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Title: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 09, 2012, 10:44:03 PM
Aside from the higher prices of crude... I am simply running out of things to buy.  I mean sure its easy to buy the next best mass produced thing but that ain't got tone and character.

At this point in time, I have the next best thing to the real mccoy's.  I realized this when I ended up buying a Fender Custom Shop Tele -- something I would never consider because the musiczoo had reserved a good sounding BC Rich for me which I failed to visit because of the poor weather yet something attracted me to that Tele sound.  I am also very happy with my Jim Rolph PAFs which have brought my Baker firemodel#55 inline with Gil Yaron.  Also, after the Bruno, Ultrasound has reserved and kept a very special Komet 60 for me.  Ultrasound also felt that more or less I have covered the METAL-genre amps in spades capped off with the Diezel Herbert.

My trip to New York, also yielded me a Goodrich volume pedal, a vintage Ross Compressor, a Presecription Electronics Experience (Ocatver Fuzz), Mad Professor Snow White Autowah, Lehle Dual Amp Switcher and Spaceman Effects Harmonic Overdrive.

Moreover, my New York experience made friends of Jim Rolph, Gene of Ultrasound, Ardell of Matt Umanov and Matt of 30th Street Guitars.  So the question is HOW do you slowdown GAS?

1) Buy the best -- avoid brands with advertisements and everything carried in Audiophile, JB Mart, Perfect Pitche, TMS, Lazer etc.  ( I repeat this because I would consider them the Toyotas of Musical Instruments and nothing else)
2) Always looks for the person or ear behind the product your buying -- if its a group of engineers forget it even if its says Marshall
3) You don't need more stuff in terms of looks, style or COLOR but you NEED a lot of the good sounding stuff which is rare!!!
4) Avoid Youtube because its never accurate compared to how the piece of equipment translates in terms of feel.
5) Subscribe to Tonequest Report because they limit your scope to the good sounding stuff and I have tried their recommendations which beats any recommendation on this forum!!!
6) Have other experts with better ears and experience than you select your equipment instead.  This way the ego is deflated by someone in authority. 
7) Conversely, it is dangerous to keep selecting equipment based on your visual and physical specifications and requirements.  Use Feel and Sound instead.
8) Again, don't buy amps and guitars unless they cost US$3k and above.  I know that I have said this before but it does indeed reduce purchases.
9) Buy US made and European guitars and Amps.  I know that I have said this before but it ALSO reduces your purchases.  The US and Europeans have higher standards with regards to good sounding audio gear -- I say more so than the Japanese.
10) Don't believe any major brand endorsement by successful artists.  Just remember than the manufacturers who produce the best sounding equipment do NOT have the money to pay the endorsement fees of the big artists.  They are too busy trying to produce magical sounding equipment one at a time.

I hope this helps...
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: pualux on March 10, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
to some extent, I agree
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: teleclem on March 10, 2012, 12:19:23 AM
My trip to New York, also yielded me a Goodrich volume pedal,

OT: Do you know how to contact them? I can't seem to find some direct info. I got mine at Tone tronix and I want to change out some stuff.

Back on topic - I also agree, to some extent. The idea of "going for the gold" is something that can save some money, I guess. But it should be noted that it's always ymmv.

There must be some things you'd still like to acquire (they probably haven't completely run out) - what's next? :)

I like the phrase "gas slow down". It acknowledges that it doesn't really end. Haha

Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gnarly on March 10, 2012, 12:22:19 AM
sad do say i'll never get close to applying the principles of sir firemodel55, but i like his conviction. maybe i can use that when i won the lottery(no pun intended).

for the mean time: i'll just stick with no. 3 and 5.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: blacktele on March 10, 2012, 01:19:44 AM
I do agree, it may slow it down because getting the best really requires more time to save for it.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: pualux on March 10, 2012, 01:21:43 AM
I do agree, it may slow it down because getting the best really requires more time to save for it.

parang disiplina narin, yung gas kasi napapa impulse buy ka
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gyrome on March 10, 2012, 01:30:26 AM
Ako hindi lang nag-slowdown, STOP talaga ako ngayon. TESBUN si GF. Yeah!! :D
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: blacktele on March 10, 2012, 01:42:14 AM
Ako hindi lang nag-slowdown, STOP talaga ako ngayon. TESBUN si GF. Yeah!! :D

Congrats bro!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: jamming_papu on March 10, 2012, 03:56:22 AM
Totally agree with 1 and 3 at all cases. But for most people na nangangati na ang kamay para makahawak ng instrumento at makatugtog it seems that maximizing the current available budget using 6 and some point 7 is a good guide.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gyrome on March 10, 2012, 04:00:18 AM
Congrats bro!

