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Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Deltaslim,
First to own talaga ako ng Baker B3 Fire Model which I lent out and shared to Miks in less than a week. First to own ka rin naman ng Tri-cone di ba? So whats the fuss about FIRST?
Hindi naman lang ako nagsasabi na "SPECIAL" and "BEST" ang gitara si Cliff Cultreri rin. Send your guitars to Cliff for him to assess. Basta alam ko aligned ako with Cliff. Ikaw nagbabago ka ng taste so you even have no right to criciticize what is considered SPECIAL or BEST because you cannot even define what you want know. Balikan mo na lang ako in 2 years pag nakadecision ka na sa gusto mo.
In fact, I can challenge all your deltaslim guitars versus the Baker#55. Kaso, hindi mo naman aaminin kung mas maganda ang baker. Talk about GAS, you should talk about it because you are the one who keeps changing gear.
Stop picking on the Baker#55, if you cannot answer the three questions I asked you. Courtesy lang po. Ikaw naman ang nagpapapansin sa thread na ito.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 16, 2007, 03:42:08 PM
Relax lang kayo. Here is a better way to explain things.
1. People want to own expensive stuff because in MOST cases, they beat their cheaper counterparts. Ever wondered why Toyota and nissan never wins against Ferrari during the F1 races? 2. People want to own expensive stuff because chances are, you'll have more unique stuff. Status symbol if I may put it correctly. 3. Expensive stuff = pogi points
Now let us redefine "EXPENSIVE". I don't understand why people keep yakking that a $3k axe is considered expensive if a violin bow meant for professional use, which is made out of a long plank of wood and horse hair, can cost $2k.
Walang Nissan sa F1 bro :) Mother company lang nila yung andun, Renault :)
Then again, "expensive" is subjective. It's also a touchy subject here in the Philippines that's why there's a "more expensive = macho/pogi points/popular" way of thinking even in gear acquisition. While it's also true that the more expensive products are the ones that sound excellent, it's kind of wrong to maintain this kind of mentality. I think to think that way is shallow. The tone and performance you are getting should be the thing to consider and not the price tag or the prestige of owning such material things.
It's sad that not a lot of musicians here can experience owning expensive guitars, amps and pedals that can deliver the goods but there are also less expensive, yet great-sounding (or at least very workable ) pieces of equipment out there. It's just harder to find them with less funds on hand.
I believe that "delivering the goods" doesn't end with getting the best equipment out there, whether it may be signature or not. It's a must for each musician to get good equipment to potentially sound great but we HAVE to know how to efficiently use that potential to maximize all the money spent on buying them. How do we do that? By practicing and inproving our skills in playing, tweaking and maintaining our beloved instruments. Take for example another music instrument: the human voice. Some are really gifted with the perfect combination of body organs (throat, lungs, diaphragm, esophagus, etc.) to have an excellent singing voice but if those persons don't practice how to effectively control all those supposedly-perfect organs to sing, then those with inferior (but still good) organs who practice properly and observe proper maintenance of their bodies will definitely spew out better sounding notes, falcettos and what-have-you.
Relating it to the thread topic, artists with signature gear endorsements worked their way to get their personal "tone heaven." Merely buying expensive signature or uber-customized equipment won't quite get you there but it's a requirement to get good ones at least and to to have the right tools (e.g. skills) to use them effectively (unless you're contented with playing glorious A5 or open E chords and nothing else). And yes, I maintain my stand that signature guitars, amps and pedals aren't all that and should be subject to the same scrutiny.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 04:07:08 PM
Glassjaw,
1) Yes it has a very subtle but noticeable chorus effect which differs from a chorus because it sounds more natural. How much more? For me in comparison to other guitars, its between mayroon at wala. Ito mayroon. Is it just root or Octave? Combination of others too. It just sounds pleasing even on clean. 2) Attack is defined thereby making your playing more defined -- and I don't mean just trebly. You can make people hear your pick hitting the string if you want. 3) How many times more louder is defined by how hard you want to pick and how fast or slow you want to bend. It differs at every fret. This guitar just does it way more so than others. Punchy and Powerful enough even on a clean amp. Just for reference, with the Lollars which were not high output, I found myself pulling back and reducing the gain of my amps by 50%. 4) After playing and sustaining a chord, you can immediately shift to a single note riff or lick without being drowned by the remaining sustaining notes/strings of the chord. 5) The bend release is more vocal like the sweep of a good wah wah pedal. 6) When plugged it is not solely the responsiblity of the pickups to balance volume. Kaya adjustable ang poles ng pickups kasi di mo ma-adjust ang string balance ng kahoy. It is not just the pickup's reponsibility to balance all strings but rather the wood's. A pickup is just like a microphone. Kung acoustic steel string iyan, di ba may mga ibang steel string na mas balanced kaysa iba? 7) May term kami, the Baker#55 embodies the statement "Lazy Man's guitar". Though I do no believe it is a function of pickups because it still has that property regardless if the pickup is sunk into the cavity or close to the string. Quality of Wood drives this aspect. 9) I mean that on the upper registers, the strings do not respond as if it were staccato like rather it will still maintain the sustain and richness of the harmonics of the note.
Rock on too. I hope my additional statements clarifies things further. Thanks for the questions.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: glassjaw_jc on August 16, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
ah mali, my #8 if for #9 and #9 should be for #10. But it's ok anyway.
choked upper frets are real pain in the a$$
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 04:28:44 PM
Skunky,
Just to clarify.
1) I dont buy expensive stuff just to beat cheap stuff. It just happens to be that a lot of expensive stuff beats cheap stuff but not all the time. I used to have cheap guitars too you know. In fact, prior to the Baker, your SG is more expensive than all my guitars individually.
2) Unique was hardly in my mind when I bought the baker. If I wanted unique, then I would have bought an Auserwald. I bought the Baker because of the special recommendation of Ken Volpe and because Gene Baker had such a super duper reputation for craftsmanship and tone.
3) There is no relation about being expensive and pogi because people will not know how much a piece of gear costs when you are on stage.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
Glassjaw,
A magical guitar for me is one where you just don't want to put it down because it sounds so nice hearing it and you cannot stop playing it because it plays like a dream -- almost no weariness at all in your hands. Also magical because the guitar always comes up with surprises and gives different sounds relative to how you fret and pick the strings. Finally, for some unexplicable reason, the guitar is inspiring.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: vhunter on August 16, 2007, 04:48:56 PM
SELL ME THE MARSHALL SELL ME THE MARSHALL SELL ME THE MARSHALL :evil:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 05:08:07 PM
vhunter,
Artist endorsed rin ang 25th anniversary di ba?
Give me up to October to decide.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 05:22:46 PM
A magical guitar for me is one where you just don't want to put it down because it sounds so nice hearing it and you cannot stop playing it because it plays like a dream -- almost no weariness at all in your hands. Also magical because the guitar always comes up with surprises and gives different sounds relative to how you fret and pick the strings. Finally, for some unexplicable reason, the guitar is inspiring.
i just realized ang babaw ko pala.
playing guitar itself is inspiring for me. which is why its all i think about. even when i'm at work. or when my boss is giving me "gentle reminders" kasi i was thinking about playing my guitar when i should've been thinking about what i was working on. or eating. or out watching a movie. or during those few minutes right before i fall asleep. and when i wake up in the morning, the first thought that enters my mind is "do i have time to pick up the guitar and play before getting ready for work?" basta. 99% of the time, when i'm not playing guitar, i'm thinking about it. yung remaining 1% is yung blissful moment sa toilet. but guess what? i almost always do my business while reading a guitar mag. :lol:
*sigh* i'm such a geek. i've been playing more than half my life now and ganto pa din ako.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 05:28:25 PM
nathan,
Just like me. I get up early to go to work so that I don't have to do overtime so I can come home and play the baker.
Should have sold you my Ibanez Steve Vai JEM777VWH... heh heh that guitars needs so much inspiration to play.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 05:29:01 PM
First to own talaga ako ng Baker B3 Fire Model which I lent out and shared to Miks in less than a week. First to own ka rin naman ng Tri-cone di ba? So whats the fuss about FIRST?
Hindi naman lang ako nagsasabi na "SPECIAL" and "BEST" ang gitara si Cliff Cultreri rin. Send your guitars to Cliff for him to assess. Basta alam ko aligned ako with Cliff. Ikaw nagbabago ka ng taste so you even have no right to criciticize what is considered SPECIAL or BEST because you cannot even define what you want know. Balikan mo na lang ako in 2 years pag nakadecision ka na sa gusto mo.
In fact, I can challenge all your deltaslim guitars versus the Baker#55. Kaso, hindi mo naman aaminin kung mas maganda ang baker. Talk about GAS, you should talk about it because you are the one who keeps changing gear.
Stop picking on the Baker#55, if you cannot answer the three questions I asked you. Courtesy lang po. Ikaw naman ang nagpapapansin sa thread na ito.
First to own talaga ako ng Baker B3 Fire Model which I lent out and shared to Miks in less than a week. First to own ka rin naman ng Tri-cone di ba? So whats the fuss about FIRST?
Hindi naman lang ako nagsasabi na "SPECIAL" and "BEST" ang gitara si Cliff Cultreri rin. Send your guitars to Cliff for him to assess. Basta alam ko aligned ako with Cliff. Ikaw nagbabago ka ng taste so you even have no right to criciticize what is considered SPECIAL or BEST because you cannot even define what you want know. Balikan mo na lang ako in 2 years pag nakadecision ka na sa gusto mo.
In fact, I can challenge all your deltaslim guitars versus the Baker#55. Kaso, hindi mo naman aaminin kung mas maganda ang baker. Talk about GAS, you should talk about it because you are the one who keeps changing gear.
Stop picking on the Baker#55, if you cannot answer the three questions I asked you. Courtesy lang po. Ikaw naman ang nagpapapansin sa thread na ito.
Alex - QUOTE THE POST WHERE I PICKED ON YOU OR YOUR BAKER GUITAR. DO IT. NOW!
If you are referring to the "first/only/special" thing, reread it. That wasn't directed at you . That was addressed to all GAS sufferers -- the point being, there is no end in sight. Anybody, including me, who has GAS has a little bit of it in them. If you took it personally, maybe you have it more than I or others have. If you read back and read your orig Baker thread, I even complimented your guitar's good qualities. But nothing is perfect, so you can't have your cake and eat it too eh? As for my Tricone thread, too bad you don't find humor in it; many did.
I don't know why you are still harping on about your 3 questions. Selective ka magbasa, you only read on what you can pick on. Pero di mo naman masagot intelligently ang rejoinders ko. Reread my earlier post and ANSWER THOSE with your brain not with your ego!
As for your challenge, it is stupid, silly, and useless (since "mas maganda" without context to musical objectives, band setting, etc. is pointless). But you can't throw down the gauntlet like that at me and get away with it, y'know? So...
I TAKE UP YOUR CHALLENGE. Name the place, date, time and I will engage you in a tone shootout. Let's see you play your Baker and I'll play, well, I'll play anything cuz isn't everything else lesser than your Baker? Better yet, let's see you play your Baker in a live band context cuz without any musical context, what is the point of playing guitars? Para wala kang masabing bias, you name the band. Let's play with the same band at the appointed day, time, and place. Let anybody who comes be the judge kung alin ang, as you say, "mas maganda". Let's record the whole damned thing too and post on soundclick or youtube for all eternity and the world to see. I am sure you'll come away with your bias and opinion of your Baker intact cuz that's how you are. But let the others judge for themselves if your Baker is worth what you paid for it and worth the aggravation you cause.
Alex,
You're out of line. I've tried to be respectful and courteous IN PERSON (heck, I even came up to you and shook your hand sa gig last Sat) and here sa forum and always tried to help and open your eyes to ways by which you can be more effective in sharing your passion and knowledge, para din mas maintindihan ka ng tao. I gave you a second chance as a human being but you are making it very difficult for me to treat you in a respectful manner because you don't show any respect to me. You've been very consistent at being very rude to me and I'm not the only one who notices that. Ang mali ko, I gave you too much credit.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: glassjaw_jc on August 16, 2007, 05:33:48 PM
oooooohhhhhh.... where are the popcorns!?!? :evil:
Just adding fuel to the fire...
Minute nuances are nothing unless they can be heard in a band setting and the guitar player is more important than the guitar :-D
peace!
choked upper frets are poop :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 05:37:34 PM
So answer the questions with this point in time as reference... How can you tell me that you know what you want if you keep on changing from time to time? Its like somebody who stays in college for twenty years trying out all the courses and never accomplishing or making a career during in the 20 years of vacilation. Besides how can you know what to change unless you know what it is today?
Alex - Let's put it this way. I don't think the subject is important or objective enough for me to bother providing you a detailed answer. :-D Suffice to say that our knowledge of the world, including tone, keeps on growing. And that's true for all the different types of guitars because they're all unique instruments, with their own voice. So, my ideal Strat tone has evolved and will continue to evolve. My ideal Les Paul tone has evolved and will continue to evolve. My ideal Tele tone has evolved and will continue to evolve. It's not people's fault cuz it's epistemological. Besides, humans know more than they can express. Some things cannot be expressed or codified!
Well, it takes deltaslim so long to answer. I cannot blame him because it is a really difficult question to answer specially for someone who changes tastes frequently.
Hehe... I was holed up in Tagaytay conducting a training/workshop for the OPAPP trying to think of better ways to find peace and development in the country, especially in Mindanao. ;-) Unfrotunately, I am one of those guys who have to work hard (dobol-job pa nga!) to put food on the table for my family, ensure my kids get a good education and we all stay healthy. And then, maybe, just maybe, I might have leftover money for gear and have time to talk gear and make it appear as if I know what I'm talking about and that my humble knowledge and opinions matter.
Funny, for someone who changes tastes so often he has a number of regrettable gear sold based on his thread, around 6 pieces of gear I think. As of today, I have no regrets over any of my gear sold in the past 20 years of my guitar playing.
