Post by: Kennyadry on April 03, 2019, 08:55:41 AM
But later on, I became thankful. I think they are the OPM's savior. I haven't seen any bands that have created so much bandwagon effect, which I believe is good for the Philippine Music Industry.
What are your thoughts?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 03, 2019, 09:43:47 AM
I haven't seen any bands that have created so much bandwagon effect
alam mo ang formula niyan? pogi sila eh.
kaya wala kang nakita kuno na ganito ang "impact" eh kasi dati nung 2000's andami nilang pogi rock bands.
ngayon kasi, ang gagaling nga ng banda, pota hindi naman mga pogi mga miyembro so wala din. hindi papatok sa mga hormonal teenager fans.
in all honesty, mas matindi maging fan ang mga teenager girls kesa sa teenager boys.
tingnan mo, sobrang tinde ng fan base ng mga pogi rock bands or another example, Daniel Padilla.
on another note, kahit sobrang galling ng female fronted band, yung pagsikat is not as intense as that of the pogi fronted band or artist.
reason? iba ang rabid fanatic na babae.
pag babae kasi ang rabid fan, eh tinitingnan ng mga tao as normal or dala ng puberty.
pag lalaki naman, society views it na sagwa kung magtitili sila for a band na male fronted, on the other hand, ang pervert or manyakis naman ng dating pag nag fanboy sila for a female fronted band.
bottomline, Pogi sells.
not that I am downplaying IVOS members' skills here. magaling naman sila tumogs.
pero hindi sila savior ng OPM pls lang hahahaha far from it.
napakaraming magagaling ng OPM Artist ngayon na hindi lang tlaga magkakaroon ng ganong klaseng fanbase dahil nga sadly, hindi sila as pogi as IVOS.
example? Ben and Ben
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 03, 2019, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Kennyadry on April 03, 2019, 11:27:16 AM
alam mo ang formula niyan? pogi sila eh.
tingnan mo, sobrang tinde ng fan base ng mga pogi rock bands or another example, Daniel Padilla.
not that I am downplaying IVOS members' skills here. magaling naman sila tumogs.
pero hindi sila savior ng OPM pls lang hahahaha far from it.
napakaraming magagaling ng OPM Artist ngayon na hindi lang tlaga magkakaroon ng ganong klaseng fanbase dahil nga sadly, hindi sila as pogi as IVOS.
example? Ben and Ben
Very good point.
You may also add to it that their parents may have some connections...(Especially that when you add to the fact that both Zild and Blaster fought for the finals of the EB's Music Hero, can't help but wonder why these two went all the way to the ultimate final showdown without any connection help at all)
You may reject to the idea that they are the savior, probably because of their pogi thing...
But I can say "I can accept them if they will be called the savior of the OPM in "today's" generation."
The reason for that is,...They have the "skill" and "talent"...
Yes they are pogi,.....pero kung kapogian lang ang naging dahilan ng pag sikat nila, makakapamura na talaga ako sa industriya ng musika sa Pilipinas...
Atleast, they are really good. These guys (as a band) can really play and make a good music to my ears, not someone like Daniel Padilla, or even Juan Karlos...
I seldom listen to any radio stations, but I heard their song (Mundo) for the first time when I rode a taxi on my way home...I thought, woah, these guys can play...didn't knew their band name yet...
Then later I just forgot that song, until one of my church mate played the guitar riff of that song and I said, wait a minute that sounds familiar, who's the artist? Then there you go...
Searched it on youtube and yes, I was a little surprised at how popular they are , but what was more shocking is how young they are but playing a genre that a certain people who lived through the 70s, 80s, and 90s can certainly appreciate.
So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would.
If teens idolized them because of their kapogians, at least, they idolized pogis with real talents...not just some random pogis.
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 03, 2019, 12:51:00 PM
Post by: robinonibor on April 03, 2019, 01:19:06 PM
I think pasok din kasi sa panlasa ng generation ng teens ngayon yung tunog bandang yan..
the hippy teens. tignan nyo kung pano manamit, mga trip at music of this generation.
they pulled it out straight from 80s-early 2000 era and with a slight touch of modern stuff.
they simply sound like the smiths without brit accent plus more guitar riffs.
I don't like them nor hate them. It's okay pra saken. but not this opm savior. there are tons of good opm artists better than them. meron lang siguro tayong kanya kanyang sukatan.
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 03, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
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Post by: Kennyadry on April 03, 2019, 01:50:40 PM
For me, it's definition is that anyone who could bring back the attention of the Filipino mass back to the original filipino music, not through any other means (i.e artista, or pogi) but through music ability and compositions. This is my personal measurement.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 03, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
Very good point.
You may also add to it that their parents may have some connections...(Especially that when you add to the fact that both Zild and Blaster fought for the finals of the EB's Music Hero, can't help but wonder why these two went all the way to the ultimate final showdown without any connection help at all)
You may reject to the idea that they are the savior, probably because of their pogi thing...
But I can say "I can accept them if they will be called the savior of the OPM in "today's" generation."
The reason for that is,...They have the "skill" and "talent"...
Yes they are pogi,.....pero kung kapogian lang ang naging dahilan ng pag sikat nila, makakapamura na talaga ako sa industriya ng musika sa Pilipinas...
