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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: tam_guitar on December 09, 2006, 12:36:24 PM
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sir,
we just made a new song...pwede po mag ask reviews???
hindi ako nag master at mix, ung bassist namin...
acid pro at sound fourge gamit nya...
i really hope na merong mag respond dito :lol:
song: YOUTH THEME
don't mind the wind beneath my wings, nag trip lang akong kumanta :-D
kitC - can u give ur 2 cents???
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=135196152
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comment lang ako...mashadong angat ata yung percs. lalo na pag sa stanza, medyo nasasapawan yung vocals. :)
this one's sure different from "wisdom weed" pare :) pasa niyo yung demo kay papadom, chong. i was with your bandmates parang last month ata; they tagged along with papadom dun sa band practice ng trop; i dropped them off sa may edsa. kamusta na pala ang kukays? :)
irie.
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comment lang ako...mashadong angat ata yung percs. lalo na pag sa stanza, medyo nasasapawan yung vocals. :)
this one's sure different from "wisdom weed" pare :) pasa niyo yung demo kay papadom, chong. i was with your bandmates parang last month ata; they tagged along with papadom dun sa band practice ng trop; i dropped them off sa may edsa. kamusta na pala ang kukays? :)
irie.
pinasa na yata ng bassist (kenneth) kay papadom...actually ako pinaka bago sa group. wala kasi silang keyboardist kaya kinuha ako :? malay ko ba anong nakita sakin ng mga yun...
sige sabihin ko sa kanila ung comment mo, tnx ng marami sa time na makinig at mag bigay ng comment bro!
ok lang ung group, togs kami mamaya sa QC cityhall/circle
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sige pare, maghanapan tayo dun. dun din kami mamaya! topas chong, keyboardist ng rubadub. kitakits tayo mamaya. :)
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..I would pan the backup vocals either to the right or left a bit para hindi masapawan and lead vocals na nasa center.
.....The EQ needs a bit of warmth.
...acoustic is a bit loud.
...the lead guitars and the keyboards are like fighting (ending part)
...key here is to hear each instrument giving them their own space.
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Lose the tremolo effect on the background vocals when the main instrumentation comes in. Don't use it over the entire length of the song; it becomes rather gimmicky after a while so selective usage is key.
Pan the instruments so that they don't occupy the same sonic space as the vocals. Ride the faders on the percussion, pulling them down so that they don't interfere with the vocals. Panning also works here. Try to automate volume and panning instead of using a set-and-forget setting; it makes a mix more dynamic.
The mix needs a little more 'clarity", more sheen to it. It also needs more cohesion. All elements sound so... individual, you need to try to make them sound like they were recorded in the same room. Reduce their overall separation yet don't pan everything dead center.
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kitc, phil...
tnx for the reviews!
ill keep those in mind!
i guess its time to re-record, hahahaha!
peace out!
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just listened to it now lang.
1. is that a flanger added on the vocals? coz i cant understand a word pag nagsasaby na main and backup vox.
2. re: percussions... are those loops? if not... mejo malakas ang drums and parang nag aaway yung bonggos and drums
- you can pan kahit 75% lang ang bonggos to the right or left para lang di mag away
3. like what phil and bossing kit said. i also noticed yung lead guitar and keyboards sa end part na nag aaway... same din panning lang kasagutan kung tingin nyo naman may chemistry tugtugan nyo.
4. Overall.... maganda yung song hirap nga lang intindihin words dahil sa flanger yata yun
5. kitc, phil...
tnx for the reviews!
ill keep those in mind!
i guess its time to re-record, hahahaha!
peace out!
Kung may time kayo to re-record ok lang pero kung busy sa work din kayo Mixing na lang muna.
If you still have the multitrack recorded stuff... mix nyo lang ng maayos
*balancing sounds of each instrument
* proper panning
* EQ
yun lang BOW!
PEACE MAN!
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just listened to it now lang.
1. is that a flanger added on the vocals? coz i cant understand a word pag nagsasaby na main and backup vox.
2. re: percussions... are those loops? if not... mejo malakas ang drums and parang nag aaway yung bonggos and drums
- you can pan kahit 75% lang ang bonggos to the right or left para lang di mag away
3. like what phil and bossing kit said. i also noticed yung lead guitar and keyboards sa end part na nag aaway... same din panning lang kasagutan kung tingin nyo naman may chemistry tugtugan nyo.
4. Overall.... maganda yung song hirap nga lang intindihin words dahil sa flanger yata yun
5. kitc, phil...
tnx for the reviews!
ill keep those in mind!
i guess its time to re-record, hahahaha!
peace out!
Kung may time kayo to re-record ok lang pero kung busy sa work din kayo Mixing na lang muna.
