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Title: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on August 23, 2007, 02:20:21 PM
Some say it's high art. I'd agree, yet i'd like to know what do you guys think on jazz being accessible to everyone?

I have met people who think jazz would only be for the few, the elite, and the 'cultured'; which is the reason why it isn't 'that' popular since. After all, they would say, you'll never have access to that type of music if one's  lifestyle and earning margin won't allow one to.

The unspoken thought would then be, if it becomes enjoyable to everyone, it ceases to be jazz. When the average tao listens and begins to appreciate Keith Jarret, then Jarret must have had lowered his sights.

Is it not possible for anybody, regardless of status to just genuinely appreciate the music?

From where i come from (geographically, that is) majority of the 'jazz-folks' think alike- that only they can appreciate it fully because it has to be that way. Which is downright, funny. Or is not funny after all?

My first exposure was 70s radio, where jazz (fusion, bop, standards) used to enjoy exposure, including commercial music beds.  No magazines, no internet.  I didn't even know it was jazz then. I just knew what i loved to listen to.

What do you guys think?







Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: brianb on August 23, 2007, 07:08:45 PM
"I never thought that the music called 'jazz' was ever meant to reach just a small group of people, or become a museum thing locked under glass like all other dead things that were once considered artistic."
 
-- Miles Davis
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Jim Ayson on August 23, 2007, 07:46:47 PM
I think it's possible. Back in the 80's, pop-jazz fusion was considered commercial.



Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on August 23, 2007, 07:53:06 PM
Perhaps half the problem is the stereotypical jazz musician's stance, which is hipper-than-thou. The typical jazz musician seems to feel something along the lines of, "eh, t_ngina kang d'masang pipol ka, di mo naman maiintindihan 'tong tinutugtog ko, eh; so why should i bother addressing you at all?".

Doon pa lang, mali na.

Music is music. Jazz, pop, hhhrrrhhhaaahhhkkk hhhehhhnnn hhhrrrhhhoolll, tutupank-tutufunk, kahit ano pa 'yan --- music is music.

And music is for all.

The essence of business is making a profit. The essence of music is sharing the bounty.

Music is for all.

Share the gift, share the love.

Whether D'Masang Pipol choose to partake of the gift is really up to them.

Pero ika nga ni Ogie, "andito ako, umiibig sa'yo...".

Share the gift, share the love.
c",)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: marzi on August 23, 2007, 08:32:18 PM

The essence of business is making a profit. The essence of music is sharing the bounty.

Music is for all.


so true.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on August 24, 2007, 04:48:22 AM
uulitin ko lng

MUSIC/ART IS FOR ALL

for rich, poor, young, old, black, white,yellow, brown, pink...etc. it unites people from all around the world, this is the language that each and everyone understands.

WORLD PEACE
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: frogfunk on August 24, 2007, 09:21:22 AM
B Perspective: So why is it that most listeners don't get to absorb and appreciate jazz? Are jazz musicians holding back their music to the public? Are they "unlearned" that's why they cannot appreciate it? Is it similar to children avoiding vegetables? What are the reason/factors preventing them to absorb and appreciate it?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on August 24, 2007, 11:01:29 AM
Clearly settled it is then, that it is never meant to be inaccessible.

Kasi, if not brought in light, such thoughts may even indirectly influence some stances, even that of fellow musicians. As Kosang Boga's coined term goes: Hipper-than-thou! (I just love you, man!  :-D)

Here's a story i posted somewhere, sometime.

A bassist friend of mine used to drive a taxi during months off and he had a passenger, a common guy who works in a farm. It was after milling season and it was a long drive, my friend put on Pat Metheny and as they travelled, the passenger commented.

"Pare, ano ba yang pinapatugtog mo?"

"ah, Sir, Pat Metheny po yan, bakit po papalitan ko po ba?"

"Hindi. Wag,  ang ganda nga. Hindi pa ako nakakarinig ng ganyang musika sa buong buhay ko ah! Pwede ba bilhin ko yang tape mo (read: tape :-D) mo? Sige na, kahit magkano benta mo bibilhin ko ngayon"

All that's needed perhaps, is more exposure? Outta sight, outta mind, wika nga.

sa B perspective ni Kosang Boyti (Frogfunk), a strong issue is raised there: When jazz musicians purposely hold back their music to the public, that's when the problem comes in. God forbid it, It's insulting to downsize the audience's ability to listen.

