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Offline 24242009

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can you consider yourself as a musician if....
« on: October 12, 2009, 10:19:36 AM »
Can you consider yourself as a musician if you cant write your own tunes? Well a lot of guitarist claim they are "artist", but being an artist is not copying other's music. Some even claim that they are a "great" guitarist since according to them, they "know a lot of songs" and look down on other guitarist as if ther are the masters of the guitar world. what is the true essence of being a musician? is it that the quantity of copied materials?or the beauty of creating ones tunes? Well it is a fact that Jimi Hendrix songs are all original!!!

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 10:42:21 AM »
Well a lot of guitarist claim they are "artist", but being an artist is not copying other's music.

Not necessarily.  You have to make a distinction between copying and rendering.  Making an exact or near exact likeness of an original, whether it be in the realm of music, graphic arts, etc., is no different from a photocopier doing its job.  The essence of an artist's craft lies in the fact that he either takes an original or un-original concept and gives it his own personal "flavor".  The fact that the concept is original or not is of no significance.  What is important is the added-value the artist has given to the concept which is his or hers alone.  Oh yeah, not all of Hendrix's songs were original.  "All Along the Watchtower" is an old Bob Dylan staple.  Does Jimi's doing an un-original piece make him less of an artist/musician?  I don't think so.  His version of "Watchtower" was quite distinct from Dylan, and Dave Matthews' version as well was quite distinct from Dylan and Hendrix's version (some people even mistake DM's version as a "Stairway to Heaven" clone).  It's the personal contribution that sets the artist apart from the machine.

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 11:04:14 AM »
It poetry, as with other arts, imitation is the best form of flattery for the original artist - hence the prevalence of forms such as parody, covers, remakes, adaptions and er-interpretations. Interestingly Bob Dylan seems to have a dismissive shake-yer-head attitude about covers of his songs becoming more famous than his originals, I didn't see him dissing on the other artists that covered him.

Creativity to me and artistry (ergo including being a musician) isn't limited to creation from without, but also from within. Potah ang lalim senscia na po nadala lang... anyway point is may compo ka or cover, if there's the same effort on your part to re-interpret, re-arrange and express some new idea out of the old or out of nothing, musikero ka pa rin. May pinaghuhugutan yan mga 'tol.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 11:13:58 AM »
if you are to consider willie nepomuceno, michael v, weird al yankovic among the few that i can think of, you'd agree that being an artist doesn't necessarily mean you have to create your own music but rather obvious being creative is a significant factor.  putting a dash of your own seasoning or as jaco d would put it, your own flavor, i maysay can do magic.  :wink:
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 11:53:33 AM »
Huli mo bro! exactamundo! ALthough merong feeling creative already even if its not much effort really. What if straight cover as in placado... no creativity involved but strict adherence to the original? isn't that artistry din? So musician ka pa rin!
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 12:11:43 PM »

if you play anything musical, from tansans or rocks, to sitars, you are still a musician.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 12:15:07 PM »
if you play anything musical, from tansans or rocks, to sitars, you are still a musician.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »
dapat may konting lasa para ok  :-D
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 01:43:42 PM »
an artist for me
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 01:52:35 PM »
if you play music, you are a musician, as simple as that

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 01:54:54 PM »
may pagkakaiba ba ang musician sa artist?

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 02:17:07 PM »
may pagkakaiba ba ang musician sa artist?

parang actor and thespian ano hehehehe  :wink:
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 02:17:42 PM »
Musician parin, kasi you're making music.  Kanya kanyang trip lang yan, some just get by with playing covers, and some love creating songs.  Mas may weight para sakin ang originals - pero maganda pa rin syempre you don't get stuck with one aspect.  Now kung may ibang gitarista na maangas (marami nyan hehe), yaan mo lang, you can't please everyone.  Medyo may angst ka yata ah...  :-P
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 03:29:23 PM »
musician, artist, singer, songwriter.... these are just terms

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 03:37:45 PM »
@jacod and parimari, yes I understand that. In reality musicians get inspirations from each others work as a part of evolution. Well in the 80's a member of the Beegees who used to sing love songs and disco tunes has a song inspired by new wave/dance its caled "boys do fall in love". My main point here is that some guitarist claim to be a guitar God because they know a lot of songs. where is the glory in copying??, well copying (covering songs in general) in my opinion is imitation and also a form of expression. a lot of revivals has a personal touch in it. .. and also listening to others music widens ones horizon musically. that is why music is evoloving constantly, as well as guitar playing.

thinking about the future of guitars is quite exciting, a lot of people will definitely come up with great tunes...I just dont know who in this decade can be the next Jimi hendrix, but a lot of good guitarist was inspired and thanks to him.

Elvis Presley for example, do cover a lot of songs in his entire career. But as a guitarist, Able to emulate slash guitar solo is something, but able to make your own guitar solo is monumental.

musician as defined "One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music" in short there is totality. If a band only sings cover songs its just a showband, but if it writes their own material for me they are real thing, most importantly a great guitarist can write the most beautiful guitar riffs with his guitar...thats why I salute the greatest guitarists of all time, jimi hendrix, george harrison, eric clapton, bb king...and the others because they wrote all those good stuffs and has helped shape the music and guitar today

if guitarist all around th eworld had not wrote at all, by  now i think we are all plyaing ukeleles playing the same tunes
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2009, 03:55:20 PM »
may pagkakaiba ba ang musician sa artist?

artist is so general kung musician in to music ka lang tlga hehehee
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2009, 03:58:12 PM »
artist is so general kung musician in to music ka lang tlga hehehee

yes I agree and all pertains to expression, just like: martial artist, grafitti artist, tatoo artist etc... whereas music is to music alone :)

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 04:06:28 PM »
Kaya ako Artist ako hehehehe di lang musician
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2009, 04:10:04 PM »
Music is an art.
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2009, 04:12:09 PM »
Hmmmm, bahala na sya dun kung ano gusto nya itawag sa sarili nya., haha., tawag ko sa sarili ko musician , haha, kahit wala pa ako nagagawa ni isa.,puro kopya lang,haha,

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2009, 05:25:44 PM »
ako mukhang artist-tah haha  :lol:

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2009, 07:32:15 PM »
ako mukhang artist-tah haha  :lol:

wow arkee!  artistahin  :-D  ako call it what ever you want  :wink:
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2009, 08:41:18 PM »
Can you consider yourself as a musician if you cant write your own tunes? Well a lot of guitarist claim they are "artist", but being an artist is not copying other's music. Some even claim that they are a "great" guitarist since according to them, they "know a lot of songs" and look down on other guitarist as if ther are the masters of the guitar world. what is the true essence of being a musician? is it that the quantity of copied materials?or the beauty of creating ones tunes? Well it is a fact that Jimi Hendrix songs are all original!!!

All great artists learned thier crafts by studying someone elses stuff at one point or another. How can you learn an art without something to study technicaly? being an artist involves learning through others to improve on your own... can you give one truly great artist who didn't study someone elses work first?

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 08:52:41 PM »
ako mukhang artist-tah haha  :lol:

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