If you still have the multitrack recorded stuff... mix nyo lang ng maayos
*balancing sounds of each instrument
* proper panning
* EQ
yun lang BOW!
PEACE MAN!
i have the wave file of each track...ILL JUST RE-MIX IT!
tnx poh :lol: ako din eh wala maintindihan sa lyrics, actualy hnd ko nga kabisado ung lyrics eh :-D
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what daw apps are u using for multitrack?
if you can load all wav files on cubase or sonar na mag sync lahat ng wav files... much easier magiging trabaho mo ;)
PEACE!
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ung original na nag mix nyan....sound forge at iba pang software gamit nya. hnd ako familiar.
adobe audition ang alam ko gamitin, dun ko i-re-remix :lol:
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Lose the tremolo effect on the background vocals when the main instrumentation comes in. Don't use it over the entire length of the song; it becomes rather gimmicky after a while so selective usage is key.
Pan the instruments so that they don't occupy the same sonic space as the vocals. Ride the faders on the percussion, pulling them down so that they don't interfere with the vocals. Panning also works here. Try to automate volume and panning instead of using a set-and-forget setting; it makes a mix more dynamic.
The mix needs a little more 'clarity", more sheen to it. It also needs more cohesion. All elements sound so... individual, you need to try to make them sound like they were recorded in the same room. Reduce their overall separation yet don't pan everything dead center.
oh yeah...absolutely.
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ung original na nag mix nyan....sound forge at iba pang software gamit nya. hnd ako familiar.
adobe audition ang alam ko gamitin, dun ko i-re-remix :lol:
just be careful sa pag papantay pantay ng mga wav files (syncing) prone ang audition kasi na umusog sa timeline yung bwat track. i lock in time mo na kaagad.
OT: boss kit online ka sa YM. papunta ako sa inyo mamaya maghahatid ng trabaho ;)
PEACE!
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Thanks for all the suggestions... The song that you hear- youth theme: the mixing, volume, flangers, panning, lyrics, etc. are all the specifications of the band. It is nice to know that you have noticed all of these. This is the sound of kukays jam, making it distinct from other groups. Well kanya-kanyang taste lang yan, and as to our side, we find it a perfect mix because our desired sounds came out in a smooth flow as we desired. It is our standard as professional recording artists, like any other bands. We do not like being branded like "it sounds-like this certain group or something". Every band wants to be unique, to be recognized as their own identity although sharing same genres with others. There has to be distinction. So here it is, our final product, sounds as planned, smooth, unique... ready for radio airplay and sharing.
-kukays jam
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:lol: nagreply na ung nag mix :-D
:roll: ano kaya reaction ng mga tao dito :?
-tam_guitar :wink:
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di ikaw yung nag reply neto?
Thanks for all the suggestions... The song that you hear- youth theme: the mixing, volume, flangers, panning, lyrics, etc. are all the specifications of the band. It is nice to know that you have noticed all of these. This is the sound of kukays jam, making it distinct from other groups. Well kanya-kanyang taste lang yan, and as to our side, we find it a perfect mix because our desired sounds came out in a smooth flow as we desired. It is our standard as professional recording artists, like any other bands. We do not like being branded like "it sounds-like this certain group or something". Every band wants to be unique, to be recognized as their own identity although sharing same genres with others. There has to be distinction. So here it is, our final product, sounds as planned, smooth, unique... ready for radio airplay and sharing.
-kukays jam
as for that reply of who ever he is...
YES every band wants his own identity, We are not taking that away from you. But if he cannot accept the flaws on his mixing.... nothings gonna happen to your band. If a Sound Engineer of a recording company which you're gonna pass that demo listens to it... I Think he'll probably comment on the same stuffs we commented to.
AND your gonna re-record, re-mix the entire thing again and again and again!
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There has to be distinction. So here it is, our final product, sounds as planned, smooth, unique... ready for radio airplay and sharing.
No sir... Im sorry pero your song is not radio airplay ready
PEACE!
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.....no comment. :lol:
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.....no comment. :lol:
haha playing safe si pareng Phil haha.
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later tonight baka basahin nya ulit ito...
Hahahaha...no comment si sir phil :lol:
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later tonight baka basahin nya ulit ito...
Hahahaha...no comment si sir phil :lol:
sana lang he takes it constructively. I myself kahit alam ko ng maayos pagkakamix ng kanta na minaster ko.... I still do find someone to listen to it and have their comments noted CONSTRUCTIVELY.
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Easy ka lang, jeps! To quote from another thread, "Your heart, remember your heart..." :lol:
To the original poster: you asked for comments and we gave it. To the 2nd original poster :-D : it's up to you if you want to retain your original mix; it's also up to the radio stations if they want to play it. You live and you learn. My suggestion? Get better monitors or a better soundcard... apparently, you don't hear what some of us hear.