Whether we like it or not, media makes or breaks. 







Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: brianb on August 24, 2007, 11:01:57 AM
What are the reason/factors preventing them to absorb and appreciate it?

Lack of exposure, mostly. People generally like what they are familiar with. Rock and pop gets force-fed to them through the radio, commercials, MTV, etc ever day, so that's all they know.

That doesn't mean most people can't appreciate it when they hear it. My friends (non-musical) drop by, and if I'm playing jazz on the stereo they'll often comment on how they like what they hear. But I doubt any of them have ever bought a jazz CD for themselves.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: brianb on August 24, 2007, 11:13:09 AM
Here's a story i posted somewhere, sometime.

A bassist friend of mine used to drive a taxi during months off and he had a passenger, a common guy who works in a farm. It was after milling season and it was a long drive, my friend put on Pat Metheny and as they travelled, the passenger commented.

"Pare, ano ba yang pinapatugtog mo?"

"ah, Sir, Pat Metheny po yan, bakit po papalitan ko po ba?"

"Hindi. Wag,  ang ganda nga. Hindi pa ako nakakarinig ng ganyang musika sa buong buhay ko ah! Pwede ba bilhin ko yang tape mo (read: tape :-D) mo? Sige na, kahit magkano benta mo bibilhin ko ngayon"
Beautiful story.  :-)
Quote
Whether we like it or not, media makes or breaks. 

Now I feel guilty since the company I work for sells ringtones, and we always promote the most popular music for people to put on their phones.  :evil: Most of it is, well, crap. Least common denominator, ika nga. We watch the pop charts and promote the hell out of the properties we're selling.  :roll:
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: frogfunk on August 24, 2007, 11:23:15 AM
So kasalanan ulit ni media? Kasi we want the music shared but they won't since it's less likely to sell. What kind of people go to jazz bars? I hear a resounding echo: "Moneyed", "Yuppies", "Rich" people. Why? Balik na naman sa tanong na, "Bakit nga ba hindi pinapakinggan ng iba?" Begging the question... Rich - Poor issue na naman yata e. Ano kaya kung i-force feed na rin natin ang blues and jazz?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: kedysanchez on August 24, 2007, 12:06:18 PM
Perhaps half the problem is the stereotypical jazz musician's stance, which is hipper-than-thou. The typical jazz musician seems to feel something along the lines of, "eh, t_ngina kang d'masang pipol ka, di mo naman maiintindihan 'tong tinutugtog ko, eh; so why should i bother addressing you at all?".

Doon pa lang, mali na.

Music is music. Jazz, pop, hhhrrrhhhaaahhhkkk hhhehhhnnn hhhrrrhhhoolll, tutupank-tutufunk, kahit ano pa 'yan --- music is music.

And music is for all.

The essence of business is making a profit. The essence of music is sharing the bounty.

Music is for all.

Share the gift, share the love.

Whether D'Masang Pipol choose to partake of the gift is really up to them.

Pero ika nga ni Ogie, "andito ako, umiibig sa'yo...".

Share the gift, share the love.
c",)


Very articulately said. 
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on August 24, 2007, 02:29:42 PM
it's up to u people to improve the jazz scene in the philippines! do everything u can to: share the love! share your gifts! EMANCIPATE OUR PEOPLE! everybody has the right to learn and have access to it. cut the crab-mentality crap. be the change u want to see in the world...
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on August 24, 2007, 03:28:38 PM
Bro BrianB.  Oi, wag kang maguilty, hehehehe kambal ng pop yung marketing, kaya there's nothing wrong with that. :-D

Cguro ganun nga, sana kahit konting risk factor lang sa programming ng media for exposure. If not for the exposure, Flora Purim's ANGELS may not have made it to TVJ's Tough Hits..





Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: frogfunk on August 24, 2007, 03:43:41 PM
Hmmm... Ito ang mga nakikita ko:

1) Jazz and Blues Records - Kaunti lang ang albums pero meron. Kulang ang marketing, kaunti lang din ang record labels na gustong maglabas. Ang dahilan karaniwan na ay mahina ang kita sa pagbenta ng mga gayong uri ng musika.

2) Jazz and Blues Music Venues - Kaunti lang din pero meron. Ang tanong, bakit konti lang din ang naghahanap at nagpupunta?

3) Jazz and Blues Artists - Kaunti lang din pero meron. Ang tanong bakit kaunti lang din ang nakakakilala?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Lahed92801 on August 24, 2007, 07:29:13 PM
I remember when we were playing some jazz at a show sa school... People started leaving - THE MOMENT THE WORD "JAZZ" came out of the emcee's mouth. During a break in the set i asked some of my batchmates why they left. "Pang high-end lang yan" (ironic for an Atenean who is richer than me pa to say  :roll:) some said "Pang matanda yan" and others "I won't understand that kind of music" and others "Jazz? Yung pinapakinggan ng parents ko?"
It's all these stereotypes.

Then we played "Blue bossa", people started coming back going "Ang sarap nito sa ears pare!" "what's this! ang lupet!"  :roll:
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: psychic_sushi on August 25, 2007, 01:30:22 AM
very nice thread  :-)

i recall deacon_blues posing the question to me in the past-

then what happens when jazz becomes pop? ( i'm hinting at willie revillame proportions!)

your labandera does your clothes while humming "bright size life"...

eat bulaga's main theme is converted to swing...

the neighbourhood bums gather on the street corner at night, drunk, with their beat up lumanog acoustic, taking turns playing "countdown", "yardbird suite" and then night in tunisia" over kung fu sioktong 

your neighbors parrot whistles "giant steps" (yari nahhh!!!)


ok, it sounds absurd at first. but when i think about it deeper, in a world where jazz is pop... either human consciousness is raised, or we be cool being outlaws jammin over boom "tarat tarat as a standard  :wink:"

the complexity of the art does entail some ear tweaking. as with food, its hard to turn your neighbour onto fusion cuisine. but as with good food, one bite and your hooked  :wink:

spread the word!
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on August 25, 2007, 04:30:08 PM
yun spread the word nga! Well, we may not win them all, but..yeah we'll have to grab whom we can. hehehehe  :-D


the neighbourhood bums gather on the street corner at night, drunk, with their beat up lumanog acoustic, taking turns playing "countdown", "yardbird suite" and then night in tunisia" over kung fu sioktong 


Don't forget an extra odd meter at the end of the verses (di ba kadalasan me sobra/ kulang na bilang ano?  :-D :-D)

I'd hope it's indeed brought about by raised consciousness.  :-D






Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on August 25, 2007, 04:41:15 PM
very nice thread  :-)

i recall deacon_blues posing the question to me in the past-

then what happens when jazz becomes pop? ( i'm hinting at willie revillame proportions!)

your labandera does your clothes while humming "bright size life"...

eat bulaga's main theme is converted to swing...

the neighbourhood bums gather on the street corner at night, drunk, with their beat up lumanog acoustic, taking turns playing "countdown", "yardbird suite" and then night in tunisia" over kung fu sioktong 

your neighbors parrot whistles "giant steps" (yari nahhh!!!)


ok, it sounds absurd at first. but when i think about it deeper, in a world where jazz is pop... either human consciousness is raised, or we be cool being outlaws jammin over boom "tarat tarat as a standard  :wink:"

the complexity of the art does entail some ear tweaking. as with food, its hard to turn your neighbour onto fusion cuisine. but as with good food, one bite and your hooked  :wink:

spread the word!


I once penned a short story whose premise was similar to this.

'Twas about a present-day bebop guitarist who got hit on the head and went back in time. He met a pre-teen Chuck Berry, when Chuck was just beginning to play the guitar, and influenced the hell outta Chuck.

Then when the story's protagonist came back to his own era, jazz was the popular music and pop music was the hip, underground thing.

Keith Jarrett was played on Love Radio 24/7 and Justin Timberlake played at Freedom Bar every Monday to an audience of 3 people (2 of whom were fellow stalwart pop devotees).

