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HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« on: August 12, 2013, 04:51:53 PM »
Mga master.. Currently, i am using 2 18"RCF subs, 4 15" low-mid, 8" piezo tweeters.. napansin ko na mejo mahina ang sound nang boses and parang may kulang. anong size ng speaker ang pede ko idagdag para maenhance yung volume ng boses? should i go for additional 8", 10" or 12"?

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 06:04:14 PM »
Your 4 15" low-mids is equivalent to 2 18" subs.  :eek:
The common saying that the ears are the ultimate judge in music production? To some extent they certainly are, but as we are now aware, they can also be fooled extremely easily. -- "How The Ear Works" (2011) by Emmanuel Deruty

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 06:38:59 PM »
Your 4 15" low-mids is equivalent to 2 18" subs.  :eek:

Sorry sir di ko gets. :? Pwede pakiexplain further? :-)

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 07:22:16 PM »
Katumbas ng dalawang 15" ay isang 18". Ang apat na 15" ay parang dalawang 18". Ratio lang yan!
The common saying that the ears are the ultimate judge in music production? To some extent they certainly are, but as we are now aware, they can also be fooled extremely easily. -- "How The Ear Works" (2011) by Emmanuel Deruty

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 08:34:15 PM »
yun high na piezo mdyo mahina yan,wala pa akng naktang pro speaker na gnagamitan piezo for hi.para sakin magandang combination ng 15"mid yn 2" exit driver with cd horn.try u rin i adjust yun crossover freq.for low to mid bka mababa d rin lalabs yn mid.


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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 05:00:14 PM »
Katumbas ng dalawang 15" ay isang 18". Ang apat na 15" ay parang dalawang 18". Ratio lang yan!

So hindi advisable yung mga FOH na dual 15" mid/high & 18' sub tama ba sir?

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 05:37:11 PM »
Sa unang tingin palang, makikita natin na ang configuration niya ay malakas masyado ang low at masasapawan sigurado ang mid at high.
The common saying that the ears are the ultimate judge in music production? To some extent they certainly are, but as we are now aware, they can also be fooled extremely easily. -- "How The Ear Works" (2011) by Emmanuel Deruty

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 12:05:58 AM »
Kung nakukulangan ka sa boses sir pero ok naman sa rest, baka sa pag-mix ang prob. In my mix for voice, yung rack EQ ko is always in default (gitna lahat unless ang venue ko may acoustic issue at may mga frequencies na naturally naa-amplify or reduced). Yung EQ ko naman sa mixer, naka-default din sa gitna ang knobs. We call that "flat mix" and hopefully flat din ang response ng vocal mics to support what you're trying to attain. Pag sa singing ginagamit ang mic, nilalagay ko ang knob ng Low/Bass sa 10 o'clock (bawas from gitna). Pag speaking lang, 9 o'clock (mas bawas). Yung rack EQ iniiwas ko sa smiley or v-mix to avoid the "karaoke mix". Ito kasi yung tipo ng mix na natatabunan ng bass ang boses at nagmumukha tuloy na mahina.

If you feel this is not your case, sir, then baka may prob sa equipment mo. Instead of spending for additional equipment, baka mas maganda you spend for diagnostics and repairs muna.

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2013, 04:39:56 PM »
Mga master.. Currently, i am using 2 18"RCF subs, 4 15" low-mid, 8" piezo tweeters.. napansin ko na mejo mahina ang sound nang boses and parang may kulang. anong size ng speaker ang pede ko idagdag para maenhance yung volume ng boses? should i go for additional 8", 10" or 12"?

Thanks,
Can you post some details about your 15" low-mid transducer specially it's "claimed" frequency response? Your choice of high frequency drivers (tweeters) and horns will be greatly dependent on it, as well as the need for a "mid-range" transducer if necessary. Also, what type of enclosure are you using for the 15"'s, direct-radiating or bandpass, etc.?