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later tonight baka basahin nya ulit ito...
Hahahaha...no comment si sir phil :lol:
sana lang he takes it constructively. I myself kahit alam ko ng maayos pagkakamix ng kanta na minaster ko.... I still do find someone to listen to it and have their comments noted CONSTRUCTIVELY.
thats the sole reason why i posted :lol:
got to go to class....ill catch u guys later :-P
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sorry bossing Kit. hehe i find it very annoying lang kasi. anyway im online sa ym need to chat with you
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My suggestion? Get better monitors or a better soundcard... apparently, you don't hear what some of us hear.
...da best suggestion .....ever!!! bwahahahaha!!!! good one Pareng Kit :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I second that... get yourself a good monitors and a good sound card.
1. Behri MS40 is ok if your budget constraint
2. PHP 8,700.00 E-1-306 M-AUDIO Audiophile 2496 PCI Audio/MIDI Interface
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ei guys.. yung saken naman ang i-criticize nio!.. eto ang una ko na recording sa m-audio ko.. tell me the flaws so i can correct it.. thankkssa!! http://www.myspace.com/140864803 (http://www.myspace.com/140864803)
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@TheChief
here are some of my inputs on your song.
1. vocals aint blending with the instruments, must work on EQ and some effects (eg. reverb, dynamic processing)
2. maybe put some more mid on the hihats
3. lower down the volume of the kick just a little
4. put some more high and some reverb on the snare
5. dont pan your guitars dead center
6. review your mixing a hundred times (thats what i do) and listen to every single instrument playing until you hear whats louder than the other so you can balance every sound of instrument
lets just wait for others to add more comments.
BTW. how was it recorded? What are your gears and DAW that you used for this song?
Mery Christmas and Happy Recording!
PEACE!
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oki oki oki... noted!.. but i actually did panning on the guitars.. kulang siguro... my gears: behri dynamic mic --> behri mic pre (mic100) --> m-audio pci 192 on sonar 4 pe.. for the guitars,, zoom 606 effects --> guitar amp (15 watts vantage) to s-card..i connected the line out of my amp to the line in of my s-card.. i used a drum machine.. di ko pa kaya magrecord ng totoo na drums eh..wala pa ako gears para dun.. damn i wish i have real studio monitors!!...
http://www.myspace.com/140864803 (http://www.myspace.com/140864803)
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@TheChief
here are some of my inputs on your song.
1. vocals aint blending with the instruments, must work on EQ and some effects (eg. reverb, dynamic processing)
2. maybe put some more mid on the hihats
3. lower down the volume of the kick just a little
4. put some more high and some reverb on the snare
5. dont pan your guitars dead center
6. review your mixing a hundred times (thats what i do) and listen to every single instrument playing until you hear whats louder than the other so you can balance every sound of instrument
lets just wait for others to add more comments.
BTW. how was it recorded? What are your gears and DAW that you used for this song?
Mery Christmas and Happy Recording!
PEACE!
suko na ako....baka maulit na naman like the other guy. I'll just read. hahahaha :-D
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hahaha... di naman bro... im a newbie.. and my feet are hookd on the ground... narinig ko yng sayo eh,, ganda (nung music and nung quality nung recording),, lupet siguro ng mga gears mo.. merry christmas... :wink:
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ROFL @ Phil
ayoko nga nung una mag comment pero na click ko bigla yung link nya and i just cant help to give my inputs. Sumugal na lang ako uli dahil the last time sabi penge daw comments and suggetion pero di naging maganda reaksyon nung kabanda nya sating lahat hehehe.
Buti na lang ok tong si TheChief ;)
PEACE!
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mga pards baka naman me problem mga tenga natin JK..hehehe.. na ear fatigue na sa kaka rinig sa mga songs..well anyway, ang tanong ko lang eh gaano ba ka FAITHFUL ang reproduction ng wav file kapag pinadaan sa internet? minsan nagtataka din ako..like yung pinarinig ko ke kitC... ang sama sama ng recording pero iba ang dinig niya at yung medyo ok eh iba din ang dinig niya..no offense bosing kitC.. pero minsan nagdududa na ako sa mga songs na pinapadaan sa internet.. what's your take on this..ANYONE? i am thinking of posting a COMMERCIAL song which was recorded nicely and then lets see kung close nga ito sa cd recording.. 8-)
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Best guess ko, mp3 causes a lot of eq shift especially in the lower bitrates. Since mp3 encoding uses psychoacoustic principles, I believe it causes a shift in some of the harmonics, which is why I prefer to deal with wav files especially when mixing. I also do not like to encode below 192 kbps.
Btw, pareng Baldo, MERRY XMAS!!!
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL esp ke bosing kitC, MikeP, jepoy, Abbys, Chito, Macoy of Sin, Farseer, Delta slim, Starfugger, Digi Ann, AlroyT, Phil, Markflo, OAS yes OAS !, Direk, Jplacson, pinoy musika, Perf d castro, carabao, BAMF, ussfdoc, pallas, fretburner ..* hingal* .. bodhisattva - tama ba spelling?..vaisteen, vinceuv7bk , kanshooter, superoxy, bunyok, vegetablejoe, glassjaw, al librero, titser marco, bart, Skunkyfunk,
panterica, dopedeeva, roger alcantara, sa mga taga bass place at guitar central, pinoy drums, vocal booth at music tech at pro audio .. sana maging happy christmas ng bawat isa.. 8-)
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sorry sa mga hindi na mention, hindi nakaya ng powers ko.. :wink:
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guys may bago ba kayong song?
:lol:
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Easy ka lang, jeps! To quote from another thread, "Your heart, remember your heart..." :lol:
To the original poster: you asked for comments and we gave it. To the 2nd original poster :-D : it's up to you if you want to retain your original mix; it's also up to the radio stations if they want to play it. You live and you learn. My suggestion? Get better monitors or a better soundcard... apparently, you don't hear what some of us hear.
"your heart, remember your heart" --- my new favorite quote in 2007. :lol:
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Easy ka lang, jeps! To quote from another thread, "Your heart, remember your heart..." :lol:
To the original poster: you asked for comments and we gave it. To the 2nd original poster :-D : it's up to you if you want to retain your original mix; it's also up to the radio stations if they want to play it. You live and you learn. My suggestion? Get better monitors or a better soundcard... apparently, you don't hear what some of us hear.
"your heart, remember your heart" --- my new favorite quote in 2007. :lol:
parang line sa cartoons...
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patay si Tam Guitar.... kabanda nyo ba to?.... or fan?
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:evil: :evil: :roll: :roll: :-D :-D
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hey! why didn't i see this thread before? haha.
on a more serious note, well, music is entirely subjective(whether it's the musician or the engineer's point of view). there's no tweak that will guarantee the success or failure of a piece of music. hindi naman puwedeng sabihin na "dagdagan mo lang ng 3db yung 12k ng hihat dun sa kanta mo, magiging hit song na ito". but a lot of the forum members have the benefit of previous success/es. some of us used to take those comments from the record companies, and we seem to have become better at avoiding those comments. that's what we're trying to share. maybe some people can actually learn from out past "mistakes".
i find it rather ridiculous that the one asking for comments are taking those comments as if they were unsolicited. which they're not.
yung comment ko kaya valid? siguro naman hindi na ako totoy. tatay na nga eh. (corny :-D)
by the way, (OT lang) belated happy fathers' day sa ating mga tatay. pati na rin dun sa mga hindi umaamin.
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post kaya ako ng gawa ko?hehehe...uy uy uy uy...hehehe... :-D
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tama. tapos, sabihin mo, bawal ang negative comments. haha. :-D
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tama. tapos, sabihin mo, bawal ang negative comments. haha. :-D
masmalupet sir, pagpost ko...unahan ko na agad ng negative comments...hehhee.
pero seryoso na po..maganda tong thread na to...sana nga may magpost pang bago ulet...napakinggan ko ung kay the chief...ayus thechief...peace!gbu
sir marvin, kayo naman. :)
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hehehe. ano ka ba? hindi naman ako kulang sa negative feedback. hehe. :-D kani-kanina lang meron ngang nagsabi sa akin, ang taba-taba ko na raw. (para siguro akong dumaan sa tube compressor.... or expander. haha) :-D
anyway, sige review na rin natin. tutal, minsan-minsan lang naman e.
"youth theme" - could benefit from a lot more presence for the vocals, the percussion is too loud, overall the mix doesn't sound "finished", the effects used for vocals is too gimmicky for my taste (as opposed to creative and effective use of processing), drums could use some more personality. also, the vocals and the rest of the instruments don't sound like they're in one space (not necessarily a bad thing). the rawness of the material in general doesn't sound quite as unique as they've intended, as i've encountered this level of quality several times in demos.
"meron ba" - drums sound too mechanical, they sound programmed and it doesn't seem to be the intention, material could use some low notes a. k. a. bassline. reverb for vocals sounds too karaoke. material is rather too dragging for my taste, and therefore could use some trimming down, as it seems to lead towards a punchline that never quite arrives.
patay! baka ako naman ang awayin... hehe
"my heart, remember, my heart....hahaha"
jepoy!