Atleast, they are really good. These guys (as a band) can really play and make a good music to my ears, not someone like Daniel Padilla, or even Juan Karlos...
I seldom listen to any radio stations, but I heard their song (Mundo) for the first time when I rode a taxi on my way home...I thought, woah, these guys can play...didn't knew their band name yet...
Then later I just forgot that song, until one of my church mate played the guitar riff of that song and I said, wait a minute that sounds familiar, who's the artist? Then there you go...
Searched it on youtube and yes, I was a little surprised at how popular they are , but what was more shocking is how young they are but playing a genre that a certain people who lived through the 70s, 80s, and 90s can certainly appreciate.
So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would.
If teens idolized them because of their kapogians, at least, they idolized pogis with real talents...not just some random pogis.
first of all papsi, pwede tayo mag tagalog dito. nakakawalang credibility kasi pag off tayo sa balarila or grammar.
FYI, IVOS was a front act for our bands video launch gig. back then, hindi ganito ang genre nila. they were more hard rock. they weren't a house hold name.
pano naging ganito tunog nila? thank the producer.
the producer called for the change of direction, and it paid off.
on the other hand, hold up, you like IVOS because they are skilled, but don't like Juan Karlos because...?
objectively speaking kasi they are both at par in terms of skill. IMHO.
also, people are not labeling them as the savior of OPM, you are, in your above first post in this thread :)
my point is, yeah, IVOS is pretty good I guess, but to call them saviors of OPM is a bit of a stretch.
it's an insult to the folks putting in the work but just can't get a break because they don't have the right connections, or worse, the right "packaging" or looks.
few cents..
I think pasok din kasi sa panlasa ng generation ng teens ngayon yung tunog bandang yan..
the hippy teens. tignan nyo kung pano manamit, mga trip at music of this generation.
they pulled it out straight from 80s-early 2000 era and with a slight touch of modern stuff.
they simply sound like the smiths without brit accent plus more guitar riffs.
I don't like them nor hate them. It's okay pra saken. but not this opm savior. there are tons of good opm artists better than them. meron lang siguro tayong kanya kanyang sukatan.
Yeah not opm savior pero may distinct sound sila, lalo na ung mga firsts nilang nirelease
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exactly. they sound good, but saviors? kamown man. get off the pipe hahaha
sabagay, nung 2000's din naman, callalily naman siguro ang savior of OPM for the kids at that time hahahaha
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 03, 2019, 01:56:05 PM
I guess it all boils down sa definition ng OPM savior.
For me, it's definition is that anyone who could bring back the attention of the Filipino mass back to the original filipino music, not through any other means (i.e artista, or pogi) but through music ability and compositions. This is my personal measurement.
eh di OPM Savior din for you ang fliptop kung ganon ang definition mo?
kasi pinasikat nila ulit yung dying genre of OPM hip hop eh.
eto talaga wala connection. walang mama and papa na nasa music scene. viral lang sa YT.
Post by: beansent on April 03, 2019, 02:37:19 PM
pero they sound good ngayon
Post by: marzi on April 04, 2019, 09:26:54 AM
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 04, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
teka, paano naging pogi yung kahawig ni Weng Weng?
ask dem kids hahahaha
Post by: robinonibor on April 04, 2019, 09:54:50 AM
Post by: Kennyadry on April 04, 2019, 11:11:22 AM
"on the other hand, hold up, you like IVOS because they are skilled, but don't like Juan Karlos because...?
"I believe IVOS arrangement are far more sophiscated than Juan Karlos... take note..."I believe"
objectively speaking kasi they are both at par in terms of skill. IMHO. "
I don't know what you meant by objectively, how do you measure their skill objectively? Can you be precise by showing us your objective analysis of their skill?
also, people are not labeling them as the savior of OPM, you are, in your above first post in this thread :)
You are absolutely misrepresenting me...read back please...
I said... "So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would.
"If people" ....It's very different from saying "People are labelling them"
I was very clear from the beginning... "I think" they are the savior of the OPM
my point is, yeah, IVOS is pretty good I guess, but to call them saviors of OPM is a bit of a stretch.
Your opinion...my opinion :)
Post by: Kennyadry on April 04, 2019, 11:26:11 AM
teka, paano naging pogi yung kahawig ni Weng Weng?
Hehehe...So is this implying that it's wrong to reason out that their success is due to their physical attractiveness? :drool:
Post by: Kennyadry on April 04, 2019, 11:49:21 AM
eh di OPM Savior din for you ang fliptop kung ganon ang definition mo?
kasi pinasikat nila ulit yung dying genre of OPM hip hop eh.
Kailan pa po naging music ang fliptop? I have never been aware naging music genre na pala ang fliptop..hahaha :D
I dont know if you read my definition, but certainly my definition doesn't cover fliptop at all.... It's not music to me, and if it is to you, then it's your call :)
Post by: robinonibor on April 04, 2019, 12:01:41 PM
Kailan pa po naging music ang fliptop? I have never been aware naging music genre na pala ang fliptop..hahaha :D
I dont know if you read my definition, but certainly my definition doesn't cover fliptop at all.... It's not music to me, and if it is to you, then it's your call :)
just like the opm savior thing..
certainly not our definition of opm savior
Post by: Kennyadry on April 04, 2019, 12:20:23 PM
just like the opm savior thing..
certainly not our definition of opm savior
Fair enough. No need to actually define it. It was more of a burdened for me to define it to get my point across.
