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Grunge ba tlaga sila? Naging grunge lang naman ata kse galing sa seattle, washington. Di naman nila katunog yung Pearl Jam at Stone Temple pilots pati boses ang layo. Mas punk yung origins nila Kurt at Krist. Kurt always talked about the punk lifestyles and philosophies. Lagi nya dinedescribe yung punk as his own "freedom". Never did he mention that nirvana was grunge. Pakinggan nyo yung Bleach album at Nevermind. Mas punk kesa grunge. hehe. eh ewan. ano sa tingin nyo?
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Grunge ba tlaga sila? Naging grunge lang naman ata kse galing sa seattle, washington. Di naman nila katunog yung Pearl Jam at Stone Temple pilots pati boses ang layo. Mas punk yung origins nila Kurt at Krist. Kurt always talked about the punk lifestyles and philosophies. Lagi nya dinedescribe yung punk as his own "freedom". Never did he mention that nirvana was grunge. Pakinggan nyo yung Bleach album at Nevermind. Mas punk kesa grunge. hehe. eh ewan. ano sa tingin nyo?
STP is not grunge. They even denied being part of the Seattle Sound as they are NYers AFAIK.
Grunge is related to that Seattle sound that defied postmodern glam and hair metal.
To come to think of it, AIC, Pearl jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana don't sound the same.
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STP is not grunge. They even denied being part of the Seattle Sound as they are NYers AFAIK.
Grunge is related to that Seattle sound that defied postmodern glam and hair metal.
To come to think of it, AIC, Pearl jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana don't sound the same.
+1 :lol:
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i think grunge is a fashion/lifestyle labelled by MTV
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i think grunge is a fashion/lifestyle labelled by MTV
+1. sa itsura mo na nga lang sila halos sila naddistinguish di ba? :mrgreen: siguro niredefine lang ng nirvana ang "grunge" sound / nag-add sila sa definition. hehe. :-D
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Nung napanuod ko documentary ng Nirvana, mga Brit daw ang nagbansag ng term na Grunge when they went to Seattle to cover the scene there.
Yeah, magkakaiba sound ng AIC, PJ, Nirvana, Screaming Trees, STP, etc... so malabong Grunge ay genre ng isang type ng music. Maybe, era or lifestyle/scene nung time na yun? Di ba ang mga cinonsider na Grunge bands e yung mga sumikat nung early 90's? Kahit na iba-iba tugtugan nila, they were considered as Grunge bands. Tapos nung namatay si Kurt, may post Grunge pa (Bush, etc...)
Grunge or not, I really like that era the most! Angst, Good music and lyrics.
Please, please, please... Don't go on me!!!!!
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kaya pag may nagsabi saken na "tunog grunge yung bandang yan", mejo malabo noh? hehe.
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Try looking for the Doug Pray documentary film called Hype! It chronicles the rise and fall of a musical movement in Seattle during the 90's. It starts with the roots with Green River, The Melvins, etc down to the Seattle scene before the Nirvana explosion with The U-Men, Mother Love Bone, and Mudhoney. It also goes on after Kurt's suicide and features bands that came in their wake like The Presidents of the USA.
Fortunately enough, the scene in Seattle today benefits much from what happened in the 90's. Local radio station KEXP (http://kexp.org) is the frontrunner in breaking indie rock bands to a worldwide audience today. Groups like Death Cab For Cutie and Minus The Bear are just a couple of the local bands that reap the benefits of the legacy left behind by their forebears. The 90's Seattle scene is also the reason why major rock acts today make Seattle a major stop in their tour itinerary.
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ang alam ko grudge sila eh hehehe.