 :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on August 25, 2007, 04:46:37 PM
Oh, and...

... if you love the music then come to the gigs.

I speak from 20 years of personal experience when i say that the jazz musician is a dying breed. An endangered species.

Blink and we'll all be gone.

But what the f_ck... we keep on killing the planet, who gives a f_ck about some jazz musicians anyway.

Andito kami,

umiibig sa inyo.

Dinig na bang

nagdurugo ang puso

Kung sakaling

ganahan ka pa

Andito ako.

With apologies to Ogie.
c",)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: CYANIDE BOMB on August 26, 2007, 08:35:35 AM

 Nakakataw sbi ng kaibigan k " kaya d sumisikat jazz dto sa pinas kulang sila s pirated n cd's n kumakalat"

               In my opinion jazz is u the person within, the heart that translates the notes to emotions and thoughts. There was a time that jazz was a big thing but things go around maybe one day those days will return.

          Many ppl are avoiding jazz due to its stigma of technicality and depth that its too much too handle
and analyze. Jazz musicians are a dying breed here due to lack of perserverance to scrutinize its structure the dedication u put to understanding and playing it like the words of my friend " HIRAP TOL AYOKO N MAG ARAL NG JAZZ SOBRA LALIM SK DAMI KAILANGAN INTINDIHIN SK ALA TAB N MABILI" and to all that play's and are student of jazz my hats are off to you, my admiration goes to you for giving us music that we only listen in cd's
 
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Bammbamm on August 26, 2007, 11:39:05 AM
  "If its an art, its not for everybody"   - sino bang lintek ang nag quote netoh?  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on August 26, 2007, 03:08:25 PM
Nakakataw sbi ng kaibigan k " kaya d sumisikat jazz dto sa pinas kulang sila s pirated n cd's n kumakalat"

               In my opinion jazz is u the person within, the heart that translates the notes to emotions and thoughts. There was a time that jazz was a big thing but things go around maybe one day those days will return.

          Many ppl are avoiding jazz due to its stigma of technicality and depth that its too much too handle
and analyze. Jazz musicians are a dying breed here due to lack of perserverance to scrutinize its structure the dedication u put to understanding and playing it like the words of my friend " HIRAP TOL AYOKO N MAG ARAL NG JAZZ SOBRA LALIM SK DAMI KAILANGAN INTINDIHIN SK ALA TAB N MABILI" and to all that play's and are student of jazz my hats are off to you, my admiration goes to you for giving us music that we only listen in cd's
 

Mawalang galang na po ngunit maaari po bang iwasan natin ang text spelling?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: CYANIDE BOMB on August 27, 2007, 10:15:09 AM
sorry sir aya pasyensya po
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on August 28, 2007, 09:08:06 AM
Ayun!

Korek , kosang boga. If they love the music, at least support the musicians doing gigs.

At sana, sana...iwasan na rin yung mentalidad na 'first-in-the-bandwagon' (e.g., I was into SRV/Pass/Revillame/Arroyo before you guys)

I know there's something great being identified with the  'subversive', the underground, the raw but these talents have to be heard. Hindi naman maling dumami ang nanonood at tumatangkilik sa mga musiko, di ba?

As long as the cats still s_it, we'll have to hang on to catch their s_it.

But frankly, if Justin would be underground?





I'd say, let him stay there.  :-D



OT: remember his youtube clip with Greg Howe?  :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on September 01, 2007, 03:19:03 AM
Hmmm... Ito ang mga nakikita ko:

1) Jazz and Blues Records - Kaunti lang ang albums pero meron. Kulang ang marketing, kaunti lang din ang record labels na gustong maglabas. Ang dahilan karaniwan na ay mahina ang kita sa pagbenta ng mga gayong uri ng musika.

2) Jazz and Blues Music Venues - Kaunti lang din pero meron. Ang tanong, bakit konti lang din ang naghahanap at nagpupunta?