It's just that "I haven't heard of a band who had a "kind of" the same hype as Eraserheads back then.
"I believe" Eraserheads has really influenced many people to listen to OPM in a level no other band could do.
and...."I think I am seeing" the same thing happening with the IVOS....
And it's crazy because it's not just the "teens" who are enjoying their music. But people who enjoyed the funk and disco of the 70s and 80s are enjoying IVOS now.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 04, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
"I believe IVOS arrangement are far more sophiscated than Juan Karlos... take note..."I believe"
I don't know what you meant by objectively, how do you measure their skill objectively? Can you be precise by showing us your objective analysis of their skill?
You are absolutely misrepresenting me...read back please...
I said... "So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would.
"If people" ....It's very different from saying "People are labelling them"
I was very clear from the beginning... "I think" they are the savior of the OPM
Your opinion...my opinion :)
ulitin ko with absolute sincerity papsi ha, pwede kang magpaliwanag ng tagalog.
mahirap intindihin English mo pag mejo mali mali ang grammar or wording. baka mali ang "translation" ng makakabasa.
"I believe IVOS arrangement are far more sophiscated than Juan Karlos... take note..."I believe"
okay. fair enough. you believe.
I don't know what you meant by objectively, how do you measure their skill objectively? Can you be precise by showing us your objective analysis of their skill?
when I say objectively, I mean my observations are not affected by my disbelief in your statement that IVOS is the savior of OPM and you don't "believe" in Juan Karlos' Skill.
Walang bias affecting my observation, kumbaga.
you want an analysis? I recorded tunes in the same studio with these guys. I saw first hand how these tracks were recorded, were produced. from the first song draft to the final pass of the mix.
We had the same Studio Engineers, albeit different producers.
skill wise? both guys from JK and IVOS play the pentatonic, drums are pretty much your 4/4 measure, ano pa gusto mo marinig?
vocals? they both sing good.
Have you heard them play live sir?
You are absolutely misrepresenting me...read back please...
I said... "So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would.
"If people" ....It's very different from saying "People are labelling them"
I was very clear from the beginning... "I think" they are the savior of the OPM
No, you were not very clear from the beginning. kaya nga simula palang sinasabihan na kita magtagalog ka nalang para malinaw statements mo.
so sino si people? pakielaborate din po sir kung sino yung people na tinutukoy mo. kapitbahay niyo? teacher mo? classmates mo? officemates?
pag sinabi nila na sila nga ang messiah of OPM, okay na rin sayo? tama ba sir?
Your opinion...my opinion :)
exactly. kaya nga nakakapagtaka sobrang defensive mo sa pag tatanggol na sila yung savior ng OPM :D
Kailan pa po naging music ang fliptop? I have never been aware naging music genre na pala ang fliptop..hahaha :D
I dont know if you read my definition, but certainly my definition doesn't cover fliptop at all.... It's not music to me, and if it is to you, then it's your call :)
teka, kelan pa nagging Music Genre ang IVOS?
o, explain ko further. ganito kasi takbo ng logic mo...
variables:
IVOS - Banda/Group of People
OPM - Genre
Statement mo:
IVOS = Savior ng OPM kasi andaming nahumaling ulit makinig sa local music dahil sa kanila.
I guess it all boils down sa definition ng OPM savior.
For me, it's definition is that anyone who could bring back the attention of the Filipino mass back to the original filipino music, not through any other means (i.e artista, or pogi) but through music ability and compositions. This is my personal measurement.
given the above logic,
Variables:
Fliptop - Group of Rappers
OPM HipHop - Genre
resulting statement from your logic:
Fliptop = Savior of OPM HipHop kasi andaming nahumaling ulit makinig sa local hiphop music dahil sa kanila.
naintindihan mo na?
Post by: Kennyadry on April 05, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
ulitin ko with absolute sincerity papsi ha, pwede kang magpaliwanag ng tagalog.
mahirap intindihin English mo pag mejo mali mali ang grammar or wording. baka mali ang "translation" ng makakabasa.
Sorry sir ha, but mas sanay akong mag type sa English. But I'll try to type it in tagalog.
I understand the point na baka ma misinterpret..but can you cite my grammatical mistake resulting to your misinterpretation?
skill wise? both guys from JK and IVOS play the pentatonic, drums are pretty much your 4/4 measure, ano pa gusto mo marinig?
vocals? they both sing good.
Good observation on the pentatonics, 4/4 measure and singing quality.
But I find ivos songs technically more complex than jk. The guitar riffs were more well crafted and the basslines and drums were arranged cleaner for ivos in my opinion. And I think IVOS have better dynamics compared to JK. But it could be that my personal judgment is affected by the fact that IVOS has more songs than JK.
Your "pogi" thing, I believe is more applicable to JK than to the IVOS. Di hamak na mas maraming nagtitiliang babae kay JK everytime he sings buwan.
Have you heard them play live sir?
No I haven't. Youtube lang. Does it disqualify me from giving my 2 cents?
No, you were not very clear from the beginning. kaya nga simula palang sinasabihan na kita magtagalog ka nalang para malinaw statements mo.
