YUNG MGA ARTISTA ANG BILIS MAGKA ALBUM, ARE THEY HELPING?

[BassCog]

hey, chill...
but isn't that almost the same thing, man?

not arguing about what you said - pareho tayo halos ng pag-iisip, though I guess the idea of it being okay to whine is still very sensitive to me - in the sense that it should be used as a last resort talaga.

[seyer]

haha.. yeah i remember and also diether ocampo my banda... ...

oh g . i remember this guy being boo'd in his " rock show" because he called the crowd jologs. haha muntik natong gulpihin ng mga punk. haha! to lucky may mga bouncer dun na bayad to protect him. well i think the greatest help is that they generate jobs for people who help them with their albums. parang show up lang sila. too bad the people behind their sound usually are not really being recognized, samanatalang sila tlga ung utak behind the letters and notes ng music. 

[ninejuicyjulius]

^haha. summer slam. 

[HACHI]

pota tlaga ser....di naman nila naiisip un....2lad ni april boy?....kung binigay nlng sana nila un slot nila sa mga bandang mas my talentong gumawa ng kanta kesa sa kanila edi mas ok p sana....edi maligaya ang lahat ng banda nyan........sa tingin mo ser?....

[SCREWER]

korek ka jan! ndi na naiisip...wala pang mga tenga..mas lalo nilalason yung utak ng masa..eh kung mag fund raising nalang sana sila para satin ayos pa!! ...
mas malalim yung idea ng mga artist na hindi napapansin...dahil wala lang recording budget..   ang sarap isipin kung ang masa at mga squatter makaka appreciate lahat ng genre....diba? pati taong grasa makikinig ng jazz   
..if you know what i mean...tataas yung level ng music industry kung mabilis mabigyan ng oppurtunity ang mga tunay na artists...

[Helmet]

Tama...

Hindi na na-po-promote yung talent...

Do you think dahil sa cool ang mga nagba-banda eh nakikisabay na sila? (Siguro nga part na rin yun)

[SCREWER]

exactly....pa cool din sila..they don't realize that they look unnatural and dumb..

[Helmet]

Movie talents, or even TV talents, couldn't stick to their specialization kaya naha-hatak yung quality produced pababa. Kunyari, movie talents would just focus on acting, then it's possible for the movie industry to produce a top calibre film. Same with music artists, more chances of exposure would be available.

Ang ginagawa kasi kung may bago kang movie or tv show, pag-ge-guesting-in ka tapos sasayaw ka o kakanta. Tapos magkaka-album. Nak ng tokwa. Lahat na lang may "the album".

[lowtuneduser]

hayy..

[teban]

in my opinion, these stupid celebrititties are not helping... but we have to consider a lot of factors. our history, economic situaton, education, government, culture, geography, colonial mentality, and many other things that plays a role towards progress. one person cannot change that. change will only happen if all of us wanted to change. i have so many things to say but i don't even know where to start. the main problem is our mentality, it is not poverty, like a lot of people believe. i will tell you a story, a guy would say this to me before "gusto ko sana maging musician pero wala lang akong pambili ng instrumento" i lend him my guitar, ok he is happy for a while... next thing. "may gitara na nga ako pero wala akong teacher"  i'll say come to me every weekend and ill teach you everything i know for free. then he wouldn't show up. next thing would be "gusto ko ng music pero ang busy ko na talaga" and so on... all excuses. you hear that everyday... it is part of our culture. another story, i met a guy who has a talent on fixing guitars... he comes to me and say, " i really wanna pursue guitar making i just don't have the money for equipment" i said "this guy has talent i should help him out".. i said "ill make you my industrial partner"... ill buy the equipment you need to build guitars and lets sell it.. we agreed... the next thing i know... he sold all the equipment to buy drugs... idiot. i have more of these stories but it will take me years to write it all down. therefore, a noble music producer won't change a thing. even if we annihilate all these posers nothing will happen.
for me, our country is not conducive to music, arts, business and everything. we are all hopeless unless we all change. we have so many problems and only a few people wants to fix it... everyone just laughs about it. no one takes things seriously, everyone chooses the easy way out. and people who knows better are either too proud or deprived to share their knowledge. we are all guilty.

[insultedgamer]

In my opinion, nakakatulong sila sa industriya. Dahil sa tuwing gagawa sila ng album ay kumukuha sila ng mga trabahador. Sa ganung paraan marami ang nagkakaroon ng trabaho. Mas busy ang industry, mas kakailanganin ng tao.
Nababawasan din ang numero ng mga jobless.   

At dahil nga sikat sila, yung mga fans nila na walang hilig sa music ay nahihila nila.
Which means dagdag supporters sa music industry. Pwede rin maging stepping stone ito ng mga fans nila sa pagiging mahilig sa musika or maging simula nila sa pag-eexplore sa music. Or they could be a good musician, who knows? 

[BassCog]

One solution is: make music. and keep on making music. forget the artists - that's they're thing. do what you can as a musician. If you're a listener, then listen to only what you like. buy the music you like. go to the performances of people you like.

[SCREWER]

thanks teban, that's a better exlplanation...Idea ko lang I wish we could have like a tv show about these kind of stuffs where everyone including celebrities can check out and give their opinions..i guess it will be constructive in  a way..
or maybe Philmusic can provide a TV ad that will encourage all artists including the so-called artists to join..at least they will be reminded...hindi naman nila naiisip ang mga ganitong reklamo eh..

I created this thread just to count people who are aware and concerned about our industry..para sakin kasi kung pwede pang magawan ng solution,at least dito sa forum nailalabas ko..at least we have time to think and observe about it...yung iba namang selfish, porket anjan na..they always think that.."wala kanang magagawa kasi anjan na yan"..eh pano kung meron pa...di ok...magsisimula ang aking pag aaklas sa forum na to...haha..jok..

[markv]

I don't know about you guys, pero mas kaya ko pa yatang tanggapin ito. Wag lang talaga Boy Abunda... wala na sa lugar yan!

[teban]

to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale. you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces. try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time. there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music. now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap! maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions! ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.
but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market. what a boring scene... i'll just sleep till someone great pops out. i'd rather support the filipino traditional musicians than these wannabes in the market now.

[kaimohto]

to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale. you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces. try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time. there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music. now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap! maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions! ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.
but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market. what a boring scene... i'll just sleep till someone great pops out. i'd rather support the filipino traditional musicians than these wannabes in the market now.

hear hear!!!!!!
dumadami na posers... celebrities na nga yung most sa kanila!

[insultedgamer]

to the people who say that they are helping, you are only looking at it in a very small scale.

Is this statement of yours pertaining to all of us? I'm one of them, I think I have to defend my opinion because you are already directing to, not exactly me. I don't think I am looking into it in a very small scale as you said.

you don't know the impact of these celebrities in provinces.

And where did you get that information? Did you based it on our posts?

try to see this picture ... i grew up in a small town, there's only tv and radio. not much choice when it comes to entertainment.. pros: simple laid back life much focus on meaningful things. cons: less exposure.. but that's alright coz we had great bookstores, one yupangco store, good local cuisines no franchise fast junk food. we had everything we need. when i got bored with tv and wanted to learn more... i took books, cds, cassettes, vinyl records, guitar, cooking with my mom as a past time.

So, this is your situation in your province. Is everyone in your province experiencing the same for you to say that you KNOW the impact of the celebrities in the provinces. Judging an "IMPACT" by using a one man's experience?

there were indian sellers here with enough collection of great music... beatles, hendrix, steely dan, led zeppelin, dire straits, zappa etc. there was a market for that... it was a healthy scene for art and music.

Ok

now it is gone! im back in my hometown and it doesn't feel like home anymore... it's totally destroyed by media. you know why? i go to a cd store, what do i get? artista crap albums and american trash, i go to a bookstore, artista magazines, fhm, crap!

For you and your generation, Beatles, Hendrix, Steely Dan, Led Zeppelin, Dire Straits, Zappa etc. is good music. How about the others and the generation today? Those "Artista Crap Albums" (As you call it) could be the great music for them. I agree with you about the Artista Magazines, but FHM is not a crap. It's even opening people's mind about one's sexuality, educational. Those  "Crap" things for you could be the great things for them.

maybe if you live in manila, it's an advantage, coz you might get hired. but how many good musicians and sound engineers get hired? around 10 to 30? how many young musicians are influenced by stupid celebrities nationwide? millions!

Ten to thirthy people being hired is a very big help to the industry and economy today. Ok, let's say it's not big but it is still a help. Let me remind you that the title asks those albums are helping. So, yes they are. How can you say that those celebrities are stupid? Let me remind you again that there are other people. The one that you're calling stupid could be someone great to them.

ever wondered why a lot of good musicians before come from provinces? coz they had great teachers. now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing. so the great teachers lost their jobs... they flew to manila or just went abroad to make a living. that market was destroyed by media.

Ok sige, they have good teachers and they also have artists that they look up to. Dun sa sinabi mo na "now kids look up to celebrities who can't even act or sing". Do you mean that looking up to someone is also considering as their teacher? Ang pinag-uusapan natin ay yung mga artista na mabilis magka-album, ngayon, sinong artista ang may album na hindi marunong kumanta at hindi marunong umarte? Again, it is not destroyed because it is something new that could be something great to some people.

but again even if we erase artistas from the picture, i still don't think it would make much of a difference, our level of musicianship is not yet that high due to a lot of factors. colonial mentality, no support from the government, geography... class consciousness, dialect barriers, regional differences, etc... but these could be good sources of inspiration, it's a shame no one writes songs about them. reality, rape, child labor, politics, social awareness, world issues, in a deeper sense. or maybe someone does he just doesn't have a market.

On this one, I AGREE with you. Ang lupet. Meron ngang kanta yung Datu's Tribe, naiingit daw sila sa ibang artists kasi nagagawa nilang kumanta ng kantang pang crush at pang syota. (Sa lyrics yun eh). Habang nakabaon pa rin yung mga katotohanan.

Sir Teban, ,I am not saying that I am absolutely right and I am not saying that you are wrong. Sorry sa kawalang respeto at SALAMAT na din sa kaalaman. PEACE SIR TEBAN 

[teban]

i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.

[digitalcyco]

long post ahead:

the industry is about money and selling albums. plain and simple.

artists who make albums generate jobs and income for engineers, A&R's, the labels etc etc.... if it werent for them...... or if the majors relied heavily on bands and singers alone they would have long gone bankrupt. sa piracy pa lang talo na sila. they need to find a way to at least recoup the costs.

they need to sell.

so if a label sells enough to make a profit, it would be a positive thing for our industry as it keeps the industry itself alive.

the artistas cater to a different audience. the masa audience.

for us who are born into rock, of course we look down upon them.

but we are just looking at the music industry (in this thread) from one point of view.... we did not take into account their point of view.

no one can absolutely say band A is more deserving of an album than band B. each of us have our own benchmarks.

let the artistas be. they keep MyX, MTV, the local radio stations, the masa, and the labels alive.

we are just part of another aspect of the music industry. what happens if we took the pop artists out of the equation? Who will take the place of pop when we take away the pop artists? should we be then watching COG playing on SOP with the hosts or Death by Stereo hosting ASAP?

imagine a scenario where there is no britney spears and all we have are slayer and deicide on the radio. (wouldnt it be fun if we had pop artists to pick on? hehehe)

and about bands, I have a band. we have been struggling for the past several years trying to get our music heard. but as a metal band, its an uphill struggle.

to hell with majors, we can always go indie and shove a finger up their ***.

[BassCog]

+1000 on that.

The music industry is precisely that - an industry. It will have to cater to what buyers want. And if people who are at the back end of the industry are making money because of these "bad artists", then good. It's hard to have no money nowadays.

[insultedgamer]

i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.

Sir Teban, kung ang definition mo ng poser na artista ay "they don't sing what they mean". E'di hindi lang ang mga artistang may album ang mga poser sa mundo. Napakarami. Kaya sa tingin ko, hindi. At saka bumibili ka lang pala ng album dahil nagsasabi yung artist ng gusto nya talagang sabihin at hindi dahil sa na-appreciate mo yung music?


Sir Teban, I guess we have to cut this conversation because we are already going out of the topic. BTW, the thread is just asking if these "Artista na mabilis magka-album" are helping. So they simply are.  PEACE. 

long post ahead:

the industry is about money and selling albums. plain and simple.

artists who make albums generate jobs and income for engineers, A&R's, the labels etc etc.... if it werent for them...... or if the majors relied heavily on bands and singers alone they would have long gone bankrupt. sa piracy pa lang talo na sila. they need to find a way to at least recoup the costs.

they need to sell.

so if a label sells enough to make a profit, it would be a positive thing for our industry as it keeps the industry itself alive.

the artistas cater to a different audience. the masa audience.

for us who are born into rock, of course we look down upon them.

but we are just looking at the music industry (in this thread) from one point of view.... we did not take into account their point of view.

no one can absolutely say band A is more deserving of an album than band B. each of us have our own benchmarks.

let the artistas be. they keep MyX, MTV, the local radio stations, the masa, and the labels alive.

we are just part of another aspect of the music industry. what happens if we took the pop artists out of the equation? Who will take the place of pop when we take away the pop artists? should we be then watching COG playing on SOP with the hosts or Death by Stereo hosting ASAP?

imagine a scenario where there is no britney spears and all we have are slayer and deicide on the radio. (wouldnt it be fun if we had pop artists to pick on? hehehe)

and about bands, I have a band. we have been struggling for the past several years trying to get our music heard. but as a metal band, its an uphill struggle.

to hell with majors, we can always go indie and shove a finger up their ***.

Tama, idagdag mo pa to sa mga sinabi ko sa first post ko, talaga ngang nakakatulong. 

[SCREWER]

i am not right either... but there should be conviction in expressing one's opinion otherwise writing in this forum would be pointless. PEACE.
going back to artista... poser silang lahat coz they don't mean what they sing... if they would make an honest song that goes like this "andito ako sa tv para lokohin ang masa, at turuan ko ang mga bata na tumingin na lang sa akin at kalimutan na ang pagbabasa" i will definitely buy their album. or if willie would make a song like. "sige pa mga tao, sumali kayo sa wowowee para manalo ng isang milyon! habang ako ay nanalo ng isang daang milyon." i will promote that album. what is the procedure to join a tv show? first you have to buy products from their sponsors, 20 sachets of brand X shampoo.. brand X shampoo paid lets say 50 million to the station to advertise their product. 10 million people bought 20 sachets each because they wanna be in the show. 5 pesos per sachet. 5x20= 100 x 10 million people = 1 billion. that is how much they earn that is why they could afford to give away 3 million a day. not including the profits of their brainwashing albums. that is why in my opinion they are not helping. music is a very strong weapon, if put into the wrong hands it could destroy minds... the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb but richer. i have a lot to say about these celebs and politics but it will take me years.. i will write a book and many songs to reveal everything that is happening here and leave the country before i get killed. nah it's not worth my life, no one would listen to my songs anyway coz i'm not a celebrity.

well said...yung iba kasi dito baka kamag-anak ng artista.. ...that's right, the poor gets dumber and poorer and the rich are still dumb...importante din yung value ng music...

[rjdelrosario]

Hi guys.. Just saw this topic floating by hehe... As a musician and an industry practitioner, here's my opinion (peace):

Artistas and Musicians alike are ALL part of showbiz or the entertainment industry. The music industry is a subset of that industry.

SHOW-BUSINESS has 2 components:
1. The "Show" side.
2. The "Business" side.

If you'd ask me if the "artistas" help, yes they do... But mostly on the "BUSINESS" side. Recording labels and the like will always cater to a market that is always willing to buy products (albums). It can't be denied that the "artistas" are always marketable". This may subjective for anyone, but believe me, THEY ALL ARE. A good example would be Michael V's album featuring the song "Hindi Ako Gay" (the intended word for gay was filtered out by this forum). That my friends, sold approx. 15,000 copies (original of course XD) just w/in 2 weeks.

PIRACY is the number one problem here. The market intended for bands and other artists are shrinking because of the said phenomenon. Meaning, there is no more "business sense" for recording companies in this aspect.

My point? The artistas help maintain the "Business" side of SHOWBUSINESS and of course this is the most important component of the two and it is what keeps MYX, MTV, SonyBMG, EMI, Universal, etc. alive and far from the risk of bankruptcy. Its just good business.

For the "SHOW" side, the artistas may POSSIBLY NOT contribute to the development to MY LEVEL OF MUSICAL ARTISTRY, OR YOURS, OR ANYBODY ELSE's, but at least they help maintain and hold the industry just in time for other artists or musicians like ourselves to try our luck when our time comes.

My answer to this thread's question is... YES.

Peace out! This is just my opinion.. No offense intended.

[SCREWER]

thanks for that RJ...
I'm so disappointed and bitter about this...jok!!

sa thread na to, anything goes...just express your opinions..
ky michael v oks lang talented naman talaga sya eh and down to earth...pero kung sina gretchen baretto..I'd like to puke... plastik sila eh! 

sana naman sa mga artista na walang talent kumanta..wag na sana sumabak sa
music at magka album kasi nawawalan ng value at quality and music...kawawa naman yung masa..wala ng bago sa kanila..pwde naman sila tumulong sa ibang paraan...sa mga foundations nalang dun sila bagay kumanta..I agree that they're helping in business side...but behind that...i guess it's meaningless..it's fake...most of them are just earning too much in faking people..."I hate actors, they don't act like people"-Holden Caulfield "The catcher in the rye" 

[digitalcyco]

pero dude, "plastic" artists are everywhere.... in almost every genre you can think of.

We have punk bands who hype up the punk trend, spoonfeeding kids with sugary coated punk forgetting the actual activism of punk

We have black metal bands with all the satanic extravaganza and blood drinking on stage just to keep the vibe going and sell records, not realizing that its more of a racial issue than religous to gullible kids who think its cool.

We have reggae bands who would go Marley all over the place just to sell records, not realizing the fact that reggae is a revolution music.

these are just examples.

man im not trying to offend anyone here, but any other way we put it, it doesnt matter if artista sila or not.

Artista or not, horrible or no talent at all.... they are still ARTISTS and as a fellow artist I give credit to it, no matter how cliche it may sound.

We should respect artists as they are. No matter how horrible they may sing or musically degenarative it might become in the future.

I agree with the OP point of view in one way or another.

Artista or not, we should respect them as they are fellow artists. There really is no point in being crabby about it. Just let them be. If you're a good artist, in no time of course you will be noticed.

It doesnt matter how great an artist or band is, if you dont actually get your butt moving and find yourself gigs and spend money recording demos, you are not going anywhere in this industry.

The old "band-gets-discovered-in-a-bar-by-a-label" is a thing of the past. Sa dami ng magagaling na banda ngayon, its really up to the artis to fight their way for those few coveted slots.

Peace lng bro.... my two cents. \m/