3) Jazz and Blues Artists - Kaunti lang din pero meron. Ang tanong bakit kaunti lang din ang nakakakilala?

nkabili ko sa greenbelt dati, lumang album ni george benson, chet baker ska mga african and brazilian music pero hindi ko pa masyado alam jazz nun :-D

ang hindi ko talaga mahanap dati jazz jam session for beginners :lol:
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jazhombie on September 01, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
Basta ako mkknig nlng mhrap intimdhin tlga ang jazz.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: foom on September 01, 2007, 10:44:16 PM
ang musika, gaya ng iba pang sining, ay (dapat) para sa lahat, subalit maaaring hindi maintindihan ng lahat.  ang kagandahan ng isang likhang-sining ay hindi lamang nasa likha kundi nasa paraan o proseso rin ng paglikha.
may mga taong nagagandahan sa likha lamang at mayroon ding nahuhumaling sa proseso ng pahlikha.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on September 02, 2007, 07:13:32 AM
ang musika, gaya ng iba pang sining, ay (dapat) para sa lahat, subalit maaaring hindi maintindihan ng lahat.  ang kagandahan ng isang likhang-sining ay hindi lamang nasa likha kundi nasa paraan o proseso rin ng paglikha.
may mga taong nagagandahan sa likha lamang at mayroon ding nahuhumaling sa proseso ng pahlikha.

parang naalala ko yata ung pagbabasa ko ng mga filipino books ko nung high skul hehehe 8-) :lol:peace bro!
TANGKILIKIN ANG SINING
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on September 02, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
Dapat talagang tangkilikin ang sining dahil ito ay tunay na salamangka.

The act of creation is remembering the Godhood within.
c",)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 11:10:21 PM
Jazz is good. People just have to listen. They're afraid they'll LOOK corny or FIND jazz corny. When i let my friends listen to some of my fusion tunes they were hooked instantly. Led them to listen to straight ahead jazz and they loved it.  :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2007, 11:12:18 PM
Jazz is good. People just have to listen. They're afraid they'll LOOK corny or FIND jazz corny. When i let my friends listen to some of my fusion tunes they were hooked instantly. Led them to listen to straight ahead jazz and they loved it.  :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on September 05, 2007, 08:51:50 AM
 :-D

What more can we say?

'Nuff said - JAZZ IS GOOD.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jazhombie on September 05, 2007, 11:04:18 AM
:-D

What more can we say?

'Nuff said - JAZZ IS GOOD.
good is jazz...
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: Lahed92801 on September 05, 2007, 01:53:54 PM
good is jazz...

therfore all good = jazz?  :?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jazzhole04 on October 04, 2007, 07:07:52 PM
OT

@ Aya Yuson

sir alam nyo po ba san mga gigs ng BAT PROJECT tsaka ng BRASS MUNKEYS?
wala kong makita sa net e.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on October 05, 2007, 10:51:13 AM
Yung BAT Project, parang pahinga 'ata muna. Di pa bumabalik si Koko galing Tibet, eh. Tinuturuan daw niya mag-swing yung mga monk sa Tibet. May finger snap on 2 & 4 na yung mga chant nila.

Huling nabanggit sa 'kin ni Tots, may mga katogs daw silang dalawa ni Koyang na mga bagets. Took two people daw to replace one Koko at ganunpama'y medyo bitin pa rin daw in comparison. Ewan.

'Yung Brass Munkeys nama'y wala po akong ka-alam-alam sa kanila't sa iskaydule nila.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jazzhole04 on October 05, 2007, 02:36:44 PM
Yung BAT Project, parang pahinga 'ata muna. Di pa bumabalik si Koko galing Tibet, eh. Tinuturuan daw niya mag-swing yung mga monk sa Tibet. May finger snap on 2 & 4 na yung mga chant nila.

Huling nabanggit sa 'kin ni Tots, may mga katogs daw silang dalawa ni Koyang na mga bagets. Took two people daw to replace one Koko at ganunpama'y medyo bitin pa rin daw on comparison. Ewan.

'Yung  Brass Munkeys nama'y wala po akong ka-alam-alam sa kanila't sa iskaydule nila.

tnx sir! hope maka jam ka ulit SINOSIKAT?
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: purplehaze on October 05, 2007, 04:41:42 PM
OT

@ Aya Yuson

sir alam nyo po ba san mga gigs ng BAT PROJECT tsaka ng BRASS MUNKEYS?
wala kong makita sa net e.

Brass Munkeys will play at the Penguin Gallery October 20, 2007 10:30 PM. They play once a month. Penguin Gallery is located at 604 Remedios St, Malate Manila
near the Remedios Circle..
Siguro this is the only place that they play regularly. For schedule of different bands playing please check out -->> www.rockolacafe.blogspot.com

Unfortunately kukunti nalang ang mga establishment/bars na nagsusuport sa real at tunay na 'alternative' music (hindi yung 'alternative rock or whatever) Kalimitin hindi rin ito sinusuportahan ng mga nanunuod. They would rather listen and see bands that play the music that you hear on the radio..
While a lot of people are discussing the hows and the whys of the local art scene, very very few people really watch the live music, specially jazz music. Puro na lang plano (i will watch or sayang hindi ako nakapunta, maraming ginagawa kasi ...etc etc) . Most of the time, halos wala talagang nanunuod.. And then pag wala na.. people will ask what..... tsk tsk...

 
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on October 05, 2007, 05:23:50 PM

Unfortunately kukunti nalang ang mga establishment/bars na nagsusuport sa real at tunay na 'alternative' music (hindi yung 'alternative rock or whatever) Kalimitin hindi rin ito sinusuportahan ng mga nanunuod. They would rather listen and see bands that play the music that you hear on the radio..
While a lot of people are discussing the hows and the whys of the local art scene, very very few people really watch the live music, specially jazz music. Puro na lang plano (i will watch or sayang hindi ako nakapunta, maraming ginagawa kasi ...etc etc) . Most of the time, halos wala talagang nanunuod.. And then pag wala na.. people will ask what..... tsk tsk...

 


This is sad, but true sir. It's one thing to read about such on threads like this. It's one thing to see it before your eyes.

We do 70s fusion, some Rock (Toto, Dan, Loggins, Sting, etc.), Old School rNb and Acidjazz. 

We've played for two tables because bars expect us to do most of the legwork. Yes, nag iinvite kami but the very reasons are the same as the ones listed on the prior post.

Owners want sales in the name of ROI and they couldn't care less if you play relevant music as long as the orders pour in. And when the sales fall, you get your future skeds postponed indefinitely.  You'll never be able to build a following, or even your presence felt in the community.

And it's funny beacause later on the people ask if buo pa yung banda. Ba't wala na raw naririnig na gigskeds?

Its so sad that you 'd find it funny at the same time.

Happy weekend folks.

Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: aya_yuson on October 05, 2007, 05:32:52 PM
As it has always been, as it shall always be, Nancy Brew.

Art is never for all. And if it's for all, 't'ain't art.

But you know what? When you do it for the right reasons --- when Music itself is its own reward --- you will be taken care of.

Find your diamond, hone it tirelessly, and the Universe conspires.

Even now, when my hands haven't been performing as they've been trained to, i know this to be true. Even now --- when i hear the notes oh-so-clearly, feel the spirit filling every fiber, but am saddled with a spinal injury which leaves me with almost no tactile sensation in my hands and greatly lessened digital dexterity --- even now i would stake my life on my faith that this is true.

When your soul sings The Song, The Universe conspires.

And nothing can ever stand in its way.

Love is the absence of fear. Fear none, love all.

Keep the faith.
c",)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 07, 2007, 04:03:29 AM
Well for me jazz is always adaptable.

when I was in elementary I use to listen to rock, pop, opm and even "boy bands" for crying out loud. hehehe Well as time went by. during my high school years I listen to Rock, progressive, metal, punk, pop, fussion, electronica, techno, trance, etch.but no boy bands...hehehe The most intruiging part during my high school years was fussion because when I first heard it its really wierd. I'm a drummer and I love new beats and complicated shuffles and beats. Fussion is very complex cause its a combination of jazz theories and rock sound. During those time's I wanna know what the roots of fussion music are so i researched alot and at the same time I knew alot of jazz drummers. I starter listening to john mclaughin not because of jazz but because of how dennis chambers do the drum beats. then shifted to chick corea because of dave weckle then another band to another until I adopt the jazz environment and I did'nt realize that I already like listening to george benson, louie armstrong, woudoji, braxton bros. even kenny g and I like it. I'm even addicted to it. During College I was addicted to progressive and jazz and right now I'm working I'm stuck with jazz...

hahaha What am I trying to say here...

Jazz is a culture you can adopt. It's a life style. It takes time for us to appreciate this kind of music. Yes jazz is stereo typically for elite, sophisticated and cultured people but I dont think it is. Every one can listen and appreciate this music as long as you want to adopt to it.


hehehe JAzZ On!!! FunKY JuAN!!

Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on October 07, 2007, 08:20:19 PM
As it has always been, as it shall always be, Nancy Brew.

Art is never for all. And if it's for all, 't'ain't art.

But you know what? When you do it for the right reasons --- when Music itself is its own reward --- you will be taken care of.

Find your diamond, hone it tirelessly, and the Universe conspires.

Even now, when my hands haven't been performing as they've been trained to, i know this to be true. Even now --- when i hear the notes oh-so-clearly, feel the spirit filling every fiber, but am saddled with a spinal injury which leaves me with almost no tactile sensation in my hands and greatly lessened digital dexterity --- even now i would stake my life on my faith that this is true.

When your soul sings The Song, The Universe conspires.

And nothing can ever stand in its way.

Love is the absence of fear. Fear none, love all.

Keep the faith.
c",)

Thanks bogs.

It wears one down at times, yet we just have to keep pushing, despite the odds.

Indeed, the reward is in the creation itself.  Whatever comes as consequence, be it a break or a few filled souls, are but bonuses. It is what drove the countless hours of gigging in empty bars, and it will still be the force that keeps us in check why we do what we do.

You've reminded me of the book i read years back, THE ARTIST's WAY.

Jump, and the net will appear.  Take a step and the universe steps with you.

Sing, and the universe truly conspires.


Tuloy ang togs.  :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: rjtorres on October 08, 2007, 11:43:51 AM
Thanks bogs.

It wears one down at times, yet we just have to keep pushing, despite the odds.

Indeed, the reward is in the creation itself.  Whatever comes as consequence, be it a break or a few filled souls, are but bonuses. It is what drove the countless hours of gigging for a empty bars, and it will still be the force that keeps us in check why we do what we do.

You've reminded me of the book i read years back, THE ARTIST's WAY.

Jump, and the net will appear.  Take a step and the universe steps with you.

Sing, and the universe truly conspires.


Tuloy ang togs.  :-D

Inspiring. Wala lang, i just have to say it. Very Inspiring.  :-)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on October 20, 2007, 05:32:24 PM
Sa mayayaman lang ba accessible a jazz? Specially in 3rd world countries like the Philippines.
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: jeff_proX40 on October 21, 2007, 01:07:18 AM
Di naman ako mayaman pero I listen and play jazz??? hehehe well jazz is for all of us... hehehe
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on October 21, 2007, 07:53:44 PM
oi . buhay ulet a.

It's inevitable, dahil of the rarity of material that's why you have ot have extra resource to afford albums, etc.

Just a thought, any of you guys remember or would care to take on the following points?

1. Miles was always mentioning about his search for the 'street' sound in his musicians, and;

2. Chick (Corea) was also thrusting towards the accesibility of his music which was the reason for forming CIRCLE after RTF.

Gandang gabi pow.  :-)
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: william251082 on October 21, 2007, 09:26:46 PM
kung mahirap ako syempre uunahin ko muna pambili ng pagkain ko kesa makining sa jazz... :|
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: nancy brew on October 22, 2007, 08:48:58 AM
kung mahirap ako syempre uunahin ko muna pambili ng pagkain ko kesa makining sa jazz... :|

mismo. heheheheee..jazz o ulcer?  :-D
Title: Re: Accessibility of the art form
Post by: rjtorres on October 22, 2007, 02:21:16 PM
mismo. heheheheee..jazz o ulcer?  :-D

Umm.. jazz? Ayaw ko magka-ulcer.  :-D :roll: :wink: