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Offline ciro

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The Official Sabian VS. Zildjian Thread
« on: August 03, 2006, 07:22:11 PM »
Plano ko bumili cymbals

I cant choose kung sabian aa or zildjian a's

so ano mas maganda/matibay?

gusto ko long sustain dark sounding

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Offline Eni

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2006, 09:28:34 PM »
A or AA is not what ur looking for.
they are bright cymbals.
sabian AA is cheaper than zildjian A
quality = the same. cant go wrong wit em.

for dark,
get HH,HHX,K,Kcustom.

or

AAX dark, A customs.

go to yer local store bring ur stick and start banging cymbals.then choose.

Offline Eni

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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2006, 09:29:28 PM »
i forgot, for longer sustain, get bigger crashes.
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Offline jun_BALARAW

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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2006, 10:27:35 PM »
Quote from: Eni
A or AA is not what ur looking for.
they are bright cymbals.
sabian AA is cheaper than zildjian A
quality = the same. cant go wrong wit em.

for dark,
get HH,HHX,K,Kcustom.

or

AAX dark, A customs.

go to yer local store bring ur stick and start banging cymbals.then choose.

tamang tama si sir eni.
pagisipan mo na lang kung mag sabian ka o zildjian. pero kahit ano sa dalawa wala kang talo men!
mas na inlove lang talaga ako sa sabian. depende sa drummer yan
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Offline vinoyarey

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 04:03:25 PM »
that's what zildjian said,that a's are brighter sounding than k's, k custom etc. but i have an a thin crash which sounds darker than my k custom dark crash. both are size 18,for me you really have to hear it personally :wink:


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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 04:59:18 PM »
Para darker ang cymbal mo, dapat bigger, thinner, at randomly hammered.

So para sa crashes, ang pinaka-extreme na dark e 19" K Thin Dark Crash at 19" K Custom Dark Crash. Sila rin ang may matagal na sustain dahil sa size.

Kung A ang habol mo, pero dark, 18" Thin Crash o bigger.

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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2006, 06:17:01 PM »
i agree with gep sa bigger and thinner,obviously bigger and thinner means lower pitch. pero parang duda ko sa random hammering nbasa ko ksa sa ibang forum marketing ploy lang daw ng zildjian un. not sure though. chek nyo ung cymbalholic.com ska groovologist.com may mga marunong mag hammer ng cymbals. and i beliv they know wat they are talking about. meron dun zbt ata un kayang gawing 2nog K! sana meron din d2 marunong mag hand hammer

Offline Eni

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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2006, 06:27:06 PM »
zbt lacks body (beefy sound), and sheet cymbals un. kahit na gawin mong thin.mabibitin ka lng. good for jazz though IMO

gep is correct.
random hammering = darker and full bodied.
symmetrical hammering = even blend of overtones,execelent projection quality,brighter.

Offline ciro

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2006, 06:34:31 PM »
thanx bros... but w/c has a darker sound? AA or A's? ung same size and thickness... Ive read the paiste handbook and it cover everything u need to know about how the cymbal sound works... galing na booklet yun!

the thing is i havent compared AA's & A's side by side, eh mahal ang K's eh so A's lang or AA's...

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Offline vinoyarey

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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2006, 11:23:43 PM »
hindi nya ginawang thin hinammer nya. i dnt know why zildjian cant make a good sound out of b8. paiste used b8 alloy pero ganda ng tunog

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Offline Miggleness

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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2006, 09:47:04 AM »
hmm.. neither are dark. they're not too bright but they're still on the bright side of teh spectrum.

Di pa ako nakakarinig ng AA kaya I cannot comment on those. Meron akong A crash and its very bright compared to my K crash.

Offline ushuaia

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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2006, 11:48:31 AM »
vinoyarey- panalo ung link! misleading tlaga ang zildjian,ung iba ksi mabasa lng sa magazine ng ziljian na random hammerring=etc nani2wala agad. prand dti ung first gen ng k cons hand hammered daw and sounds like old ks to justify their high prices! we all know its not hand hammered and i hav one,it doesnt comes close to the sound of old ks! ska ung k custom ride dba wlang lathing un top and bottom? eh bket ang mahal? dpat ka presyo lng ng avedis un! un lng nman ang mga tnong sking isipan. hehe!

ciro-meron ako A thin crash,it sounds dark for me. and alam ko sa sabian pwede ka mamili kung brilliant o traditional finish. at saka wlang 19 na k custom dark crash sa pagkakaalam ko

Offline Blueberri

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2006, 07:31:36 PM »
B8 pro vs ZHT vs Sabian XS or any other sets around 20k you may suggest.

Mga Sir, which ones the best overall? price,sound,durability. also a set that fits in with a lot of musical styles.

im not much of a drum guru, and im planning to get a new set for my studio. it will also be used for recording sometimes.

i'd get the Sabian Paragon set with flight case if a had the money, but finances are tight. :lol:

thanks!!!

