Sorry wala ako pang video. I got it on SALE because nobody wanted to buy it. Don't know why.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted a Tama Starclassic Bubinga MIJ but the local dealer was sluggish about the inquiry with Tama Japan being as slow in reply -- a whopping month on the first inquiry. Only to find out that they did NOT produce or export MIJs to the Philippines other than the STAR line.
I was considering the STAR line but they did not offer the 22x20 kick drum. And was as pricey as DW. It also seemed that the STAR line was more targeted to jazz specially with the bearing edges to be more rounded. But when the dealer knocked the price down, along with the MATURE RATING finish (heh heh), I could not resist this DW kit.
If I compare this DW kit to the Tama Starclassic Bubinga MIJ, I think DW has better sense of aesthetic and finishing. In terms of sound, this kit sounds bigger than the Tama Starclassic Bubinga MIJ at Audiophile Cubao with the exception of the kick drum.
The DW kick drum is very tight and deep. Not really a loud kick drum for some reason but solid. That being said, I am using a Tama John Tempesta snare with the kit. I love it more than DW snares but that's just me.
Now as to what Drum Kit will age well, only time will tell.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: bulok on May 12, 2015, 07:16:22 PM
"First Beginner's Kit" :idea:
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: NATSBRATS on May 12, 2015, 09:40:16 PM
Oh my a F1 Car for a novice racer.... :) :) :) :) :) Nice kit sir sana may part two na!!! hehehe :wave:
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on May 12, 2015, 11:33:21 PM
Alex, what happened to your plan of a craviotto kit?
nice job getting the DW. just not a fan of the fire finish hahaha doesnt show of the wonderful grains of the good wood used. hahaha
Parked... Not sure if Craviotto shells would survive the port congestion of about close to 60 days in a container van. So, I decided to postpone until next year. heh heh. I spent part of the money to make sure that I have a beginner's kit to practice on which is this kit.
On the other hand, DW felt that their shells would survive because of their Cool Tempered process plus they also felt the paint job would survive the heat.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on May 13, 2015, 12:16:25 PM
Parked... Not sure if Craviotto shells would survive the port congestion of about close to 60 days in a container van. So, I decided to postpone until next year. heh heh. I spent part of the money to make sure that I have a beginner's kit to practice on which is this kit.
On the other hand, DW felt that their shells would survive because of their Cool Tempered process plus they also felt the paint job would survive the heat.
nice. either way, the DW is a good kit. have fun man. hahaha cymbals naman next investment!
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: gandydancer123 on May 13, 2015, 12:48:31 PM
Parked... Not sure if Craviotto shells would survive the port congestion of about close to 60 days in a container van. So, I decided to postpone until next year. heh heh. I spent part of the money to make sure that I have a beginner's kit to practice on which is this kit.
On the other hand, DW felt that their shells would survive because of their Cool Tempered process plus they also felt the paint job would survive the heat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maven
FM is trully a gear maven.. :)
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: harugrugrug on May 14, 2015, 12:04:38 AM
aattackihin ako sa puso,naalala ko lang yung isa kong beginner na student na binilan ng masterworks ng tatay.haha. videos sir! :-D
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: inigo on May 14, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
Not a beginner's kit, but why not? Congrats on the kit!
I wouldn't imagine that you'll bring in rare Spizzichinos because you're a metal guy, so I'll take a guess and say you'll get the hang of Meinl cymbals.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on May 14, 2015, 06:17:11 AM
aattackihin ako sa puso,naalala ko lang yung isa kong beginner na student na binilan ng masterworks ng tatay.haha. videos sir! :-D
Naku, kailangan pala ako maging student mo para bilhan ako ng tatay ko ng Craviotto. heh heh. But seriously, as mentioned, I wanted a cheaper TAMA. I was just lucky enough that nobody wanted this finish. That being said, its nice to look at it in person.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on May 14, 2015, 07:59:30 AM
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: sonicassault on May 14, 2015, 08:23:02 AM
damn that grain looks nice!
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: nairazc621 on May 14, 2015, 08:57:24 AM
:eek: , beginner kit pyan? lol btw congrats sa kit sir, at magkano po na gasto nyo lahat dyan sir? kasama pod shipping etc? :? interesado rin kasi sana ako.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: nairazc621 on May 14, 2015, 08:59:56 AM
:eek: , beginner kit pyan? lol btw congrats sa kit sir, at magkano po na gasto nyo lahat dyan sir? kasama pod shipping etc? :? interesado rin kasi sana ako.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 14, 2015, 10:29:55 AM
post pics of the cymbals! :D
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on May 14, 2015, 11:39:46 AM
Since I decided this to be a Hard Rock / Metal Kit, I decided to stick with Paiste Signatures and Rudes. I have some Mienl Rides that I am keeping awaiting extra stands.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on June 10, 2015, 06:29:46 PM
Congratz man... already tuned? and how much... Ganda niya.
The Bass drums were already tuned and muffled out of the box. The toms I tuned with TUNE BOT. The tops were tuned to the resonant frequency of the shell as specified by DW and the bottom heads were tuned a major third above the top heads.
All in all, I spent around US8k for the drums including shipping. Price of snare drums, stands, throne and cymbals not included yet.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: sonicassault on June 10, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
The Bass drums were already tuned and muffled out of the box. The toms I tuned with TUNE BOT. The tops were tuned to the resonant frequency of the shell as specified by DW and the bottom heads were tuned a major third above the top heads.
All in all, I spent around US8k for the drums including shipping. Price of snare drums, stands, throne and cymbals not included yet.
USD8,000 plus stands and other hardware... :cry:
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 11, 2015, 09:43:23 AM
Alex, I now have 2 reasons to visit you, 1. to test your toneful guitars and amps, 2. to hear the fires from your drumset!
hope my my previous invite still stands :D
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: peeves24 on June 11, 2015, 10:19:00 AM
and can i join? :-D
dalin ko mapex saturn for side by side comparison
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 11, 2015, 11:21:40 AM
Normally, I am not into these things. My primary reason for buying this snare drum is to match the black rims of my drumset. But it proved to be better sounding than my Tama John Tempesta Snare!!!
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on July 12, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
My two cents worth of review and key learnings with regards to drums:
This specific DW set and snare sound great and despite the dominant imagery of DW as a drum set for pop, country, fusion, etc. anything except metal. This set proves otherwise. When tuned to the resonant frequency of the shells, the Drum Set sounds huge and responsive. The 22x20 bass drums are exactly what they should sound like for a double bass set up. No EQ needed. I repeat... No EQ needed. They sound punchy and deliver a solid THUD every time. The snare is thick sounding with a built in reverb effect that makes your snare drum sound huge. I use DW9000 hardware and I like them because they are ultimately adjustable and friendly to use. It feels that DW made sure that their hardware is designed to adapt to you instead of otherwise. Moreover, contrary to popular opinion, the thicker 9000 series allows you to use the numerous attachments of DW which I realized would just be too dangerous on thinner DW hardware. DW MDDs are just the best period. It is the most responsive pedal ever made to this date (not surprising given that its the newest) but surprising given that it delivers on all promises in this day and age where people think tama and pearl drum pedals, trick are the most advanced in design. DW beats them in the feel department. I was pleasantly surprised and I give this set and purchase experience a 9.5 out of 10.
Key Learnings (Controversial in nature): 1. Japanese Drums are inferior in sound to Top Tier USA and European Drums. Yup, thats right. This is what I learnt in Japan where the Japanese themselves think of pearl, tama, yamaha as the toyotas, mitsubishis and nissans. What did it for me, was the ICON snare matching up with the DW collector's kit. Americans and Europeans, like guitar amps, just voice their drum sets much better. 2. All high end drum models of a brand will start to sound similar -- not true. Japanese drums tend to be more trebly and thin which people think is great for cut thru specially metal. But in the end, its fatiguing and just not musical. If you need to adjust your choice of drum set to cut thru a thick guitar sound mix, that only means your guitarists are using crappy guitars and amps. Tell them to change their equipment. 3. I wanted to like Tama but they ain't just as musical as DW collector's. I just realized I hated how Ibanez sounds and now realized why I cannot seem to like the sound of Tama despite what my mind wants to. If you really want Japanese, the more high end brands -- which is really mid tier in japan are canopus and sakae. Low end talaga ang tama, pearl, and yamaha. For example, walang sinabi sa tunog ang high end the Yamaha sa high end ng Sakae or Canopus. By the way, Sakae used to make the high end of Yamaha. 4. If you want to buy Pearl, Tama or Yamaha. Buy in Japan and buy Made in Japan. They are equal in price to what the FUKED up Made in China and where ever else 'low priced' models of the local retailers. This was my biggest shock. The P36,000 (cash discount already applied) Tama John Tempesta only costs P19,000 brand new in Japan. 5. Of course, in ANY brand, there are stars and duds among drumsets. But on the average USA made Gretsch, USA made DW collectors, and German made Sonor will sound more musical. You owe it to yourself to try them and buy them (if you can save up for them). Most of the music we listen to is of European and American in Nature, naturally the American and European Brands just get it right with voicing. 6. If you want a maple kit or at least a kit with a majority of maple plies, get a USA made set from Gretsch or DW. I believe they have better sourcing of maple than the Japanese for the simple reason that they are closer to the source and have first access to toneful maple. (This is conjecture on my part but like my experience in guitars, I believe it is so.) 7. DW is not only known for hardware but for finishes. And I have to say they have the best finish in terms of options and craftsmanship. 8. DW support material is excellent. You feel like a proud owner of a collector's edition. They give the impression that everything is thought of and never left to chance. 9. Like Guitar, its a function of money. Though some expensive stuff are not worth it or duds like the kitano titanium snare that I tried, generally, the more expensive sets deliver more not only the small details but generally the sound. 10. That being said, feel free to disregard Numbers 1-9. And just enjoy drumming.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: sonicassault on July 13, 2015, 08:52:39 AM
7. DW is not only known for hardware but for finishes. And I have to say they have the best finish in terms of options and craftsmanship.
Definitely. Most of the finishes they post on their facebook page are just really beautiful
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 13, 2015, 09:18:18 AM
^^^ I was gonna react on Alex's statement about a Gretsch sounding better than a pearl or tama. then i forgot, he said USA Made. HAHAHAHA
if it were the taiwan gretsch duds, i'd have to say otherwise. pearl or tama will def kick the gretsch out. and I'm not even gonna mention the lugs issue sa gretsch hahaha.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: firemodel55 on July 13, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
^^^ I was gonna react on Alex's statement about a Gretsch sounding better than a pearl or tama. then i forgot, he said USA Made. HAHAHAHA
if it were the taiwan gretsch duds, i'd have to say otherwise. pearl or tama will def kick the gretsch out. and I'm not even gonna mention the lugs issue sa gretsch hahaha.
On a positive note, USA made drums are really value for money compared to USA made Guitars. LOL. I mean one true historic Gibson is already equal to a set good quality toms and snare along with high end cymbals.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 13, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
On a positive note, USA made drums are really value for money compared to USA made Guitars. LOL. I mean one true historic Gibson is already equal to a good quality toms and snare along with high end cymbals.
true that hahaha dru gas usually revolves around snares. its hard to have numerous kits eh HAHAHA
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: inigo on July 13, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
10. That being said, feel free to disregard Numbers 1-9. And just enjoy drumming.
Brings a tear to my eye.
Title: Re: My First Beginner's Kit
Post by: harugrugrug on July 13, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
num 10 is the best. :-D all is personal preference,but i agree that dw pedals are better. still waiting for your intermediate kit,advance kit and professional kit,heheh :-D