Cybercrime Law

[weedurpart2]

I'm surprised no ones brought this up yet.

I'm so tempted to troll the shiit out of their FB page - Cybercrime Law goes in action, prematurely!

[rickbig41]

hehehe...parang premature nga yan...pasikat lang siguro mga kandidato...sa kalsada maraming totoong crime..wag sa internet... sana naman inayos muna yan.... 

[houdiniroyo]

Isang malaking kalokohan yan. Subukan nila implement yan, tingnan natin ano mangyari sa kanila online. Magagaya sila kay sotto XD




Eh ito nga binura na nila eh ... 


GUSTO KO ITO! 

[jamming_papu]

this would just push more people to go with an anonymous account in the internet. what a waste of human time and money.

edit: and if anyone is so thin and can't take bashes, criticism and an anything goes comment, they shouldn't be in the internet in the first place.

[globalwarmthings]

akala ko ba democracy tayo? 

[kurtcobainer]

MEDIA ADVISORY
Philippine Internet Freedom Alliance
1 October 2012

Philippine Internet Freedom Alliance Holds Black Tuesday Silent Protest
Against Cybercrime Prevention Act

What: The Philippine Internet Freedom Alliance (PIFA) composed of different organizations, netizens, and bloggers, will hold a silent protest

When: Tuesday, October 2, 11am

Where: Supreme Court of the Philippines

The group will be carrying plain black placards as a symbol of the curtailment of freedom of speech that the Cybercrime Prevention Act brought.

The protest will be joined by the organizations and individuals in the alliance: Freelance Writers Guild of the Philippines, Filipino Freethinkers, Dakila-Philippine Collective for Modern Heroism, Colaition for Reform, Partido Lakas ng Masa, The ProPinoy Project, Pinoy Expats/OFW Blog Awards, Inc., blogger and editor of Blog Watch Noemi Lardizabal-Dado, Music.ph’s Jim Ayson, and blogger Carlo Ople.

[skrumian]

Isang malaking kalokohan yan. Subukan nila implement yan, tingnan natin ano mangyari sa kanila online. Magagaya sila kay sotto XD




Eh ito nga binura na nila eh ... 


GUSTO KO ITO! 

Statement: The Philippine National Police on their official website and Facebook account, October 1, 2012
Statement of Chief Superintendent Generoso R. Cerbo Jr.:
On the official Philippine National Police Facebook account and website

[Released on October 1, 2012]

The PNP categorically denies any official connection to a message which appeared in one particular Facebook account found by many to be offensive, threatening, and malicious. For one, official statements of the PNP, to include press releases, intended for public consumption, are published in digital form through our PNP official website, www.pnp.gov.ph, or Facebook under the account name facebook.com/pnp.pio. Further, said official statements can be released individually to our media friends both in hard and digital copies in the name of the PNP Public Information Office. We shall have this incident investigated ASAP. You will be updated on the developments.

http://www.gov.ph/2012/10/01/statement-the-philippine-national-police-on-their-official-website-and-facebook-account-october-1-2012/

[rockophoria]

dont bash me.. but I am actually in support of this law.. 

gusto ko makita kung paano nila ipapatupad to tapos kung papaano nila huhulihin yung mga magpopost ng libelous comments..

again be lenient on me 

[skrumian]

I am too in support of this bill.

Most people do not even know the difference between freedom of speech and libel. Yeah, they have a thin line of difference and libel cases are being used to harass journalist. Nonetheless, the Supreme Court has already made a clear definition about the two.

IMHO, if you want to decriminalize libel, then you need to repeal the Revised Penal Code. People are barking in the wrong tree eh.

I can't wait to see how the SC will junk all the petitions against the Cybercrime law.

[brighteyesbayside]

i'm a little indifferent about this bill.
some time ago, people wanted atleast some kind of cybercrime bill.

now we have one, this is how people react. people are weird.

now this, i'm a bit concerned.
http://www.interaksyon.com/infotech/phl-cybercrime-law-say-goodbye-to-torrent-and-file-sharing

hmmmmhhh.
what if the person/entity wants to share its files for free.
people are smart also, im sure someone would find a hole out of this.

besides, hardly any filipino seeds local films. hmmp. maybe someone should

[skrumian]

^^if it is a personal file or a file without copyright, then you have no liability.

Of course, if the file is a copyrighted work, then that will be a problem. Besides, is there any government who had supported piracy?

[rockophoria]

I am too in support of this bill.

Most people do not even know the difference between freedom of speech and libel. Yeah, they have a thin line of difference and libel cases are being used to harass journalist. Nonetheless, the Supreme Court has already made a clear definition about the two.

IMHO, if you want to decriminalize libel, then you need to repeal the Revised Penal Code. People are barking in the wrong tree eh.

I can't wait to see how the SC will junk all the petitions against the Cybercrime law.

yep.. isa sa mga ayaw ko sa internet is kung papaano ang nagiging takbo ng mga conversations.. minsan komo nagreply ka lang na hindi ka agree sa isang bagay eh kung ano ano na itatawag sayo, ili-lynch ka na agad pag you are on the contrary.. iinsultuhin ka pa palibhasa kasi wala ka naman magagawa sa isang internet forum or chatboard kundi gumanti lang din ng insulto so ang nangyayari nawawalan ng essence yung conversation.. puro gaguhan puro kupalan.. hanggang sa pagtitripan ka na sa internet pagtutulungan ka pati picture mo gagamitin na.

this things should be kept in check, malaya nga tayo pero freedom is not absolute, sabi nga ng isang columnist sa the philippine star eh: "The essence of freedom is best appreciated within the defining frame of its limitations"..

problema kasi sa ibang tao "abusado" sa freedom na ibinigay satin ng democracy.. ako aminado ako, I enjoy bashing people in the net.. BUT not until they bash me first, I enjoy a civilized intellectual conversation pero may mga tukmol sa internet na komo hindi sila agree sa opinion mo ito-troll ka na.. lalaitin ka na kung ano ano na itatawag sayo.. ang malupit pa nun gamit mo yung real profile mo tapos yung mga [avocado] sayo nagtatago sa isang anonymous profile.

kaya I will support this law.. wala naman akong problema on obeying the law, mas ok nga eh dahil magiging responsable na ang mga tao sa mga ipopost or sasabihin nila sa internet.

[jamming_papu]

dont bash me.. but I am actually in support of this law.. 

gusto ko makita kung paano nila ipapatupad to tapos kung papaano nila huhulihin yung mga magpopost ng libelous comments..

again be lenient on me 

There is no problem in the the first draft of this law. It's all about protecting the net from hacking, squatting in domains and restricting unauthorized access which is all good. However, the final approved version suddenly becomes very different. There is a section that provides the goverment power to monitor the data flow of users. This could be used to invade user privacy. And of course, it includes sections for online libel and higher punishment with it, which was added by someone who doesn't know how to use citations in important public articles and statements. The libel section is so vague and has no safeguard based on the possibilites that can happen in real cyberspace situation. A lot of media people and notable internet people realizes this and that is why the local internet community is reacting violently. If only this was properly consulted with the public and the respective persons in authority who has enough knowledge, things would have been more pleasant today.

[skrumian]

this is basically why I am for this law.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/274156/scitech/socialmedia/cyberbullying-a-victim-s-tale-of-lies-and-the-madness-of-crowds

freedom should also have accountability.

[rockophoria]

There is no problem in the the first draft of this law. It's all about protecting the net from hacking, squatting in domains and restricting unauthorized access which is all good. However, the final approved version suddenly becomes very different. There is a section that provides the goverment power to monitor the data flow of users. This could be used to invade user privacy. And of course, it includes sections for online libel and higher punishment with it, which was added by someone who doesn't know how to use citations in important public articles and statements. The libel section is so vague and has no safeguard based on the possibilites that can happen in real cyberspace situation. A lot of media people and notable internet people realizes this and that is why the local internet community is reacting violently. If only this was properly consulted with the public and the respective persons in authority who has enough knowledge, things would have been more pleasant today.

actually nabasa ko yung final draft.. and it says there na hindi kailangan ng warrant ang pag monitor ng "live" data sa internet.. meaning pag may reklamo na pwede ka na imonitor (surveillance) ng NBI pero I read there na yung ibang data (new/old or archived sa HD) at anything na hindi na mamomonitor in real time at kailangan na i-retrieve physically eh ang kailangan na ng warrant.

yep tama ka yung libel clause ang mejo vague, ang sinasabi lang dun eh yung mismong libel law natin.. so anything na nakasulat sa articles ng libel eh na violate mo with your posts online eh pwede ka ng kasuhan.. so it makes us wonder na kung alam mo na ang libel law eh gagawin mo pa bang i-violate yun?

siguro natatakot yung mga nasanay magsalita freely at mag criticize freely in the world wide web kahit walang evidences or valid sources.. altho mejo nakakatakot nga talaga yung libel clause dun eh I chose to support it to bring back discipline dun sa mga taong puro daldal lang at wala namang katotohanan yung mga sinasabi.. yung mga mahilig manira ng puri sa internet, mambatikos ng tao na wala namang basis.. actually all of them.

[skrumian]

There is a section that provides the goverment power to monitor the data flow of users. This could be used to invade user privacy.

As per Section 12. Real-time Collection of Traffic Data, Chapter IV  of  RA 10175, I believe a "due cause" is necessary for this. Which means, a court warrant is necessary.

And of course, it includes sections for online libel and higher punishment with it, which was added by someone who doesn't know how to use citations in important public articles and statements. The libel section is so vague and has no safeguard based on the possibilites that can happen in real cyberspace situation. A lot of media people and notable internet people realizes this and that is why the local internet community is reacting violently. If only this was properly consulted with the public and the respective persons in authority who has enough knowledge, things would have been more pleasant today.

Personally, if you will just be a responsible netizens, you shouldn't fear libel. Before you click, you need to think. Besides, there will surely be a jurisprudence by the Supreme Court that will clarify things up.

[rockophoria]

Personally, if you will just be a responsible netizens, you shouldn't fear libel. Before you click, you need to think. Besides, there will surely be a jurisprudence by the Supreme Court that will clarify things up.

this.. tapos ang argumento

[jamming_papu]

^ I think the meaning of a "published statement" has to be defined muna na kasama na ang internet as a medium. Old school libel is more on print media in papers with an author and a publisher, or a media man under a tv/radio company. The internet as we know is very different and has a culture of its own. Sa tingin ko kailangan muna i-define yun. A libel needs a the person suing and a respondent charged. Example, If they sue a blog using written by username guess-who-am-i-lulz and a blogsite, how do you get the author? What kind of evidences will be accepted? Will the blogsite be accountable? Things like that.

^^if it is a personal file or a file without copyright, then you have no liability.

Of course, if the file is a copyrighted work, then that will be a problem. Besides, is there any government who had supported piracy?

This was just last week. http://torrentfreak.com/file-sharing-for-personal-use-declared-legal-in-portugal-120927/ 

[skrumian]

This was just last week. http://torrentfreak.com/file-sharing-for-personal-use-declared-legal-in-portugal-120927/ 

the article said only the prosecutors dropped the case. so it is not yet the court who ruled it so the complainant can still  file for motion or elevate the case to the court.

but "for personal use" yeah it might be. just think of the copyright clause on books na kapag personal use eh ayos lang eh reproduce. but i guess for movies, software or other computer products might be different. well i just leave it to the courts to decide and make jurisprudence out of this.

[jamming_papu]

^ well, at least for now spared ang Portugal peeps for prosecution. That specific story is worth following. On topic related to that case, kung ISP lang ang hawak na evidence, would that suffice to sue and pursue someone? Our new law makes a lot of questions than answers as it may seems. In my opinion, I think our Cybercrime law is just not-ready-yet and totally half-baked.

[houdiniroyo]

There is no problem in the the first draft of this law. It's all about protecting the net from hacking, squatting in domains and restricting unauthorized access which is all good. However, the final approved version suddenly becomes very different. There is a section that provides the goverment power to monitor the data flow of users.

Google nga tinanggal na yung ability to extract IP addresses freely from Google Analytics eh (well, I still extract IP Addresses from my visitors but  it's against Google's TOS...) Tapos sila kukunin nila yung IP address ng mga tao at paiimbistegahan pa LOL mas malupit pa sila sa Google kung ganun  Patawa talaga itong bill na ito. Napaka-vague, mabilisang ipinasa at siyempre hindi na naman maipapatupad ng maayos katulad ng sandamakmak na batas sa Pinas.

[houdiniroyo]

this is basically why I am for this law.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/274156/scitech/socialmedia/cyberbullying-a-victim-s-tale-of-lies-and-the-madness-of-crowds

freedom should also have accountability.

Nandiyan na tayo sa mga issue na ganyan. Problema kasi, masyadong maraming troll na ginagawa lang talaga libangan ang mangupal online... trip-trip kumbaga. Dito lang sa forum eh sandamakmak na ang troll eh, minsan may malisya minsan wala naman talaga. Uunahin mo pa ba ikulong yang mga yan kaysa sa mga holdaper, carnapper, drug pushers at jueteng lords? Meron pang clause about Cyber Porn diyan, eh yung pinakamalalaking "porn house" dun sa Quezon Ave di nga nila ginagalaw ilang dekada na yun dun...

Sayang ang resources dito

[ierofan]

#OccupySupremeCourt

[skrumian]

i believe most people are worried how the executive branch (PNP, NBI, DOJ) would implement it.

For me, what's important is how the judiciary will rule over cyber related cases.

[officebiker]

I am imaginig this scene in my head: Full geared cops breaking down doors on cheap ass internet cafes..." Taas kamay! yang nasa computer number 4 naninira ng puri sa internet! sumama ka samin! iposas yan! "