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grunge nga sila yun na yun
parang grudge
he he
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para medyo malinaw,ang grunge as far as i know ay combination ng hardcore punk at metal at inspired by indie rock,kasi yung mga panahon na yon medyo magkaibang panig ang metal at punk so siguro naisip ng mga grunge bands sa seattle na icombine ng metal at punk with indie rock inspired kasi yung mga grunge bands that time ay supporters ng metal at punk..meron din nagtatanong bakit yung ibang grunge song ay medyo slow, marahil sa influence ng mga bands na naka influence sa mga grunge bands gaya ng sonic youth,pixies,the melvins,black sabbath at led zepplin..sabi sa wikipedia,yung vocalist ng seattle band na greenriver ang nagsimula ng term na "grunge" because he critized his band na sinabi nya sa isang seattle fanzine na ang former band nya na mr. epp and the calculation ay PURE GRUNGE,PURE NOISE,PURE [gooey brown stuff] tapos later na describe na rin ang grunge as a subgenre ng alternative rock.. ..marami lang na grunge bands ang nag originate pero it doesnt mean kung di ka taga seattle that time ay di ka na grunge, for example ang STP,tunog grunge so identified sila as grunge at music naman ang pinaguusapan at hindi kung taga seattle ka..pero lahat naman ng grunge bands like nirvana,AIC,pearl jam soundgraden,STP etc. ay hindi purely grunge yung grunge ay parang COMMON genre lang nila yon, pero each of them ay merong various genres sa music nila hindi lang grunge exclusively,which expalin bakit hindi ang mga grunge bands hindi magkatunog, nalabel lang sila na grunge bands kasi may COMMON genre sila na GRUNGE at marahil para to easily identify their sound na sabihan nalang sila na "grunge band"
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alam ko alternative rock yung music nila...tpos DOD GRUNGE yung pinamigay nya dating effects habang nagcoconcert sila...yung effects na tinapon niya sa audience pagkatapos niyan gamitin...hehe :-D
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i think nakuha ni kurt yung term na grunge sa SUB POP record pero generally credited yung vocalist ng greenriver na si mark arm na sya ang nagsimula ng term na grunge...
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STP is not grunge. They even denied being part of the Seattle Sound as they are NYers AFAIK.
Grunge is related to that Seattle sound that defied postmodern glam and hair metal.
To come to think of it, AIC, Pearl jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana don't sound the same.
you can count in Mudhoney, The Smashing Pumpkins, Screaming Trees, Soul Asylum..
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ang grunge kasi iba iba ung genre na involve jan. nirvana is grunge based on punk..pearl jam is grunge based on hard rock music..Alice in Chains and Soundgarden are grunge based on metal music..kaya mahirap i-define talaga ang grunge..basta ang alam ko its about making raw music or down to basic music
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Grunge ba tlaga sila? Naging grunge lang naman ata kse galing sa seattle, washington. Di naman nila katunog yung Pearl Jam at Stone Temple pilots pati boses ang layo. Mas punk yung origins nila Kurt at Krist. Kurt always talked about the punk lifestyles and philosophies. Lagi nya dinedescribe yung punk as his own "freedom". Never did he mention that nirvana was grunge. Pakinggan nyo yung Bleach album at Nevermind. Mas punk kesa grunge. hehe. eh ewan. ano sa tingin nyo?
Di pa kasi ako nakakarinig ng kahit anung Nirvana song, pero sa nabasa ko, Grunge sila. Meron pa ngang tinawag na Seattle's Big Four. :-)
Isa yung Nirvana dun. :-)
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they are Punk, naging grunge lang para sounding new sa mga kids.
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they are Punk, naging grunge lang para sounding new sa mga kids.
Di'ba yung Grunge isa sa mga genre ng Punk? So if they're Grunge they're Punk. :-)
(Tama kaya yun?) :?
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seattle four are nirvana, pearl jam,alice in chains and soundgarden..ung mga bands na to may mga kanya kanyang mga sound style galing sila sa grunge genre pero hindi sila pare pareho ng sound
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Di'ba yung Grunge isa sa mga genre ng Punk? So if they're Grunge they're Punk. :-)
(Tama kaya yun?) :?
may pagkatama yun hehe. sa School of Rock nga nilagay ni Jack Black yung Nirvana under Punk eh. hehe. :-D
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Di'ba yung Grunge isa sa mga genre ng Punk? So if they're Grunge they're Punk. :-)
(Tama kaya yun?) :?
ang GRUNGE ay isa sa mga SUB GENRES ng alternative rock, ang GRUNGE ay fusion ng HEAVY METAL at HARDCORE PUNK...you can say na malaking bahagi ang PUNK sa EVOLUTION ng GRUNGE
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tama ..
malapit sa grunge ung punk..
nirvana ata ung nag pauso ng grunge ehh..tama b??
kung d ako nag kamali c kurt ung vocals ayaw ata nya ung attitude ng punk ...d ako sure sa sinabi ko pero un ang mga naiintindihan ko sa mga naririnig ko
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Not true. Kurt enjoyed both Black Flag and Black Sabbath.
