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What grip do you use?

American
8 (24.2%)
French
5 (15.2%)
German
2 (6.1%)
Traditional
18 (54.5%)

Total Members Voted: 33

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Offline drumster

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2006, 12:53:39 PM »
I also play the accent on the first stroke most of the time.  Playing the accent on the second stroke seems like a good thing to practice.  I should try working on that...

Thomas Lang sure has a killer double stroke.  And I like the fact that he can effectively use it around his kit.

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2006, 01:01:53 PM »
Noobie ang tanong ko ha, pero diba mas madaling gawin yung 2nd stroke accent kapag Moeller ang gamit?

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2006, 01:08:36 PM »
I'm currently working on my Moeller strokes, and everything seems easier to do when applying its motions.  The second stroke accent on doubles reminds me of shuffles.

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2006, 01:21:41 PM »
Hmm.. ok... Off topic question: pwede ba gawin ang Moeller sa matched grip? Kung oo, paano?

At hanggang ngayon di ko pa gets kung paano ang tunog ng shuffles... Lagi bang doubles yun?

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2006, 01:29:25 PM »
Yes!  Pwede ang Moeller technique sa matched grip.  Steve Smith demonstrated it in his instructional DVD.

Paano?  How you do it with the right hand, it's the same with the left.


Regarding shuffles... There's a double-stroke application on many famous shuffle grooves.  For example, with Jeff Porcaro's Rosanna groove, the right hand is actually playing double strokes on the hi-hat.


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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2006, 01:46:03 PM »
Ok... kasi nakita ko yung technique nina Mayer at Waterson, parang exaggerated yung twisting ng wrists ng left hand nila. Mukhang ang hirap gayahin sa matched grip e.

Nahihiya ako, 7 years na akong pumapalo ngayon ko lang na-encounter ang Rosanna! Hehehe... Yan tuloy kinakapa ko pa.

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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2006, 01:58:05 PM »
shuffle - bernard purdie.

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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2006, 04:28:57 PM »
sir GEP.

shuffle groove. 1-ta-ta, 2-ta-ta, 3-ta-ta, 4-ta-ta
1st and 3rd beat sa hats and every second, snare.
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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2006, 04:47:35 PM »
what videos do u guys recommend to learn moeller technique? I've been hearing that technique alot but dont really understand how to do it properly...
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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2006, 05:38:51 PM »
^^^ get steve smith's dvd history of the us beat...he has the best explanation so far

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« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2006, 06:01:05 PM »
Ok! Saan ba pwede bilhin yan?

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« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2006, 08:57:34 PM »
I think simple lang naman yung moeller.

Sabi nga ni Papa dom, whipping motion sa wrist, let go of the stick. yun na yun.

Sa shuffle, ganun ba talaga sya na hat - ghost - hat (triplet ba to?).  Di ba shuffle din ang tawag pag 2 hat lang? hehe.  Tapos  Sa napanood ko sa nagsample ng rosanna, ginagawa nya sa first hit yung wood ng stick, then next yung tip ng stick. ganda pakinggan. ganun ang sinasanay ko ngayon. yugn /w ghost sa snare, di ko pa kaya.. hirap pa.

double stroke. balik sa topic.  ako, paragn sanay ako na sa first stroke maglagay ng accent. di ko sure kung madali ko magagawa sa 2nd stroke.

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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2006, 03:05:14 AM »
There's also this YouTube video upload of Tony Royster Jr. explaining the Moeller technique, which was taken from his Pure Energy instructional video.  He explained it pretty well without being over-technical.  Search for it. :wink:

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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2006, 06:32:56 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2006, 12:19:56 PM »
proper ba kung bounce un double stroke?
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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2006, 03:43:46 PM »
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proper ba kung bounce un double stroke?

hindi advisable yun sir. sabi nga ni weckl sa back 2 basic niya hindi ganun kabuo ang tunog pag nag bounce ka sa 2nd stroke.
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2006, 09:27:57 PM »
sa akin.. you let it bounce but at the same time bigyan mo ng konting pressure from your finger. that way even ang tunog ng 1st and second bounce.

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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2006, 09:46:04 PM »
dapat talaga may konting pressure yung 2nd stroke
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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2006, 10:20:23 PM »
Can you guys explain to me the moeller technique/stroke whatever?
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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2006, 10:40:31 PM »
watch derrick pope's video...free lesson yun  :)  yung link nasa first page
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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2006, 10:32:49 AM »
Ang practice ko ngayon sa pad, tap sa first stroke downward, then habang stiff yung thumb and index finger ko, wrist motion downward habang pataas ang kamay ko. Mas malakas nga ang second stroke.

Pakinggan niyo paano pumalo ng roll si McBrain sa "The Trooper" ng Iron Maiden. Emphasized yung second stroke.  :wink:

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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2006, 01:18:52 AM »
OT: Pano po ba madevelop yung parang pinapatalbog sa hihats or ride nung stick? isang kamay lang pero ang daming talbog. Pano po ba yun?
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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2006, 09:48:50 AM »
Quote from: manson
Hello Drummers! just a simple question... do u guys play double strokes accenting on the first or second stroke? i watched creative control by thomas lang and he accents on the 2nd stroke. it sounds better when played at a faster tempo.

just wondering if u guys do the same thing... thnks.



I practice my doubles in different ways..  accenting the first stroke, accenting the second, accenting both, no accents..  Magkakaiba naman kasi ang tunog nun lalo pag ginamit mo sa groove or sa snare drum solos.

Para mas may patutunguhan yung practice mo, get a good book!  I suggest Stone's "Stick control" & "Accents and Rebounds"  &  Joe Morello's "Master Studies."

Enjoy!   :)
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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2006, 10:29:00 AM »
Pa-scan na lang at upload ng mga books sir.

Anyway, nice drumset! Naalala ko si Steve Gadd diyan ha.  :wink:

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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2006, 11:02:17 AM »
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OT: Pano po ba madevelop yung parang pinapatalbog sa hihats or ride nung stick? isang kamay lang pero ang daming talbog. Pano po ba yun?


Kapareho lang ng push/pull technique. Una ko nakitang ginawa to sa drummer ng Rampqueen dati.  :D