1 for snare ang pag-gagamitan neto.
I'm thinking of using a pair of Behringer C-2 for overheads, Shure SM57 for snare, and I don't know yet for the kick. Anyway, pwede kaya itong balak ko para sa mixer ko?

Tsaka ano pa po ba ang kakailanganin pa bukod sa hiwalay na cost ng cables and stands/clips for mics?

For home use lang naman para malaman kung ano pang kailangan ko i-improve sa sarili ko. From the mixer, balak ko rin sana i-connect sa video recorder. Thanks

[peeves24]

err 2 mic channels lang yan. san mo isasaksak yung 2 other mics?

buy superlux condensers sa lazer instead of behringer c2. kick drum mic, samson qkick pinakamura

pero kung gusto mo lang irecord practice, iphone/ipad/android will do. bili ka ng zoom h1 kung gusto mo better quality, eto na yung best compromise sa sound at price. syempre yung ibang portable stereo recorders mas mahal na dyan.

[musicianurse28]

err 2 mic channels lang yan. san mo isasaksak yung 2 other mics?

buy superlux condensers sa lazer instead of behringer c2. kick drum mic, samson qkick pinakamura

pero kung gusto mo lang irecord practice, iphone/ipad/android will do. bili ka ng zoom h1 kung gusto mo better quality, eto na yung best compromise sa sound at price. syempre yung ibang portable stereo recorders mas mahal na dyan.

Sir yung sa Kick isasaksak ko sa Line 1, yung Snare sa Line 2 naman. Yung 2 condensers naman Line 3 and 4, sa baba po ng Main Out na saksakan. Tama po ba? Pwede naman po ata eh. 

[s2ry0fdyr]

I realize that you can get a good drum sound with just 2 OH mic, then use drum trigger for kick-snare-toms -> plug directly to the audio interface. (No need for drum module)
Insert plug-ins like drumagog or steven slate to the triggered audio file.
Eq the overhead mics .-high pass filter

[peeves24]

Sir yung sa Kick isasaksak ko sa Line 1, yung Snare sa Line 2 naman. Yung 2 condensers naman Line 3 and 4, sa baba po ng Main Out na saksakan. Tama po ba? Pwede naman po ata eh. 

no

1. condensers need phantom power, walang phantom power ang line in 3 and 4
2. line in and mic in have different voltage requirements and impedance levels

pero kung gusto mo, sa channels 1 and 2 yung overhead at sa 3 and 4 yung kick at snare. make sure lang na short cables lang gagamitin mo sa 3 and 4. the reason why hindi advisable ang mic isaksak sa line in a maaamplify masyado yung noise at kung mahaba yung cable mo, it will act as antenna so you will receive more noise and even radio stations.