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Offline edmund

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« on: August 11, 2010, 06:51:39 PM »
mga nyor,any tips on soloing sa giant steps??

fast tempo ha

bad trip pyesa na ito di nakakatuwa  :x

william251082

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 01:22:27 AM »
Do what Coltrane did, he practiced it. :-D

I-internalize ang form, madali lang naman, 16 bars lang, kailangan hindi ka mawawala kahit ano pang distraction. Hindi ka mawawala pag iniisip mo yung melody.

Nung inaral ko 'to siyempre mabagal muna, inaral ko rin 'to in 3/4, pakinggan mo yung version ni Pat Metheny medium bossa ang ganda. Slow first so I can actually hear the effect of my melodies against the harmony. Kung maririnig mo yung solo ni Tommy Flanagan dun sa unang recording ng giant steps medyo nanibago din siya sa changes eh,  so he just played few notes.

Mag-kolekta din ng mga licks that you want, in my case nag-transcribe ako ng mga trip kong solo, yung kay Coltrane, Mike Stern, Pat Metheny ang trip ko. Na-transcribe ko rin yun solo ni Scofield sa Moment's Notice.

The challenge is connecting those ideas to make it sound natural and not an exercise, I'm still working on that myself, I'm still ain't happy with the way I play it, lalo na pag naririnig ko yung version ni Michael Brecker, pucha parang daling dali lang sila tugtugin yun eh. :-D

Also don't worry about immediately playing it fast, speed should come naturally. Jazz improv is a lot more sophisticated than just pooping out some note patterns. In my experience, may mga ideas na nahihirapan ako sa practice pero pagdating sa jam session, "heat of the battle" pucha lumalabas na lang ng natural hehehe
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Re: giant steps-help!!
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 08:06:42 PM »
brothe edmud...check mo toh:....

pero nakakalito sa live(with a bassist and a drummer) kasi pag-ikot ng arreglo parang feeling ko may bumabaligtad...ehehe...malamang utak ko na yung bumabaligtad.. :-) hirap talaga giant steps na yan  :x
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 01:12:02 PM »
yup kaka inis-yung gtrst kase nakasama ko kagabi-tawag ng twag ng giant steps,kunyari di ko naririnig hehehe  :-

isalang ka ba naman sa ganitong pyesa na di pa na aaral buti kung jazz blues puede pa




salamat sa input guys

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 07:17:31 AM »
These links might help:
1) http://mto.societymusictheory.org/issues/mto.06.12.1/mto.06.12.1.capuzzo.pdf
2) http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=14335&page=30

pero sa tingin ko si Bossing Aya Yuson parin and tanugin mo, sya ang expert dito. :-D


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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 11:17:14 AM »
yup already did.hanap lang ako ibang input pa

salamat sa links bro

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 01:10:32 PM »
These links might help:
1) http://mto.societymusictheory.org/issues/mto.06.12.1/mto.06.12.1.capuzzo.pdf
2) http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=14335&page=30

pero sa tingin ko si Bossing Aya Yuson parin and tanugin mo, sya ang expert dito. :-D
Ang hirap naman yan, basta ko iniisip ko dun 3 tonality lang B, G, Eb.

May book ako ni Pat Martino, yung mga minor 7th form. Oks din yung concept na yun. Marami namang ways eh, meron si Joe Diorio mga patterns, ang ganda rin mga modern ang tunog. :-D

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 11:11:52 PM »

na explain na ni aya to somewhere...
my song that' being aired in Sydney


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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2010, 10:48:09 AM »
mas madali nga ang tatlong tonality para sa akin

pano kaya style ni joe diorio?

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2010, 05:09:32 AM »
mas madali nga ang tatlong tonality para sa akin

pano kaya style ni joe diorio?
3 tonality lang din siya mag-isip pero ang dami nyang patterns na modern pakinggan. Ang mahirap dun magtutunog exercise lang pag overdone na. Anyway, Joe always uses those stuff sparingly in his playing.

Kung tutuusin hindi naman si Coltrane ang naka-imbento ng coltrane changes eh, matagal nang may ganyang harmony sa mga modern classical compositions at kung alam mo ang "have you met miss Jones" (jazz standard), coltrane changes yung bridge nun, well, more like a major third movement Bb-Gb-D balik sa Bb. The only thing that coltrane did is to improvise on that harmony at a fast tempo. That tune already existed way before Coltrane.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2010, 03:20:57 PM »
yup kinopya nga lang daw sa have u met miss jones-pero bro mas madali naman solohan have u met miss jones  

may narinig ako dati sa isang gitarista re joe style-parang 12 note intervallic achu chu chu daw. di k ko naman naintindihan hehe
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2010, 03:29:11 PM »
yup kinopya nga lang daw sa have u met miss jones-pero bro mas madali naman solohan have u met miss jones  

may narinig ako dati sa isang gitarista re joe style-parang 12 note intervallic achu chu chu daw. di k ko naman naintindihan hehe
Iba naman ang 12 tones music, dun kailangan mo gamitin lahat ng 12 tones sa solo or composition mo at may mga rules (long story), listen to Schoenberg, sa jazz naman listen to Ornette Coleman. Di mo naman kailangan sa pag-aaral ng giant steps yun.  :-D


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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2010, 12:17:04 PM »
pero yung gitarista na yun ginagamit niya sa solo yung 12 tone

research ko yan william,salamat


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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2010, 02:22:42 PM »
pero yung gitarista na yun ginagamit niya sa solo yung 12 tone

research ko yan william,salamat


Lahat naman tayo ginagamit ang lahat ng 12 tones eh. :-D

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2010, 09:55:38 AM »
nyahahaha oo nga hehehehe pero di ganun ibig ko sabihin.hirap explain dito

pero napulot niya raw kay joe diorio yun  :-)

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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2010, 08:15:17 AM »
post ka nga william ng sample, nang may matutunan kami hehehe :-D

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2010, 03:13:41 PM »
scandal?? hehehe

oo nga post ka bro, kahit kunti

pag confident na ako sa solo ko post din ako hehehe

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2010, 04:10:13 PM »
post ka nga william ng sample, nang may matutunan kami hehehe :-D
moment's notice ang inaaral ko ngayon eh yun na lang!

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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2010, 10:42:33 PM »

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nakuha ko lang to sa kung saan... nakatago sa files ko... di ko pa na try to..
my song that' being aired in Sydney


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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 05:36:23 AM »
moment's notice ang inaaral ko ngayon eh yun na lang!
Cge pa post naman kahit video thanks. :-D

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2010, 10:56:08 PM »
mas madali pag ginawang bossa nova.

"One thing I like about jazz is that it emphasized doing things differently from what other people were doing." Herbie Hancock

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2010, 02:56:55 AM »
mas madali pag ginawang bossa nova.

Galing, san ka nakakuha ng bosso nova na BT? mas madali nga pag bossa nova... :-)

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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2010, 08:26:21 AM »
Galing, san ka nakakuha ng bosso nova na BT? mas madali nga pag bossa nova... :-)

BIAB, as always.  :-)
"One thing I like about jazz is that it emphasized doing things differently from what other people were doing." Herbie Hancock

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2010, 01:42:51 AM »
Cge pa post naman kahit video thanks. :-D
Chong nasa LA ako nitong october, kung may time ka meet tayo! i-jam natin ang moment's notice at giant steps tapos lagay natin sa youtube!

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2010, 01:50:37 AM »
Chong Edmund mag-umpisa ka nang mag-transcribe ng mga trip mong solos, naalala ko yung sabi ni Scott Henderson, sa workshop niya dito sa conservatory, kailangan daw at least 3hours a day nag-tatranscribe ng mga solos. Tapos nung tinanong niya kung sino ang gumagawa nun walang nag taas ng kamay :-D Sabi niya, "You were bad kids! tsk, tsk,  Kids these days" :-D
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