It's widely believed that Kurt and the boys really started getting national attention opening for Sonic Youth when they were touring for the Dirty album. This tour, I believe was also what got the bigwigs at DGC to sign Nirvana and leave Sub Pop. If you're able to find Sonic Youth's very rare live VHS home video called 1991: The Year Punk Broke, you'll get a good idea of what the musical climate was like. BTW, if you're interested in seeing this documentary reissued on DVD, click on the link below to petition it's re-release. This is one of the seminal films that caught the gen x zeitgeist accurately.
http://wegotpowerfilms.com/films/punk.html (http://wegotpowerfilms.com/films/punk.html)
Just for clarification, grunge already also existed even before Smells Like Teen Spirit. Mother Love Bone, which was essentially a precursor to Pearl Jam were on the way to making it on a national level had it not been for vocalist Andrew Wood's drug overdose (Ha--it was astonishing to find out that my brother graduated in the same high school that Wood attended). Before that band came to be, Mark Arm, Steve Turner, Stone Gossard, and Jeff Ament were in the same band called Green River. Soundgarden was also making the rounds playing in places like The Vogue, the OK Cafe, and The Off-Ramp and were also touring nationally for the Louder Than Love album at around the same time MLB was getting attention.
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Not true. Kurt enjoyed both Black Flag and Black Sabbath.
It's widely believed that Kurt and the boys really started getting national attention opening for Sonic Youth when they were touring for the Dirty album. This tour, I believe was also what got the bigwigs at DGC to sign Nirvana and leave Sub Pop. If you're able to find Sonic Youth's very rare live VHS home video called 1991: The Year Punk Broke, you'll get a good idea of what the musical climate was like. BTW, if you're interested in seeing this documentary reissued on DVD, click on the link below to petition it's re-release. This is one of the seminal films that caught the gen x zeitgeist accurately.
http://wegotpowerfilms.com/films/punk.html (http://wegotpowerfilms.com/films/punk.html)
Just for clarification, grunge already also existed even before Smells Like Teen Spirit. Mother Love Bone, which was essentially a precursor to Pearl Jam were on the way to making it on a national level had it not been for vocalist Andrew Wood's drug overdose (Ha--it was astonishing to find out that my brother graduated in the same high school that Wood attended). Before that band came to be, Mark Arm, Steve Turner, Stone Gossard, and Jeff Ament were in the same band called Green River. Soundgarden was also making the rounds playing in places like The Vogue, the OK Cafe, and The Off-Ramp and were also touring nationally for the Louder Than Love album at around the same time MLB was getting attention.
nirvana is definitely a grunge band because their sound are influenced by heavy metal and hardcore bands they...they were influenced too by grunge bands such as the melvins,mudhoney and many more
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may interview c curt cobain na cnabi nya na new wave band daw sila...
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Sa tingin ko ang "Grunge" nagsimula sa itchura/porma ng mga tao, at first ang meaning lang ng Grunge is - Filthy or Dirty; The state of being covered with unclean things, kasi ganun nga ang itchura ng mga bands na na-label nun nung time na yun. After lang namatay ni Kurt ata dinagdag ang Grunge as - A style of rock music that incorporates elements of punk rock and heavy metal, popularized in the early 1990s and often marked by lyrics exhibiting nihilism, dissatisfaction, or apathy.
In interviews, Kurt would often say na he's influenced ba punk-rock, I never heard him say that they were grunge.
Media lang naman ang naglabel ng "Grunge" sa bands like Nirvana, PJ, AIC, Soundgarden etc, etc. Because of the way they dress siguro. Panoorin nyo yung "Singles".
For more info on Grunge music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_music)
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Sa tingin ko ang "Grunge" nagsimula sa itchura/porma ng mga tao, at first ang meaning lang ng Grunge is - Filthy or Dirty; The state of being covered with unclean things, kasi ganun nga ang itchura ng mga bands na na-label nun nung time na yun. After lang namatay ni Kurt ata dinagdag ang Grunge as - A style of rock music that incorporates elements of punk rock and heavy metal, popularized in the early 1990s and often marked by lyrics exhibiting nihilism, dissatisfaction, or apathy.
In interviews, Kurt would often say na he's influenced ba punk-rock, I never heard him say that they were grunge.
Media lang naman ang naglabel ng "Grunge" sa bands like Nirvana, PJ, AIC, Soundgarden etc, etc. Because of the way they dress siguro. Panoorin nyo yung "Singles".
For more info on Grunge music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge_music)
Tama! also I have a friend who greeted me, ayos sa porma ah Grunge! This friend of mine is a person who only listens to pop music, RnB, maybe a few alternatives but the point is di cay mahilig sa rock music. But I was surprised na cnabi nyang Grunge porma ko. I agree that Grunge is yung porma not music.
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Grunge sila. Meron pa ngang tinawag na Seattle's Big Four. :-)
hanep parang basketball haha
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Kurt has also been known to be an unreliable interviewee. He took the piss out of interviewers by changing answers each time that he spoke to another journalist.
It's almost like taking the cue from Johnny Rotten when he does his interviews...even to this day.
Both these guys used misdirection and misinformation to keep the mystique of the band and the musician/lyricist intact--or maybe sometimes just to rile a group and stir negative outrage.
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Kurt has also been known to be an unreliable interviewee. He took the piss out of interviewers by changing answers each time that he spoke to another journalist.
It's almost like taking the cue from Johnny Rotten when he does his interviews...even to this day.
Both these guys used misdirection and misinformation to keep the mystique of the band and the musician/lyricist intact--or maybe sometimes just to rile a group and stir negative outrage.
oo nga, anlabong kausap ni Kurt pagdating sa interviews...i was watching this docu-live performances VHS dati...wala akong naintindihan sa mga sinasagot nya sa mga questions ng mga interviewers...
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kung nasa panahon ka nung mga 90s baka nakasapak ka ng mga bagong tumutugtog ngayon. pure angst yung panahon nayun. at hindi iyakin ang tumutugtog noon. he!he!he! at pag napanood mo yung unplug nila, parang tumugtog sya sa sariling funeral nya :-o pati setup nung gig. :-) LOVE NIRVANA TILL DEATH! nung panahon na yun. ngayon medyo bumaba na angst ko ha!ha!ha! :-D
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who cares if nirvana is grunge or not? who cares about these stupid labels anyway?
1.) grunge or not, nirvana is one of the greatest and that will never change, anyway. even if i call them bubblegum-emo.
2.) you should be busy posting about emo and punk na. hindi na cool ang grunge ngayon.
3.) let's all complain nalang about how, if nirvana was reincarnated NOW, in the philippines, nobody would notice them because everyone would be too busy with all the pogi-rock-crap-ballad-remake-poop-novelty-artista-emo going on.
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Yes po, the reason sumikat ang grunge nung early 90's is because of Nirvana and Pearl Jam. Although the term grunge was used by mudhoney's vocalist to describe his band nung mga early 80's. By definition grunge = dirty. and musically grunge metal has dirty and heavy distortion and mahilig din po sila gumamit ng feedback effects. hope it helps. :-)
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ha!ha! me nagtanggal ng post ko. nirvana grunge talaga. :-D read my sig kaya galit/ ha!ha!ha!
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who cares if nirvana is grunge or not? who cares about these stupid labels anyway?
Mismo. Labels shzmabels. The best lang blue label-s. :-D
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Their fashion is defenitely grunge.
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Mismo. Labels shzmabels. The best lang blue label-s. :-D
agree!
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harcore punk & heavy metal = Grunge, grunge is generally characterized by heavily distorted electric guitars, contrasting song dynamics, and apathetic or angst-filled lyrics. Grunge fuses elements of hardcore punk and heavy metal, Grunge bands were noted for their punk/indie attitudes; and the music shares with punk a raw sound and similar lyrical concerns However grunge also involves slower tempos, dissonant harmonies, and more complex instrumentation; often reminiscent of heavy metal. For me nirvana is grunge because of the style and the sound and der lyrics. i love Grunge!
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Nirvana is grunge and they are the greatest band for me during the 90's...
Remember may pinag-aawayan dati kung kailan yung death ng grunge music, nung namatay ba c Kurt or yung nag-disband yung sound Garden?...
So Nirvana is definitely grunge not by their fashion but on the influence they brought us during the so called GRUNGE era... :-)
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nirvana is the definition of grunge....
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Grunge ba tlaga sila? Naging grunge lang naman ata kse galing sa seattle, washington. Di naman nila katunog yung Pearl Jam at Stone Temple pilots pati boses ang layo. Mas punk yung origins nila Kurt at Krist. Kurt always talked about the punk lifestyles and philosophies. Lagi nya dinedescribe yung punk as his own "freedom". Never did he mention that nirvana was grunge. Pakinggan nyo yung Bleach album at Nevermind. Mas punk kesa grunge. hehe. eh ewan. ano sa tingin nyo?
waa!
what the heck??
ung grunge na genre nagsimula yan sa era nila dba???
saka kahit anong gawin mo natanim na sa lahat na grunge ang nirvana kahit search mo pa sa wikipedia even pearl jam temple of the dog AIC STP etc.
saka patay na si kurt
nung namatay si kurt nalaos ang grunge sapat na ba yun para malaman genre nya?
papaliwanag lng :-D
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STP is not grunge. They even denied being part of the Seattle Sound as they are NYers AFAIK.
not really sure about them being NYers... i believe that they actually got their start and built a fanbase in San Diego... just sayin'. :-)
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I dunno, pero yung "Incesticide" puro dark, metal-like riffs ang napapakinggan ko. Parang Black Sabbath na tumutugtog ng punk.
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Nirvana is the reason why i start practisin' guitar and formed a band and I'm really happy seeing them performing with a down-to-earth-no-fashion-at-all style but with a good combination of punk, metal, hard rocking sounds, with their sounds and looks, I think that is why they labeled nirvana as grunge... but what the heck! in early 90's their musics are new in the ear of the people who's only listening to what is only hot so when they heard and see them performed they only ask "what the hell is that?" and based on their looks the critics labeled them as "GRUNGE".... that's only what I think 'coz hey! that's my era. Peace.
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punk yata sila originally..psychedelic si kurt din eh...tama ba? at naisabay nadin yung grunge..alice in chains, pearl jam, soundgarden, dahil seattle based din ang nirvana...mga tao naman ang nag li label ng genre usually..
at least unang binili kong album..."in utero" tape palang dati...:-)
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OT : Bakit yung Joy Division at The Strokes magkaiba ng tugtog e pareho naman silang Post-Punk?? :?
BTT : Tunog Grunge naman yung Bleach tsaka In Utero ha, :-D
Tsaka pag kaka alam ko Beatles talaga influence ni Kurt e. :-D
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Ang Tunay na "GRUNGE" para sa akin ay yung nakikita ko pang nag totour at me mga albums pa sa market hanggang ngayon na mga banda na galing sa Seattle.
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I don't call it Grunge. Mas ok para sakin yung Seattle Sound. Tutal, dun naman nag-originate yan.
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bleach = grunge
nevermind = pop
in utero = alternative
ewan ko! pag di ko madescribe "alternative" ang nasaisip ko... kung ano man ang term / label / definition ng mga experts dyan bahala sila :lol:
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it's more of a subculture rooted in seattle rather than a genre in itself. a similar wave/movement happened in the early 80s in minneapolis, minnesota, called "minneapolis punk". this movement was led by husker du, the replacements, and soul asylum, and these bands never sounded like each other, and they're not so "punk" in my opinion. the grunge movement just happened to be a more successful phenomenon that got more international attention.
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Alice in Chains is known as a hair metal turned grunge band.. But they sound heavier than their co-grunge artist.. hehe
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there never really was "grunge" music... it was just a marketing term created to describe the Seattle sound, which is just as stupid as pigeon-holing the sound of manila based bands to a music genre.
take for example:
nirvana
mudhoney
soundgarden
STP
Alice in Chains
do they sound similar? ... yet they are called "grunge" ...
personally, i just call them hard rock, or 90's rock.
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there never really was "grunge" music... it was just a marketing term created to describe the Seattle sound, which is just as stupid as pigeon-holing the sound of manila based bands to a music genre.
take for example:
nirvana
mudhoney
soundgarden
STP
Alice in Chains
do they sound similar? ... yet they are called "grunge" ...
personally, i just call them hard rock, or 90's rock.
I have to agree to this.. Hehehe.. It goes the same way with calling an all-male pop group as Boy Band..
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Grunge = label created by the media. Hindi rin magkakatunog lahat ng mga bands which came from Seattle during the 90's. "Dark Punk" is how I would personally describe Nirvana's music.
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pearl jam, nirvana 90's EMO
alice in chains, soundgarden 90's modern hard rock
mudhoney 90's modern punk rock
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thrash metal killer - yan ang dapat itawag sa grunge hehehe
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You can say Nirvana is 90s alternative rock. Think about it this way, there's this grey area in the early to mid 90s where it makes sense for fans to like loud, dirty music in general. Dinosaur Jr., the Dambuilders, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, the Melvins, all of them (or at least, most of them) take root in the late eighties and early nineties. It's the environment surrounding them that makes them identifiable. That whole touring circuit. Grunge is a stupid term that encompassed one scene in that whole cluster of musical offshoots. Kurt went to Metallica shows dressed in a Vaselines shirt and hung out with Dinosaur Jr. and the Melvins. Says enough about his background.
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The term grunge may refer more to the attitude and aesthetics more than the sound. As far as I'm concerned, Pearl Jam is blues based rock just like G'n'R, they just dress differently.
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thrash metal killer - yan ang dapat itawag sa grunge hehehe
Tama!!! May it be alternative or grunge, pareho lang yan. :-D
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thrash hair metal killer - yan ang dapat itawag sa grunge hehehe
Fix'd. Thrash/speed metal is still very much alive & thriving.
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grunge imo is just a label, parang post-hardcore, post-punk, post-ganito ganyan. walang definite at concrete na genre yung sound ng mga "grunge" bands kaya inimbentuhan nila ng genre. imo it's actually a mix of punk/metal/tamang alternative rock lang. diba?
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thrash metal killer - yan ang dapat itawag sa grunge hehehe
hahaha
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according to source, Grunge isn't a real genre. It was made up by record companies trying to put a label on something they couldn't understand. I believe Nirvana started as a punk band.
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You can say Nirvana is 90s alternative rock. Think about it this way, there's this grey area in the early to mid 90s where it makes sense for fans to like loud, dirty music in general. Dinosaur Jr., the Dambuilders, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, the Melvins, all of them (or at least, most of them) take root in the late eighties and early nineties. It's the environment surrounding them that makes them identifiable. That whole touring circuit. Grunge is a stupid term that encompassed one scene in that whole cluster of musical offshoots. Kurt went to Metallica shows dressed in a Vaselines shirt and hung out with Dinosaur Jr. and the Melvins. Says enough about his background.
yeah, i remember watching an interview with Kirk Hammet saying he saw Kurt Cobain on on of their show yelling to him "are you going to play For Whom The Bell Tolls?"...
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yeah, i remember watching an interview with Kirk Hammet saying he saw Kurt Cobain on on of their show yelling to him "are you going to play For Whom The Bell Tolls?"...
Wait, I think I remember that. Wasn't he asking for Whiplash?
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hmm... uu yata :eek:, i think i'm wrong hehehe, thanks for correcting me bro :wave:
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grunge imo is just a label, parang post-hardcore, post-punk, post-ganito ganyan. walang definite at concrete na genre yung sound ng mga "grunge" bands kaya inimbentuhan nila ng genre. imo it's actually a mix of punk/metal/tamang alternative rock lang. diba?
Actually, post-punk and post-hardcore actually DO have a sound.
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pa OT, during those years naalala nyo ba yung thriving Chicago scene? Pumpkins, Popes, Local H, Veruca Salt at yung paborito kong FIG DISH.
btt, nirvana looking at them live, i see them as punk talaga e,
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Avery97 has the best explanation for this issue...thanks bro!!!! that was cooollll!!!!