What's funnier is that I don't keep count but you do!
Alex - Just be happpy with your accomplishments and your knowledge and HELP others gain knowledge on tone/gear so that they find what works for THEM. Open other people's eyes to what's out there. But respect their choices when they don't go for the same things as you do.
Money opens a lot of options but it doesn't ensure better decisions. A rich dumb guy will have a lot more options but is more likely to get bad tone than a poor but knowledgeable guy with less options.
Speaking of money, I'll go back to real work now... gotta bring home the bacon...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 05:58:29 PM
Ooohhh. Will diffuse kasi galit si Deltaslim.
Deltaslim,
"Una kailangan FIRST to own ka! Tapos the ONLY one to have one! And then kailangan the BEST specimen yung iyo! Tapos ngayon kailangan "SPECIAL" pa! Waaaaah! " Thats you pickin on the Baker#55.
Challenge Accepted -- December 31,2007 --- The day before New Year's at Shin's Studio at Tandang Sora. Band Context: Jingle on Drums, Lito on Bass, Arie on Guitar and Vocals. My gear versus your gear. No sharing.
Now thats settled. Just because I don't agree with your comments and find you inconsistent with your posts and point that out, you brand me as rude and biased. Otherwise, I will not comment on any of your other posts until 2008. Peace. Let us agree not get into each other's way till then.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 06:05:36 PM
Deltaslim,
Will diffuse further. I was not able to read your earlier post with the longer reply. Hindi lumabas sa viewer ko.
Tuloy pa rin December 31, 2007. Pero private na lang among us. P800 an hour kina Shin. Ok lang sa iyo to split?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
Deltaslim,
In addition, lets just do gear rotation among the three of us -- Arie, You and I.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: vhunter on August 16, 2007, 06:09:19 PM
SAMA AKO.. ILL PLAY FIRE 59. I SUCK PERO PAG FREE RECORDING IM IN! :D Lol Ksp lang talaga ako... but id love to meet arie and the gang .. he does all my guitars but ive never met him. hahahaha.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 06:11:27 PM
Miks,
Can you wait on the Marshall until January 2008 so I can use it forl the shootout?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 06:12:49 PM
Deltaslim,
Ok lang ba sa iyo to allow Miks and his band para two different styles?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
Miks,
I dont have enough cabinets. Need you to bring your 4x12 rectifier and Marshall 4x12. I can only bring 2x12s. I dont think I will be configured in time for December. I can borrow a Randall 4x12 from Dodjie.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 06:25:04 PM
"Una kailangan FIRST to own ka! Tapos the ONLY one to have one! And then kailangan the BEST specimen yung iyo! Tapos ngayon kailangan "SPECIAL" pa! Waaaaah! " Thats you pickin on the Baker#55.
At may # pa ha! Talagang special!
That's YOU assuming I'm picking on you/your Baker. I'm picking on the behavior of people like you and me who have GAS. How come you ommitted the intro ("Ang hirap ng may GAS...") and the last part, "Life is hard; and then we die?" Selective hearing ka talaga e.
Challenge Accepted -- December 31,2007 --- The day before New Year's at Shin's Studio at Tandang Sora. Band Context: Jingle on Drums, Lito on Bass, Arie on Guitar and Vocals. My gear versus your gear. No sharing.
WTF?! December? Ano to, international conference na months in advance? At new year's eve pa? Anyway, I accept it! But don't expect me to stay into the evening. I'd rather spend the holiday with my family cuz it's new year's after all. Morning or afternoon is not a problem tho.
Let me clarify tho, it's your Baker gtr vs. any of my guitars, as you said in your challenge. Not just generic "your gear" vs "my gear." The control variables need to be limited. Unless, you're trying to pull a fast one. ;-) In fact, the amps should be the same.
But since that is so far off, I've got an idea, something more realistic and concrete. Let's do a prequel shootout this Saturday evening. Bring yourself and your Baker to the Blueskrieg gig on Sat sa Club Dredd/Gweilo's sa Eastwood Libis. Let's jam with Plug or whoever is up there. Or just have an open jam, I know we can count on the other musicians to join in. Mas lalong patas since the group and amps will be an unknown variable.
But the Dec 31 thing is still on cuz I keep my word. After Sat, you'll have time to bond more with your instrument. Good for you cuz I will have changed guitars several times over by then! LOL!
Now thats settled. Just because I don't agree with your comments and find you inconsistent with your posts and point that out, you brand me as rude and biased. Otherwise, I will not comment on any of your other posts until 2008. Peace. Let us agree not get into each other's way till then.
Alex, you didn't just "disagree with my comments". You did more than that. Reread your posts and instrospect. You'll find true peace if and when you don't feel the urge anymore to call people out just because they disagree with you. You'll find peace if and when you accept that some people (not me) may have better gear and tone than you... may have more knowledge than you... have more patience, grace, and manners than you.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 06:33:12 PM
But since that is so far off, I've got an idea, something concrete. Let's do a prequel shootout this Saturday evening. Bring yourself and your Baker to the Blueskrieg gig on Sat sa Club Dredd/Gweilo's sa Eastwood Libis. Let's jam with Plug or whoever is up there. Or just have an open jam, I know we can count on the other musicians to join in. Mas lalong patas since the group and amps will be an unknown variable.
:lol: pamatay ang amps dun! :lol:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 06:38:08 PM
Will diffuse further. I was not able to read your earlier post with the longer reply. Hindi lumabas sa viewer ko.
Tuloy pa rin December 31, 2007. Pero private na lang among us. P800 an hour kina Shin. Ok lang sa iyo to split?
Teka, bakit naging private? You issue a public challenge and then it becomes a private shootout? What's wrong with it being open to the public? Like I said above, see you Saturday night sa Club Dredd at the Blueskrieg gig. I was man enough to accept your terms on the date/venue/time/band, I hope you're man enough to accept my suggestion too.
In addition, lets just do gear rotation among the three of us -- Arie, You and I.
Why rotate and involve other variables? You challenged me and I accepted. The backing-band needs to be stable and constant. In fact, if possible, we should play through the same amp. Doesn't matter which amp, Crate or Diezel pa man yan, basta same amp.
Ok lang ba sa iyo to allow Miks and his band para two different styles?
Like I said, let us both play with our guitars with ANY band. But it would be a treat since I know they are great players in a great band. So sige, Soul Benders and mik's band.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 06:52:47 PM
I dont have enough cabinets. Need you to bring your 4x12 rectifier and Marshall 4x12. I can only bring 2x12s. I dont think I will be configured in time for December. I can borrow a Randall 4x12 from Dodjie.
Tell you what. I'll bring some cheap mass production Fender/Peavey amps (which you despise) and let's see how we play through those too. Testing on different amp platforms will make the exercise more credible.
Don't worry, they'll be tube amps naman. I know it would be sacrilegious for you to play thru a solid-state amp.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: bluenote on August 16, 2007, 06:57:47 PM
I dont have enough cabinets. Need you to bring your 4x12 rectifier and Marshall 4x12. I can only bring 2x12s. I dont think I will be configured in time for December. I can borrow a Randall 4x12 from Dodjie.
Tell you what. I'll bring some cheap mass production Fender/Peavey amps (which you despise) and let's see how we play through those too. Testing on different amp platforms will make the exercise more credible.
Don't worry, they'll be tube amps naman. I know it would be sacrilegious for you to play thru a solid-state amp.
Patay na Let the playing do the talking na ang tema dito ah... Ako talaga I firmly believe na tone is in the players hands... Kahit ano pa gamitin mong rig if you play like crap youll sound like crap...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on August 16, 2007, 07:14:37 PM
I dont have enough cabinets. Need you to bring your 4x12 rectifier and Marshall 4x12. I can only bring 2x12s. I dont think I will be configured in time for December. I can borrow a Randall 4x12 from Dodjie.
Tell you what. I'll bring some cheap mass production Fender/Peavey amps (which you despise) and let's see how we play through those too. Testing on different amp platforms will make the exercise more credible.
Don't worry, they'll be tube amps naman. I know it would be sacrilegious for you to play thru a solid-state amp.
Patay na Let the playing do the talking na ang tema dito ah... Ako talaga I firmly believe na tone is in the players hands... Kahit ano pa gamitin mong rig if you play like crap youll sound like crap...
tama! :lol:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: vhunter on August 16, 2007, 07:16:31 PM
fark! I wanna go to the gig in guweilos this weekend but im out of the country .. ahhahaa... Ill loan my 4x12's no problem. :D Man.. i miss shinji!
Wait till you find out whats coming in for december. :D TONE IS IN MY _____ lol
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 16, 2007, 07:24:51 PM
Easy lang naman mga bro hehehe :-D Tone is in the HANDS we all agree on that. No reason to FIGHT about gear :-D And if it works, it works, don't fight hehe.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 08:25:50 PM
Deltaslim,
My terms and my date as per your original challenge. December 30, 2007 or December 31, 2007 whichever is convenient for your family. Sound Creation Private Studio. The remnants of Soul Benders with the Virgin Hunters. You want public access? Thats why we will record. Also, no access to my amps bring yours. I will pay for the whole session. So I have the right to choose who to invite. Not everybody can fit into the studio so, its semi-public. I will not play on the amps you recommend. I play loud at the minimum on 2x12 and 4x12 at best. Don't need to check credibility across all amps as long as I play across some of the best in the world. After all, its combined tone and technique, you should not worry because believe ka naman sa hands mo.
No to Club Dredd -- my terms and my date.
See you in 4.5 months. This gives me enough time to upgrade my cabinets and speaker cables. Please confirm your preferred date. Will book 16 straight hours. This should allow both bands enough time to set up and to relax.
For the record, I did not call you out on this thread. You just appeared.
Lahed92801,
No problem about the hands. It about time I prove to Deltaslim that I have better hands than he.
Miks,
Arie would want to either use the Vox AC30 or the Marshall Jubilee mini head (both No Access to Deltaslim). How about you? Your choice list: Rivera TBR 1SL, Matamp vintage 1971 GTO Head, Orange Overdrive 120 Head, Marshall 30th Anniversary Head, Marshall SLX Head, Marshall vintage 1972 metal panel Super Lead Head, VHT Ultra Lead Pitbull Head, Bogner Uberschall Head, Soldano SLO100 Head or Diezel Herbert Head. I will choose depending on your choice. Of course you can still use the Marshall Jubilee mini head. If you choose that, I will choose the Herbert.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 08:52:53 PM
:lol: :lol:
can you imagine how silly the whole thing would look?
"o lets do open A... listen to this... *kerrraaannnngggg*.... hear that? can you feel that C# tingling your spine as it shimmers beat-less against the A?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... note that the low A retains clarity and power even when blending with 4 other notes... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... and i haven't even applied vibrato yet... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*...what do you think eh?..."
"its pretty good... but listen to this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... now, i know the A and C# arent exactly beat-less... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... but that little niggle adds character... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... also, note that, after the initial attack, the chords seems to get louder before decaying slowly... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... can you hear that high E adding sparkle to the chord yet blending in perfectly with the other 5 notes?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"oo nga... may character... but its not perfect.... not like this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
15 hours and 55 minutes later...
"you know, i just noticed, that 4th string is starting to drift on your guitar... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... parang hindi na beat-less against the low A yung E on the 4th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"hindi... thats one instance where it really is in the hands... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... medyo ngalay na kamay ko dito kakahawak ng A e.... gusto mo subukan ibang chord naman?... lipat naman tayo sa open A on the 5th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... madali lang yun... here, leave the 5th string open, ring on the 7th of the 4th string..."
"hep hep hep... bawal hawakan... bawal manggulo... sa A lang tayo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... nangangawit kamay mo?... ibig sabihin di comfortable 'yang neck ng gitara mo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... ako, i can hold this A all week... in fact its all i play... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"... ehem... ser... 5 minutes... last song na po..."
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 08:55:59 PM
ANAKNGPOTCHA O... natulog lang ako at pag-gising heto na... :-D
Para na to yung kuwento about George Harisson and Eric Clapton ah... but at least yun, babae ang pinupusta...
Hmmm... manggagatong lang ako... what's the prize for the "winner"? The loser's gear goes to the winner? 100 push-ups from the loser? Sisig at isang round ng beer? Bend over and pass the soap?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 08:58:06 PM
can you imagine how silly the whole thing would look?
"o lets do open A... listen to this... *kerrraaannnngggg*.... hear that? can you feel that C# tingling your spine as it shimmers beat-less against the A?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... note that the low A retains clarity and power even when blending with 4 other notes... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... and i haven't even applied vibrato yet... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*...what do you think eh?..."
"its pretty good... but listen to this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... now, i know the A and C# arent exactly beat-less... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... but that little niggle adds character... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... also, note that, after the initial attack, the chords seems to get louder before decaying slowly... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... can you hear that high E adding sparkle to the chord yet blending in perfectly with the other 5 notes?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"oo nga... may character... but its not perfect.... not like this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
15 hours and 55 minutes later...
"you know, i just noticed, that 4th string is starting to drift on your guitar... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... parang hindi na beat-less against the low A yung E on the 4th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"hindi... thats one instance where it really is in the hands... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... medyo ngalay na kamay ko dito kakahawak ng A e.... gusto mo subukan ibang chord naman?... lipat naman tayo sa open A on the 5th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... madali lang yun... here, leave the 5th string open, ring on the 7th of the 4th string..."
"hep hep hep... bawal hawakan... bawal manggulo... sa A lang tayo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... nangangawit kamay mo?... ibig sabihin di comfortable 'yang neck ng gitara mo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... ako, i can hold this A all week... in fact its all i play... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"... ehem... ser... 5 minutes... last song na po..."