Thanks bro! :)
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: Chum on March 11, 2012, 11:18:12 AM
Ako hindi lang nag-slowdown, STOP talaga ako ngayon. TESBUN si GF. Yeah!! :D

The best reason to slow down/stop talaga hahaha... Soon we will be welcoming you to the "Laging Puyat Gentlemen's Club"  :-D :-D :-D  No TONE beats the cooing and gurgling and crying of a little future Van Halen/Les Paul/Orianthi (malay natin girl haha)

Alright, back to topic...  :-D
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 11, 2012, 11:31:33 AM
agreed!

but let us not forget the fun factor......perhaps the list above  is for really really serious musicians..but for people who just like to rock out, write songs  and express themselves on stage and after 30 years talk about the great fun they had gigging around ...I guess criteria like these wont really matter much...when your on stage in some smokey,smelly rock joint with 20-30 fans wanting to rock out to your music..those small differences in tone, or wood density, or boutique amps, high end pots and cpacitors, the buzz on an unregulated pedal power supply adaptor....etc....wont really matter anymore..
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 11, 2012, 11:38:14 AM

So the question is HOW do you slowdown GAS?


this is easy: actually play the gear that you've bought and put it to good use.

this answer naturally follows the logical thought that if you've acquired enough stuff by GAS over t period of time, it must have been to serve a purpose, one of which would most likely be with the intent of making music -either through recorded media or by playing live, or as a bedroom rock-god, whichever. i've been fortunate to have pretty expensive gear and i've also been fortunate enough to have had the chance to see what they can do live in great venues. i figure, if i spend that much time (and money) buying gear, it better see play time from me otherwise, what was i buying all that crap for?

Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: xelalien on March 11, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
this is easy: actually play the gear that you've bought and put it to good use.

this answer naturally follows the logical thought that if you've acquired enough stuff by GAS over t period of time, it must have been to serve a purpose, one of which would most likely be with the intent of making music -either through recorded media or by playing live, or as a bedroom rock-god, whichever. i've been fortunate to have pretty expensive gear and i've also been fortunate enough to have had the chance to see what they can do live in great venues. i figure, if i spend that much time (and money) buying gear, it better see play time from me otherwise, what was i buying all that crap for?




+1, focus more on songwriting, will definitely slow down GAS guuaranteed. maximize all the possible features of your current set-up.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 11, 2012, 11:59:22 AM

+1, focus more on songwriting, will definitely slow down GAS guuaranteed. maximize all the possible features of your current set-up.
yeah -great songs have been made with less stuff. i've actually got a nice story to use as an example. over the years i've met tons of artists and bands that have made it pretty big on the merit of great talent and songs. one recent story that comes to mind is Bon-Iver. I met Justin (Vernon) right when he first started and have run into him a few times over the years since then. we shared a lot in common because of where our family roots are, anyway the guy made his critically acclaimed record with the most minimum of gear AND it wasn't even the BEST gear. he showed me the guitar that he wrote a majority of the songs off that record and it was a beat up Sears Silvertone of some kind. he basically wrote a majority of the songs on that guitar, recorded it in an isolated cabin in the middle of nowhere (and I know the area because i've been to it several times) and despite these limitations, his songs garnered a ton of praise from fans, critics and his peers. this month, he won 2 Grammys.

do you NEED great gear? it helps. is great gear absolutely necessary to make great songs that will help you succeed at your craft? not necessarily BUT it would be nice, sure. the dude had a beat up silvertone and it smelled like an old guy but when he played it, it didn't matter whether he played a somogyi, a silvertone or a martin, the guy's songs said what needed to be said and he didn't need fancy schamncy gear to get the job done. some people say they need a $3000 amp to make music paired with a $5000 guitar. yeah, right. there are tons of examples out there on the gigging scene right NOW playing music with less costing stuff to prove those guys wrong.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 11, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
this is easy: actually play the gear that you've bought and put it to good use.

this answer naturally follows the logical thought that if you've acquired enough stuff by GAS over t period of time, it must have been to serve a purpose, one of which would most likely be with the intent of making music -either through recorded media or by playing live, or as a bedroom rock-god, whichever. i've been fortunate to have pretty expensive gear and i've also been fortunate enough to have had the chance to see what they can do live in great venues. i figure, if i spend that much time (and money) buying gear, it better see play time from me otherwise, what was i buying all that crap for?

Because I can and I love it... I don't have to prove it and put it into play time.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 11, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Because I can and I love it... I don't have to prove it and put it into play time.
hey, collecting is fine too. tons of dudes out there collecting stuff but can't play a lick on an instrument. there are players and there are collectors. the industry and market has room for both, in fact, that is why they make stuff that is meant to be a display piece and stuff that needs to withstand being hauled from state to state every day of the week.

if you've run out of stuff to buy, im sure the market will have something to provide soon enough especially since NAMM just finished. we have some amps in our collection in common like the Pitbull, the Uberschall and the Diezel (you the Herbert, me the VH4). if you're into metal amps try the new Fortin NATAS. you might like it. i tried one a while back and sprung for one. you might like it.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 11, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
yeah -great songs have been made with less stuff. i've actually got a nice story to use as an example. over the years i've met tons of artists and bands that have made it pretty big on the merit of great talent and songs. one recent story that comes to mind is Bon-Iver. I met Justin (Vernon) right when he first started and have run into him a few times over the years since then. we shared a lot in common because of where our family roots are, anyway the guy made his critically acclaimed record with the most minimum of gear AND it wasn't even the BEST gear. he showed me the guitar that he wrote a majority of the songs off that record and it was a beat up Sears Silvertone of some kind. he basically wrote a majority of the songs on that guitar, recorded it in an isolated cabin in the middle of nowhere (and I know the area because i've been to it several times) and despite these limitations, his songs garnered a ton of praise from fans, critics and his peers. this month, he won 2 Grammys.

do you NEED great gear? it helps. is great gear absolutely necessary to make great songs that will help you succeed at your craft? not necessarily BUT it would be nice, sure. the dude had a beat up silvertone and it smelled like an old guy but when he played it, it didn't matter whether he played a somogyi, a silvertone or a martin, the guy's songs said what needed to be said and he didn't need fancy schamncy gear to get the job done. some people say they need a $3000 amp to make music paired with a $5000 guitar. yeah, right. there are tons of examples out there on the gigging scene right NOW playing music with less costing stuff to prove those guys wrong.

Who he?

Kung songs ang measure mo, whats his NET worth?  Arnel Pineda is worth US$15MM without ever needing a silvertone. 

Kahit sino naman pwede mag gig pero why would I gig with inferior equipment if I can enjoy better with expensive great sounding equipment?  Eh kung ganon bibilan ko si Justin ng Lumanog to trade in his Sears Silvertone. Papayag kaya siya?
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 11, 2012, 12:15:49 PM
hey, collecting is fine too. tons of dudes out there collecting stuff but can't play a lick on an instrument. there are players and there are collectors.

I don't collect.  I buy based on character...
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 11, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
Who he?

Kung songs ang measure mo, whats his NET worth?  Arnel Pineda is worth US$15MM without ever needing a silvertone. 

Kahit sino naman pwede mag gig pero why would I gig with inferior equipment if I can enjoy better with expensive great sounding equipment?  Eh kung ganon bibilan ko si Justin ng Lumanog to trade in his Sears Silvertone. Papayag kaya siya?

haha, knowing him -he would go for it. dude scours for stuff at pawn shops and Ebay all the time. if he had a lumanog, he'll prolly find a use for it. i know lots of musicians that would go for obscure instruments and instruments of varying quality. just because something doesn't cost a gazillion bucks doesn't mean you can't write awesome songs with it. some awesome examples are the things you find in Eric Valentine's studio. i've been in that place and awesome records by the Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age and Third Eye Blind have recorded there. some weird cheap stuff made it onto records because they sounded great.

check who Bon-Iver is, you have the internet. released two albums on his own, one of which was an indie label and his first was voted one of the most influential albums of 2009. the latest one won him best new artist at the Grammys. he continues to be carried under an indie label but has had major label offers too.

ah -net worth. hell if i know. im not the guy's agent nor do i intend to be. i do know that Justin has released 2 records on his own and established an identity based on his songs and live performance. he wasn't picked by a band off a youtube video singing a cover of a song made famous by someone else. Pineda? sure he might be worth 15M but, mind you, he was also hired to fill some very specific shoes by a band that has been around since the 80s. he can write songs as much as Schon will let him but pound for pound, dude was hired to do a specific job within a franchise that most likely doesn't let him write his own songs. take from that what you will.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 11, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
I don't collect.  I buy based on character...

that is fine too. humour me for a bit, i've been away for a few years from this forum so refresh my memory again: is "hiyaw" synonymous with character? i don't think i ever established what it actually means.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: siore on March 11, 2012, 01:18:25 PM
to some extent, I agree

Me too. I liked a few things on the OP.

"Use feel and sound."

Yes.

"I hope this helps."

Yes. I hope as well.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 11, 2012, 06:16:16 PM
that is fine too. humour me for a bit, i've been away for a few years from this forum so refresh my memory again: is "hiyaw" synonymous with character? i don't think i ever established what it actually means.

Yes, Hiyaw does/is the best measure of character but character is more... Hard to describe really.  Very very few guitars have them.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 12, 2012, 03:27:50 AM
agreed!

but let us not forget the fun factor......perhaps the list above  is for really really serious musicians..but for people who just like to rock out, write songs  and express themselves on stage and after 30 years talk about the great fun they had gigging around ...I guess criteria like these wont really matter much...when your on stage in some smokey,smelly rock joint with 20-30 fans wanting to rock out to your music..those small differences in tone, or wood density, or boutique amps, high end pots and cpacitors, the buzz on an unregulated pedal power supply adaptor....etc....wont really matter anymore..

The more so, I believe.  Somebody told me recently, why keep a good sounding 62 strat in pristine condition when you can gig with, and take pictures with and remember times that you played with it and pleasing the crowd specially if you have no one else to give it to when you die?  Doesn't that element make your memories of gigging richer?  And maybe pardon my opinion -- I hope you do not get offended -- rocking out to express yourself is just not about capturing the richness of music.  Mukhang lifestyle lang ang hinabol at hindi ang musical experience kasi wala kang paki sa small differences in tone, boutique amps, high end pots and caps and buzz on unregulated pedal power supply adaptor.  The really great guitarist I know and I read about care about these because music for them is  just more than a good time. Its about communicating EXPRESSION -- as you pointed out.  Anything less than their perfect or greatest effort makes EXPRESSION less than their best.  At the end of the day, when the hits are gone and all your fans have suddenly disappeard and you are NOT the next best thing anymore and replaced by some inferior musical act, its about the company and friends who stuck with you AND believe me your equipment and NOT about rockin' out 100% of the time. 
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 12, 2012, 03:41:47 AM
haha, knowing him -he would go for it. dude scours for stuff at pawn shops and Ebay all the time. if he had a lumanog, he'll prolly find a use for it. i know lots of musicians that would go for obscure instruments and instruments of varying quality. just because something doesn't cost a gazillion bucks doesn't mean you can't write awesome songs with it. some awesome examples are the things you find in Eric Valentine's studio. i've been in that place and awesome records by the Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age and Third Eye Blind have recorded there. some weird cheap stuff made it onto records because they sounded great.

check who Bon-Iver is, you have the internet. released two albums on his own, one of which was an indie label and his first was voted one of the most influential albums of 2009. the latest one won him best new artist at the Grammys. he continues to be carried under an indie label but has had major label offers too.

ah -net worth. hell if i know. im not the guy's agent nor do i intend to be. i do know that Justin has released 2 records on his own and established an identity based on his songs and live performance. he wasn't picked by a band off a youtube video singing a cover of a song made famous by someone else. Pineda? sure he might be worth 15M but, mind you, he was also hired to fill some very specific shoes by a band that has been around since the 80s. he can write songs as much as Schon will let him but pound for pound, dude was hired to do a specific job within a franchise that most likely doesn't let him write his own songs. take from that what you will.

Based on the few snapshots of Bon Iver, he has a unique style. It reminds me of Enya to a certain extent because of its mood.  It seems that his songwriting is his strength and he is soulful BUT...

1) I think Arnel sings with more SOUL than he does even if its just a Journey song -- I have to agree with Neal Schon on this.  Bon has this monotone that I can appreciate but NOT listen to the whole day.  He sounds as if his balls are squished... I don't mean it in a bad way but it sounds contrived.
2) Bon Iver's songs can get boring despite the different textures he does which I like. 
3) For me, I am NOT impressed with his guitar tones -- but you have to excuse me because I listened via Youtube so I could be totally wrong in a live situation.
4) But to be honest, I prefer him to Willie Villarame but NONE of his songs are on the LEVEL OF JOURNEY.  It may be unfair to compare him to them but if I had the same amount of money to spend on a CD by Bon versus the Journey CD, I would in MY OPINION buy Journey.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 12, 2012, 04:30:19 AM

1) He sounds as if his balls are squished... I don't mean it in a bad way but it sounds contrived.
-its called a falsetto. its been around a long time and since you're older than I am, you should know about this.

2) For me, I am NOT impressed with his guitar tones -- but you have to excuse me because I listened via Youtube so I could be totally wrong in a live situation.
-tone is subjective. impressions are even more fluid and flexible, especially when talking about youtube and live performance. remember your debacle with "hiyaw" a few years back? that was painful.

3) But to be honest, I prefer him to Willie Villarame but NONE of his songs are on the LEVEL OF JOURNEY.  It may be unfair to compare him to them but if I had the same amount of money to spend on a CD by Bon versus the Journey CD, I would in MY OPINION buy Journey.
-you can spend your money on what you want, really. both are there to provide variety. as far as "on the level of X" -i don't really know how to process it because both acts have not been around the same time and they both belong to a different genre, which is ultimately a retarded comparison.

willie villarme, bon iver and journey. this is the first time i have come across this comparison. your mind works in a unique way, i'll give you that.

really, AP serves a purpose in Journey. of course Schon is going to say the dude has soul - every replacement for Perry has had to have that because that is a very specific job, requiring a very specific ability that was set in place by a guy who left over 15 years ago yet the effect overshadows every hired gun in his place after he left.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 12, 2012, 04:37:33 AM
1) He sounds as if his balls are squished... I don't mean it in a bad way but it sounds contrived.
-its called a falsetto. its been around a long time and since you're older than I am, you should know about this.
(I do not care about the technical jargon.  I am just saying he does BAD falsetto... but still uniquely his.  It gets tiring after awhile.)

2) For me, I am NOT impressed with his guitar tones -- but you have to excuse me because I listened via Youtube so I could be totally wrong in a live situation.
-tone is subjective. impressions are even more fluid and flexible, especially when talking about youtube and live performance. remember your debacle with "hiyaw" a few years back? that was painful.

(Oh believe it or not, more people now can hear 'hiyaw' than before.  But admittedly there are other who CANNOT hear it and no matter what I do I can't get them to hear it. I think at this point in time ALL MY SEVEN GUITARS prove that the 'hiyaw' property exist in different body types and construction types.  More than hiyaw which is just an indicator, what I am looking for really is character and magic.)

3) But to be honest, I prefer him to Willie Villarame but NONE of his songs are on the LEVEL OF JOURNEY.  It may be unfair to compare him to them but if I had the same amount of money to spend on a CD by Bon versus the Journey CD, I would in MY OPINION buy Journey.
-you can spend your money on what you want, really. both are there to provide variety. as far as "on the level of X" -i don't really know how to process it because both acts have not been around the same time and they both belong to a different genre, which is ultimately a retarded comparison.

(Huh?  Its not as difficult, I mean you don't have to over rationalize.  Just listen and in MY OPINION which is NOT necessarily the be all end all as you pointed out, Arnel does a better job conveying SOUL and Journey seems to make better songs.  Its just my opinion though.)

willie villarme, bon iver and journey. this is the first time i have come across this comparison. your mind works in a unique way, i'll give you that.

really, AP serves a purpose in Journey. of course Schon is going to say the dude has soul - every replacement for Perry has had to have that because that is a very specific job, requiring a very specific ability that was set in place by a guy who left over 15 years ago yet the effect overshadows every hired gun in his place after he left.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 12, 2012, 04:53:09 AM
your opinions are valid, i was just pointing out my perspective in response to your answers. this isn't over rationalization -not by a long shot. i do rationalization for a living so this isn't even representative of top form:)

glad you have made strides in spreading the gospel of "hiyaw."
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 12, 2012, 04:57:28 AM
your opinions are valid, i was just pointing out my perspective in response to your answers. this isn't over rationalization -not by a long shot. i do rationalization for a living so this isn't even representative of top form:)

glad you have made strides in spreading the gospel of "hiyaw."