Pasensya na kung hindi mo naintindihan ang English ko sir ;)
But I still insist I was clear from the beginning. And I don't think my grammar is the problem, if you can quote my grammatical mistakes resulting to your misinterpretation, then I will properly accept it :) but take note ha, "grammatical mistake resulting to your misinterpretation"
so sino si people? pakielaborate din po sir kung sino yung people na tinutukoy mo. kapitbahay niyo? teacher mo? classmates mo? officemates?
pag sinabi nila na sila nga ang messiah of OPM, okay na rin sayo? tama ba sir?
People means mass of people not just "a particular group of people"....I based this definition of people solely on these facts..
Mundo is No. 1 both on the Spotify Global Charts and Spotify Philippines Daily Charts. (2018)
Nominees for Best Southeast Asian Act at this year’s MTV Europe Music Awards (EMAs). (2018)
And again, baka ma mis interpret mo naman...I put the word, "if" before the word "people"..It's a conditional clause..I am not saying that the people have already said it. It is "My Assumption" that "if" people call them the savior I would accept it.
exactly. kaya nga nakakapagtaka sobrang defensive mo sa pag tatanggol na sila yung savior ng OPM :D
I did not defend them since I know it's only my opinion. I dont know what you're saying about me being defensive. Your misinterpretation has took a toll on you. I have always said that calling them (IVOS) the OPM's savior "is my opinion".
And if people (please don't let me redefine this again) accept them as the OPM's savior, I would accept it.
Are there any bands better than them (IVOS)? YES for SURE
Are there any bands worth listening than them? Certainly yes
But I am not aware (yet) of any band who have created a certainly huge bandwagon effect such as the IVOS
https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/iv-of-spades-ayala-solenad-mall-show-concert-fans
teka, kelan pa nagging Music Genre ang IVOS?
I never said IVOS is a genre,... please...stop misrepresenting my posts
Variables:
Fliptop - Group of Rappers
OPM HipHop - Genre
The last time I checked, fliptop is the term they call for rap battle.(https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlipTop)
So kailan pa to naging group of rappers?
If you can probably mention an OPM Hiphop group that has songs "people" are listening to. Then I can probably understand now your point.
Post by: red lights on April 05, 2019, 07:50:16 AM
savior ng OPM? namatay ba? magsasawa ka sa underground ng OPM. lawakan mo pananaw mo TS. Wag ka mabulag sa kagwapuhan ng IVOS (kahit tatlo lang sila).
Post by: robinonibor on April 05, 2019, 08:07:14 AM
savior ng OPM? namatay ba? magsasawa ka sa underground ng OPM. lawakan mo pananaw mo TS. Wag ka mabulag sa kagwapuhan ng IVOS (kahit tatlo lang sila).boooo dun ka sa rats mag post :lol:
Post by: red lights on April 05, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
boooo dun ka sa rats mag post :lol:
mahigpit sa bagong trabaho :lol: :lol:
kaya eto pasilip silip lang :lol: :lol:
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 05, 2019, 08:45:33 AM
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Post by: Kennyadry on April 05, 2019, 08:55:29 AM
savior ng OPM? namatay ba?
According to these articles ...it is being implied that it is dying.
https://newsbits.mb.com.ph/2017/07/30/who-killed-opm/
http://varsitarian.net/circle/20120513/now_and_then_is_opm_going_extinct
Although some articles may find ways to reason out it is still alive and well
https://www.rappler.com/entertainment/music/49260-radio-republic-opm-alive
Pero mahirap i deny na mas dumami ang tumangkilik sa musica ng ibang bansa (k-pop, jpop, ed sheeran, bruno mars, etc.) kaysa sa OPM
https://smartboxph.wixsite.com/arts-culture/opm-fighting-for-survival
magsasawa ka sa underground ng OPM. lawakan mo pananaw mo TS.
Brod, hindi ko sinasabi na walang magagaling sa underground ng OPM.
My personal favorite OPM artist is Crowns Down and it's because of their guitarist na si Jojo Garbilao. I'm pretty sure kaonti lang nakakalam nitong bandang ito, kung skills lang and musicality ang pag-uusapan, malayo ang IVOS nito, but unfortunately, hindi sila sikat.
Wag ka mabulag sa kagwapuhan ng IVOS (kahit tatlo lang sila).
Ikaw lang ang nagsabi nyan brod.
Post by: red lights on April 05, 2019, 09:03:06 AM
dying pero hindi dead as in patay na. nasa tamang oras at lugar lang ang ivos. mas trip ko pa nga si Unique nung nag-solo eh
Post by: Kennyadry on April 05, 2019, 10:11:44 AM
dying pero hindi dead as in patay na. nasa tamang oras at lugar lang ang ivos. mas trip ko pa nga si Unique nung nag-solo eh
Yes you are right, at least ngayon, hindi na kpop at jpop at ed sheeran ang tinitilian ng karamihan.
Post by: red lights on April 05, 2019, 01:38:28 PM
Yes you are right, at least ngayon, hindi na kpop at jpop at ed sheeran ang tinitilian ng karamihan.
antayin mo ko, hindi pa sumisikat laos na :lol: :lol:
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 05, 2019, 03:32:22 PM
Sorry sir ha, but mas sanay akong mag type sa English. But I'll try to type it in tagalog.parang di ka naman masyadong sanay :D lol.