Offline Eni

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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2006, 07:48:53 PM »
XS definitely,b8 and zht are sheet cymbals(beginer sets)
i suggest buy cymbals individually.

versatility = zildjian Avedis/sabian AA/AAX
Recording = A customs/K,Kcustoms/HH/HHX

durability? wtf is that.lol
ok durability,depends sa technique mo.gets?

lahat ng sinabi ko, ok sa sound.
lahat ng sinabi mo except sa paragons ay mga beginer cymbals.

complete set of paragons? aabutin ka ng 115000 pesos
meron aq paragon. pero ride lang buwahhaha.lol

Offline omnicloud7

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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2006, 08:46:18 PM »
definitely xs20's!

wag ka maniwala sa mga advertisements ng ZHT, they're really not that good compared sa xs20's.  :D

Offline drumster

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 02:48:33 AM »
In my opinion, Sabian makes the best entry-level cymbals.  

Paiste could be a close second.  Paistes are Euro-style cymbals, so they most likely know better their way around sheet-style cymbals.

Zildjian makes excellent cast cymbals.  But their entry-level sheet bronze cymbals are not so nice.  I recently tried the ZBTs; it doesn't feel great & there's so much lack of cut and body in its sound.

Offline Blueberri

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 09:25:27 AM »
thanks guys,

@ eni: durability? it wouldnt be a problem kung ako lang gagamit, its a rehearsal/recording studio...its really not a problem kung beginer cymbals, as i said finances is a big factor. im keeping it at around 20k for the set. so customs and the like are out of the question. di naman kailangan sobra ganda ng tunog. kelangan ko lang ng decent na set to start out recording with...its not going to be a 700/hr full blown recording studio naman eh.

@ Omnicloud: sa mga tiningnan ko sa web yung XS20s seem to be a good choice. di ko pa na try ang ZHTs, but ill take your word...

@ Drumster: yeah, i was thinking about paiste, kaso lagi wala stocks sa audiophile. i had a pair of 402 hihats and they sound quite well. matibay din naman...you know where i can get 502s? ok ba sila??

Offline Eni

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 06:44:37 PM »
Quote from: Blueberri
thanks guys,

@ eni: durability? it wouldnt be a problem kung ako lang gagamit, its a rehearsal/recording studio...its really not a problem kung beginer cymbals, as i said finances is a big factor. im keeping it at around 20k for the set. so customs and the like are out of the question. di naman kailangan sobra ganda ng tunog. kelangan ko lang ng decent na set to start out recording with...its not going to be a 700/hr full blown recording studio naman eh.


kala ko ur "own" studio. papagamit mo pala,aba eh kung ako chunks of metal papagamit ko sa kanila hahahah joke. ok, u gave me specific details.

definitely,what the guy said earlier, sabian makes good beginer cymbals, like b8s,16k w/ free 18" crash, tapos paiste pst5 around 15k ata. wag ka sa zildjian overrated un.pangit pa.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 06:47:09 PM »
xs20,go for it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 10:37:14 PM »
sir eni, ung set ng pst5 ang 15k? where? waw.. hmm..
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Offline Eni

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2006, 04:11:15 PM »
tagal na un,ewan ko lng ngaun heheh. :lol:  8)

Offline Blueberri

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2006, 04:46:46 PM »
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wag ka sa zildjian overrated un.pangit pa.


hehe oo nga...though i have a scimitar set which holds up pretty well (im looking for another set by the way). di ganun kaganda tunog..pero ang tibay naman...hehe

i might get na nga yung XS20s then slowy move up from there...pst5s  seem nice din kaso wala naman reliable source nun dito sa pinas i think.

thanks again!

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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2006, 04:56:58 PM »
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wag ka sa zildjian overrated un.pangit pa.


hehe oo nga...though i have a scimitar set which holds up pretty well (im looking for another set by the way). di ganun kaganda tunog..pero ang tibay naman...hehe

i might get na nga yung XS20s then slowy move up from there...pst5s  seem nice din kaso wala naman reliable source nun dito sa pinas i think.

thanks again!

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2006, 06:09:57 PM »
Buy 2nd hand:

1) Ride:
20" Zildjian A medium ride: 6K neg (contact kbcware@yahoo.com)
20" Paiste PST5 medium ride: 5K (go to http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20098 or contact user Miggleness)

2) Crashes:
17" Sabian AA Crash: 7K (contact dayspringmanila@yahoo.com)
17" Zildjian K Dark Crash Thin: 6K (contact joeykilayko@yahoo.com)

3) Hats:
14" Zildjian A New Beat Hats: not sure about the price. It's an old pair, so I guess it's under 8K (go to http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=21711 or contact username fredzs)
13" Sabian B8Pro Fusion Hats: 3.5K (go to http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=21606 or contact username aylu64)

And, except for the B8Pro, these are pro-level pies.

Verify first if these are still available.

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