China Cymbal Thread

[crazy_beautiful]

Do you guys know the counterpart of Paiste on Zildjian K or K Custom Chinese Cymbals?

Does anyone own a Paiste5,B8, B8 Pro or XS20  Chinese Cymbals? What can you say about the sound of these cymbals?

Do you think any of these chinese cymbals can match the sound of a K or K Custom Crash and Ride? coz i have a K Custom Crash and K Pre Aged Dry Light Ride.. I was wondering what chinese cymbal to go for..

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[rz3znik]

madali po bang masira ung oriental china trash....
kc manipis lng po un db??

i need comments......
tnx

[marvinq]

that's partly true. but there might be something wrong with your cymbal technique too.

[nO RLY]

the cymbal is very thin and trashy, but i think it's still very durable. it wouldn't be made if it wasn't built to last that long.

[alvin_11]

nagkamali po ako dun sa mga unang palo ko po sa china ko, dun ko napalo sa mga edges..dapat pala sa pinaka curve niya..ayun..may mga maliliit na yupi na..

[rz3znik]

san po ba dapat paluin ung china?? pag naka invert at hindi.........

[alvin_11]

san po ba dapat paluin ung china?? pag naka invert at hindi.........

ang turo po saken ay dun mismo sa may curve nung china..hindi sa edge..mas maganda po ang tunog ng china pag dun ang palo..trashy talaga..pag sa edges po kasi parang "kwaaaaaaasssssshhhh" eh..(imo lang po..)

[waybine]

karamihan ng China may lead content .... 

[g0d5_g1ft]

karamihan ng China may lead content .... 

wahahaha good one!

does anyone use a china inverted? just wondering...

[Diadem]

check out how DOm Fomularo hits his cymbals.. esp the chinas.. so cool

[drumster]

And just like with most crash techniques and what's said in most cymbal 101 tips, it's always advisable to hit cymbals with a swaying motion.  Don't hammer it down.  Play with it gracefully.

Most China cymbals have thin profiles.  So if you want your Chinas to last longer, treat it and play it with extra care. 

[bangbus]

counterpart would be Paiste Signature.

Since youve got dark and controlled sounding zildjians na, go for the oriental china trash cymbs, testing mo yung 20 and 18 inch sizes, 20 is dark whereas is bright, theyre like opposites talaga but the 18inch is trashier, maganda rin yung A swish coz of the rivets!

 

[wipeout]

I haven't tried other Paiste Chinas except what I own which is an 18" Paiste 2002 China type.  Its attack is not quite strong but has a smooth, warm and dark trashy tone.  So this doesn't sound gongy the moment you strike it but a nice "hhhaaaahhh" which is the character I like in a china cymbal.  Its flange is flat so you could mount it right side up or inverted.

[toybitz]

how's about the zildjian classic oriental china? tama ba? the one with a wider lip. I usually seem them chinas alongside K's.

[sandythedrummer]

Oriental Classic China =  Longer sustain
Oriental China Trash = Shorter Sustain

[travisbarker_trecool]

hey guys. i wanted to buy a new china but i'm not sure exactly which one will give me that fast trashy sound i wanted. I was thinking about the zildjian oriental but i don't want to limit it just to that brand. Got any ideas?

[Akira JUMBO]

This might help:

Chinese Cymbal Counterpart
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,49269.0.html

As for me I can comment on the Orientals and Wuhans. The Oriental gives a more musical sound and a shorter decay for its size. The Wuhans depending on size will pronounce a short to long decay but is the trashiest I've heard. Attack on the Wuhans are just like Lion's roaring which is to my ears suitable for loud/metal/rock music. But on a more subtle scene the Oriental becomes more versatile but still bites like a big cat.

[black_panther]

you can visit our stores below on my signature and check out some stagg chinas, you can also go to youtube and check vids from the mapex drumfest tour in which stagg cymbals are being used....cheers pare

[plep]

para sa akin, ayaw ko tunog ng Oriental China Trash. parang naghahampas ka ng yero sa sementong pader yung tunog e.

if you want the classic fast, trashy, and dirty china sound, you're better off going for Wuhan (merong benta si sir Akira kaso hit/miss yung tunog niyan e) or Stagg (punta ka lang sa mga tindahan sa sig ni sir Black Panther). meron ding mga model ng Sabian na supposedly nakukuha yung ganong tunog (HHX, HH thin tsaka Paragon), kaso good luck sa paghanap sa mga model na yun dito. meron nga pala HH thin sa classifieds (hanapin ko yung link, teka), pwede mo subukan yun. baka makamura ka pa kasi used na (kaso syempre mas mura pa rin yung mga Stagg at Wuhan)

personally mas gusto ko yung mga buo at brusko yung tunog na china. HH Dark, Oriental Classic, ganun.

edit: eto yung link ng 18" HH Thin Chinese ni kibohead: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,62652.0.html

[toymach2000]

para sa akin, ayaw ko tunog ng Oriental China Trash. parang naghahampas ka ng yero sa sementong pader yung tunog e.

if you want the classic fast, trashy, and dirty china sound, you're better off going for Wuhan (merong benta si sir Akira kaso hit/miss yung tunog niyan e) or Stagg (punta ka lang sa mga tindahan sa sig ni sir Black Panther). meron ding mga model ng Sabian na supposedly nakukuha yung ganong tunog (HHX, HH thin tsaka Paragon), kaso good luck sa paghanap sa mga model na yun dito. meron nga pala HH thin sa classifieds (hanapin ko yung link, teka), pwede mo subukan yun. baka makamura ka pa kasi used na (kaso syempre mas mura pa rin yung mga Stagg at Wuhan)

personally mas gusto ko yung mga buo at brusko yung tunog na china. HH Dark, Oriental Classic, ganun.

edit: eto yung link ng 18" HH Thin Chinese ni kibohead: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,62652.0.html

Agree! WUHAN!!!

gusto ko pa ng 18" nito! hehehehehe!!

[Dheniz]

yes wuhan talaga maganda

[plep]

yep Wuhan ang best authentic china sound talaga. KASO inconsistent yan... iba tunog yero, iba tunog HALIMAW haha kaya mahirap din bumili ng hindi pinipili yung eksaktong cymbal na gusto mo.

syempre meron ding mga equivalent sa ibang brands... yung Voodoo series ng Saluda, based sa same traditional Lion cymbal (yun ang tawag sa traditional chinese cymbals... "Lion") design tapos mas consistent yung quality kesa sa Wuhan, kaso hindi yun available dito. yung T-series China ng Stagg ganun ding Lion cymbal, kaso kinakampanya ko pa kay sir JP na maging available yun dito (sa ngayon DH tsaka SH lang meron dito... okay na rin yun, better bang for your buck pa rin kesa sa Oriental)

actually gusto ko rin magkaroon ng traditional Lion na 20"... para meron akong 20" na bright and clean (Paiste Alpha), dark and full (Sabian HH Dark), tsaka raw and dirty (Wuhan/Saluda Voodoo/Stagg T-series). kumpletong palette ng big china sounds na yun o! 

[sonnaqs]

yep Wuhan ang best authentic china sound talaga. KASO inconsistent yan... iba tunog yero, iba tunog HALIMAW haha kaya mahirap din bumili ng hindi pinipili yung eksaktong cymbal na gusto mo.

syempre meron ding mga equivalent sa ibang brands... yung Voodoo series ng Saluda, based sa same traditional Lion cymbal (yun ang tawag sa traditional chinese cymbals... "Lion") design tapos mas consistent yung quality kesa sa Wuhan, kaso hindi yun available dito. yung T-series China ng Stagg ganun ding Lion cymbal, kaso kinakampanya ko pa kay sir JP na maging available yun dito (sa ngayon DH tsaka SH lang meron dito... okay na rin yun, better bang for your buck pa rin kesa sa Oriental)

actually gusto ko rin magkaroon ng traditional Lion na 20"... para meron akong 20" na bright and clean (Paiste Alpha), dark and full (Sabian HH Dark), tsaka raw and dirty (Wuhan/Saluda Voodoo/Stagg T-series). kumpletong palette ng big china sounds na yun o! 

I can attest to that! i have a wuhan 18 lion china,, nung una ko cyang ginagamit, di ko tlaga malaman kung magnda ba ung tunog,, pero habang tumatagal at lalong nalalaspag at dumudumi, mas gumaganda ang roarrrr nya!! bagsik na tumunog hehehe..

[suspendead]

Try the DH Chinas, trashy, fast and I have one hehehe. I used to have a Wuhan China, didnt like the sound so I sold it. Saw and heard the DH China last Mapex 3rd Leg, loved the sound so much that I bought one hehehe. Try it and you'll love it...

[Dheniz]

Try the DH Chinas, trashy, fast and I have one hehehe. I used to have a Wuhan China, didnt like the sound so I sold it. Saw and heard the DH China last Mapex 3rd Leg, loved the sound so much that I bought one hehehe. Try it and you'll love it...

uu nga pala nakalimutan ko maganda rin tong sinabi ni sir dennis, kitang kita ko sa mukha niya kung gano siya nagandahan sa dh china, maganda rin to!