The 8" on your piezo tweeters, I assume, is the width of the horn where it is attached to? Piezo tweeters are more often seen in consumer-type speakers, like those for residential use. Usually they are matched w/ small woofers to compliment each other, or in sometimes w/ a mid-range if the woofers are a bit bigger making it a 3-way system. Piezo tweeters do not reproduce good mid-to-high frequencies that well, in fact, they don't really reach the "mid-range" region. They are more efficient in the upper high frequencies. If you are looking for the good mid-to-high's quality audio specially for the vocal region, there is no way a 15" woofer coupled to a piezo tweeter can achieve this. This configuration will somewhat sound like there is a void or a "hole" in the vocal or mid-range region and would sound like only low's and high's, no mids, vocals sound "ipit" :)  playing music through this type is already not favorable, more so if you use it with a microphone for PA.

Piezo tweeters also have very low sensitivity/power handling capabilities. They get busted easily when pushed.

Based on your list, I would suggest you forego the piezo tweeters and use compression-type tweeters w/ CD horns (constant-directivity) instead. But don't buy one yet, you have to match it with your 15inch "low-mid"'s. Let's see their spec's first. Your choice of CD horns will also be dependent on how many speakers you plan to have.

When you match/balance your system, you have to consider which transducer is the "least efficient" or "least loud". This is important. You have to base the level of all the other transducers based on these weakest transducer. For example, for a system that has tweeters to be the least efficient, you will have to pull down the levels of all the other transducer to get a more balanced sound. There are those that have 8 subwoofers matched w/ a pair of passive fullrange speakers, this would sound tooooo bottom-heavy. The other way around, those that have 12 passive fullrange speakers w/ just a pair of subwoofer would sound tooooo thin, or lacks that bottom end. For a multi-amplified system, separate amp for high's, mid's, low's, etc. this balancing/matching is even more important. You also need an RTA (real-time analyser) for this :)

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2013, 05:08:44 PM »
Mga master.. Currently, i am using 2 18"RCF subs, 4 15" low-mid, 8" piezo tweeters.. napansin ko na mejo mahina ang sound nang boses and parang may kulang. anong size ng speaker ang pede ko idagdag para maenhance yung volume ng boses? should i go for additional 8", 10" or 12"?

Thanks,
Given that the 15" low-mids are indeed low-mids, plus the 18" subs, this means this system is more efficient on the lower frequencies and thus you have commanding bass :)
2 x 18" = 25.46inches total diameter
4 x 15" = 30inches total diameter
combine all these together you have 39.34inches total diameter :)

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Re: HELP! Speaker size and specs to increase mic's volume
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 11:53:55 PM »
Wow andameng response! nakakatuwa.. eto po ynug specs ng mga speakers ko:

1. 2x 18" subs, 1000w @ 8ohms each tuned at 140Hz
2. 4x 15" low-mids, 500w @ 8ohms each with flat eq setting. Freq response 40Hz to 3.5KHz; sensitivity 97dB
3. 8x Piezo Tweeter, 200w @ 8ohms each tuned at 3.5KHz up

Eto po kase yung nasa plan ko na setup. Paki assess naman po kung feasible or kung overkill:

Speakers:
1. 2x 18" subs, 1000w @ 8ohms each tuned at 140Hz
2. 4x 15" low-mids, 500w @ 8ohms each with flat eq setting. Freq response 40Hz to 3.5KHz; sensitivity 97dB
3. 8x 8" Mid-high, 300w @ 8ohms each with flat eq setting. Freq response 50Hz to 15KHz; sensitivity 93dB
4. 8x Piezo Tweeter, 200w @ 8ohms each tuned at 3.5KHz up

Processor:
1. DBX Crossover
2. DBX Equalizer 31band

Amps:
1. Magus 1200w @ 8ohms (one channel for the 18's and one channel for the 15's)
2. Konzert V12 1200w @ 8ohms (one channel for the 8's and another for monitors)
3. Soundpower 600w @ 8ohms( one channel for the tweeters).

Note: I will use series-parallel wiring for the 15's to achieve 8ohms load; same wiring for the 8's and tweeters to achieve 4ohms load.

Summary:
1. 18", 2000w @ 4ohms
2. 15", 2000w @ 8ohms
3. 8", 2400w @ 4ohms
4. Tweeter, 1600W @ 40hms

Ok po kaya o sablay??

Thanks!
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