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(para siguro akong dumaan sa tube compressor.... or expander. haha) :-D
haha.tawa ako dito!kulet!
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From now on, Marvin, I'm calling you Simon.
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Pasali. Sa akin, there are three important parts (maybe more) of a good song, the melody, lyrics (unless you are doing an instrumental) and arrangement. All of these are suppose to relate to the listener emotionally (remember, each of us have their own "music of our lives" - songs that we can relate, remember, cry, laugh, etc. to). Pansin ko lang, the song "Youth Theme" lacks intelligibility. You cannot hear or understand the lyrics. That kills the entire song totally. Without the lyrics being understood, or the message being discerned, the song already lost its vital purpose in the communication process. Kaya nga ang mga title ng songs dapat malinaw at normally nasa portion na pinaka-"hook" ng kanta para matandaan. The conclusion, if ever that vibrato or tremolo is desired, it should be used sparingly and let the rest of the lyrics be understood.
In terms of mix, etc., the comments of MarvinQ, KitC, etc. are worth looking into as constructive criticisms, to better make the song work to its fullness.
Yun lang.
FWIW
PS. Comments, Mr. Keddy? Isa ring magiting at batikang record producer gaya nila Marvin, Kit at iba pa.
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hahaha muntik ka na rin pala ma heart attack boss marvs! cool lang! ako nga di ko na rin nipansin eh.
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Iba ang tenga ng sound engineer(objective) sa musikero(subjective). true pero merong " ACCEPTABLE NORM sa RECORDING and MUSICALITY
AT CORRECTION- NASA radio airplay na kaya ng NU 107 "dread at the control" ang "youth theme" courtesy of PAPADOM. Personally impressed sya sa style ng song- tanungin mo pa sya.. punta ka sa corner emerald, garnet ave. sa ortigas. .. I did a recording on a Fil -Am group here in NY at hindi polished yung work and it sounded like crap and they ( NU 107 people) thought that it was great and was crediting me because they thought that the song was done in a big studio by a WHITE GUY... :-D :-D :-D
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Hmmm teka i need my heart pill ...prophylaxis muna ako baka madale eh.. :-D :-D :-D
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parang masyado yata kayo na amaze sa ganda ng tunog ng percs niyo nakalimutan niyo na ayusin yung vocals.
sa totoo lang halos wala rin ako mintindihan sa lyrics. hehehe kaya nga "SONG" diba yung pagkanta ang emphasized dapat ? parang nag ga gargle yung kumakanta hehehe. sana man lang kahit may effects yung vocals ginawan niyo pa rin ng paraan para maintindihan yung lyrics, eh paano namin ngayon malalaman (radio listeners) kung ano yung theme na gusto niyo ipahiwatig ?
anyway noob lang ako :-D ano ba yang drums diyan ? totoong drums or electronic drums or fruity loops ? as you've stated, PC lang yata gamit mo walang interface at kung anu mang mixer, w/ that drum sound quality imposible ma produce ng ordinary PC soundcard yan. saka para kasing pantay na pantay yung palo parang robot, adjust mo ng konti yung velocity if fruity gamit mo.
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...sa totoo lang halos wala rin ako mintindihan sa lyrics. hehehe kaya nga "SONG" diba yung pagkanta ang emphasized dapat ? parang nag ga gargle yung kumakanta hehehe. sana man lang kahit may effects yung vocals ginawan niyo pa rin ng paraan para maintindihan yung lyrics, eh paano namin ngayon malalaman (radio listeners) kung ano yung theme na gusto niyo ipahiwatig ? ...
baka hindi ka na "youth". hehe. youth theme kasi eh. "youth" lang ang makakaintindi. :-)
From now on, Marvin, I'm calling you Simon.
actually kit, he's kinda my idol, and you can consider me his disciple. now, i only wish i had as much bentleys as he does. oops, i forgot -- i don't even have one. haha.
(*) yes, i know, kit. it's way too early in the morning. it's not even 7am yet. too much caffeine?
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Pasali. Sa akin, there are three important parts (maybe more) of a good song, the melody, lyrics (unless you are doing an instrumental) and arrangement. All of these are suppose to relate to the listener emotionally (remember, each of us have their own "music of our lives" - songs that we can relate, remember, cry, laugh, etc. to)....
mismo, sir mike. i can remember discussing that very same point with hazel a.k.a. starfugger. (it was more a dialogue than a debate -- we were on the same side/team.) at some point it will have to boil down to the music. a lot of the job of the mixing engineer (and most everybody else involved) is actually geared towards the success of the song (success = ease at being able to convey the emotion and/or the message of the song). a lot of times, probably because of the multitude/multiplicity of the options (thanks to piracy and cracked plug-ins), instead of it becoming "about the music", it's becoming about "uniqueness", "coolness", "tunog kano" or "tunog egoy", etc. -- at which point the art is becoming purely an avenue for self-expression (not a bad thing, per se -- but i've many times likened it to a dog pissing everywhere to mark his/her territory with no real regard for his/her surroundings) instead of the pursuit of beauty (hence, that undeniable rhyme between the words "musician" and "beautician", haha) that it used to be (which i'd like to think is why we call the likes of bach, beethoven, mozart, picasso, monet, the masters).
...The song that you hear... the mixing, volume, flangers, panning, lyrics, etc. are all the specifications of the band....This is the sound of kukays jam, making it distinct from other groups. Well kanya-kanyang taste lang yan, and as to our side, we find it a perfect mix because our desired sounds came out in a smooth flow as we desired. It is our standard as professional recording artists, like any other bands. We do not like being branded like "it sounds-like this certain group or something". Every band wants to be unique, to be recognized as their own identity although sharing same genres with others. There has to be distinction. So here it is, our final product, sounds as planned, smooth, unique... ready for radio airplay and sharing.
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(*) i find it lamentable how some artists can actually rely on plug-ins or processing to generate their "uniqueness" or "individuality", kinda like some arranger i know who derives his uniqueness from samples he bought. (that's like a book author who considers the selling point of his book to be the fonts that he uses -- pathetic, di ba?) that individuality, in my opinion, has to come from something more internal than plug-ins or samples. phil collins was famous for his gated reverb drums, but it wouldn't be wise or safe for him if he had chosen to stay with that sound today. now, of course that'd be too "80's" by today's standards. but here's my point -- there's enough genius in his work that even if he lost his gated reverb, he'd still be phil collins, and his songs will still kick ass. to be able to tell whether the processing is just right (creative) or too much (gimmicky, and somehow imparts lack of skill) is purely a subjective thing of course. then again, ultimately, it's the listeners who are going to be their judge.
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kitc! may project tayo... gawa tayo ng kanta... yun na mismo ang pamagat... "your heart... remember your heart", tapos, yun na rin ang slogan at theme song ng philmusic. (or philippine heart center... or heart evangelista's fan club... ) :-P gusto ko yung unique, yung parang phil collins. hahaha!
(*) hey, you gotta admit it, it has a nice hook. :-)
... hehe. sige na. almusal muna ako. :-)
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...well let's just ignore the song posted here to be review because the original poster don't have the legal right to post the piece of music and have it criticize and reviewed. :-D
..for me a good song.....instrumental...usually all my stuff... should have a "hook" easy to the ears ... to the musicians....to the wannabe musicians....like me.... and to the common listener.
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From now on, Marvin, I'm calling you Simon.
actually kit, he's kinda my idol, and you can consider me his disciple. now, i only wish i had as much bentleys as he does. oops, i forgot -- i don't even have one. haha.
(*) yes, i know, kit. it's way too early in the morning. it's not even 7am yet. too much caffeine?
ah sir marvin...edi matutuwa ka dito pagnapanuod mo to...di siguro to OT kasi song review din naman ito..pero tignan mo ung bata na si connie...pati si simon...napanganga...at tama si bugoy...lyrics talaga number 1..MESSAGE ang pinakaimportante... :)...pero di din sya absolute...
enjoy mo to sir... :) astig!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En0A8KGMgq8
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...lyrics talaga number 1..MESSAGE ang pinakaimportante... :)...pero di din sya absolute...
actually, it's the SONG that's most important. the lyrics are just half of it... the melody is what makes those words a song, without which those words would just be poetry at best. that why i'm also on guard against anything that'll obscure or take away the focus from the melody line, whether it's an over-arranged minus-one or an overly eager singer who does every vocal acrobatic he/she could ever imagine.
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Yup! Way, WAY too much coffee in the morning.
Dem darnfangled new moosic is just too hard on our 'old-timer' totoy ears, dagnabbit!!! It's the end of the world, I tells 'ya!!! These young'uns ain't got no respect! No respect!!! Why if it were up to me, blah, blah, blah.................
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kitc! may project tayo... gawa tayo ng kanta... yun na mismo ang pamagat... "your heart... remember your heart", tapos, yun na rin ang slogan at theme song ng philmusic. (or philippine heart center... or heart evangelista's fan club... ) :-P gusto ko yung unique, yung parang phil collins. hahaha!
(*) hey, you gotta admit it, it has a nice hook. :-)
... hehe. sige na. almusal muna ako. :-)
i just need to laugh once a day, really. here's where i get my dose sometimes. :lol:
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Yup! Way, WAY too much coffee in the morning.
Dem darnfangled new moosic is just too hard on our 'old-timer' totoy ears, dagnabbit!!! It's the end of the world, I tells 'ya!!! These young'uns ain't got no respect! No respect!!! Why if it were up to me, blah, blah, blah.................
:D :D :D
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Yup! Way, WAY too much coffee in the morning.
Dem darnfangled new moosic is just too hard on our 'old-timer' totoy ears, dagnabbit!!! It's the end of the world, I tells 'ya!!! These young'uns ain't got no respect! No respect!!! Why if it were up to me, blah, blah, blah.................
:D :D :D
:evil: :evil: :evil:
haaaay maaga pa sa ganitong klaseng halakhak.
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hahaha ako nga din di pa nagaalmusal eh...
@marvin
sali ako sa pag areglo ng kanta hehehehe
@boss kit
wait lang ala pa jobet eh
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with just one song (i.e., tentatively entitled, "your heart"... i don't know why. haha). we can have...
(1) a songwriting workshop
(2) an arranging workshop
(3) a MIDI workshop
(4) a recording workshop --- special topic - scalarizers!
(5) a mixing workshop
(6) a mastering workshop
... and have tons of laughs in the process.
@kitc - i know, i know, it's decaf for me from now on...
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sama ako jan ha.. kahit na sa ym na lang hehehe
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hey. eveybody's welcome. kahit nga mga "problem child" eh(di ba, bamf?) :-P
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problem child ka pala Bamf hehehe... :-D :-D :-D.. isa lang naman ang gusto kong makita at marinig.. isang pinoy singer o banda na nakapag record na isang english song sa PINAS na nai released dito sa US..siguro bibitawan ko na mixing board o control surface ko
( yeah right- kapag me pera na :-D ) kapag nangyari yun.. masasabi ko ng SA WAKAS!!!! 8-).. actually i heard yung instrumental ng
song ni Freddie Aguilar na ANAK sa isang dept store dito sa NY.. sana naman masundan ito ng me lyrics.. :roll: at tipong nasa top 10...
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(OT alert!)Hopefully, sir, something good's gonna come out of south border's effort over there. Been hearing lots of good news about them.
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How can someone say a mix is perfect if he hasn't compared different opinions from different ears?
First of all, I don't like assessing a mix upped through myspace because of fidelity problems. But as to the levels, panning, and stuff, here is my opinion through my setup:
1. Percs are killing the mix. Masydaong angat.
2. Ok with the 80s drum sounds. Was this sequenced?
3. Flanging is ok but it needs more depth. Sounds like a dry direct recording.
Di ko ma-assess nang maayos because the sound is automatically lo-fi'd by myspace.
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pareview nito mga masters:
http://www.raketship.com/drumblog/feeling_sa_piling.mp3
the song was included on a CD as a wedding giveaway. my friend, the groom composed/played all the guitars/sung on this. i played all the percs in haste hence some time issues (1 take for each instrument so please dont comment on the lousy playing). i recorded the percs after arriving home from sir Kit's workshop and really needed to finish it since the wedding organizers need to burn the CDs the ff morning.
wasnt really expecting much from my mix but after listening again to bamboo's latest cd today, i cant help but compare and got really curious as to how the engineer made the instruments sound in 3D.
i guess mixing isnt just pan to the left and pan to the right. any tips on how to make the song sound 3D spaced?
its too late to burn the CDs again and the wedding was held last thursday :-D but i really want to improve the mix coz i really like the song
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...sa totoo lang halos wala rin ako mintindihan sa lyrics. hehehe kaya nga "SONG" diba yung pagkanta ang emphasized dapat ? parang nag ga gargle yung kumakanta hehehe. sana man lang kahit may effects yung vocals ginawan niyo pa rin ng paraan para maintindihan yung lyrics, eh paano namin ngayon malalaman (radio listeners) kung ano yung theme na gusto niyo ipahiwatig ? ...
baka hindi ka na "youth". hehe. youth theme kasi eh. "youth" lang ang makakaintindi. :-)
bwahahaha oo nga noh 25 na nga pala ako :lol: youth theme nga pala :-D
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haha, peeves, that's the magic of mr angee rozul ;) damn. his mixes sound deep, wide and tall, diba?
yung kanta mo, very catchy :) nice and easy to listen to. yung hook ang galing :)
tanong ko ano yung guitar na gamit dun sa mga "sundot" (clean lead?)?
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yeah i dont understand how he did the forward/backward panning of the instruments
stock squier strat yung guitar
thanks starfugger! glad you like the song too
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that 3d sound is a product of both equipment and engineer. the difference between so-so preamps and really good ones are most obvious in the context of a mix. also, it'll help you a great deal if you could invest on quality monitors.
comment from "simon" a.k.a., marvinq - the guitar doing the fills seem to be more "in-front" than the vocals, which shouldn't be the case. that fill-in track is also distracting the melody line at times, and therefore isn't effective from an arranger's point of view. overall the mix sounds far from finished. the vocals sound harshly eq'd. maybe a mic-related problem. did you use the c2 on the vocals?
peeves.... peace tayo ha? your heart... think about your heart... :-D
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hahaha fish tayo :-D thanks sa comment sir marvin! i didnt notice the guitar fills coz i mixed via headphones. tapos yung final mix kuno ko e tinest namin sa car (walang monitor/hifi speaker on hand that time)
the vocals was recorded via the usb version of the samson c01 condenser. the vocals did sound thin. i guess regular dynamic mics would have sounded much fatter.
wish ko lang sana sa susunod na PC workshop may hands on mixing
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Peeves heto lang ang 2 sentimos ko.. yung electric guitar i pan sa left para hindi nag co compete sa vocals,
yung vocals i eq ng kaunti para hindi manipis at gamitan mo ng de esser, yung bass sa tingin ko kailangan e bawasan yung lower freq at dagdagan ng mids.. ok yung percs mo, it adds spice sa tunog.. 8-)
about that 3D effect.. its more on the preamp"s ability to sound 3D and not scattered on the soundfiled plus the engr's knowledge on how to exploit this features. 8-)
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wish ko lang sana sa susunod na PC workshop may hands on mixing
There will be...
Tell you what. Burn your song project files to a dvd and bring it to Part 2 of the workshop (to be scheduled). We can offer suggestions on how you can mix it better or how you can arrive at the 3d effect you're shooting for. Right now, the mp3 sounds unusually harsh for a 128 kbps mp3; my guess is you used BBE Sonic Maximizer (which is known to destroy a mix) or some other form of enhancer. Btw, what software did you use to mix?
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sir kit, no eq was used on all the intruments except the vocals. the drums went thru a compressor and stereo expander. that's it (rush kasi <-- learned my lesson)
audition yung ginamit ko to record and mix
@baldo: salamat sa 2 sentimos, parang ako na yung natuto ako pa binayaran hehehe. the bass track was recorded using the same guitar used on the other 2 guitar tracks. ginamit lang yung patch sa zoom g2 para magtunog bass
ramdam ko tuloy ngayon yung limitations ng setup ko :-(
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that really the better way to go, peeves. at least it's your ears that can tell if and when you need better gear. a lot of people just get gear without ever knowing if those gears have indeed helped their music-making.
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wish ko lang sana sa susunod na PC workshop may hands on mixing
There will be...
Tell you what. Burn your song project files to a dvd and bring it to Part 2 of the workshop (to be scheduled). We can offer suggestions on how you can mix it better or how you can arrive at the 3d effect you're shooting for. Right now, the mp3 sounds unusually harsh for a 128 kbps mp3; my guess is you used BBE Sonic Maximizer (which is known to destroy a mix) or some other form of enhancer. Btw, what software did you use to mix?
yahoo!tuloy ung pangarap ko!sir salamat!matutuloy na ung brazilian mixer applications mo(dun sa kabilang thread!)wahaha...sir ako ba pwede burn ko din?hehehhe...
Peeves heto lang ang 2 sentimos ko.. yung electric guitar i pan sa left para hindi nag co compete sa vocals,
yung vocals i eq ng kaunti para hindi manipis at gamitan mo ng de esser, yung bass sa tingin ko kailangan e bawasan yung lower freq at dagdagan ng mids.. ok yung percs mo, it adds spice sa tunog.. 8-)
about that 3D effect.. its more on the preamp"s ability to sound 3D and not scattered on the soundfiled plus the engr's knowledge on how to exploit this features. 8-)
sir baldo salamat sa advice!kahit indirectly...dapat dalasdalasan nyo na ang pagaadvice!!!para marami kami natutunan! :) :) :) sir...iniiwasan ko ung de sser... parang hirap i-control!!! :-P
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Bindoy.. isa lang ang cardinal rule sa DeEsser..kapag parang me SPLIT LIP na sa labi yung singer o e nag lisping na, ibig sabihin nun Sobra na ang de essing hehehe.. also you have to know kung anong FREQ ang i de de ess mo. pero me guide naman kung male ba o female.. remember the TARGET words have " ess" .." shhh"" and " chh"
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You are entitled to your opinion, "musician", as we are entitled to ours.
If you cannot take criticism, good or bad, then there is no point in us giving it! Since you think so highly of yourself and your music, that your peers cannot offer you some advice to make you BETTER, then there can be no other direction for you to take than to go down.
Good luck on shoving your music down the public's throat.
I'm now locking this thread and deleting your offensive comments.