TRIPLE ANAKNGPOTCHA... :-D :-D :-D Man, natawa ako dun a. B chord naman. Ay, sa next shootout na lang yun.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 09:03:10 PM
Nathan,
Just to make it an extra challenge, will do the shoot out in the dark so that nobody will see what anybody else is doing. heh heh.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 16, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
Mind if I watch your tone shootout, guys? I'm interested in seeing it for myself.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
Sure dude. Sama ka with your Suhr.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: trem3 on August 16, 2007, 09:09:54 PM
Let's Get it on na pala ang usapan dito?
sa Araneta nyo kaya gawin yan para masmaraming makasaksi! :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 09:12:31 PM
Arie would want to either use the Vox AC30 or the Marshall Jubilee mini head (both No Access to Deltaslim). How about you? Your choice list: Rivera TBR 1SL, Matamp vintage 1971 GTO Head, Orange Overdrive 120 Head, Marshall 30th Anniversary Head, Marshall SLX Head, Marshall vintage 1972 metal panel Super Lead Head, VHT Ultra Lead Pitbull Head, Bogner Uberschall Head, Soldano SLO100 Head or Diezel Herbert Head. I will choose depending on your choice. Of course you can still use the Marshall Jubilee mini head. If you choose that, I will choose the Herbert.
Alanghiya naman... penge naman ng kahit isang amp diyan! Awesome amp list Alex.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: BAMF on August 16, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
Haay. My first time to come to this thread.
If the variables are not constant, what's the point in the shootout ? Are you bashing two guitars together or two separate signal paths, all with differing variables ?
Similarly you'll have to decide first. Is this a tone shootout or is it a player shootout ? Of course these will have different rubrics for judging.
Otherwise, it will all just be a waste of time. I don't know you too well Alex. But Joric, I do know you're too smart to not know this :D
Pero sige lang ! Sayang looks like I won't be invited, but sure, humor yourselves and have a ball guys.
Gosh. Just when I remember saying to myself the amp vs pod A/B party was pointless. This takes the cake.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 16, 2007, 09:13:23 PM
No problem about the hands. It about time I prove to Deltaslim that I have better hands than he.
ayan na yun :-D we're dead.
Dapat walang magshreshred kasi tone ang pinaguusapan hehehe.
Post the recordings here ha :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 09:14:20 PM
Pinoyboy,
Thanks for the compliment.
Poundcake,
Which amp do you want to plug your Suhr into?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 09:18:22 PM
BAMF,
Come over too... I guess its really simple now, who gets the most claps or votes wins... No other criteria. Its really the perfect integration of player into tone, technique, inspiration and soul. Kung Kanya Kanya kasi ang claim, no other way but to get the most claps or votes.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 16, 2007, 09:19:48 PM
Great! The SLO100 or the Uberschall will be perfect. I have to get used to the Bogner sound because I'm GASsing for one :evil:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 16, 2007, 09:22:08 PM
Ok doki. Soldano SLO100 and Bogner Uberschall will join the shoot out.
Skunky,
I need to borrow your Randall 4x12 for the Bogner Uberschall.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 16, 2007, 09:22:35 PM
bro, just a question, will you guys call votes? Kasi tone, we all agree naman, is subjective. Some people love frank gambale's tone for its clarity and smoothness while some people often say- in the words of my friend- "It's a wussy ass, overly chorused jazz-rock tone". Or some people think eric johnson puts too much reverb. Some also say wes montgomery's tone was too dark and was muffled. Some people hate yngwie's tone and say it's too glassy.
And which crowd will vote kasi, a jazz crowd won't like a very saturated shred tone while a metal crowd will hate a super clean jazz tone :-D
So pano na yun :-D
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SIR, DAYUM, YOU'VE GOT NICE AMPS :-o
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 09:23:37 PM
If the variables are not constant, what's the point in the shootout ? Are you bashing two guitars together or two separate signal paths, all with differing variables ?
Similarly you'll have to decide first. Is this a tone shootout or is it a player shootout ? Of course these will have different rubrics for judging.
kaya nga open A lang dapat ang gagawin e.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 09:31:11 PM
My terms and my date as per your original challenge.
Revisionist historian ka talaga... It was you who issued a challenge, dude, and it's funny that everybody can see kung pano ka "mang-baligtad". It's you who are setting all these terms and conditions after issuing the challenge. If you're so sure of yourself why not we just show up in the whatever gig there is tomorrow and let's get it over with? Meron ata Blue Rats sa Hobbit House -- ano game ka? Mabait magpa-jam yung mga yun. Matapang ka naman eh, call na yan! Let's roll!
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December 30, 2007 or December 31, 2007 whichever is convenient for your family. Sound Creation Private Studio.
Dec 30, 2007. Set na yan... stone cold.
Aug 18, 2007, Club Dredd - You chickened out!!!
Aug 17, 2007, Hobbit House - Let's see if you chicken out a 2nd time.
In fact, tell you what... I'm challenging you come to any Blueskrieg gig with your Baker and let's shoot it out. Every time you don't show up, you are chicken and just full of hot air!
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You want public access? Thats why we will record.
Uh-oh, so now this is a recording shootout? Eh di mag-POD na lang ako?! LOL! Ever heard of live music played by a band on a stage in front of people? Whatever happened to that? Ang galing galing mo pa naman magpaka-critic ng mga gigs ko dati.
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Also, no access to my amps bring yours.
All this new disclaimers and conditions you are adding just prove how biased you are and how un-scientific this whole thing will be. Don't matter to me, but it just shows your character.
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I will pay for the whole session. So I have the right to choose who to invite. Not everybody can fit into the studio so, its semi-public.
Haha... talagang tone is in the wallet. You'd actually pay that much just to make sure you have your own friends by your side? What do friends have to do with your tone and guitar playing? Pay for it if you insist; sabagay ikaw ang nag-challenge ang nag-isip ng recording studio for a venue.
Para makatipid ka naman in the future, here's a bonus for you. You can bring all the friends and family you want to any gig where you show up and we do a shoot-out. How's that?
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I will not play on the amps you recommend.... I play loud at the minimum on 2x12 and 4x12 at best. Don't need to check credibility across all amps as long as I play across some of the best in the world. After all, its combined tone and technique, you should not worry because believe ka naman sa hands mo.
This is you skirting the issue. How can you compare two guitars that are played through 2 different amps? More terms and conditions, huh?
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No to Club Dredd -- my terms and my date.
Ok, for the record, I issued you the same challenge, you chickend out.
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See you in 4.5 months. This gives me enough time to upgrade my cabinets and speaker cables. Will book 16 straight hours.
Book as much time as you want. I just hope you had the courtesy of asking all the people you name-dropped if they were ok to get involved in your little ego trip.
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For the record, I did not call you out on this thread. You just appeared.
Haha! Gosh, you don't even know what "being called out" means. LOL!
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It about time I prove to Deltaslim that I have better hands than he.
Yeah, it's about time you let your fingers do the talking. People are sick and tired of your industrial-strength "hangin"... I say, it ain't bragging if you can back it up.
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Arie would want to either use the Vox AC30 or the Marshall Jubilee mini head (both No Access to Deltaslim).
Haha! What is this, 3rd grade?!@#$% LOL!
You should hear yourself talk. Iba talaga level mo tsong!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: titser_marco on August 16, 2007, 09:47:10 PM
Hay.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: vhunter on August 16, 2007, 09:50:19 PM
Guys can I charge entrance? The entrance fee is not for the studio but rather for beers and pizza! Whole day event to eh. De EB and hang out narin. I hope i dont lose anything ... i just wanna join for fun :D
Pound, Ill help you bring in your amp.. you know how to reach me! Im bringing in a duende. Should be here by december. :D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
If the variables are not constant, what's the point in the shootout ? Are you bashing two guitars together or two separate signal paths, all with differing variables ?
Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Dapat nga mag A/B/Y box eh -- 2 gtrs to the same amp. And guess in who's favor the 'terms and conditions' of the test is going? ;-)
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Similarly you'll have to decide first. Is this a tone shootout or is it a player shootout ? Of course these will have different rubrics for judging.
Well, he's the one who said he's got better hands than me. I guess he's got the tone in his fingers, so we'll see.
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Otherwise, it will all just be a waste of time. I don't know you too well Alex. But Joric, I do know you're too smart to not know this :D
Thanks, Jobet. I made the same point in earlier posts.
I'm starting to think if I'm just stooping down too low to his level. It's silly that I'm still up typing at night when I could be playing with my kids...
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Pero sige lang ! Sayang looks like I won't be invited, but sure, humor yourselves and have a ball guys.
If I could I would invite you and the PIMP posse, as well as Kit, Erick, etc. But Alex says he gets to invite who comes in cuz he's the one with the fat wallet that can afford that much premium studio time. I'm not the type who invites other people if it's not my party or my house, especially as a courtesy to mister Shinjin, whom I respect but haven't met personally. :-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 16, 2007, 09:54:22 PM
Uy gusto ko manood dito! Or can somebody capture the event on video so we can all watch it via youtube?
Sorry, sir. Friends lang daw ni Alex Gomez pwedeng manood cuz he's paying for it.
Bayaan mo, if and when Alex shows up in a gig for a live shootout, we'll video it and post on youtube. I'm sure he won't mind cuz he's sure he's got superior tone and hands e.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 16, 2007, 10:04:11 PM
Uh-oh, so now this is a recording shootout? Eh di mag-POD na lang ako?! LOL! Ever heard of live music played by a band on a stage in front of people? Whatever happened to that? Ang galing galing mo pa naman magpaka-critic ng mga gigs ko dati.
eh sir, how will non invited/can't go anyway people like me listen :|
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: titser_marco on August 16, 2007, 10:11:45 PM
OT: Bro, did you get my PM/email re Rob Tognoni? I hope that's useful in making your decision, one way or the other.
I got it man, super thanks. I'm just stabilizing my finances and stuff as well as convincing the significant bother that I NEED it (nathanmanansala, I'll use your line ha: "my needs are similar/congruent to my wants)". :)
Thanks, super helpful yung link. You and your plastic-sounding modelers. Pweh. :P :P :P :P :P
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 16, 2007, 10:16:16 PM
Come over too... I guess its really simple now, who gets the most claps or votes wins... No other criteria. Its really the perfect integration of player into tone, technique, inspiration and soul. Kung Kanya Kanya kasi ang claim, no other way but to get the most claps or votes.
Thanks. I'll block my calendar. I'll be there for the show...but as for the true value or rather true meaning of this experience...let me fence-sit that one for now.
See you guys !
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 16, 2007, 10:28:28 PM
Uh-oh, so now this is a recording shootout? Eh di mag-POD na lang ako?! LOL! Ever heard of live music played by a band on a stage in front of people? Whatever happened to that? Ang galing galing mo pa naman magpaka-critic ng mga gigs ko dati.
eh sir, how will non invited/can't go anyway people like me listen :|
you'll have to settle for second hand, jaundiced, meanderings of people who stepped outside kasi the playing got too loud. :-D
I got it man, super thanks. I'm just stabilizing my finances and stuff as well as convincing the significant bother that I NEED it (nathanmanansala, I'll use your line ha: "my needs are similar/congruent to my wants)". :)
use it, twist it, abuse it. its free. :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Black Dog on August 16, 2007, 10:33:35 PM
Uy gusto ko manood dito! Or can somebody capture the event on video so we can all watch it via youtube?
Sorry, sir. Friends lang daw ni Alex Gomez pwedeng manood cuz he's paying for it.
Bayaan mo, if and when Alex shows up in a gig for a live shootout, we'll video it and post on youtube. I'm sure he won't mind cuz he's sure he's got superior tone and hands e.
just my piece.... Man, I'll pay for the whole thing in order for those who's interested to judge for themselves who's the better of the two.... and why Dec? by that time all this stuff is all but forgotten. Let's get it on guys while its smoking hot!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
Ako uuwi pa ng Manila para lang manood... NOT! :-D Wish I could though, not to watch the shootout but just to meet all the fun characters here at Philmusic!
Most exciting thread in the recent times... :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: BAMF on August 16, 2007, 10:43:59 PM
Uh-oh, so now this is a recording shootout? Eh di mag-POD na lang ako?! LOL! Ever heard of live music played by a band on a stage in front of people? Whatever happened to that? Ang galing galing mo pa naman magpaka-critic ng mga gigs ko dati.
eh sir, how will non invited/can't go anyway people like me listen :|
you'll have to settle for second hand, jaundiced, meanderings of people who stepped outside kasi the playing got too loud. :-D
I got it man, super thanks. I'm just stabilizing my finances and stuff as well as convincing the significant bother that I NEED it (nathanmanansala, I'll use your line ha: "my needs are similar/congruent to my wants)". :)
use it, twist it, abuse it. its free. :-D
Yeah. And then there's the studio equipment to blame. And miking techniques. And mikes. And room acoustics. And cables. And EQ. And the recording engineer. A whole new gamut of variables.
I was eager to go, if only for the "museum exhibit". But again, putting in my worthless 2c of thought...isn't something amiss here ? If Alex pays, and gets to control the guest list, then the criteria for judging is lakas ng palakpak, then...I dunno guys. Let's just quit calling it a shootout. Let's just call it a show di ba ? And let the audience just have their opinions about it.
I'll be there for the show.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: vhunter on August 16, 2007, 10:46:57 PM
hey black dog ... who you? Intro naman. :D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 16, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
Nalintekan na -- just revisited this thread and yikes!!! Sabit pa kami dito!
O sige -- let me add fuel to the fire at deltaslim's suggestion:
Blue Rats at Hobbit House tomorrow, friday night, 17 august:
• The 2 protagonists come and sit in with us -- a neutral band -- for a few songs. • Baker B3 vs. Whatever. • Choices from the Blue Rats' amps, which neither protagonist has: - Low Gain: Fender '59 Bassman RI - Medium Gain: Matchless Brave (40w EL34 1x12 with gain knob and master volume) - High Gain: Mesa Boogie Mark IIb • No "stacking" of the audience by any of protagonists "paying for it" -- everybody welcome to neutral ground. • No unfair performance advantage by "stacking" of the song choices by "familiar" bands. • Videocams welcome. • "Live" is the context, but recorders welcome. • Audience is the judge. • Strike "while the iron is hot", ika nga. • 1st set is at 10:30, but duellers get there early to work out sequence with the Rats. • Venue comes complete with duende(s). :-D
It's an open offer...... Let us know. 8-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: BAMF on August 16, 2007, 11:40:42 PM
Improv ! One I-IV-V pattern in a preset key. 30 minutes per player. First guy who sounds monotonous is the loser. O kaya, both players on at the same time, sagutan ! O di ba ?
Isn't a slide an unfair advantage ? Maybe not. Bahala na, but it seems like a good idea.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: chito_eoi on August 17, 2007, 12:10:31 AM
pwede ba ko sumali?
ill be on stage like this!
<<<----------------- playin' Carlos Santana- EUROPA
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 17, 2007, 12:23:49 AM
Improv ! One I-IV-V pattern in a preset key. 30 minutes per player. First guy who sounds monotonous is the loser. O kaya, both players on at the same time, sagutan ! O di ba ?
Isn't a slide an unfair advantage ? Maybe not. Bahala na, but it seems like a good idea.
Aba... eh di magiging na tong parang si Ralph at Steve sa Crossroads di ba? :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: IncX on August 17, 2007, 12:49:45 AM
BRING A VIDEO CAM!!!
this is philmusic history!!!
its like the match between sakuraba and royce gracie... ang daming rules!!! and grabe ang excitement!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Jim Ayson on August 17, 2007, 01:55:16 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: fraudulentzodiac on August 17, 2007, 02:22:47 AM
... Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
very well said indeed sir, haha! and I was just playing neverwinter nights 2 kanina as a bard! :lol:
anyway I'd like to see this too!UPD boys punta tayo hehe. :lol:
at oo nga pala, nakita ko to sa classifieds http://musoland.com.cn/ (http://musoland.com.cn/) baka nandiyan ang pinakdabest and special guitar in the whole wide universe hehe. :-P :-P :-P
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: xjepoyx on August 17, 2007, 02:37:02 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
whoah! why me? hehehe... skunkyfunk claims that he's more worthy in terms of guitar tone recording... let him do it (huy doj wag pikon ha ehhehehe)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: KitC on August 17, 2007, 02:48:44 AM
<puts popcorn in microwave - Shin, enge naman shot ng Suntory! hehe>
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: lefty on August 17, 2007, 02:52:16 AM
Guys, guys, guys.... Actually, rule #1 in this whole game is, has always been, and always will be "trust your own ears" (and fingers, as the case may be).
Really no need to get worked up about it. Just a few dudes who either like what they hear or getting paid to sell something. Par for the course. No biggie. :wink:
I second that. 8-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: lefty on August 17, 2007, 02:56:29 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Oo nga... para naman kaming mga OFW ay makapanood.
6 Cycle Mind. Each got a house & lot and a car for the Tanduay deal.
you sure about this??
If it's true, they deserve it. Or at least Chuck deserves it.
how bout chicks? :-D
Under the table deal yan...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 17, 2007, 05:05:41 AM
Deltaslim,
Can you just confirm your preferred date so that I can reserve? I have to also ask how many people can fit and watch so more people can be invited. I have to inform Arie, Lito and Jingle too so that they can postpone any vacation they have planned with their family.
The ABY does not matter much because you always say its all in the hands. Funny that you should make a big deal out of it. Again, its rather simple. Bring your best sounding guitars -- all of them if you want and bring your best sounding amps and effects. Tapos, timplahin mo ng maganda. Ganoon rin ang gagawin ko. Malalaman naman ng mga taong nakikinig kung Baker na. Pati ikaw malalaman mo rin pag marinig mo. This Baker is never subtle in my setup.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 17, 2007, 05:36:56 AM
Skunky,
Can you give me Shinjei's number? I need to reserve and ask him what type of Bass Amp goes well with the room. I plan to rent from Steve. Also, I need to inform Shinjei that he will record live in a band context so he has to prepare for that setup with plenty of mics.
Since his room tends to kill the loudness of guitar amps, I plan to operate the amps at 10 which means I also have to ask Shinjei about his vocal PA system in the room. If it is insufficient, I will have to also rent from Steve.
By the way, you are invited.
Thanks.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 07:35:26 AM
Can you just confirm your preferred date so that I can reserve?
I already did, Dec 30, 2007.
There's also Aug 17, 2007 (tonight) at Blue Rats' gig sa Hobbit House. Just say the word. I'll give you up to 4pm today to confirm.
There's also Aug 18, 2007 (tomorrow), Blueskrieg, Club Dredd at Eastwood-Libis. You chickened out but I'll give you a second chance. Just say the word. 4pm deadline.
Like the other folks are saying, what's the big deal with this long run-up to Dec 2007? If you can't get it on now, you can't in Dec.
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I have to also ask how many people can fit and watch so more people can be invited. I have to inform Arie, Lito and Jingle too so that they can postpone any vacation they have planned with their family.
Tsk.. tsk.. tsk... Ayan ang sinasabi ko. Ang dami mong taong iniinvolve at kino-commit sa kalokohan mo pero di ka naman nagpaalam. Ang maganda run banda ko pa yung tinatanong mo. Is Soul Benders at your beck and call?
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The ABY does not matter much because you always say its all in the hands. Funny that you should make a big deal out of it. Again, its rather simple.
Doesn't matter much?@?#@$! It's the most important gear in the whole process!
If I were to set the conditions, it would be a double blind test, in order to remove any placebo effect or bias in the audience: 1. you will play behind a curtain using your Baker through a specified amp that you don't know. 2. a 3rd person will adjust the tone of the amp to 3 different settings (maybe 2 mins at a time) during the duration of the test, giving any guitar the chance to be tested against the range of tones of the amp 3. the audience (who can't see the players nor any of the gear) will judge the tone they are hearing 4. i will play behind a curtain using my gtrs through THE SAME amp (doesn't matter which one) 5. a 3rd person will tweak the tone of the amp as described in #2 6. people will judge the tone they are hearing 7. then we switch the sequence on who goes first, etc.
that's how real shootouts, and indeed many scientific experiments, are done. none of those crazy terms and conditions you are cooking up that make this whole thing a very subjective circus.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Phil on August 17, 2007, 07:40:48 AM
Nalintekan na -- just revisited this thread and yikes!!! Sabit pa kami dito!
O sige -- let me add fuel to the fire at deltaslim's suggestion:
Blue Rats at Hobbit House tomorrow, friday night, 17 august:
• The 2 protagonists come and sit in with us -- a neutral band -- for a few songs. • Baker B3 vs. Whatever. • Choices from the Blue Rats' amps, which neither protagonist has: - Low Gain: Fender '59 Bassman RI - Medium Gain: Matchless Brave (40w EL34 1x12 with gain knob and master volume) - High Gain: Mesa Boogie Mark IIb • No "stacking" of the audience by any of protagonists "paying for it" -- everybody welcome to neutral ground. • No unfair performance advantage by "stacking" of the song choices by "familiar" bands. • Videocams welcome. • "Live" is the context, but recorders welcome. • Audience is the judge. • Strike "while the iron is hot", ika nga. • 1st set is at 10:30, but duellers get there early to work out sequence with the Rats. • Venue comes complete with duende(s). :-D
It's an open offer...... Let us know. 8-)
Andy -
First of all, many apologies for dragging you and BR into this. But I do know that you guys are very generous at welcoming jammers so it's under that premise that I invited Alex to come. I didn''t mean it to cause a scene and be disruptive. Far from it.
Second, the terms you've set are all fair and scientific. I agree and accept. Not sure about Alex; he seems averse to scientific approaches.
Third, I have too much respect for you, Kuya Joey, Tom, Johnny, Mai, Vic, Cowboy, and the whole BR clan (then and now) that I feel it's not proper to "bring the circus to your town." You guys have too much class, not crass, like the other guy. Let's make this a one-time thing tonight and I'll keep out of your hair in the future. :-D
Again, many apologies, but a million thanks anyway.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 07:49:06 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
Hehe... Jim, I thought we needed a bit of excitement in this here parts so... The circus is back in town! ;-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Phil on August 17, 2007, 07:53:32 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
Hehe... Jim, I thought we needed a bit of excitement in this here parts so... The circus is back in town! ;-)
Let The Games Begin - Emperor Julius Cesar.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 17, 2007, 07:58:05 AM
Im bringing in a duende. Should be here by december. :D
Duende? Flat ang ulo para may patungan ng beer, bungi para walang sabit, at malaki ang tenga para may hawakan?
Corny ako I know... :-D
as if wala kang all tube "Midget" made in Ireland pa.
ha ha... malapit ng mapalitan ng [secret!] sa wakas. i actually read about a few mods for it... subukan ko, and if okay naman, i might just keep it as back-up to the upcoming door stopper. sayang din. para may magamit ang bisita!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 08:21:45 AM
I was watching Chris Tucker on Leno last night and suddenly realized...
Alex likes this circus because he likes the attention. He can't stand it if he's not the first. Can't stand it he's not the only one. Can't stand it if he's not the one with the special one, the "preciousssssssss". It's no suprise that he'd cook up a silly challenge based on his proposition na "pinakamaganda" ang Baker nya over all other guitars (including other Bakers).
So all this brouhaha is actually fueling his agenda, it's his usual modus operandi at work. He gets off on talking about gear, about talking about the awesome tone that he's gonna get when he gets his hands on the right cab for his head, the custom wound pickups, the 5,000 year old bone, etc. etc. etc. All this is like mental-tone-masturbation to him.
So I think the best thing to do is let the fingers do the talking (unless otherwise provoked) and less yapping. I will wait for him to show up at a real, fair, scientific shootout (ie, a double blind test), the terms and conditions for which I (and BB) have already outlined above. If he doesn't show up; I'll show up on Dec 30 anyway and settle all this.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: IncX on August 17, 2007, 08:51:32 AM
wow! even the mods have come to watch this...
this is big. i just might go to manila just to watch this!
cant there be two challenges? one in alex's home court (meaning his rules) and one in delta's home court?
in case of a tie ... the tie-breaker it would be a 6 song band show! of course invited ang other bands and headliner lang sina alex at delta... and then they would get onstage at the same time and have a guitar showdown!!!!
OK, this was just my idea of having a philmusic gig... i just wanna hear good music really... so, hehehe... i have no business making up rules.
i suggest one "neutral" person make up the rules na lang... para wala ng ping pong
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 17, 2007, 08:56:28 AM
Deltaslim,
Confirmed ako sa December 30, 2007 and only December 30.
Again I will say this I WILL ONLY PLAY ON MY EQUIPMENT ON MY TERMS.
My only agenda is to have fun and prove my point that there are standards that everybody or at least a great majority will appreciate over other lesser standards. I have a day job thats means 8am-630pm work. And I plan to prepare for that day. By the way, I am paying for the studio time because other people than you want to hear our gear in a nice room. So you are not my only concern.
Will confirm exact time with Shinjei, get back to you soon.
Thanks.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: orangeogre on August 17, 2007, 09:01:45 AM
I was watching Chris Tucker on Leno last night and suddenly realized...
Alex likes this circus because he likes the attention. He can't stand it if he's not the first. Can't stand it he's not the only one. Can't stand it if he's not the one with the special one, the "preciousssssssss". It's no suprise that he'd cook up a silly challenge based on his proposition na "pinakamaganda" ang Baker nya over all other guitars (including other Bakers).
So all this brouhaha is actually fueling his agenda, it's his usual modus operandi at work. He gets off on talking about gear, about talking about the awesome tone that he's gonna get when he gets his hands on the right cab for his head, the custom wound pickups, the 5,000 year old bone, etc. etc. etc. All this is like mental-tone-masturbation to him.
Agree! I'm kind of new here sa philmusic and I was wondering why some of his threads are always "The First here in the Philippines..." para syang SMART cellphone ad! kung may adboard dito sa forum baka ma question nyang mga claims nya eh :-D
But, I also appreciate his passion for Gear. I respect Geeks, because I myself am one. Rock on!
oh BTW, if the Baker is really the epitome of tone, it WILL sound good on any amp. therefore mas maganda kung same amp ang gagamitin for the testing.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 17, 2007, 09:17:04 AM
Alex
OT question. I was surfing through Arie's site and came across a set of "tone party" pictures. There was a guy there named "Mike Lirio". Would you know if he's from La Salle Greenhills circa 89 or 90?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 17, 2007, 09:19:04 AM
"... kerrrraaaaannnngggg... o ha!!!!..."
"... wala yan... keerrrrraaaaaaaannnnnggggg..."
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 17, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
PRSman,
Yes Mike is from La Salle... Teka he did mention a guy named Eric. Where did you used to live in Manila?
Orangeogre,
Your point is valid but does not need to be proven. What needs to be proven is the Maximum potential of the Baker.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 17, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
Yes Mike is from La Salle... Teka he did mention a guy named Eric.
Small world. I was one (or two?) classes ahead of him.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Kulas on August 17, 2007, 10:11:20 AM
if the "contest" is about who's guitar is better, dapat at least siguro 2 amps yung kailangan. one boutique and one "normal" solid state amp. then both players should try their guitars on both amps then observe yung audience.
kung signal path naman yung labanan (if the "non-boutique" signal path can stand with the "boutique" path) ayun, kanya-kanyang signal path yan, guitar, pedals, amp. then observe yung audience.
kung playing naman or "tone is in the fingers" ang labanan. dapat magplay yung both players on the same amp with their own respective guitars. then palitan sila after.
wala lang, just some suggestions.
exciting ito, hehehe. invited ba ako alex? hahaha!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 17, 2007, 10:21:23 AM
Kulas,
Yes you are invited. All three points are valid.
Kaso never naman aamin si Deltaslim. I also want to lighten the mood. Hindi contest. I challenged him and I want it to be a productive challenge. When we did A/B between POD and Randall, it felt so dull. Parang hindi maka-enjoy ang tao. So this time, I feel that its has to be in a total band and song context.