Parang leap of faith ang 'hiyaw' if you can't hear. LOL :) 

P.S. I just want to say that I prefer to hear Bon anyday over Willie Villarme, Charice, Lady Gaga or Kate Perry.  He is sincere and you can feel the artist in him BUT I don't think he is up there yet...
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 12, 2012, 05:05:58 AM
Parang leap of faith ang 'hiyaw' if you can't hear. LOL :) 

P.S. I just want to say that I prefer to hear Bon anyday over Willie Villarme, Charice, Lady Gaga or Kate Perry.  He is sincere and you can feel the artist in him BUT I don't think he is up there yet...

i prefer Kate Perry. she is prettier than Willie V.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: stratboy on March 14, 2012, 08:38:15 AM
Based on the few snapshots of Bon Iver, he has a unique style. It reminds me of Enya to a certain extent because of its mood.  It seems that his songwriting is his strength and he is soulful BUT...

1) I think Arnel sings with more SOUL than he does even if its just a Journey song -- I have to agree with Neal Schon on this.  Bon has this monotone that I can appreciate but NOT listen to the whole day.  He sounds as if his balls are squished... I don't mean it in a bad way but it sounds contrived.
2) Bon Iver's songs can get boring despite the different textures he does which I like. 
3) For me, I am NOT impressed with his guitar tones -- but you have to excuse me because I listened via Youtube so I could be totally wrong in a live situation.
4) But to be honest, I prefer him to Willie Villarame but NONE of his songs are on the LEVEL OF JOURNEY.  It may be unfair to compare him to them but if I had the same amount of money to spend on a CD by Bon versus the Journey CD, I would in MY OPINION buy Journey.

What's your favorite album? Or recorded guitar tone? Just curious.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: superbida76 on March 14, 2012, 09:04:29 AM
Ako hindi lang nag-slowdown, STOP talaga ako ngayon. TESBUN si GF. Yeah!! :D
.....Congrats sir! We walk the same path. 1st trimester na..father to be at age 36.hahaha// ;)..I agree with FM55 on this. If you have the money, buy the best that can be bought, not by hype or social pressure.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: treblinkalovescene on March 14, 2012, 11:47:28 AM
Your attitude towards gear is a lot like your attitude towards life goals. Arguably, gear is kind of a life goal if you're so inclined. I guess a gear journey is set by what you have at this point in your life and how much of it you could point towards your sense of tonal bliss. Back then, I'd play any guitar I could get my hands on. On my second job ever, I moved up to a $1000 guitar after a series of trades. Next, I'm looking towards getting a Fender. Then amps. Then I'm done. For the meantime. Until I have the means to move further up. That's how I see it.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: jm the mute on March 14, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
Aside from the higher prices of crude... I am simply running out of things to buy. 

errr how about guitar lessons? :)
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 14, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
errr how about guitar lessons? :)

Kanino ko kukunin?  Ang hirap maghanap ng magaling na teacher dito sa Pinas.....
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: jm the mute on March 14, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
Kanino ko kukunin?  Ang hirap maghanap ng magaling na teacher dito sa Pinas.....

you've searched for the best sounding equipment everywhere. im sure you'll find the best guitar teacher somewhere
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: AnalogKiD on March 14, 2012, 05:59:20 PM
I agree with FM55 on this. If you have the money, buy the best that can be bought, not by hype or social pressure.

tingin ko sa mga ganun mga alipin sa kung ano ang uso...
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on March 14, 2012, 10:11:59 PM
you've searched for the best sounding equipment everywhere. im sure you'll find the best guitar teacher somewhere

 :-D
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 15, 2012, 04:23:23 AM
you've searched for the best sounding equipment everywhere. im sure you'll find the best guitar teacher somewhere

Unfortunately, wala sa Pinas...
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 15, 2012, 04:24:04 AM
:-D

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Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: shoegazer on March 15, 2012, 12:13:17 PM
Since you're running out of things to use your money on, why not pay for someone's chemotherapy or heart transplant? I mean, a Gil Yaron is much more expensive than those, but not that you have to, though. It's just a friendly suggestion. (You could) Use your existential crisis for the greater good.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gyrome on March 15, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
Unfortunately, wala sa Pinas...

HOMAYGAD!!!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 15, 2012, 01:03:41 PM
for me, Id rather focus on more gigs and exposure..mas masarap at satisfying yung feeling pag nakakatugtog kesa sa pag accumulate ng equipment...di ko yata matake na million pesos rig ko tapos..bedroom guitarist lang ako..

Di ko matake na I can be so technical and indepth in explaining the science of how an electric guitar gets its tone...through upgrades and highend products..to the quality of solder used...

I want to play on stage ...in front of people..all day every day!!!

to Get our music out there!!!

turn on ,tune in and ROCK out!! Woooo!!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 15, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Since you're running out of things to use your money on, why not pay for someone's chemotherapy or heart transplant? I mean, a Gil Yaron is much more expensive than those, but not that you have to, though. It's just a friendly suggestion. (You could) Use your existential crisis for the greater good.

I am already spending on my OWN chemotherapy.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 15, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
for me, Id rather focus on more gigs and exposure..mas masarap at satisfying yung feeling pag nakakatugtog kesa sa pag accumulate ng equipment...di ko yata matake na million pesos rig ko tapos..bedroom guitarist lang ako..

Di ko matake na I can be so technical and indepth in explaining the science of how an electric guitar gets its tone...through upgrades and highend products..to the quality of solder used...

I want to play on stage ...in front of people..all day every day!!!

to Get our music out there!!!

turn on ,tune in and ROCK out!! Woooo!!

Good for you... Good Luck.  Di ko rin ma-take nag gig pero less than P20k lang ang gastos sa equipment -- sakit sa tenga.  Well I guess to each his own.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: ianhisoka47 on March 15, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
9) Buy US made and European guitars and Amps.  I know that I have said this before but it ALSO reduces your purchases.  The US and Europeans have higher standards with regards to good sounding audio gear -- I say more so than the Japanese.
I hope this helps...

I don't quite believe on this. Japanese is somehow on par quality with US and Europeans.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: treblinkalovescene on March 15, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
Gear naman kasi is an art in itself that has little to do with the musician. How these things are crafted and designed are exercises in artistic expression rin e. If band life is taken as both art and a lifestyle, both the gear and the actual equipment are crucial components. FM55 sums up the gear-oriented extremity of the whole experience so it's pointless to equate e. You will NOT reach a common consensus, understand the guy on his own terms. I find his posts insightful with due filtering of things he's said before.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: juwanfidle09 on March 15, 2012, 01:43:39 PM
1) Buy the best -- avoid brands with advertisements and everything carried in Audiophile, JB Mart, Perfect Pitche, TMS, Lazer etc.  ( I repeat this because I would consider them the Toyotas of Musical Instruments and nothing else)

- at some point, agree ako dito. :)


2) Always looks for the person or ear behind the product your buying -- if its a group of engineers forget it even if its says Marshall

- meron naman reliable dito na pwedeng humingi ng advice (para sa akin)  :)


3) You don't need more stuff in terms of looks, style or COLOR but you NEED a lot of the good sounding stuff which is rare!!!

- tama, aesthetics lang naman yun. kumpara nalang natin sa chix na nagkakagusto sa guwapong douchebag na may ferrari na kotse, tapos yung mga mababait na mukhang singaw nasa friendzone  :lol:


4) Avoid Youtube because its never accurate compared to how the piece of equipment translates in terms of feel.

- tama! compression sucks  :eek:


5) Subscribe to Tonequest Report because they limit your scope to the good sounding stuff and I have tried their recommendations which beats any recommendation on this forum!!!

- going to subscribe soon, may fee ba to?  :)


6) Have other experts with better ears and experience than you select your equipment instead.  This way the ego is deflated by someone in authority. 

- agree ako dito except for the "select your equipment" part.   :)


7) Conversely, it is dangerous to keep selecting equipment based on your visual and physical specifications and requirements.  Use Feel and Sound instead.

- nagkaroon na ako ng bad experience na ganito (noong high school pa and non music related gear). since then nagreresearch na ako bago ako bumili  :)


8) Again, don't buy amps and guitars unless they cost US$3k and above.  I know that I have said this before but it does indeed reduce purchases.

- Kung may budget naman, why not? Kung wala, make most of what you have.  :)


9) Buy US made and European guitars and Amps.  I know that I have said this before but it ALSO reduces your purchases.  The US and Europeans have higher standards with regards to good sounding audio gear -- I say more so than the Japanese.

- "no comment" made in south korea kasi gitara ko, hahahaha!  :lol:


10) Don't believe any major brand endorsement by successful artists.  Just remember than the manufacturers who produce the best sounding equipment do NOT have the money to pay the endorsement fees of the big artists.  They are too busy trying to produce magical sounding equipment one at a time.

- Graphtech endorser here, they don't pay me but I believe in the quality of their products :)


Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: guitarwiz02 on March 15, 2012, 02:31:47 PM
What's wrong with Toyota? :idea:
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: guitarbrat on March 15, 2012, 02:38:35 PM
What's wrong with Toyota? :idea:

Maybe coz they had a lot of recalls. Even their luxor brand lexus had some issues lately.   :idea:
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: nickson on March 15, 2012, 05:37:07 PM
Good for you... Good Luck.  Di ko rin ma-take nag gig pero less than P20k lang ang gastos sa equipment -- sakit sa tenga.  Well I guess to each his own.

LOL.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 15, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
What's wrong with Toyota? :idea:

Great utilitarian car but don't expect anything magical or extraordinary -- in short BOOOOOOOORING.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: elfenliedagain on March 16, 2012, 02:10:26 AM

3) You don't need more stuff in terms of looks, style or COLOR but you NEED a lot of the good sounding stuff which is rare!!!

This I agree
4) Avoid Youtube because its never accurate compared to how the piece of equipment translates in terms of feel.

ALWAYS. never watch/listen to YT vids when it comes to evaluating gear since its all squashed up

6) Have other experts with better ears and experience than you select your equipment instead.  This way the ego is deflated by someone in authority. 

No, not really.
7) Conversely, it is dangerous to keep selecting equipment based on your visual and physical specifications and requirements.  Use Feel and Sound instead.

Agree. Wholeheartedly. Kids my age fall for this easy.
8) Again, don't buy amps and guitars unless they cost US$3k and above.  I know that I have said this before but it does indeed reduce purchases.

I disagree but I understand where this is coming from.


Personally, if I find the guitar that I believe "speaks" to/for me, kahit sa pawnshop lang sya, I'd get it. It doesn't necessarily have to be the best stuff out there as long as ITS YOUR OWN TONE.

Also, +1 sa thread na to for including Journey, Willie Revillame and Bonny Bear in the discussion  :wave:
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 02:20:24 AM
Hey Alex. You are one of the few people here that I look up to because of the gear and ears that you have. I appreciate that you are after the sake of people to know what a good sounding gear is. But honestly, your comments tend to become sarcastic and offensive to people who does not have your spending power. We all know that you have possibly the best gear here in PM or maybe in the whole country but please sir, try to say things nicely. Minsan ako naooffend sa sinasabi mo. I have modest gear because that's what I can afford and I worked hard for it and of course I love it. (I also make money out of it) I am speaking on behalf of almost 75% of people here in PhilMusic. Respect begets respect. Oh by the way, I also have a Toyota and we did magical things together. Lol. Go easy on the comments Dude.  :)
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: abyssinianson on March 16, 2012, 04:34:48 AM
Oh by the way, I also have a Toyota and we did magical things together. Lol. Go easy on the comments Dude.  :)

nothing wrong with toyota man (i've got a lexus but its got toyota guts) and they're reliable haha. i'd rather have low insurance payments and reliability to spend cash on other stuff.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 05:04:11 AM
nothing wrong with toyota man (i've got a lexus but its got toyota guts) and they're reliable haha. i'd rather have low insurance payments and reliability to spend cash on other stuff.
I know right? I'm just quoting our good friend firemodel here.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 16, 2012, 07:43:01 AM
Hey Alex. You are one of the few people here that I look up to because of the gear and ears that you have. I appreciate that you are after the sake of people to know what a good sounding gear is. But honestly, your comments tend to become sarcastic and offensive to people who does not have your spending power. We all know that you have possibly the best gear here in PM or maybe in the whole country but please sir, try to say things nicely. Minsan ako naooffend sa sinasabi mo. I have modest gear because that's what I can afford and I worked hard for it and of course I love it. (I also make money out of it) I am speaking on behalf of almost 75% of people here in PhilMusic. Respect begets respect. Oh by the way, I also have a Toyota and we did magical things together. Lol. Go easy on the comments Dude.  :)

I love Toyotas as utilitarian vehicles.  They are great at that but not exciting in my opinion.  By the way, you don't NEED my spending power to have great gear.  I am not even concerned with a person's spending power but rather the wrong things said about tone and the endorsement of lousy local and imported gear.  Moreover, if you go back to my statements more than spending power, I have emphasized the EAR and the ability of some manufacturers to HEAR better than others because of their exposure to guitar music than unfortunately, I have to say cannot be matched by ANYONE in the Philippines.  Therefore, I DO NOT BELIEVE that tone and great sounding gear is KANYA KANYA lang.  There's just one problem with this people who claim that -- they have NOT experienced great sounding gear.  And thats why my statements tend to be stronger.  Iyan ang problema ng Pinoy -- ayaw umamin.  Case in point: halos walang uma-amin sa forum na ito na panget ang tone or equipment nila yet pag tingnan mo sa Classifieds halos lahat ng may ID dito ay mayroon or nagkaroon ng item for sale.

 I can more or less pick a good sounding American Standard strat that will beat most custom shops Fenders and anything less in Tom Lee for you if you want.  I have some luck at Perfect Pitch Buendia if and only if a new batch has arrived.  I have done this service for some people for free.  But I say it like it is.  And I always think that somebody has better sounding gear than I -- always maybe NOT in this country but somewhere abroad.  (P.S. By the way, still no luck with Ibanez however.)

I appreciate your honesty and I thank you for it.  Someone else advised me recently NOT to care for the people on this forum because he felt its not worth it and life is too short.  For him, I should not spend the time nor the effort kasi ayaw ng pinoy ang basagan ng trip.  To a certain extent,  I am starting to believe it too.  Give or Take that I only have 1/3 of my life left and if this forum cannot accept short cuts/advice whether direct or indirect, sarcastic or charming, courteous or abrasive from me then I rather NOT spend any amount of my life remaining with me on the people here.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: guitarbrat on March 16, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
1/3 of your life? Don't say that bro. Were not born with expiration dates.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: blacktele on March 16, 2012, 08:22:12 AM
FM, you're my guy. Don't be bothered. Just feel free to express your art.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 16, 2012, 08:42:07 AM
Therefore, I DO NOT BELIEVE that tone and great sounding gear is KANYA KANYA lang.  There's just one problem with this people who claim that -- they have NOT experienced great sounding gear.  And thats why my statements tend to be stronger.  Iyan ang problema ng Pinoy -- ayaw umamin.  Case in point: halos walang uma-amin sa forum na ito na panget ang tone or equipment nila yet pag tingnan mo sa Classifieds halos lahat ng may ID dito ay mayroon or nagkaroon ng item for sale.

agree. experience is always the best teacher. professionals get better and more refined through experience. standards are set higher through experience. the same is true with a musician's tonal palette.

I appreciate your honesty and I thank you for it.  Someone else advised me recently NOT to care for the people on this forum because he felt its not worth it and life is too short.  For him, I should not spend the time nor the effort kasi ayaw ng pinoy ang basagan ng trip.  To a certain extent,  I am starting to believe it too.  Give or Take that I only have 1/3 of my life left and if this forum cannot accept short cuts/advice whether direct or indirect, sarcastic or charming, courteous or abrasive from me then I rather NOT spend any amount of my life remaining with me on the people here.

agree as well. let the overly-sensitive and defensive forumites rant their butts off. there are still folks here who see the value of your posts and learn from them.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 10:52:41 AM
agree. experience is always the best teacher. professionals get better and more refined through experience. standards are set higher through experience. the same is true with a musician's tonal palette.

agree as well. let the overly-sensitive and defensive forumites rant their butts off. there are still folks here who see the value of your posts and learn from them.
Hey Mr. Sawsaw. Read my post, it's not a rant. It's more of an advice. Kiss @ss.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 16, 2012, 11:01:09 AM
Hey Mr. Sawsaw. Read my post, it's not a rant. It's more of an advice. Kiss @ss.

did i just mention overly sensitive people? and name calling. how low can you get?  :lol:

cool it down. i didn't quote your post in the first place. if you backread a bit, there are a lot of OT posts.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 11:06:47 AM
did i just mention overly sensitive people? and name calling. how low can you get?  :lol:

cool it down. i didn't quote your post in the first place. if you backread a bit, there are a lot of OT posts.
You did not quote me instead you quoted fm55's reply to my post. So what does that mean? Geez. Easy ka lang din.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: indiemaxx on March 16, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
Hey Alex. You are one of the few people here that I look up to because of the gear and ears that you have. I appreciate that you are after the sake of people to know what a good sounding gear is. But honestly, your comments tend to become sarcastic and offensive to people who does not have your spending power.


hagree teh..'
pero baka nga ganun lang talaga sya mag comment din..
sanayan lang   8-)
 
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 16, 2012, 11:12:53 AM
You did not quote me instead you quoted fm55's reply to my post. So what does that mean? Geez. Easy ka lang din.

he quoted your post = he was talking to you. i quoted his post = i was talking to him.

i don't have to go easy on anything or anyone. i wasn't the one who resorted to name-calling.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gyrome on March 16, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
Para sakin, effective pag agresibo at prangka ang teacher. Yun nga lang, iba't-iba ang klase ng istudyante..
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
he quoted your post = he was talking to you. i quoted his post = i was talking to him.

i don't have to go easy on anything or anyone. i wasn't the one who resorted to name-calling.
Pffft. Ok. Whatever you say sir!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 16, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
Hey Mr. Sawsaw. Read my post, it's not a rant. It's more of an advice. Kiss @ss.

Joel,

Baka naman maxi did not mean you to be one of those mentioned... mukhang in general naman ang context ang mga iba diyan at hindi ikaw.  Please remain friends with Maxi because life is too short for us to have enemies.

alex
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 16, 2012, 12:21:00 PM
what about the chemo thing FM55??? are you really undergoing treatment???  :oops:
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
Joel,

Baka naman maxi did not mean you to be one of those mentioned... mukhang in general naman ang context ang mga iba diyan at hindi ikaw.  Please remain friends with Maxi because life is too short for us to have enemies.

alex
I agree Alex. Thanks. Peace out Maxi.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 16, 2012, 01:34:22 PM
Joel,

Baka naman maxi did not mean you to be one of those mentioned... mukhang in general naman ang context ang mga iba diyan at hindi ikaw.  Please remain friends with Maxi because life is too short for us to have enemies.

alex

it's no biggie, really. i've had worse.  :-D

I agree Alex. Thanks. Peace out Maxi.

peace bro!  :)
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: freemansj on March 16, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
it's no biggie, really. i've had worse.  :-D

peace bro!  :)

Awwwww....  Kapayapaan.   :-D
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: Jason on March 16, 2012, 02:03:19 PM
Sarap lets just make music.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gainsucker on March 16, 2012, 02:12:47 PM
ok yan, PEACE lagi  :wave:

kanya kanyang trip lang yan, pagdating sa passion for music, sama sama pa rin.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: firemodel55 on March 16, 2012, 02:18:50 PM
what about the chemo thing FM55??? are you really undergoing treatment???  :oops:

Just finished about two months ago but I have to undergo close monitoring...  will fly to Singapore for 2nd opinion on monitoring process.
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 16, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Quote
Just finished about two months ago but I have to undergo close monitoring...  will fly to Singapore for 2nd opinion on monitoring process.

Im pretty sure all will be well! Keep on rocking man!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 16, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
Just finished about two months ago but I have to undergo close monitoring...  will fly to Singapore for 2nd opinion on monitoring process.
You'll be fine Alex. Sisiw sayo yan!
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: slowspeeder on March 16, 2012, 02:49:18 PM
im in this path of slowing down too..

when i was still in the university, i play a lot. i had terrible gears then.

now, i work a lot. play very little. got my dream gears.

its not a perfect world. <_<
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: Filippo on March 16, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
Just finished about two months ago but I have to undergo close monitoring...  will fly to Singapore for 2nd opinion on monitoring process.

Good luck with that Alex! Hoping for a good outcome
Title: Re: GAS slowdown
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 10, 2017, 12:53:22 PM
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