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The Music Forums => Jazz and Blues Cafe => Topic started by: junelle on September 27, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
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tanong ko lang po sa mga masters dyan..
ano ba kinaganda ng jazz, bakit parang andaming gustong matuto nito??
pasensya na po..
im ignorant.. :-D
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tanong ko lang po sa mga masters dyan..
ano ba kinaganda ng jazz, bakit parang andaming gustong matuto nito??
pasensya na po..
im ignorant.. :-D
Sa Rock kasi,konting aral,research,ensayo pwede na. Sa Jazz "nonstop" ang aral,research at ensayo. Isa pa,MAHIRAP talaga!!!
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one of the highest forms of music.
para sakin walang jazz compo na pangit pakinggan ..unlike sa ibang genre like pop and Rock na ma pi-pinpoint mo yung mga hindi magagandang pagkaka areglo ng mga kanta.
ako i love the music , as much as i try to inject jazzy licks to my groove i cant say i can play jazz as in PLAY jazz.im a funk bassist and as of now that the closest to jazz i can get.
to me listening is good pero to really learn it you must really go through all the hardships of note reading and all the book reading stuff.
i hope i could meet someone here to be my jazz mentor of sorts.
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ah ganun po ba.. :-D
mga sir, bka nmn po may mga artist kau na pde i recomend juz for listening po..
thnx
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dami nyo po mapupulot dito sa forum na ito, tulad ko, dami ko natututunan dito and even had newly found friends here sa forum. hehe! anyway kung recommended listening po ha? recommended artist ko po, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Count Basie Orchestra, kung gusto nyo naman po may ay singers, Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday po.. try nyo muna makinig ng makinig hanggang ma dig nyo na, appreciate it by heart. :-D
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dami nyo po mapupulot dito sa forum na ito, tulad ko, dami ko natututunan dito and even had newly found friends here sa forum. hehe! anyway kung recommended listening po ha? recommended artist ko po, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Count Basie Orchestra, kung gusto nyo naman po may ay singers, Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday po.. try nyo muna makinig ng makinig hanggang ma dig nyo na, appreciate it by heart. :-D
Mas ok siguro bro yung mga medyo magagaan lng muna na jazz. Mejo may pagka purist na yung listahan mo. Besides baguhan palang si sir junelle,baka malaliman sya sa mga artists na yan at mawala gana nya sa jazz. :wink:
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Mas ok siguro bro yung mga medyo magagaan lng muna na jazz. Mejo may pagka purist na yung listahan mo. Besides baguhan palang si sir junelle,baka malaliman sya sa mga artists na yan at mawala gana nya sa jazz. :wink:
ummmm.. michael bolton? :-D
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ummmm.. michael bolton? :-D
HEHE! Mas jazz si James Ingram. (i did my best... :-D)
@ junelle,
Sa simula nakinig ako kela David Benoit, Lee Ritenoir & Fourplay, Larry Carlton, Russ Freeman etc... kung jazz nga ba yun... hehe! Mejo masarap kasi pakinggan at na-appreciate ko. Tapos pag trip mo na sila, makinig ka na nung mga binanggit ni katzenjammer.
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So accessibilty muna? Ika nga gatas muna bago karne? Hmmm...
Miles Davis' "The Birth of Cool" album (?) maganda. Kung smooth jazz Lee Ritenour, Fourplay, Larry Carlton, The Rippingtons, David Benoit, etc. Would Steely Dan qualify? Ano pa ba?
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HEHE! Mas jazz si James Ingram. (i did my best... :-D)
@ junelle,
Sa simula nakinig ako kela David Benoit, Lee Ritenoir & Fourplay, Larry Carlton, Russ Freeman etc... kung jazz nga ba yun... hehe! Mejo masarap kasi pakinggan at na-appreciate ko. Tapos pag trip mo na sila, makinig ka na nung mga binanggit ni katzenjammer.
So kung ok kna sa mga smooth jazz selections. It's either you go two ways. Jazz/rock;Jazz/ Fusion or yung mga binanggit ni katzenjammer na mas pure jazz. Sa mga nasabi ko naman,there's artists/bands like Tribal Tech,Allan Holdsworth,Frank Gambale,Chick corea,Mahavishnu Orchestra,John Scofield,Greg Howe,GHS,Pat Martino(old),Mike Stern,Wayne Krantz At marami pang iba. Take your pick on what direction you want to go.
For me, it's Jazz/rock;Jazz/ Fusion. Di ko kasi maiawn-iwan ang rock. :wink:
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So accessibilty muna? Ika nga gatas muna bago karne? Hmmm...
Miles Davis' "The Birth of Cool" album (?) maganda. Kung smooth jazz Lee Ritenour, Fourplay, Larry Carlton, The Rippingtons, David Benoit, etc. Would Steely Dan qualify? Ano pa ba?
thanks!! smooth jazz pa jan please mga brad!
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thank you po mga sir!! :-D
lalo na kay boss "kawayan_strat" :mrgreen:
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HEHE! Mas jazz si James Ingram. (i did my best... :-D)
@ junelle,
Sa simula nakinig ako kela David Benoit, Lee Ritenoir & Fourplay, Larry Carlton, Russ Freeman etc... kung jazz nga ba yun... hehe! Mejo masarap kasi pakinggan at na-appreciate ko. Tapos pag trip mo na sila, makinig ka na nung mga binanggit ni katzenjammer.
JAZZ once! Can we figure out wh........hahahahahaha
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Because jazz is not something you can learn quickly in 1 day, even 1 week or month, much less master in a short span of time.
It takes patience, practice, listening and a hell lot of soul
and insanity. It's a hard life being a jazz musician (thank's for reminding, sir aya!) :-D
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hindi ako jazz musician, pero jazz influenced yung tugtog ko, yung gusto ko sa jazz, yung philosophy, yung pwedeng kahit ano, anything goes basta you get the emotion that you want to present, tapos gusto ko rin yung freedom of expression ko, wala akong restriction of scales, notes, techniques, etc...
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hindi ako jazz musician, pero jazz influenced yung tugtog ko, yung gusto ko sa jazz, yung philosophy, yung pwedeng kahit ano, anything goes basta you get the emotion that you want to present, tapos gusto ko rin yung freedom of expression ko, wala akong restriction of scales, notes, techniques, etc...
ako din!!! jazz influence pero i dont play in a jazz band.
kasi to be in a jazz band....you gotta have jazz friends
...and to have jazz friends...you have to be in a class for jazz
...and to be in a jazz class....you gotta enroll yourself in UST or UP
...and to enroll yourself in UST or UP music... you gotta live music
...and to live music...you gotta have parents approval
...and to have parents approval...you gotta have someone in the family whos been succesful in music OR you gotta be well off
...and that my friends is the end of the line for me!!!! :cry:
but im happy with what God gives me. :-)
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ako din!!! jazz influence pero i dont play in a jazz band.
...and to have jazz friends...you have to be in a class for jazz
...and to be in a jazz class....you gotta enroll yourself in UST or UP
...and to enroll yourself in UST or UP music... you gotta live music
...and to live music...you gotta have parents approval
...and to have parents approval...you gotta have someone in the family whos been succesful in music OR you gotta be well off
...and that my friends is the end of the line for me!!!! :cry:
but im happy with what God gives me. :-)
Jazz was originally invented by musicians with no formal music education (they can't even read notations!). Its not something you acquire from school, rather, you acquire jazz by living it. afaik. :-)
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I'm afraid i can't agree that jazz is one of the highest forms of music.
All music can be high art.
All music can also be crass, commercial crud.
Each moment is as the consciousness which perceives it. Each note is as the awareness which gives it life.
If the intent behind the music is high-minded, the music is high art.
If the intent is to make lots and lots of money, the music is something owned by channels 2 and 7.
If the intent is, well... pure in the beginning but redirected by a manager whose mastery of marketing is indisputable but whose ignorance of artistry is unsurprising, you have a singer who stars in tele-novelas on the side but who sings her own song (which she herself wrote!) out of tune on nationwide tv.
If the intent is to make the Filipino people as stupid as humanly possible, you get Love Radio.
(... it harts! it harts, yu know?)
Why play jazz?
Why play any kind of music?
Why love jazz?
Why love any kind of music?
There are no dividing lines. There are no borders.
God is love is music.
Why love music?
Because it's a magical force which reminds us of who we really are. Reminds us that God lives in us all.
Share the gift, share the love!
c",)
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No matter how much we bash him and call him a sellout, Kenny G is jazz. And like sir aya was saying, jazz can be infected with crass commercialism and there is your perfect example.
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I'm afraid i can't agree that jazz is one of the highest forms of music.
All music can be high art.
hmmmm.......medyo nalito ako dito sir a...
kasi Jaco says that you really got to read notes....tama nman to be able to communicate w musicians better... yung ganun context ba?
so dun ko na-set yung utak ko na you gotta learn it to play it when it comes to jazz(fusion).
jazz improvisations ok pwedeng feel....
pero inisip ko pano ka makaka compose ng isang arrangment w/o writing it down on a staff?
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hmmmm.......medyo nalito ako dito sir a...
kasi Jaco says that you really got to read notes....tama nman to be able to communicate w musicians better... yung ganun context ba?
so dun ko na-set yung utak ko na you gotta learn it to play it when it comes to jazz(fusion).
jazz improvisations ok pwedeng feel....
pero inisip ko pano ka makaka compose ng isang arrangment w/o writing it down on a staff?
well, you don't NEED.. pero i think it's an advantage. I think if you're that good, you don't need to learn notes or write it down. But then again, i don't know anyone whose that good. :)
i think with the comment of jazz being the highest form of music, i think he meant that every music can be just as complicated, as good, and as pure as jazz - it depends on how people will play it.
and if you wanna listen to Jazz, listen to Aya. :-D wahaha :-D
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Ayan, nakuha ni RJ. Tumpak!
Skill is not music. Music is not skill.
Jazz is one of the most highly-skilled forms of music. But it is not necessarily one of the highest forms.
Skill doesn't automatically produce high art.
Only spirit produces high art.
We are but vessels for spirit to pass through.
The clearer we are, the higher the art.
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Ayan, nakuha ni RJ. Tumpak!
Skill is not music. Music is not skill.
Jazz is one of the most highly-skilled forms of music. But it is not necessarily one of the highest forms.
Skill doesn't automatically produce high art.
Only spirit produces high art.
We are but vessels for spirit to pass through.
The clearer we are, the higher the art.
amen... :-D
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well, you don't NEED.. pero i think it's an advantage. I think if you're that good, you don't need to learn notes or write it down. But then again, i don't know anyone whose that good. :)
i think with the comment of jazz being the highest form of music, i think he meant that every music can be just as complicated, as good, and as pure as jazz - it depends on how people will play it.
and if you wanna listen to Jazz, listen to Aya. :-D wahaha :-D
Oh, did Wes learn to write or read music? I don't think he did.
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Ayan, nakuha ni RJ. Tumpak!
Skill is not music. Music is not skill.
Jazz is one of the most highly-skilled forms of music. But it is not necessarily one of the highest forms.
Skill doesn't automatically produce high art.
Only spirit produces high art.
We are but vessels for spirit to pass through.
The clearer we are, the higher the art.
HMMMM....
that gives me high hopes, thanks! no more books for me!!!! O YEA!!! :-D
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Wes didn't read notes. Pati chords, dehin din.
Pero exceptional ang tenga niya.
Alam niya yung tunog. Di lang niya alam yung mga pangalan.
But take note:
A high level of skill can help.
Use all weapons at your disposal.
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one of the highest forms of music.
para sakin walang jazz compo na pangit pakinggan ..unlike sa ibang genre like pop and Rock na ma pi-pinpoint mo yung mga hindi magagandang pagkaka areglo ng mga kanta.
ako i love the music , as much as i try to inject jazzy licks to my groove i cant say i can play jazz as in PLAY jazz.im a funk bassist and as of now that the closest to jazz i can get.
to me listening is good pero to really learn it you must really go through all the hardships of note reading and all the book reading stuff.
i hope i could meet someone here to be my jazz mentor of sorts.
My jazz na pangit pakinggan, free jazz, but it's an art, expression of freedom and a continous search for depth. To make people realize that there's more to everything than what we're used to. A strive to make this close-minded world open up.
There's no high and low, music is not a competition but an expression of feelings. People who think this way is completely loosing the point of being a true artist...
i agree about the hardships though 8-)
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its inside a can of peanuts! :-)
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Jazz is all about the feel. It's the jazz in you dude. I play slight jazz coz I also play funk, but you always have to influence your self to it to get it. Jazz is a life stylejust like other genres. If jazz fits you then go for it if not then try another. Enjoy your style and that's all that matters. Hehehe God bless
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Absorb what is useful. Discard what is useless. Add what is uniquely your own.
c",)
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To know why jazz is good, you have to realize how great the pioneers and innovators of this music are. Know why parker, davis, coltrane and the likes were unbelievably great. It's not only because they can play fast or a jazz player in your town told you so. YOU have to figure out why are they so great.
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kaya love ko ang jazz eh!!! sarap ulit ulitin.. sarap sa tenga,nakakarelax saka dito ka mahahasa talaga.. isa pa bigatin ka pag sinabing "jazzer ka".. ung jazz player talaga.. wow ka!