I understand the point na baka ma misinterpret..but can you cite my grammatical mistake resulting to your misinterpretation?
next time nalang. madami dami din eh.
Good observation on the pentatonics, 4/4 measure and singing quality.
But I find ivos songs technically more complex than jk.
The guitar riffs were more well crafted and the basslines and drums were arranged cleaner for ivos in my opinion.
And I think IVOS have better dynamics compared to JK.
But it could be that my personal judgment is affected by the fact that IVOS has more songs than JK.
Fair enough observations.
while it may be true that the studio versions of IVOS songs sound better and cleaner than JK.
However, we have to remember that a studio recording is affected by a lot of factors and that it's not only the artist you are "hearing".
the studio recording is a product of the artist, the producers and the engineers.
Hence my statement earlier that they are pretty much are at par, in terms of skills, in terms of being the artists.
kasi kung studio recording lang tayo babase, maaaring ang mas magaling eh yung producer kaya mas gusto mo yung songs nung isa.
Your "pogi" thing, I believe is more applicable to JK than to the IVOS. Di hamak na mas maraming nagtitiliang babae kay JK everytime he sings buwan.
eh... di mo pa nga sila napapanood maglive diba? JK or IVOS?
Dumog ng female fans ang IVOS shows sir.
Sa kanila ko lang nakita yung nagiiyakang mga babaeng teenage fans na nagtatantrum sa mga magulang nila pag di pinayagang manood ng gig ng IVOS.
I highly encourage you watch their live gigs as well. both JK and IVOS.
No I haven't. Youtube lang. Does it disqualify me from giving my 2 cents?
No it doesn't disqualify you, pero it sure does lessens the credibility.
kasi it shows na hindi ka nakakanood ng gigs ng iba't ibang local artists kaya hasty ka to make the statement, or agree with the statement na "IVOS is the savior of OPM"
as I've mentioned in my previous posts, not that I am discrediting the skills of IVOS, pero really andaming solid mas magaling sakanila, hindi lang kasing sikat kasi nga, walang ganung klaseng break or connections.
no producer, no manager, no label.
Pasensya na kung hindi mo naintindihan ang English ko sir ;)thanks fine, mas naiintindihan na kita ngayon. :)
But I still insist I was clear from the beginning. And I don't think my grammar is the problem, if you can quote my grammatical mistakes resulting to your misinterpretation, then I will properly accept it :) but take note ha, "grammatical mistake resulting to your misinterpretation"insist mo pa, eh andami na ngang nagreact sa post mo dito :)
to err is human :)
People means mass of people not just "a particular group of people"....I based this definition of people solely on these facts..eto nanaman yung flawed logic eh. number 1 sa charts, nominees sa music awards.
Mundo is No. 1 both on the Spotify Global Charts and Spotify Philippines Daily Charts. (2018)
Nominees for Best Southeast Asian Act at this year’s MTV Europe Music Awards (EMAs). (2018)
And again, baka ma mis interpret mo naman...I put the word, "if" before the word "people"..It's a conditional clause..I am not saying that the people have already said it. It is "My Assumption" that "if" people call them the savior I would accept it.
by that train of thought kasi mangyayari niyan nagnumber din ang "What The Fox Say" ni Ylvis sa Charts.
Savior na rin si Ylvis ganon?
I did not defend them since I know it's only my opinion. I dont know what you're saying about me being defensive. Your misinterpretation has took a toll on you. I have always said that calling them (IVOS) the OPM's savior "is my opinion".
And if people (please don't let me redefine this again) accept them as the OPM's savior, I would accept it.
hindi ko na tlga ipapadefine sayo ito kasi hindi mo talaga mapapaliwanag ng maayos :Daily
to begin with nga kasi, the logic is flawed.
dinedepensahan mo nanaman sarili mo na kesyo ako lang nagmimisinterpret ng mga statements mo eh kita mo naman lahat ng taong nagreply dito na tuliling sa OPM Savior conditional clause mo :D
Are there any bands better than them (IVOS)? YES for SUREnaks with sources hahaha
Are there any bands worth listening than them? Certainly yes
But I am not aware (yet) of any band who have created a certainly huge bandwagon effect such as the IVOS
https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/iv-of-spades-ayala-solenad-mall-show-concert-fans
it's from the internet, so it must be facts! :D
kung bandwagon nga lang pinaguusapan, dami dami tols.
not saying they are worth listening to ha, pero yung Ex-Batallion yun bandwagon din solid.
depende nalang kung ano ulit depinisyon mo ng bandwagon.
I never said IVOS is a genre,... please...stop misrepresenting my postslinawin mo kasi pagpopost mo.
there's no other way to interpret your statements other than a literal or word for word basis dahil forum ito.
now what I've been saying since post 1, state your points clearly.
The last time I checked, fliptop is the term they call for rap battle.(https://tl.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlipTop)uhm... sino po kasali sa Fliptop? diba mga rapper?
So kailan pa to naging group of rappers?
yan kasi puro wikipedia at google search ginagamit mong source.
based on the previous post i made pertaining to logic, I was referring to the contestants included in FlipTop. The rappers.
so yug kasali sa fliptop, pinasikat nila ulit yung OPM Hiphop genre, so saviors of OPM hiphop na rin sila?
o baka ngayon ako parin ang nagiisang nagmimisinterpret ha. :D
If you can probably mention an OPM Hiphop group that has songs "people" are listening to. Then I can probably understand now your point.Arists of FlipMusic: LDP, Abra, June Marieezy, Rjay
EX-B, Smugglaz, BLKD
daming niyang sikat ngayon.
either way, sobrang humahaba na tong usapang to.
wala naman itong katapusan, at the end of this discussion, you're still putting IVOS on the top of the pedestal.
my final point is this:
Go out, watch more gigs, watch and listen to more unknown artists.
OPM is so not dead and dying.
it's just that people are lazy to find ways to listen and instead, just say that its dead.
nasanay kasi tayo puro YOUTUBE, SPOTIFY or LoveRadio nalang.
We forget that the music played on the radio and mainstream listening sites are not the only ones left for OPM.
OPM is rich in talent. hindi lang lahat nabigyan ng mainstream avenue to showcase.
Post by: nicoyow on April 06, 2019, 02:24:57 AM
BTT: going back to the topic, IVOS as OPM savior? Nah.. kalokohan. Have you already explored the indie scene today? Have you been to live gigs recently? Ever heard of Tom's Story? How about Peryodiko? (if the case was musical package)
Kennyadry, start exploring. Not because we told you, but for you to widen your knowledge about OPM. OPM doesn't need just a savior. It need heroes. Not just a man but men of talent, skills, dedication and hardwork.
Post by: Boxedking on April 06, 2019, 04:10:46 AM
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 06, 2019, 01:53:12 PM
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Post by: Kennyadry on April 10, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
next time nalang. madami dami din eh.
- madami-dami pero ni isa hindi maka point out. What a lame excuse.
Hence my statement earlier that they are pretty much are at par, in terms of skills, in terms of being the artists.
kasi kung studio recording lang tayo babase, maaaring ang mas magaling eh yung producer kaya mas gusto mo yung songs nung isa.
- If the IVOS's producer and sound engineer have made it appear to the listener/viewer that IVOS talent is better than JK, then kudos to them.
- If the JK's producer and sound engineer have made it appear to the listener/viewer that JK's talent is worse than IVOS, then they should be really looking for better replacements.
- But watching JK live (Yes I did watch JK band live, I find Juan Karlos guitar playing messy (for the lack of a better term)...the least I could say is unrefined. The other instrumentalists are good, particularly the lead guitar and the bassist..but their lead singer is messing up with his instruments...I really like him as a performer and a singer though.
- I could only say IVOS have better playing (instruments) based on what I see on youtube with their live performances. And yes I admit it's not a good thing to compare youtube (for IVOS) and live (JK). But I can't help but compare
eh... di mo pa nga sila napapanood maglive diba? JK or IVOS?
- IVOS I didn't
- JK the band, I did, twice, here in Cebu (I missed stating this on my previous post, so it's my bad). So when I say nagtitiliang babae, It's not youtube base of course. More or less 90% of the crowd (Base on what my eyes saw) were, females
- Siguro Cebuano females are biased towards JK kasi Cebuano sya So biased din ang mga cebuana for him. Naging kapitbahay ko rin si JK sa Consolacion 6 years ago before his "the voice years". I've seen his younger years until his present musical career. SO when I say nagtitilian ang mga babae, I literally hear their screams
- but fair enough, I can't have the appropriacy of comparison since I haven't watch the other band live.
insist mo pa, eh andami na ngang nagreact sa post mo dito :)
to err is human :) dinedepensahan mo nanaman sarili mo na kesyo ako lang nagmimisinterpret ng mga statements mo eh kita mo naman lahat ng taong nagreply dito na tuliling sa OPM Savior conditional clause mo :D
- Non sequitur. It does not mean that the forumist are misinterpreting it, makes my post err with grammatical mistakes.
- Again, I already admitted that my post can be misinterpreted, but to say that it contains "grammatical error" which resulted to their misinterpretation is totally a different story.
eto nanaman yung flawed logic eh. number 1 sa charts, nominees sa music awards.
by that train of thought kasi mangyayari niyan nagnumber din ang "What The Fox Say" ni Ylvis sa Charts.
Savior na rin si Ylvis ganon?
-Grabi na man to oh...nasingit pa si Ylvis eh di na man OPM to. Unless you would contend that Ylvis is an OPM artist, mag iiba na naman ang usapan dyan.
naks with sources hahaha
it's from the internet, so it must be facts!
- haha, ikaw lang nag sabi nyan. Neither did I say those were facts or non-facts
kung bandwagon nga lang pinaguusapan, dami dami tols.
not saying they are worth listening to ha, pero yung Ex-Batallion yun bandwagon din solid.
depende nalang kung ano ulit depinisyon mo ng bandwagon.
- "IF " (again conditional clause) Ex-Batallion has gotten the attention of the Filipinos away from foreign artists, then yes,...consider him part of my definition of being an "OPM" savior.
- The point that I am making is not whether the IVOS are the best artists in the Philippines. NO not yet. They're still far from that in my opinion.
- But are they taking back the filipino crowd from - Kpop, Jpop, Ed Sheeran, and so on ...back to the Filipino music? In my observation IVOS is doing that.
yan kasi puro wikipedia at google search ginagamit mong source.
- The only thing that can make the conversation be understood clearly is when people have "common grounds" on the definition of the terms being used. If people define terms differently, there is no common ground. The reason I chose to use wiki source is to at least confirm from you kung pareho ba tayo ng definition. Wala talagang klaro kung iba yung sayo. Logic won't work if we think of these terms differently.
Arists of FlipMusic: LDP, Abra, June Marieezy, Rjay
EX-B, Smugglaz, BLKD
- I haven't observe a mass of filipino people following any of these groups. I know some of them, since my brother is a fan of this kind of thing. But yeah, "IF" these groups are getting the attention of Filipinos away from foreign artists, then yes,...consider him part of my definition of being an "OPM" savior.
my final point is this:
Go out, watch more gigs, watch and listen to more unknown artists.
OPM is so not dead and dying.
it's just that people are lazy to find ways to listen and instead, just say that its dead.
nasanay kasi tayo puro YOUTUBE, SPOTIFY or LoveRadio nalang.
- and this is my final point. Probably my final reply.
I know lots of really good local artists and I am sympathetic towards the fact that they are not getting a shot at fame.
And NO, IVOS is not the best OPM band for me, their skill are still far from what I consider the best.
BUT, I am happy that they are taking the attention of the mass filipino back to OPM away from foreign music.
This, I believe is good for the music industry in the Philippines.
Post by: Kennyadry on April 10, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
OT: di na ako nagbasa kasi nakakahilo sa dami ng replies.
BTT: going back to the topic, IVOS as OPM savior? Nah.. kalokohan. Have you already explored the indie scene today? Have you been to live gigs recently? Ever heard of Tom's Story? How about Peryodiko? (if the case was musical package)
Kennyadry, start exploring. Not because we told you, but for you to widen your knowledge about OPM. OPM doesn't need just a savior. It need heroes. Not just a man but men of talent, skills, dedication and hardwork.
See my reply to red lights. I can't repeat my self a lot. Time is limited.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 10, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Very good point.
You may also add to it(omit) that their parents may have some connections...(Especially that(omit) when you add to the fact(omit - replace with "when you consider") that both Zild and Blaster fought for (in) the finals of the(omit)EB's Music Hero, I[/I] can't help but wonder why these two went all the way to the ultimate final showdown without any connection help at all)
You may reject to(omit) the idea that they are the savior, probably because of their pogi thing...
But I CAN SAY(omit - replace with "the reason I said" ) "I can accept them if they will be called the savior of the OPM in "today's" generation."
The reason for that is,...They have the "skill" and "talent"...
Yes they are pogi,.....pero kung kapogian lang ang naging dahilan ng pag sikat nila, makakapamura na talaga ako sa industriya ng musika sa Pilipinas...
Atleast, they are really good. These guys (as a band) can really play and make a(omit) good music to my ears, not someone like Daniel Padilla, or even Juan Karlos...
I seldom listen to any radio stations, but I heard their song (Mundo) for the first time when I rode a taxi on my way home...I thought, woah, these guys can play...didn't knew(replace with KNOW) their band name yet...
Then later I just forgot that song, until one of my church mate (replace with CHURCHMATES) played the guitar riff of that song and I said, wait a minute that sounds familiar, who's the artist? Then there you go...(there we go what?)
Searched it on youtube and yes, I was a little surprised at(replace with "with") how popular they are , but what was more shocking is how young they are but (add "nevertheless,") playing a genre that a(omit) certain people who lived through the 70s, 80s, and 90s can certainly appreciate.
So I guess, I can accept it, if people would label them as the "savior" of the OPM. I think I would. (If people accepted, then you would what??)
If teens idolized them because of their kapogians, at least, they idolized pogis with real talents...not just some random pogis.
pag inisa isa natin yang mga post mo isa isa mauubos araw ko :D
Post by: nicoyow on April 10, 2019, 06:33:42 PM
See my reply to red lights. I can't repeat my self a lot. Time is limited.wag ka magalit IVOS fan boy. :lol:
Post by: Boxedking on April 10, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
Post by: nicoyow on April 11, 2019, 03:28:34 AM
To sum it all up for the TS, in his own point of view, IV of Spades is on the top and he is shoving it in everyone's throat. With all due respect to that band, this thread is simply implying that "Wala ng mas magaling pa sa IV of Spades", tama ba?take it or leave it kumbaga. :lol: :lol:
Post by: red lights on April 11, 2019, 08:22:49 AM
hindi kaya type ni TS si plaster silonga?
Post by: marzi on April 11, 2019, 09:36:20 AM
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 11, 2019, 09:44:45 AM
To sum it all up for the TS, in his own point of view, IV of Spades is on the top and he is shoving it in everyone's throat. With all due respect to that band, this thread is simply implying that "Wala ng mas magaling pa sa IV of Spades", tama ba?
to be fair, hindi naman daw sila yung pinakamagaling.
for him lang, he believes they are, and I quote, "The OPM's Savior"
kumbaga, messiah na magliligtas sa nabubulok na opm.
nahiya ng solid yung ibang opm bands sa statement :D
Post by: red lights on April 11, 2019, 10:41:28 AM
i dont know. naba-bother talaga ako sa turtlenecks e.
idol nila si Steve Jobs! bakit ba.