By the way, for people who insist that the Baker should be tried on every amp, I go further. Bring your own amp and favorite electric guitar. I will let you play Baker#55 on your own amp and set-up and assess for yourself.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 10:24:19 AM
Confirmed ako sa December 30, 2007 and only December 30.
Dec 30 - confirmed Aug 17 - you chickened out Aug 18 - you chickened out
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Again I will say this I WILL ONLY PLAY ON MY EQUIPMENT ON MY TERMS.
This is you chickening out too. Chickening out from rational thinking, common sense, and logic.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: micr0chimp on August 17, 2007, 10:31:24 AM
Mahirap pag live (pero mas masaya). Dami factors masyado na mahirap i-predict. The best way is in a controlled environment, I think. A studio with just the guitars, amps and players. Blind a/b after with a select group of people.
1 player per matching clips covering different styles of playing. Better if it's someone used to the style so multiple guitarists are needed. Anonymous upon playback, of course. This way stylistic bias and personal playing preferences are kept to a minimum.
Listening party. Clip posting. Decision-making. To each his own.
Beers every few minutes. Stand-up comedians to alleviate tension. EVH and company to endorse winners (and/or losers depending on manufacturer budget). Wet t-shirt contest afterwards to remind us all of what really matters.
This is supposed to be fun.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 17, 2007, 10:32:13 AM
By the way, for people who insist that the Baker should be tried on every amp, I go further. Bring your own amp and favorite electric guitar. I will let you play Baker#55 on your own amp and set-up and assess for yourself.
yun naman pala eh, free to try pala ang #55 on any rig, wala palang problema sa conditions ni sir deltaslim na one-amp-double-blind-test... ang issue lang hindi pwede mag plug si delta sa amps ni Alex, so gamit nalang kayo ng ibang amp... any amp in the venue.
kung pwede ako mag attend dito, uwi ako ng pinas saglit... , oas, san pwede kumuha ng passes? :lol:
gusto ko try si #55 sa clones ko ng eternity, gainster at Klon Centaur (in the making). :wink:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 10:33:09 AM
if the "contest" is about who's guitar is better, dapat at least siguro 2 amps yung kailangan. one boutique and one "normal" solid state amp. then both players should try their guitars on both amps then observe yung audience.
kung signal path naman yung labanan (if the "non-boutique" signal path can stand with the "boutique" path) ayun, kanya-kanyang signal path yan, guitar, pedals, amp. then observe yung audience.
kung playing naman or "tone is in the fingers" ang labanan. dapat magplay yung both players on the same amp with their own respective guitars. then palitan sila after.
wala lang, just some suggestions.
exciting ito, hehehe. invited ba ako alex? hahaha!
Kulas - Good points and it supports my and other people's previous proposals to make this objective and scientific.
But isn't it ironic that Alex would say your points are valid but only agree to one of them, the one that's least scientific and favors him when it comes to assessing him playing his Baker? Don' really matter cuz I'm willing to engage him on any of those options. But the fact that he spreads more mis-information by saying, "Kaso never aamin si Deltaslim" (Alex - I just did! Now what do you have to say for yourself?) just shows his character as a person and usual style of smokescreening and skirting the issue.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: glassjaw_jc on August 17, 2007, 10:42:26 AM
"kerraaaaannnnng"
Best post so far nuts :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 17, 2007, 10:49:47 AM
And, by the way... yeah, it kinda sucks that artists who endorse major brands aren't that reliable when it comes to recommending gear (sigh)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: starfugger on August 17, 2007, 11:14:06 AM
re the studio shootout: the band needs to play the backing tracks just once. mr alex and mr joric could overdub their parts separately. mas controlled yung factors.
are you playing the same song? or is this a spontaneous jam thing?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 11:20:40 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
HAHA! YUN NA YUN!
I notice we guitar players tend to squabble a lot nga :-D Fight war, not wars
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: orangeogre on August 17, 2007, 11:30:58 AM
By the way, for people who insist that the Baker should be tried on every amp, I go further. Bring your own amp and favorite electric guitar. I will let you play Baker#55 on your own amp and set-up and assess for yourself.
ayun ang the best!! agree ako dyan...pero ako I wont do that, kasi wala naman akong pera pangbili ng Baker, maiinis lang ako :-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
HAHA! YUN NA YUN!
I notice we guitar players tend to squabble a lot nga :-D Fight war, not wars
Eh kung wala nito paano na kikita ang mga Major brands at mga Boutique brands?? Kung wala nito ang boring na siguro ng forum :-)
Ang Showbiz natin!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Phil on August 17, 2007, 12:19:57 PM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
HAHA! YUN NA YUN!
I notice we guitar players tend to squabble a lot nga :-D Fight war, not wars
Eh kung wala nito paano na kikita ang mga Major brands at mga Boutique brands?? Kung wala nito ang boring na siguro ng forum :-)
Ang Showbiz natin!
........ aminin ....... :mrgreen:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 12:23:46 PM
If one of you hot shot engineers (I hereby volunteer Jepoy) can record this so-called tone shoot out, provide audio commentary, and edit the whole thing down to 10-15 minutes, I would like to insert this into Episode #3 of the PhilMusic Podcast.
Man you gee-tar players are an endless source of mirth and amusement.
HAHA! YUN NA YUN!
I notice we guitar players tend to squabble a lot nga :-D Fight war, not wars
Eh kung wala nito paano na kikita ang mga Major brands at mga Boutique brands?? Kung wala nito ang boring na siguro ng forum :-)
Ang Showbiz natin!
hehee... totoo. for drama and suspense :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: mclarenjay on August 17, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
Nalintekan na -- just revisited this thread and yikes!!! Sabit pa kami dito!
O sige -- let me add fuel to the fire at deltaslim's suggestion:
Blue Rats at Hobbit House tomorrow, friday night, 17 august:
• The 2 protagonists come and sit in with us -- a neutral band -- for a few songs. • Baker B3 vs. Whatever. • Choices from the Blue Rats' amps, which neither protagonist has: - Low Gain: Fender '59 Bassman RI - Medium Gain: Matchless Brave (40w EL34 1x12 with gain knob and master volume) - High Gain: Mesa Boogie Mark IIb • No "stacking" of the audience by any of protagonists "paying for it" -- everybody welcome to neutral ground. • No unfair performance advantage by "stacking" of the song choices by "familiar" bands. • Videocams welcome. • "Live" is the context, but recorders welcome. • Audience is the judge. • Strike "while the iron is hot", ika nga. • 1st set is at 10:30, but duellers get there early to work out sequence with the Rats. • Venue comes complete with duende(s). :-D
It's an open offer...... Let us know. 8-)
Andy -
First of all, many apologies for dragging you and BR into this. But I do know that you guys are very generous at welcoming jammers so it's under that premise that I invited Alex to come. I didn''t mean it to cause a scene and be disruptive. Far from it.
Second, the terms you've set are all fair and scientific. I agree and accept. Not sure about Alex; he seems averse to scientific approaches.
Third, I have too much respect for you, Kuya Joey, Tom, Johnny, Mai, Vic, Cowboy, and the whole BR clan (then and now) that I feel it's not proper to "bring the circus to your town." You guys have too much class, not crass, like the other guy. Let's make this a one-time thing tonight and I'll keep out of your hair in the future. :-D
Again, many apologies, but a million thanks anyway.
Jeez loiuse -- 4 pages in 12 hours! Now that's a hot thread.
Not a problem delta -- not at all disruptive. More than anything, we were very amused. Circuses are always amusing. :-D
Maeexcited na sana kami kasi alam mo na -- lagi namin hinahanap yung mga "unpredictable" situations na ganito. The more unpredictable, the better. Honestly, gigging almost every week for the last 12 years, we've seen guys come plug in with us armed with everything from killer big-buck Tom Andersons, vintage everythings, and custom shop-historic-boutique-special-one off-what have yous to student model, RJs, Korean-made, fakey-wakeys, beat up, frankenstein axes, and I'll tell you what: in equal measure, the tonal results have either sucked or totally blown us away! It would have been a treat to see what could happen.....
Anyways, probably water under the bridge at this point. Hope nobody loses perspective on the issue -- it's just gear. Carry on gentlemen..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: nathanmanansala on August 17, 2007, 01:35:37 PM
Jeez loiuse -- 4 pages in 12 hours! Now that's a hot thread.
Not a problem delta -- not at all disruptive. More than anything, we were very amused. Circuses are always amusing. :-D
Maeexcited na sana kami kasi alam mo na -- lagi namin hinahanap yung mga "unpredictable" situations na ganito. The more unpredictable, the better. Honestly, gigging almost every week for the last 12 years, we've seen guys come plug in with us armed with everything from killer big-buck Tom Andersons, vintage everythings, and custom shop-historic-boutique-special-one off-what have yous to student model, RJs, Korean-made, fakey-wakeys, beat up, frankenstein axes, and I'll tell you what: in equal measure, the tonal results have either sucked or totally blown us away! It would have been a treat to see what could happen.....
Anyways, probably water under the bridge at this point. Hope nobody loses perspective on the issue -- it's just gear. Carry on gentlemen..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
i've never been to hobbit house. tuloy ba? is any part of it still above water?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 01:37:36 PM
whaw i wanna jam with blue rats :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: lefty on August 17, 2007, 02:09:50 PM
can you imagine how silly the whole thing would look?
"o lets do open A... listen to this... *kerrraaannnngggg*.... hear that? can you feel that C# tingling your spine as it shimmers beat-less against the A?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... note that the low A retains clarity and power even when blending with 4 other notes... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... and i haven't even applied vibrato yet... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*...what do you think eh?..."
"its pretty good... but listen to this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... now, i know the A and C# arent exactly beat-less... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... but that little niggle adds character... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... also, note that, after the initial attack, the chords seems to get louder before decaying slowly... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... can you hear that high E adding sparkle to the chord yet blending in perfectly with the other 5 notes?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"oo nga... may character... but its not perfect.... not like this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
15 hours and 55 minutes later...
"you know, i just noticed, that 4th string is starting to drift on your guitar... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... parang hindi na beat-less against the low A yung E on the 4th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"hindi... thats one instance where it really is in the hands... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... medyo ngalay na kamay ko dito kakahawak ng A e.... gusto mo subukan ibang chord naman?... lipat naman tayo sa open A on the 5th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... madali lang yun... here, leave the 5th string open, ring on the 7th of the 4th string..."
"hep hep hep... bawal hawakan... bawal manggulo... sa A lang tayo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... nangangawit kamay mo?... ibig sabihin di comfortable 'yang neck ng gitara mo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... ako, i can hold this A all week... in fact its all i play... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"... ehem... ser... 5 minutes... last song na po..."
hahahaha! [strawberry] best post!! in the end, its all about if you can rock the [gooey brown stuff]! i mean, i will be in awe watching some guitar freak on the street playing a lumanog but totally flawless and unique, as i would watching Vai on the best gear.. in the end, its what touches your heart and soul..
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: lefty on August 17, 2007, 02:17:45 PM
Nalintekan na -- just revisited this thread and yikes!!! Sabit pa kami dito!
O sige -- let me add fuel to the fire at deltaslim's suggestion:
Blue Rats at Hobbit House tomorrow, friday night, 17 august:
• The 2 protagonists come and sit in with us -- a neutral band -- for a few songs. • Baker B3 vs. Whatever. • Choices from the Blue Rats' amps, which neither protagonist has: - Low Gain: Fender '59 Bassman RI - Medium Gain: Matchless Brave (40w EL34 1x12 with gain knob and master volume) - High Gain: Mesa Boogie Mark IIb • No "stacking" of the audience by any of protagonists "paying for it" -- everybody welcome to neutral ground. • No unfair performance advantage by "stacking" of the song choices by "familiar" bands. • Videocams welcome. • "Live" is the context, but recorders welcome. • Audience is the judge. • Strike "while the iron is hot", ika nga. • 1st set is at 10:30, but duellers get there early to work out sequence with the Rats. • Venue comes complete with duende(s). :-D
It's an open offer...... Let us know. 8-)
yeeha! its just like the Wild West! i love it.. there you guys go..
Are you ready?? are you ready?? lets get it awwwwn!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: orangeogre on August 17, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
exciting ito... sana maka punta din ako. Pero sa mga makapag record, i-YouTUbe nyo naman ito :-)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: markflo on August 17, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
i will only allow this thread to continue...
provided that you use this as the song for your "ufc" style shootout...
if not, banned lahat....
:evil:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: andrew_O_O on August 17, 2007, 02:39:02 PM
me thinks this thread shud be renamed from "why i hate artist endorsed brands" to "artists who sell themselves out"
cuz almost all brands have an artist endorsing em. you gna hate ibanez, fender, gibson, boss, digitech, dunlop, ghs, daddario, etc?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Taoistguitarist on August 17, 2007, 02:43:12 PM
you might hate them if you have a baker :wink: :-D joke!!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: blue buddha on August 17, 2007, 02:47:13 PM
i've never been to hobbit house. tuloy ba? is any part of it still above water?
Nate, definitely drop in tonight. The hobbits say tuloy -- the water hasn't gone over their heads daw. :-D Unfortunately, mukhang time out ang UFC match.
No problem. One criterion lang naman to jam: get someone to vouch for the fact that you can play -- para naman hindi kawawa ang audience! Sa amin ok lang, pero some bar managers have asked us to spare their clientele from bad jammers. Marami dito sa philmusic ang makaka-vouch for you. A partial listing:
tele tubby, messyhands, nathan m, toybitz, vegetable joe, tolits, bamf, deltaslim, lefty, whitey, dyanibee, dopedeeva, deacon blues, kedy sanchez, firemodel, arie,.... etc.... basta anyone who knows the rats from gigs -- can't remember all the handles. You'd be welcome.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 17, 2007, 02:49:50 PM
No problem. One criterion lang naman to jam: get someone to vouch for the fact that you can play -- para naman hindi kawawa ang audience! Sa amin ok lang, pero some bar managers have asked us to spare their clientele from bad jammers. Marami dito sa philmusic ang makaka-vouch for you. A partial listing:
tele tubby, messyhands, nathan m, toybitz, vegetable joe, tolits, bamf, deltaslim, lefty, whitey, dyanibee, dopedeeva, deacon blues, kedy sanchez, firemodel, arie,.... etc.... basta anyone who knows the rats from gigs -- can't remember all the handles. You'd be welcome.
uhhhh junji lerma??? :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 03:31:00 PM
"Una kailangan FIRST to own ka! Tapos the ONLY one to have one! And then kailangan the BEST specimen yung iyo! Tapos ngayon kailangan "SPECIAL" pa! Waaaaah! " Thats you pickin on the Baker#55.
At may # pa ha! Talagang special!
That's YOU assuming I'm picking on you/your Baker. I'm picking on the behavior of people like you and me who have GAS. How come you ommitted the intro ("Ang hirap ng may GAS...") and the last part, "Life is hard; and then we die?" Selective hearing ka talaga e.
Challenge Accepted -- December 31,2007 --- The day before New Year's at Shin's Studio at Tandang Sora. Band Context: Jingle on Drums, Lito on Bass, Arie on Guitar and Vocals. My gear versus your gear. No sharing.
WTF?! December? Ano to, international conference na months in advance? At new year's eve pa? Anyway, I accept it! But don't expect me to stay into the evening. I'd rather spend the holiday with my family cuz it's new year's after all. Morning or afternoon is not a problem tho.
Let me clarify tho, it's your Baker gtr vs. any of my guitars, as you said in your challenge. Not just generic "your gear" vs "my gear." The control variables need to be limited. Unless, you're trying to pull a fast one. ;-) In fact, the amps should be the same.
But since that is so far off, I've got an idea, something more realistic and concrete. Let's do a prequel shootout this Saturday evening. Bring yourself and your Baker to the Blueskrieg gig on Sat sa Club Dredd/Gweilo's sa Eastwood Libis. Let's jam with Plug or whoever is up there. Or just have an open jam, I know we can count on the other musicians to join in. Mas lalong patas since the group and amps will be an unknown variable.
But the Dec 31 thing is still on cuz I keep my word. After Sat, you'll have time to bond more with your instrument. Good for you cuz I will have changed guitars several times over by then! LOL!
Now thats settled. Just because I don't agree with your comments and find you inconsistent with your posts and point that out, you brand me as rude and biased. Otherwise, I will not comment on any of your other posts until 2008. Peace. Let us agree not get into each other's way till then.
Alex, you didn't just "disagree with my comments". You did more than that. Reread your posts and instrospect. You'll find true peace if and when you don't feel the urge anymore to call people out just because they disagree with you. You'll find peace if and when you accept that some people (not me) may have better gear and tone than you... may have more knowledge than you... have more patience, grace, and manners than you.
Sir Mukhang Kayo pala ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic... sama naman ako sa band mo.... Talagang pangarap ko na makasama ang magagaling n musician dito sa pinas... sa lugar kasi namin ako lang maayos magbass... ito ang tunog ko sir...
Pwede ba akong makasama sa band nyo... Then Magpalit tayo ng name... Yung mas may bigat at dating... mas matured kung baga... Deltaslim, the guitar hero and the superband 2007
Sir Balita ko na sinabi nyo na maganda yung tele ni sir arie, nakatalo ng Vintage fender telecaster... Totoo ba to? parang ganyan yung tele ng kaibigan ko... yari sa "bakawan" n wood... pero grabe ang tone. Grabe pala ang tenga nyo sir... Pareho tayo... perfect pitch kasi ako.... Pagnakuha ko na ang "DO" note sa isang scale... alam ko na agad ang "RE" note... Di ko akalain na perfect pitch pala ako... Kaso yung DO kailangan kung sumabay sa bass note ko.... at saka ko makukuha ang re note...
Sana mabuo na natin yung superband.... Kayo na ang vocals at guitar at ako sa bass. may nagsabi kasi sakin... grabe ang tone ng boses nyo... fender din.. Glassy at 7.25 ang radius pagnasa high notes na kayo.... Papanoorin ko kayo sir... ikaw ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic.. At Mabuhay ang bandang bubuuin natin... SUPERBAND 2007.. ito pala ang sound ko sir
Sir Mukhang Kayo pala ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic... sama naman ako sa band mo.... Talagang pangarap ko na makasama ang magagaling sito sa pinas... sa lugar kasi namin ako lang maayos magbass... ito ang tunog ko sir...
Pwede ba akong makasama sa band nyo... Then Magpalit tayo ng name... Yung mas may bigat at dating... mas matured kung baga... Deltaslim, the guitar hero and the superband 2007
Sir Balita ko na sinabi nyo na maganda yung tele ni sir ari, nakatalo ng Vintage fender telecaster... Totoo ba to? parang ganyan yung tele ng kaibigan ko... yari sa bakawan... pero grabe ang tone. Grabe pala ang tenga nyo sir... Pareho tayo... perfect pitch kasi ako.... Pagnakuha ko na ang DO note sa isang scale... alam ko na agad ang RE note... Di ko akalain na perfect pitch pala ako... Kaso yung DO kailangan kung sumabay sa bass note ko.... at saka ko makukuha ang re note...
Sana mabuo na natin yung superband.... Kayo na ang vocals at guitar at ako sa bass. may nagsabi kasi sakin... grabe ang tone ng boses nyo... fender din.. Glassy at 7.25 ang radius pagnasa high notes na kayo.... Papanoorin ko kayo sir... ikaw ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic.. At Mabuhay ang bandang bubuuin natin... SUPERBAND 2007.. ito pala ang sound ko sir
Sir Mukhang Kayo pala ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic... sama naman ako sa band mo.... Talagang pangarap ko na makasama ang magagaling sito sa pinas... sa lugar kasi namin ako lang maayos magbass... ito ang tunog ko sir...
Pwede ba akong makasama sa band nyo... Then Magpalit tayo ng name... Yung mas may bigat at dating... mas matured kung baga... Deltaslim, the guitar hero and the superband 2007
Sir Balita ko na sinabi nyo na maganda yung tele ni sir ari, nakatalo ng Vintage fender telecaster... Totoo ba to? parang ganyan yung tele ng kaibigan ko... yari sa bakawan... pero grabe ang tone. Grabe pala ang tenga nyo sir... Pareho tayo... perfect pitch kasi ako.... Pagnakuha ko na ang DO note sa isang scale... alam ko na agad ang RE note... Di ko akalain na perfect pitch pala ako... Kaso yung DO kailangan kung sumabay sa bass note ko.... at saka ko makukuha ang re note...
Sana mabuo na natin yung superband.... Kayo na ang vocals at guitar at ako sa bass. may nagsabi kasi sakin... grabe ang tone ng boses nyo... fender din.. Glassy at 7.25 ang radius pagnasa high notes na kayo.... Papanoorin ko kayo sir... ikaw ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic.. At Mabuhay ang bandang bubuuin natin... SUPERBAND 2007.. ito pala ang sound ko sir
Sir Mukhang Kayo pala ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic... sama naman ako sa band mo.... Talagang pangarap ko na makasama ang magagaling sito sa pinas... sa lugar kasi namin ako lang maayos magbass... ito ang tunog ko sir...
Pwede ba akong makasama sa band nyo... Then Magpalit tayo ng name... Yung mas may bigat at dating... mas matured kung baga... Deltaslim, the guitar hero and the superband 2007
Sir Balita ko na sinabi nyo na maganda yung tele ni sir ari, nakatalo ng Vintage fender telecaster... Totoo ba to? parang ganyan yung tele ng kaibigan ko... yari sa bakawan... pero grabe ang tone. Grabe pala ang tenga nyo sir... Pareho tayo... perfect pitch kasi ako.... Pagnakuha ko na ang DO note sa isang scale... alam ko na agad ang RE note... Di ko akalain na perfect pitch pala ako... Kaso yung DO kailangan kung sumabay sa bass note ko.... at saka ko makukuha ang re note...
Sana mabuo na natin yung superband.... Kayo na ang vocals at guitar at ako sa bass. may nagsabi kasi sakin... grabe ang tone ng boses nyo... fender din.. Glassy at 7.25 ang radius pagnasa high notes na kayo.... Papanoorin ko kayo sir... ikaw ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic.. At Mabuhay ang bandang bubuuin natin... SUPERBAND 2007.. ito pala ang sound ko sir
Sir Mukhang Kayo pala ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic... sama naman ako sa band mo.... Talagang pangarap ko na makasama ang magagaling sito sa pinas... sa lugar kasi namin ako lang maayos magbass... ito ang tunog ko sir...
Pwede ba akong makasama sa band nyo... Then Magpalit tayo ng name... Yung mas may bigat at dating... mas matured kung baga... Deltaslim, the guitar hero and the superband 2007
Sir Balita ko na sinabi nyo na maganda yung tele ni sir ari, nakatalo ng Vintage fender telecaster... Totoo ba to? parang ganyan yung tele ng kaibigan ko... yari sa bakawan... pero grabe ang tone. Grabe pala ang tenga nyo sir... Pareho tayo... perfect pitch kasi ako.... Pagnakuha ko na ang DO note sa isang scale... alam ko na agad ang RE note... Di ko akalain na perfect pitch pala ako... Kaso yung DO kailangan kung sumabay sa bass note ko.... at saka ko makukuha ang re note...
Sana mabuo na natin yung superband.... Kayo na ang vocals at guitar at ako sa bass. may nagsabi kasi sakin... grabe ang tone ng boses nyo... fender din.. Glassy at 7.25 ang radius pagnasa high notes na kayo.... Papanoorin ko kayo sir... ikaw ang GUITAR HERO ng philmusic.. At Mabuhay ang bandang bubuuin natin... SUPERBAND 2007.. ito pala ang sound ko sir
just ignore that guy! i didnt even dare listen to his demo... meron ba namang nag comment na "BASURA"
grabe ka naman....mahirap kasi ipaliwanag kung ano ang tone at lalim ng mga notes ko... Naiintindihan kita bro... hindi mo maarok ang lalim ng music namin... pareho kami ni deltaslim, may lalim... LISTENING lang bro
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: badongrodrigs on August 17, 2007, 07:25:15 PM
just ignore that guy! i didnt even dare listen to his demo... meron ba namang nag comment na "BASURA"
grabe ka naman....mahirap kasi ipaliwanag kung ano ang tone at lalim ng mga notes ko... Naiintindihan kita bro... hindi mo maarok ang lalim ng music namin... pareho kami ni deltaslim, may lalim... LISTENING lang bro
:lol: :lol: :lol:
we cannot comprehend your level of virtuosity, o tone master. forgive us.
:roll:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: tejadster on August 17, 2007, 07:59:29 PM
ginagawa lang kse nila yon para sa pera....
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: titser_marco on August 17, 2007, 08:03:36 PM
just ignore that guy! i didnt even dare listen to his demo... meron ba namang nag comment na "BASURA"
grabe ka naman....mahirap kasi ipaliwanag kung ano ang tone at lalim ng mga notes ko... Naiintindihan kita bro... hindi mo maarok ang lalim ng music namin... pareho kami ni deltaslim, may lalim... LISTENING lang bro
Effing moron.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Chito on August 17, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
Bump... hahahahaha :-D :-D :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 09:49:27 PM
just ignore that guy! i didnt even dare listen to his demo... meron ba namang nag comment na "BASURA"
grabe ka naman....mahirap kasi ipaliwanag kung ano ang tone at lalim ng mga notes ko... Naiintindihan kita bro... hindi mo maarok ang lalim ng music namin... pareho kami ni deltaslim, may lalim... LISTENING lang bro
AY NAKU i wasted some time listening to that and i was at first like "ok, maybe gusto niya outside and atonal" pero parang naging sabog sabog lang :roll:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: skunkyfunk on August 17, 2007, 09:54:25 PM
Call ako with the Randall 300W 4x12 with Celestion 70-80s. :evil: :evil: :evil:
First off, if this is some MYTHBUSTERS approach, we should take out as many variables that can invalidate the shootout. But as it seems, it is now, PLAYER + GEAR. A few qualms though:
1. Everything should be done in both a SOLO and LIVE BAND CONTEXT. No Backing tracks.
2. Recording it in Shinji's studio would be great, but just a reminder... Recording is just like taking a videoclip of your honeymoon... Only the couple and the people around them can really relate best to the experience. That means, if you're invited, you would be the best judge and not someone else who hears/sees it on video and only the video.
3. PERFECT SOUND REPRODUCTION is the goal. Try to setup the mics assuming the LEAST TO NO POST-PROD INTERVENTION. You can cheat on guitars cutting through the mix ya know? The drums should sound ambient, and the close drum mics should not be overpowering the whole mix. In other words, the goal here is to approximate the mix to have a good representation of the experience as if you were there. Sorry, but different playback systems can easily invalidate someone else's opinion .
4. JAM NA 'TO!!!!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: trem3 on August 17, 2007, 09:58:04 PM
sana man lang huwag kalimutan ang vids...
pwede na sa Youtube ok?
panis na ang Pacquiao - Barrera II... Deltaslim vs OAS na ang inaabangan
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: skunkyfunk on August 17, 2007, 09:59:18 PM
So why endorse if you know you will change sound and taste? And thats the irony of being a paid artist if you know that you will change sound and taste. You should NOT endorse and this was my point.
I mentioned that the new Legacy will be three channel.
Vai cannot give up because Ibanez cannot as yet at this point in time produce something better sounding than EVO or FLO. I know lots of guys who keep guitars because of sentimental reasons but will gladly use a better sounding guitar that does not have any sentimental reason. Its this simple, for a make or brake important gig in your life, would you rather use a sentimental guitar or a killer sounding one? Imagine that Steve Vai has to give a daily dose of killer sounding shows, do you think that sentiment is important to him? Look at it, he now has BO and I bet that it has less sentiment than EVO and FLO. Not bad for ibanez, 3 great sounding JEMS out of 30,000 produced in the last 20 years?
teka ha.. nde ko pa nababasa buong thread, but i just have to comment on this..
kaya nga may time period ang endorsement kadalasan eh.. kasi nde naman talaga permanent ang tone na gsto nang isang tao eh..
at syempre, magbabago isip natin, kasi nde pa naman siguro (kahit hanggang ngayon pa) hindi pa nadidiscover ni vai yung tone na talagang pinakagsto niya..
ahehe..
sige basa pa ako
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 17, 2007, 11:46:37 PM
Uy pare, nagiba nga yung topic ng thread na to hehhe :lol:
Anyway. Onga, isn't it OK to endorse the sound YOU LIKE AT THE MOMENT? Then not endorse it when you change tastes? And that's why nga as danj0 said may time period :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 18, 2007, 12:30:47 AM
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: orangeogre on August 18, 2007, 01:29:08 AM
ano na kaya ang nangyari?? parang episode ng TV series ahhh...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: trem3 on August 18, 2007, 02:18:00 AM
excited kayo ah...
sa December pa... pero malamang may primer yan.
kahit ipakita lang yung mga gitara at amps na gagamitin.
kakaexcite!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 04:54:30 AM
danjo,
Metallica have been with ESP for the longest time. Even Hetfield's favorite is the white Explorer first made by ESP in the early 90s. Though I am an ESP fan because their Custom Shops are really amazing -- more amazing than a lot of American Major Brands and Custom Guitars and because their customs shops have a higher success rate when it comes to picking up a good sounding one (about 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 versus the American brands of 1 in 100), I still tried out Custom Shop Signatures by Hetfield and Hammet that sounded dead.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 18, 2007, 04:57:47 AM
Alex
Gising ka na? It's like 5am over there right? Early riser ka pala. Going golfing?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 05:02:42 AM
Seriously, beyond UFC, I am trying to make this a bit more fun and more relaxed.
Somebody suggested to me that I should just book a movie theater to fit in more people and that person felt that a movie theater is also acoustically ideal. However, I feel that the studio might sound better and that would mean we would have to haul a lot of gear to a movie house. What do you guys think?
Deltaslim,
Pumayag na si Arie and Lito. Also, I told Arie to ask to Nen to cater. Do your share ang pay for your own portion. Thanks.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 05:07:55 AM
PRSman,
I wake up early and sleep early. Have to be at work early too. I am more a morning person.
Did you use to live in White Plains? Mike did mention somebody named Eric who lived in the same village.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 18, 2007, 05:13:36 AM
I wake up early and sleep early. Have to be at work early too. I am more a morning person.
Did you use to live in White Plains? Mike did mention somebody named Eric who lived in the same village.
Yup
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 05:16:15 AM
PRSman,
I live on Pinesville. Moved into the house back in 1973 when I was 2 years old. Mike also told me that you used to have a Mesa Boogie amp. I think an original Mark 1? That was the first time he heard a Mesa Boogie. Any plans to come back?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 18, 2007, 05:28:53 AM
I live on Pinesville. Moved into the house back in 1973 when I was 2 years old. Mike also told me that you used to have a Mesa Boogie amp. I think an original Mark 1? That was the first time he heard a Mesa Boogie. Any plans to come back?
Ha ha... small world pala. Mike's mistaking me for someone else though. When I was still in Manila, my only amp was a (brace yourself) JB Musicmart 100 watter! Definitely not a Mesa. I remember Mike. One batch lower nga ata sa La Salle. Does he join this forum? Nice guy.
I really want to come back, and raise my kids over there. Pero saka na. Too complicated at this stage. Sayang, ang dali sanang makihiram ng amp sa yo... :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 05:34:06 AM
Yup Mike has an ID. I think its still YJMCowboy.
Anytime, you can still borrow my amps. Do you still have a house in white plains?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Phil on August 18, 2007, 05:38:08 AM
Uy Eric ...superrich ka pala sa atin... don't forget me.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 18, 2007, 05:45:48 AM
Uy Eric ...superrich ka pala sa atin... don't forget me.
Ha ha ha... sira ka boss Phil! I wish, I wish, I wish. Kung rich man, rich sa utang... :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 05:50:10 AM
BAMF,
Though I understand the need for a more scientific method, e.g. double blind test, it only is useful if people know what to look for. Given that some do not know how to define what a good sounding guitar, or what a good sounding FX pedal or good sounding amp should be, scientific methods fall short. In addition, since we are testing a guitar, majority of what a makes a magical guitar good has to do with personal feel i.e. I encourage people to bring their own amp and guitar set up that they are familiar with to test the Baker with their own hands. I believe this is a superior test for a guitar.
However, I do not discount that even a magical guitar will sound better to listeners. For example, about a few Soul Bender gigs ago, some of the audience noticed how Baker#55 in Arie's hands sounded just right versus Tokai Tele in Arie's hands for the song Layla in comparison to the other guitarist. But thats coming from the audience which has not yet been consistently established. For info, Arie was plugged into a Yamaha Solid State combo with just a tiny hair of boost on a TS9 while the other guy had a loud tube amp with at least two boost/drive pedals engaged.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: bokyo on August 18, 2007, 05:51:50 AM
to each his own lang yan. what may sounds bad to you sounds good to others. sabi nga nila the search for the perfect tone is a never ending quest!!! :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: PRSMan on August 18, 2007, 05:52:38 AM
Anytime, you can still borrow my amps. Do you still have a house in white plains?
Yup, magkalapit lang tayo. I miss the area. I still remember the store sa kanto ng Pinesville and Katipunan where I used to buy yosi... :-D
We're trying to visit this December, but di pa sure. Kung makauwi ako, I'll definitely take you up on your offer to try out your amps. There's no place in Dallas that's got a wide selection of amps. There's one store with mostly Bogners and Dr Zs, and one with Zinkys and Riveras. But that's about it.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 06:07:34 AM
Deltaslim,
Since you jam a lot with Blue Rats, where do YOU think YOU belong? To the SUCKED or TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 07:19:37 AM
Bokyo,
If you read this thread from the start. I meant KANYA KANYA ang timbre but when it comes to sound character there is a standard wherein a great majority of people will gravitate and pick.
If you read ToneQuest Report, there was one story wherein Tonequest and a reputable dealer actually picked a Certain Gibson Gold Top Historic over two hundred other Gibsons in inventory. How is it possible that Tonequest and the dealer could pick one best out of over two hundred Gibsons -- which I bet you have never been exposed to all in one location -- kung KANYA KANYA lang iyan?
If you feel that way, then you have to learn to separate timbre from guitar character first which will be a great learning experience. Ganoon rin ako dati until Arie taught me how to differentiate between the two.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: tam_guitar on August 18, 2007, 07:27:29 AM
Fire,
i deleted my post. its not worth posting. its a saturday morning. i dnt want to start my day with something like that.
i got ur point.
GUDMORNING! :lol:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 07:28:29 AM
Tam,
Too late... Na post ko before I realized that you had deleted...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 07:29:56 AM
Tam,
Just deleted it. I hope you got my point. Thanks for reading thru it though.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 18, 2007, 07:42:22 AM
Pumayag na si Arie and Lito. Also, I told Arie to ask to Nen to cater. Do your share ang pay for your own portion. Thanks.
I've decided not to un-necessarily add any more publicity than you already create. But this takes the cake. Lito texted me the other day saying this whole thing you're dragging them into was just a big pain. "Nadamay pa kami" was what he said.
Now dinamay mo pa ang wife ni Arie, utusan mo pa magpa-cater? Even though I'm not responsible, I'm certainly ashamed that fine people like Nenen has to be involved.
You are the one coming up with these crazy sideshows, so you are responsible for them. I've good and ready to engage you in a shootout since the other day until Dec 30. That's all that matters. But you have to have it your way so just go on concocting your production number, taking gtr lessons in preparation, and getting acquainted with all the bowteek gear you're dreaming of blowing people away with.
It really amazes me what stuff you'd do just to feed your ego. You've reached an all-time low. I'll wait for your new record-breaking feat.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 18, 2007, 07:49:38 AM
Though I understand the need for a more scientific method, e.g. double blind test, it only is useful if people know what to look for. Given that some do not know how to define what a good sounding guitar, or what a good sounding FX pedal or good sounding amp should be, scientific methods fall short. In addition, since we are testing a guitar, majority of what a makes a magical guitar good has to do with personal feel i.e. I encourage people to bring their own amp and guitar set up that they are familiar with to test the Baker with their own hands. I believe this is a superior test for a guitar.
However, I do not discount that even a magical guitar will sound better to listeners. For example, about a few Soul Bender gigs ago, some of the audience noticed how Baker#55 in Arie's hands sounded just right versus Tokai Tele in Arie's hands for the song Layla in comparison to the other guitarist. But thats coming from the audience which has not yet been consistently established. For info, Arie was plugged into a Yamaha Solid State combo with just a tiny hair of boost on a TS9 while the other guy had a loud tube amp with at least two boost/drive pedals engaged.
We all now what kind of self-serving critic you are so I'll take this with a grain of salt... but let me just say this:
Why not do a full report and describe how the Baker sounded majority of the time, in Steve's hands? Arie used the Baker for about 3 or 4 songs. Steve used it on more than a dozen and through a 59 Bassman at that!
And how about describing it on its own terms in the context of the band and the musical styles covered, without adding side-remarks about other gtrsts?
Just a suggestion... which I'm sure you'll skirt also and talk trash instead.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 07:51:57 AM
Deltaslim,
I am paying for the catering except for your meal. I know its a big pain for Lito and Arie. Arie and Lito are good friends. So, I had to ask a favor. As I recall you are the one who wanted a sideshow preview on 17th and 18th.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 07:55:33 AM
Deltaslim,
Cool ka lang. I qualified the statement: But thats coming from the audience which has not yet been consistently established.
I was addressing BAMF. Please dont butt in.
Thanks.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 08:02:50 AM
Deltaslim,
What are you insinuating about Steve? Personally, just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, in the occasions where you did not lord it over volume wise, Steve had tastier licks then you did. Must smooth and calming ang dating niya. The guy is courteous enough because he could have easily overpowered you with his Bassman and Zendrive.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 18, 2007, 08:24:49 AM
What are you insinuating about Steve? Personally, just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, in the occasions where you did not lord it over volume wise, Steve had tastier licks then you did. Must smooth and calming ang dating niya. The guy is courteous enough because he could have easily overpowered you with his Bassman and Zendrive.
I'm not insinuating anything and don't, for a second, try and put words into my mouth cuz you'll pay for it. Steve and I know each other well enough and long enough to talk objectively about these things. You on the other hand have a poor record at objective and intelligent discourse.
The point is that you are a biased critic so why should people trust you? You do a review of a guitar and choose to review only the short time that your idol plays it. How about when it was used by other people through other effects, other amps, for other songs, other styles AT THE SAME GIG? Have you also established that you you have a good ear for blues tone as well? Your choice of amps betray your bias and lack of background credibility on the subject.
How about other gigs or times when it was used by other people, like Miks? How about if you repost his review. I had my own review but tamed it down cuz I know how sensitive and balat-sibuyas you are to any hint of negative feedback. Well, enough of that. You talk a lot of trash and it's the trashy truth that you'll get from now on.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 18, 2007, 08:49:36 AM
I am paying for the catering except for your meal.
Haha... 3rd grade again!! No need to feed me cuz I can pay for my own and it won't take long enough for people to go hungry before they realize what a self-promoting loser you are.
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I know its a big pain for Lito and Arie.
Yeah, I know cuz they told me.
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As I recall you are the one who wanted a sideshow preview on 17th and 18th.
Haha... I suggest you prioritize English language lessons before the guitar lessons. How can a side-show be a preview at the same time? Kaya nga side e!
Besides, 17th and 18th were my own challenge to you for a scientific and unbiased shootout. For the record, you didn't accept the challenge. You chickened out. You only the want were you can prepare long enough for a lutong macaw. It don't matter cuz you'll still become the butt of jokes for all eternity.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 18, 2007, 09:04:29 AM
;
longest catfight in the making... 4.5 months to go! :lol:
ano nangyari sir deltaslim? i thought 'graduate' ka na kay oas?
;
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: bluenote on August 18, 2007, 09:08:08 AM
Yun na nga eh pinapatagal pa eh... lets get it on nah!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: deltaslim on August 18, 2007, 09:09:49 AM
longest catfight in the making... 4.5 months to go! :lol:
ano nangyari sir deltaslim? i thought 'graduate' ka na kay oas?
;
Good point, oloc. And you're not the only one that has pointed that out. Daming nag PM at nag-txt sa akin that I'm only stooping down to the gutter.
But what do we really have in this world except our name and our character, our dignity and credibility that extends to our family? Sori, tao lang din po ako.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 18, 2007, 09:17:18 AM
Anytime, you can still borrow my amps. Do you still have a house in white plains?
Yup, magkalapit lang tayo. I miss the area. I still remember the store sa kanto ng Pinesville and Katipunan where I used to buy yosi... :-D
We're trying to visit this December, but di pa sure. Kung makauwi ako, I'll definitely take you up on your offer to try out your amps. There's no place in Dallas that's got a wide selection of amps. There's one store with mostly Bogners and Dr Zs, and one with Zinkys and Riveras. But that's about it.
When I went to Charley's, they had a bunch of great guitar amps there. Didn't find anything interesting there? I got a THD Hot Plate for $150 there, good place to GAS up :evil:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 18, 2007, 09:38:24 AM
Huy keep your cool guys.. Please avoid all the namecalling and stuff because that's what's causing discord here. Thanks :)
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
oloc, bluenote, Deltaslim,
Just wait 4.5 months. My terms on My time.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 09:53:09 AM
Oloc,
I am not the center of the universe. If you don't like my posts you don't have to read them you know.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Single Stroke Seven on August 18, 2007, 10:00:09 AM
A magical guitar for me is one where you just don't want to put it down because it sounds so nice hearing it and you cannot stop playing it because it plays like a dream -- almost no weariness at all in your hands. Also magical because the guitar always comes up with surprises and gives different sounds relative to how you fret and pick the strings. Finally, for some unexplicable reason, the guitar is inspiring.
i just realized ang babaw ko pala.
playing guitar itself is inspiring for me. which is why its all i think about. even when i'm at work. or when my boss is giving me "gentle reminders" kasi i was thinking about playing my guitar when i should've been thinking about what i was working on. or eating. or out watching a movie. or during those few minutes right before i fall asleep. and when i wake up in the morning, the first thought that enters my mind is "do i have time to pick up the guitar and play before getting ready for work?" basta. 99% of the time, when i'm not playing guitar, i'm thinking about it. yung remaining 1% is yung blissful moment sa toilet. but guess what? i almost always do my business while reading a guitar mag. :lol:
*sigh* i'm such a geek. i've been playing more than half my life now and ganto pa din ako.
Para palang ako! Only thing is, change the word "guitar" to SEX and change the words "guitar mag" to PLAYBOY! :-D
Lighten up you guys! :lol:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
Deltaslim,
If you are not insinuating anything, please don't try to bring in the names of other people like Steve. Thanks.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: bluenote on August 18, 2007, 10:09:46 AM
No offense Alex I just want to hear high caliber gear to be pitted against each other. Medyo exiting eh hehehe...
you're not going to hear that. the guitars and amps are just going to sit there. until someone picks them up. but, even then, they won't even look at each other with bad intentions.
they're peaceful folks and they probably won't even know what's going on. :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 18, 2007, 10:39:21 AM
I am not the center of the universe. If you don't like my posts you don't have to read them you know.
uy! suplado... binabawal mo makipag butt in si deltaslim sa usapan nyo ni BAMF tapos mangingialam ka sa usapan namin... besides, we're talking about oas, the Banned Bad Boy (B3? :lol: )... you're not oas right? cause if you are, oas is still banned here AFAIK.
cool ka lang Firemodel55, masaya tong thread. wag sanang ma lock.
.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: BAMF on August 18, 2007, 10:55:34 AM
Anytime, you can still borrow my amps. Do you still have a house in white plains?
Yup, magkalapit lang tayo. I miss the area. I still remember the store sa kanto ng Pinesville and Katipunan where I used to buy yosi... :-D
We're trying to visit this December, but di pa sure. Kung makauwi ako, I'll definitely take you up on your offer to try out your amps. There's no place in Dallas that's got a wide selection of amps. There's one store with mostly Bogners and Dr Zs, and one with Zinkys and Riveras. But that's about it.
When I went to Charley's, they had a bunch of great guitar amps there. Didn't find anything interesting there? I got a THD Hot Plate for $150 there, good place to GAS up :evil:
Charley's is a nice shop. Amps are mostly Bogners and Dr Zs, and used Fenders and Marshalls. So kung namimili ka among those four, okay na. But they're not like the Boutique Guitar Exchange in Atlanta na 15-20 ata ang amp brands na meron sila. The problem with Charley's though is that they don't always have stuff in stock. They'll have a lot of the traded-in Fenders and Marshalls, but only a few units of the Bogners and Dr Zs at a time.
Wala ka bang conference ulit dito in the near future? Give me a call the next time you're in town.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: oloc on August 18, 2007, 11:39:34 AM
Charley's is a nice shop. Amps are mostly Bogners and Dr Zs, and used Fenders and Marshalls. So kung namimili ka among those four, okay na. But they're not like the Boutique Guitar Exchange in Atlanta na 15-20 ata ang amp brands na meron sila. The problem with Charley's though is that they don't always have stuff in stock. They'll have a lot of the traded-in Fenders and Marshalls, but only a few units of the Bogners and Dr Zs at a time.
Wala ka bang conference ulit dito in the near future? Give me a call the next time you're in town.
I might be there again early next year. Sayang di ko nameet si guitarbrat1, I was supposed to meet up with him to check out his stocks but my dad and I had to go somewhere else on that day. Buti na lang kasi ubos pera na naman ako nun if ever :lol:
longest catfight in the making... 4.5 months to go! :lol:
ano nangyari sir deltaslim? i thought 'graduate' ka na kay oas?
;
back when i was training in martial arts and posting in martial arts forums ... this kind of internet conflict is usually ended with a sparring. of course, ive heard stories where it escalated and gang wars, knives and guns became involved...
one thing i have learned though, the 2 fighters who will spar do not communicate anymore as soon as the "match" is set. so i guess delta and firemodel should focus their hatred on their skills and smoke each other out when they meet *lol*
i have to admit... 4 months is kind of a long wait. there must be a lot of training involved like when daniel mumbaki fought one of his rivals in URCC1 ... the match lasted like 3 minutes or something, hehehe.
OK, i am OT... but then again, this thread is WAY OT *lol* i really should stop visiting this and adding side comments, hehehe...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: legato on August 18, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
Summary: firemodel55: your tone is abrasive deltaslim: YOU are abrasive
:-D :-D :-D
* opens chippy *
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 18, 2007, 12:12:40 PM
If you are not insinuating anything, please don't try to bring in the names of other people like Steve. Thanks.
Again, you tip toe around the real issue and bring something irrelevant. Where's the full review? Besides, I think you forgot that you are the ultimate #1 all-time record-holder name-dropper. All your posts are full of name dropping. Pati yung universal characteristics of a good guitar mo plagiarized from Arie. Think you're so special? He's been telling that to all his clients for years!!! So shut your mouth about name-dropping, will ya?!
As for me, I've had enough of this. You are not worth my time and bandwidth. Unless you provoke me any further, I'll just let my fingers do the talking and wait for you to show up at a real, unbiased and scientific challenge. I'm keeping score:
Aug 17 - you chickened out Aug 18 - you chickened out (but i'm a nice guy so i'll give you until the open jam to be a man) Aug TBC - i'll schedule a date in a studio using the same terms and conditions are you are setting for Dec 30 so it shouldn't be a problem for you. minus the stupid side-show you like having. Sept TBC - other gigs and studio dates Oct TBC - other gigs and studio dates Nov TBC - other gigs and studio dates Dec 30 - your idiotic production number involving a cast of thousands.
Since you are so brazen to throw down challenges, let's see if you are man enough to accept real shootout challenges. Or I may just be counting how many times you chicken out from them. If you want this thread locked, let your fingers do the talking. Let's get it on. NOW!
Over and out... for now.
* resumes count *
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: leech on August 18, 2007, 03:55:15 PM
pwede bang sumama sa Dec 30? makiki amuyong lang.... :-D :-D :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: firemodel55 on August 18, 2007, 03:57:06 PM
Deltaslim,
You agreed to my challenge on my terms and my timing. Too bad that I won't agree to your challenge. You just have to wait for December 30.
I want to have the thread locked because its so disgusting to see you whine and you are so full of negative energy that there is nothing constructive happening.
Since you love chicken so much, I will ask Nen to prepare Drunken Chicken for you on December 30.
Its really pitiful dude. This was not at all the spirit of the challenge.
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: chito_eoi on August 18, 2007, 04:11:23 PM
yeah, this thread is gettin' out of hand.... OT na lahat since the previous page im wonderin' what the next thread title should be?
alex, am i invited on the 30th of Dec?, pramis di ako malakas kumain
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Al_Librero on August 18, 2007, 06:29:58 PM
wala lang... nakabasa na naman ako ng future classic line na puwedeng ilagay sa sig. :lol:
anyway, i'm all for amusingly heated arguments such as this, pero off-topic na nga masyado. hehehehe.
maybe someone can split this thread? i mean separate the posts about artist endorsements and the posts about the Joric-Alex shootout?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: blue buddha on August 18, 2007, 07:16:07 PM
By far the two most relevant, meaningful, and hysterically funny posts on this thread......
can you imagine how silly the whole thing would look?
"o lets do open A... listen to this... *kerrraaannnngggg*.... hear that? can you feel that C# tingling your spine as it shimmers beat-less against the A?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... note that the low A retains clarity and power even when blending with 4 other notes... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... and i haven't even applied vibrato yet... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*...what do you think eh?..."
"its pretty good... but listen to this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... now, i know the A and C# arent exactly beat-less... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... but that little niggle adds character... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... also, note that, after the initial attack, the chords seems to get louder before decaying slowly... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... can you hear that high E adding sparkle to the chord yet blending in perfectly with the other 5 notes?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"oo nga... may character... but its not perfect.... not like this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
15 hours and 55 minutes later...
"you know, i just noticed, that 4th string is starting to drift on your guitar... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... parang hindi na beat-less against the low A yung E on the 4th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"hindi... thats one instance where it really is in the hands... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... medyo ngalay na kamay ko dito kakahawak ng A e.... gusto mo subukan ibang chord naman?... lipat naman tayo sa open A on the 5th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... madali lang yun... here, leave the 5th string open, ring on the 7th of the 4th string..."
"hep hep hep... bawal hawakan... bawal manggulo... sa A lang tayo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... nangangawit kamay mo?... ibig sabihin di comfortable 'yang neck ng gitara mo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... ako, i can hold this A all week... in fact its all i play... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"... ehem... ser... 5 minutes... last song na po..."
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded :lol:
di naman.
:evil:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: bakit? on August 18, 2007, 08:36:18 PM
i luv wars!hahaha!lumalabas pag ka kupal ko!parang gusto ko humawak ng tubo at maghanap ng kaaway.hahahahahahahaha! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
kaso gusto ko rin ng chicken e.pwede away muna tapos pag napagod e kain tayo ng chicken? :oops:
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: turiguiliano on August 18, 2007, 08:53:54 PM
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded :lol:
That is one of the meanest things to say. I have volunteered to assist in events with special olympians, and they are very nice people who have no control whatsoever on what they're going through. How dare you say something like that? Oh I get it... you think it makes you cool?
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 18, 2007, 09:52:02 PM
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded :lol:
That is one of the meanest things to say. I have volunteered to assist in events with special olympians, and they are very nice people who have no control whatsoever on what they're going through. How dare you say something like that? Oh I get it... you think it makes you cool?
it's a joke, dude :roll: more of use as a metaphor here :-D
I personally support the special olympics :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: orangeogre on August 18, 2007, 09:54:30 PM
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded :lol:
That is one of the meanest things to say. I have volunteered to assist in events with special olympians, and they are very nice people who have no control whatsoever on what they're going through. How dare you say something like that? Oh I get it... you think it makes you cool?
pero hindi yata politically correct ang term mo...
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 18, 2007, 09:59:50 PM
Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded :lol:
That is one of the meanest things to say. I have volunteered to assist in events with special olympians, and they are very nice people who have no control whatsoever on what they're going through. How dare you say something like that? Oh I get it... you think it makes you cool?
pero hindi yata politically correct ang term mo...
fine fine bro, sorry medyo offensive pala :-D
peace :-D
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: tam_guitar on August 18, 2007, 11:46:30 PM
hahaha
bagong sparing partner ba yan!?!?! :lol:
nakakahawa pala sila firemodel at deltaslim :-o joke
KAIN NALANG TAU NG CHICKEN!
Title: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: lefty on August 19, 2007, 12:37:06 AM
can you imagine how silly the whole thing would look?
"o lets do open A... listen to this... *kerrraaannnngggg*.... hear that? can you feel that C# tingling your spine as it shimmers beat-less against the A?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... note that the low A retains clarity and power even when blending with 4 other notes... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... and i haven't even applied vibrato yet... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*...what do you think eh?..."
"its pretty good... but listen to this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... now, i know the A and C# arent exactly beat-less... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... but that little niggle adds character... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... also, note that, after the initial attack, the chords seems to get louder before decaying slowly... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... can you hear that high E adding sparkle to the chord yet blending in perfectly with the other 5 notes?... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"oo nga... may character... but its not perfect.... not like this... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
15 hours and 55 minutes later...
"you know, i just noticed, that 4th string is starting to drift on your guitar... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... parang hindi na beat-less against the low A yung E on the 4th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"hindi... thats one instance where it really is in the hands... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... medyo ngalay na kamay ko dito kakahawak ng A e.... gusto mo subukan ibang chord naman?... lipat naman tayo sa open A on the 5th... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... madali lang yun... here, leave the 5th string open, ring on the 7th of the 4th string..."
"hep hep hep... bawal hawakan... bawal manggulo... sa A lang tayo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... nangangawit kamay mo?... ibig sabihin di comfortable 'yang neck ng gitara mo... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*... ako, i can hold this A all week... in fact its all i play... *keeerrrraaaannnggg*..."
"... ehem... ser... 5 minutes... last song na po..."
Ganyanan nalang para cheaper, simpler, and ultimately more "revealing". A genuine "shootout", ika nga. The results will "hold just as much water"! :-D
Guys, it's only gear.....
hahahaha! :-D
Title: Re: The "deltaslim vs. firemodel55" thread
Post by: Poundcake on August 19, 2007, 01:41:47 AM
That's it. This thread is going nowhere. I'll have to lock this thread, but I'll keep it here as "evidence" :)
Just to sum up what the sixteen (16) pages of posts contain:
deltaslim and firemodel55 had a discussion about gear that turned ugly fast, so...
To the lucky ones who were and who will be invited, don't forget to watch the "deltaslim guitars" vs. "Baker#55" match-up, LIVE at Shin's Studio on December 30, 2007! There will be guitars, amps and pedals galore in there (sorry guys, no strippers dancing around metal poles as this is a guitar showdown)! It will be a tonal experience that will surely rival the New Year's Day celebration! The weigh-in will be exactly one day before the match :lol: