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Offline zxildjian

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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2007, 11:51:22 PM »
we have our own opinion regarding on that matter,in the beggining gusto ko lng mai-brought out ung hilig ko khit walang bayad ang club bsta mka2g2g km(15 lng kc ako nun)happy nko nun,pro di pla ganun!!!mahirap tlg kumita sa musika lalo nat nasa mid-level klng!...dati akong addict na addict sa pag"cifra"un tipong hayok!...ngayon pra akong narehab!!kc di stable mga slot sa mga club...ok lng kung lagi ka bumibiyahe eh hindi nmn lahat ng araw ay PASKO!
pag me tugtog,,...may yugyog!!!!khit tulog!

pwede kaplog!

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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2007, 11:55:50 PM »
because we all expect so much...? :-)

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« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2007, 08:14:47 AM »
mahalaga din kasi ang pag gawa ng connection at good business ralationship sa mga nakikilala sa industriyang ito. kung gusto natin magkaron ng future dito dapat mabango tayo sa mga taong may pera at syempre sa masa.
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« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2007, 06:13:59 PM »
mahalaga din kasi ang pag gawa ng connection at good business ralationship sa mga nakikilala sa industriyang ito. kung gusto natin magkaron ng future dito dapat mabango tayo sa mga taong may pera at syempre sa masa.

ang tumpak sa sinabi mo is the idea about BUSINESS. let's all face it - once you want to earn money from music, then you have to face the business aspects of it. You cannot stay purely the artist in such a case. the important part of it is to choose your own way of mixing the business and artistic perspectives - and stand up for it.

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« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2007, 09:07:03 PM »
ang tumpak sa sinabi mo is the idea about BUSINESS. let's all face it - once you want to earn money from music, then you have to face the business aspects of it. You cannot stay purely the artist in such a case. the important part of it is to choose your own way of mixing the business and artistic perspectives - and stand up for it.

good idea....

pero dami ako alam na musikerong umaasa lang talaga sa gabi-gabing gig para sa pamilya nila,

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« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2007, 11:31:02 PM »
good idea....

pero dami ako alam na musikerong umaasa lang talaga sa gabi-gabing gig para sa pamilya nila,

kapos pa rin..

hayun na nga. Everyone makes their own decisions. As a metal bassist, I find that my income from my band (which is zero; all profits go to the band fund so we can have money for coming up with albums) is not at all capable - at this point - of sustaining myself. That's why I made the choice to go corporate - and  now, though my band and I are struggling with the schedule changes, we're still slugging it out.

I'm not saying people should get day jobs, just that one has to be very realistic - especially when it's more than your life that's on the line.

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« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2007, 03:48:03 AM »
bakit mahirap ang pera sa musika? dahil sa laganap na piracy.

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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2007, 06:10:50 AM »
good idea....

pero dami ako alam na musikerong umaasa lang talaga sa gabi-gabing gig para sa pamilya nila,

kapos pa rin..

Practicality and life style din kasi ang basehan ng disisyon na mag ful time band/musician or to just make it as another project while you have a stable job. I work at night (call center ofcourse and been doing it for 2 years) and we're also having projects for a compilation album coming out this nov. (Initialy).  Kelangan lang maging balance ung artistry and practical side. mahirap pagkasyahin pero energy and time management lang.
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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2007, 06:52:00 PM »
Mas gusto ko yumaman, kasi eventually sisikat ako pag mayaman ako (tignan mo si Tim Yap). Pero if those two would get in the way of keeping the integrity of my craft, wag narin. Ok na ko sa ganito.

Pero truth be told, lahat naman dito sa pinas mahirap. Whether artist (as in visual artist) ka or musician, mahirap talaga ang pera. Sa Pilipinas, wala naman talagang madali.

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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2007, 06:23:05 PM »
siguro ang tinutukoy nya ay hindi in general...kasi damay yung mga musician na may kapit...(hinuha ko lang)

kasi ako man ay musician na nagsimula sa mga budget na 250-300 pesos per night w/ matching hold-up pa....

kung musician na ang category ay tulad nung mga normal na banda gabi-gabi...akmang-akma itong topic kasi dika talaga uunlad kung ang kita mo ay 300 lang,kahit na 7 days a week pa gig mo,dagdagan pa natin na may lagare ka pa(terminong banda)...di pwedeng ipambuhay,kulang pa sa upa ng bahay..delikado kung 3 anak mo.

Ang masakit pag umatake na ang pagiging bandang-banda ng mga kasama mo,andyang mambitin dahil may labasan na mas mataas ang budget,nambitin dahil me ka-grupong nakasamaan ng loob...tanggal kayo sa pwesto lalo nat major musician ang nawala...dito na papasok yung "pag walang tugtog,walang kain."na kalimitang bansag ng mga manlilibak sa mga musikero..."banda puro porma,wala namang pera!"

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« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2007, 06:32:39 PM »
napagdaanan ko lahat yan mga bro...pero diko ikinahihiya.
napakarami pa nyan......napakaganda pa nga nga halimbawa ko,imagine 7 days a week ang gig mo?...bihira na ngayon ang ganun...

sa ganitong category...98% ang naghihirap...nakangiti sa stage pero sa totoong buhay...umaaangal,kaya nga may "sulutan blues eh"kaya may "disband din"
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« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2007, 10:46:16 PM »
It's a big problem, really, how to allocate what little money you've got sa band. In my band's case, whatever money we get sa gigs, goes straight to gas money and a bank account for us to produce the next album. it's not a perfect setup - since all of us have to get our maintenance budget from our dayjobs. but that's the reality. the market for independent bands that play original music is still really small here - and given the percentage of the population willing to support good music, it's not going to get better anytime soon.

It's a matter of economy of scale. My cousin, who is a keyboardist for a band in the states (Crown City Rockers), makes a good living because "indie" there means being able to tour the whole state and maybe other neighboring states. that means they tour a couple of cities, and a LOT of local concerts and bars. Here, that's a major label band! And they have their own gear, all the way to amps, and I think a PA system. How many indie bands here can do that? it's because of the scale at which they operate. I did tell her that we had problems with bar owners and all, and she said that it was pretty much analogous to what they had there, but it's just that the size of their market is so much bigger.

Here, we have what, 12 million people in Manila alone. of that 12 million, let's say 3 million have the resources to go out and have fun listening to bands. of that 3 million, you will get...let's say 500,000 who are into original music. of that 500,000, you divide it into the different genres that people like listening to. Let's say you've got around 100,000 (that's generous) people who like OPM enough to buy stuff. divide that even further into the subgenres and the bands themselves. you'll be lucky if your band has about 3,000 people willing to buy your stuff. and then factor in piracy and the pinoy mindset that music is a service, not intellectual property. if you get 1,000 people to buy your album, and you're not in a "popular" style, then you're damn good, or you have good PR, media mileage and a good manager. And then you factor in our wonderful music shops, where the attendants don't know crap, and there is a "system" of sorts for putting your albums in key locations...and you get where I'm coming from.

In the live scene, we have only so many bars in a city that can support rock bands. we only have so many cities in our country. we only have so many organizers who are willing to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to rock events. add to that how a good portion of the rock fans are destructive or violent in nature (not saying there's a lot of them, but that they are a very visible component of events). and then, add to that how many bar owners and producers simply tow the bottom line of having to turn in a profit (seriously, ilan lang ba dito ang ala owner ng CBGB's?). We're getting killed by economies of scale, with the problems inherent in our local scene and culture.

Marami pa ang kailangan mangyari to make music a "paying proposition" for indie bands. But we should never let that get us down. We have to keep on going and show all the naysayers that music is important. If you want to make money off music, then be prepared to pay the accompanying price. if you want to make music because you love music, then you must accept that you will have to do what you must to keep on playing music that you love. Even if you're a rich kid, there are pressures that are inherent to doing this.

What is important, at the end of the day, is that in spite of all these things, you can go up on stage, and play something you and your bandmates have created. And then you work hard to play that music, even if it means it will be our spiritual successors - the incoming bands and bands not yet formed - who will reap the benefits of our hard work. because, in the end, you must love music, not just yours, but music in all that it was, is, and will be.

Sorry, medyo naging idealistic ata ako, LOL!

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« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2007, 06:53:07 AM »
It's a big problem, really, how to allocate what little money you've got sa band. In my band's case, whatever money we get sa gigs, goes straight to gas money and a bank account for us to produce the next album. it's not a perfect setup - since all of us have to get our maintenance budget from our dayjobs. but that's the reality. the market for independent bands that play original music is still really small here - and given the percentage of the population willing to support good music, it's not going to get better anytime soon.

It's a matter of economy of scale. My cousin, who is a keyboardist for a band in the states (Crown City Rockers), makes a good living because "indie" there means being able to tour the whole state and maybe other neighboring states. that means they tour a couple of cities, and a LOT of local concerts and bars. Here, that's a major label band! And they have their own gear, all the way to amps, and I think a PA system. How many indie bands here can do that? it's because of the scale at which they operate. I did tell her that we had problems with bar owners and all, and she said that it was pretty much analogous to what they had there, but it's just that the size of their market is so much bigger.

Here, we have what, 12 million people in Manila alone. of that 12 million, let's say 3 million have the resources to go out and have fun listening to bands. of that 3 million, you will get...let's say 500,000 who are into original music. of that 500,000, you divide it into the different genres that people like listening to. Let's say you've got around 100,000 (that's generous) people who like OPM enough to buy stuff. divide that even further into the subgenres and the bands themselves. you'll be lucky if your band has about 3,000 people willing to buy your stuff. and then factor in piracy and the pinoy mindset that music is a service, not intellectual property. if you get 1,000 people to buy your album, and you're not in a "popular" style, then you're damn good, or you have good PR, media mileage and a good manager. And then you factor in our wonderful music shops, where the attendants don't know crap, and there is a "system" of sorts for putting your albums in key locations...and you get where I'm coming from.

In the live scene, we have only so many bars in a city that can support rock bands. we only have so many cities in our country. we only have so many organizers who are willing to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to rock events. add to that how a good portion of the rock fans are destructive or violent in nature (not saying there's a lot of them, but that they are a very visible component of events). and then, add to that how many bar owners and producers simply tow the bottom line of having to turn in a profit (seriously, ilan lang ba dito ang ala owner ng CBGB's?). We're getting killed by economies of scale, with the problems inherent in our local scene and culture.

Marami pa ang kailangan mangyari to make music a "paying proposition" for indie bands. But we should never let that get us down. We have to keep on going and show all the naysayers that music is important. If you want to make money off music, then be prepared to pay the accompanying price. if you want to make music because you love music, then you must accept that you will have to do what you must to keep on playing music that you love. Even if you're a rich kid, there are pressures that are inherent to doing this.

What is important, at the end of the day, is that in spite of all these things, you can go up on stage, and play something you and your bandmates have created. And then you work hard to play that music, even if it means it will be our spiritual successors - the incoming bands and bands not yet formed - who will reap the benefits of our hard work. because, in the end, you must love music, not just yours, but music in all that it was, is, and will be.

Sorry, medyo naging idealistic ata ako, LOL!

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« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2007, 10:23:14 AM »
i can only speak for the gigging musicians (bars, parties, events) na hindi pa sikat. 
:-D

in my experience, mahirap tlga kumita ng pera ang mga musicians because of factors that are entirely out of our control.

factor # 1:  the bar owners/event organizers have their own budget for bands.  shempre, ang instinct ng mga to is MAKATIPID.  so they will, as much as possible, minimize ung budget for the performers para hindi naman sila malugi.

factor # 2:  customers that stay in the bar you perform in.  shempre, pati ung mga customers, NAGTITIPID.  sometimes, customers go in a bar and order beer lang and some pulutan.  but they stay for A LONG TIME...it's either kasi gs2 nila ung music ng performers, or marami silang kwento.  it will still boil down to the fact that the bar owners, who derive their income from their customers, will be LUGI kasi konti ng order, ang tagal nagstay.

aside from factors that are not in our control, shempre andyan ung controlled natin.  typical examples are daily expenses and GAS.  natural lng na mauubos ung kinita natin for the night dba?

sad reality...   :|

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« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2007, 09:49:25 PM »
pag walang tugtug walang pera  :lol:

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« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2007, 11:35:26 PM »
pag walang tugtug walang pera  :lol:

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« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2007, 11:42:24 PM »
matagal bago sumikat..

mag kakapera ka kung pag bubutihin :-D :-D

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« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2007, 03:57:48 PM »
marami ang pinagbubuti ang tugtugan nila pero wala at kapos pa rin
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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2007, 05:10:17 PM »
If you want to really make money, then it's not just about making music - you have to know the business itself, especially here in the Philippines.

The key to successful musicians is not really skill (though there are very skillful popular musicians), but representation: you have to know how to market yourself, or, have someone market you.

If you stick to the music, but also want to have money, then get a dayjob, play at night, and build a fanbase that is made up of other musicians and avid listeners. But don't expect a lot of money from the music. Swallow the bitter pill that if you stick to your purest ideals, that you will most probably not get uber famous and get lots of money. You can argue that some people have - but how many are they? And how many bands and musicians are out there right now? If you want to risk those chances, go ahead, but do not ever complain why there's not much money.

On the other hand, you can accept the fact that music here is mostly seen as either a service (they want something to listen to while they're drinking beer), or a product (your album, or listening to your music, confers upon the listener a certain status or reputation). It's rare for people to see music as art in itself that should be supported. Want to argue that it's the same in the States? Think about this way: they have 250 Million ++ people over there. We have what, less than a hundred million people here. At the very least, you have over there a possible target audience that is 2.5 times more than ours. And they're not as lopsided in the distribution of wealth over there as we are here.

Once you can accept the fact of music being a service or a product, then tailor your approach to the business side of music in that sense. Give top service, and at the same time, get someone to find a better paying place for you to play in - even if that means moving to another city entirely. Shape your product to be more palatable to more people, so you can get a bigger slice of the money pie that is our music industry. But if you do that, then be prepared to make compromises, be prepared to draw the line in the sand in front of your shoes. Because if you don't, then you're not ready for making a living out of music, or, worse, you will end up all product and service, and no art left inside you - you'll become a sellout.

I'm sorry if this sounds very depressing, but let's face it: here in the Philippines, unless you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth, mahirap talaga ang pera - hindi lang sa musika, kundi sa lahat ng uri ng trabaho. You cannot run away from the hard work, even in music - and in fact, because musicians are not given their "proper" (read: what some people hear American musicians get) dues, one has to work twice as hard being a musician as one does, say, being an office manager.

That's why, right now, I have my day job, and I'm struggling to balance my time with my job and my band. I've decided that I like music more when I don't have to think of it as a product or service, but as something I participate in as a person who has something to say, something to communicate. But I never complain about why there's no money in it, because it's the choice I made. I got into this situation with my eyes open. I may not like it, but it's the most livable choice for me. Now, in the future, maybe my band will get famous (big fricking maybe, that one), and maybe I'll be able to make money - and good money - out of that arrangement. But that hasn't happened yet, so I won't hold my breath and grumble about it. I'd rather make my day job more fun, and then having enough energy left after the day to rest or have a good gig with my band.


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« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2007, 01:27:21 AM »
mas pinili ko po ang mging sikat.since i was 11 i've always wanted to be a musician.i would admit it,it is coz it hink it was cool.after a year of being involved in a band,it was just more than being cool.i was now more on lyricism of the music than the impression it gives to others. i am more particular now with the messages of the songs i listen to.and before you can have those messages be heard by the people,you have to catch their interest by sounding good.i have nothing against any genre of music.i started with the ramones,sex pistols and have been involved with different bands and genres (alternative,thrash,hard rock,prog rock,hcore...etc...i even had s play band,and show band because i wanted to earn money from music.but i quit coz i opened my eyes to reality)..but as i grew older,i wanted other people to listen to our lyrics.the message of the lyrics coz that's the soul of the band...we express our anger,joy,hate,love,frustration,depression,anxiety there..though i dont hold the mic on stage,i hold up the low end,i still have the intensity when  i play and how i want these folks to hear our song..kay6a mas pnili kong sumikat khit d ako yumaman (and i strongly believe that there is no money in music),because i want people to open their eyes and thoughts...
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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2007, 02:12:36 PM »
Kung sumikat ako sa music ibig sabihin me talent talaga kasi yung yumaman  eh iba naman maaaring sa koneksiyon o "monkey bussiness"  hehehe ....

 Mahirap ang pera sa music bussiness nagtataka ako ang dami naman mahilig sa music maaaring  sa dami na ng websites na nag offer ng "free music" bakit bibili ka pa ?  di ga.   

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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2007, 02:18:02 PM »
magpapayaman muna ako tsaka ko papasukin ang musika...

para kahit di ako bumenta, mayaman pa rin ako...at nagawa ko pa ang gusto ko, ang gumawa ng musika...
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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2007, 11:48:55 PM »
magpapayaman muna ako tsaka ko papasukin ang musika...

para kahit di ako bumenta, mayaman pa rin ako...at nagawa ko pa ang gusto ko, ang gumawa ng musika...

paano na po yan sir marzi kung di ka yumaman?wala ka narin papasukin :lol:
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« Reply #73 on: December 20, 2007, 11:13:33 AM »
dami ng musicians ang nagshift sa trabaho na lang(ibang field)
pero di parin nakaklimutan ang pagtugtog kahit paano..dami ko kakilalang ganyan
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« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2008, 05:15:05 PM »
magpapayaman muna ako tsaka ko papasukin ang musika...

para kahit di ako bumenta, mayaman pa rin ako...at nagawa ko pa ang gusto ko, ang gumawa ng musika...

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