Post by: Sardonyx on April 11, 2019, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 11, 2019, 04:16:33 PM
Their music is nice... i like their music to be honest... pero to say that they are the best/savior of OPM, naaahhhh.... there are other OPM bands that i like more....
aliiiiiing cynthia.....
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 11, 2019, 04:27:07 PM
aliiiiiing cynthia.....
(http://images.summitmedia-digital.com/preview/images/2017/10/10/DARAnm.jpg)
tingggg... ang mga salitaaaa...
Post by: Boxedking on April 11, 2019, 05:37:23 PM
Post by: Sardonyx on April 11, 2019, 07:08:28 PM
aliiiiiing cynthia.....
Pakuha nga ng kanin at munggo....
(http://images.summitmedia-digital.com/preview/images/2017/10/10/DARAnm.jpg)
tingggg... ang mga salitaaaa...
this one hindi ko gets...hahaha
Post by: red lights on April 12, 2019, 07:25:29 AM
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 12, 2019, 09:56:54 AM
Pakuha nga ng kanin at munggo....
this one hindi ko gets...hahaha
kaya mo yaaaaan :D :D :D
Post by: my_betrayals on April 12, 2019, 10:01:35 AM
Post by: Sardonyx on April 12, 2019, 10:12:48 PM
kaya mo yaaaaan :D :D :D
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh....getssss ko na....
took me a day ah..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 12, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh....getssss ko na....Ako 2 days na e... pashare naman.
took me a day ah.....
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Post by: Sardonyx on April 13, 2019, 10:48:22 PM
Ako 2 days na e... pashare naman.
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Mas masaya kung ikaw mismo makagets...may sense of fulfillment... and ayokong i-deny sayo yung sayang nadama ko nung moment na yun... :lol: :lol:
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 14, 2019, 10:56:33 AM
Mas masaya kung ikaw mismo makagets...may sense of fulfillment... and ayokong i-deny sayo yung sayang nadama ko nung moment na yun...owwww... got it na... im so fulfilled pa iced tea ka nga.
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Post by: yeney_mugc on April 14, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
owwww... got it na... im so fulfilled pa iced tea ka nga.Milk tea nalang pala
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Post by: robinonibor on April 15, 2019, 07:27:07 AM
(http://images.summitmedia-digital.com/preview/images/2017/10/10/DARAnm.jpg)
tingggg... ang mga salitaaaa...
ngayon ko lang na kita to.
gusto ko i untog sarili ko sa table.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 15, 2019, 09:47:02 AM
owwww... got it na... im so fulfilled pa iced tea ka nga.
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Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh....getssss ko na....
took me a day ah..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
ngayon ko lang na kita to.
gusto ko i untog sarili ko sa table.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
O DIBA ANG WITTY HAHAHA chos. HAHA
Post by: yeney_mugc on April 15, 2019, 10:15:56 AM
O DIBA ANG WITTY HAHAHA chos. HAHA
nagiintay lang ako nun if may sasagot dito e. may katamaran ako mag isip.
kso si sardonyx, hindi nagshare e, kaya sinubukan ko na. haha.
Post by: robinonibor on April 15, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
nagiintay lang ako nun if may sasagot dito e. may katamaran ako mag isip.
kso si sardonyx, hindi nagshare e, kaya sinubukan ko na. haha.
katulad lang to ng classic knock knock jokes pero in a meme style pra mas millenial ang datingan.
O DIBA ANG WITTY HAHAHA chos. HAHA
yes sir! :lol: :lol:
dito po yung exit. I'll lead the way. haha :lol:
Post by: red lights on August 08, 2019, 12:17:12 AM
rico blanco x iv of spades, seriously hindi ko trip. pwede pa siguro vic sotto at iv of spades
Post by: Sardonyx on August 27, 2019, 06:05:40 PM
Post by: red lights on December 26, 2020, 09:27:14 PM
disband na ba?
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on February 26, 2021, 10:55:05 AM
disband na ba?
Parang. May kanya kanya na silang solo project except for the drummer
Post by: red lights on February 28, 2021, 12:53:24 AM
oo nga yata, nakita ko si Zild ba yun, nagtitinda ng palitaw
Post by: jepbueno on February 28, 2021, 05:37:37 AM
Parang. May kanya kanya na silang solo project except for the drummer
Meron din siya. Forgot the name of the band, if meron na. Lagi ko kasi nakikita sa ig ni Raymund Marasigan dati. Lagi niya nakakajam sa place niya eh, both of them kasi tga Marikina. May mga drums video sila sa Youtube.
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on February 28, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
Meron din siya. Forgot the name of the band, if meron na. Lagi ko kasi nakikita sa ig ni Raymund Marasigan dati. Lagi niya nakakajam sa place niya eh, both of them kasi tga Marikina. May mga drums video sila sa Youtube.
That's good then. At least they all have their own creative endeavors. Best of luck to them! :mrgreen:
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on February 28, 2021, 09:05:11 AM
oo nga yata, nakita ko si Zild ba yun, nagtitinda ng palitaw
:lol: