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Title: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 21, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
I previously asserted serious figures (for the longest time) for what I thought were magical guitars in a given batch of certain guitar brands: Giving Fender 5%, Gibson 1%, PRS less than 1%, Suhr at 10%, Ibanez probably at less than .000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
But recently I found this article in Guitar player. I lifted this article from a guitar player article dated May 31, 2018:
"When Smith sat down to talk to avowed Strat Cat Mayer, they discussed what, in their minds, was a conundrum: You can play 100 Strats and only two are magical. So Smith set about looking at every last detail that goes into a transcendent guitar, and he made sure he got those details right."
What this basically means is most likely you have a dud of a guitar... LOL. If you are not rejecting electric solid body guitars at close to a 90-95%, you probably do.
So what's my point here: Stop buying guitars if you don't know what a magical 2% sounds. You don't need to engage in further GAS. You got along fine with what you have so can you get along FINE with what you NOW have further in the future.
OR You can buy a PRS John Mayer ... BWA HAH HAH
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 22, 2018, 12:13:34 AM
What this basically means is most likely you have a dud of a guitar... LOL. If you are not rejecting electric solid body guitars at close to a 90-95%, you probably do.
For sure the other 98% of guitars that are not part of the 2% magical group are not all duds. "Magical" is already a unicorn superlative. The ones below the magical line have different grades like, excellent, great sounding, decent, average, then the bad ones.
And for some people, Great to decent is enough. They just need workhorse guitars that can take the beating and still sound good night after night. You don't need to always aim for the "magical".
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 22, 2018, 04:50:39 AM
For sure the other 98% of guitars that are not part of the 2% magical group are not all duds. "Magical" is already a unicorn superlative. The ones below the magical line have different grades like, excellent, great sounding, decent, average, then the bad ones.
And for some people, Great to decent is enough. They just need workhorse guitars that can take the beating and still sound good night after night. You don't need to always aim for the "magical".
And here is the kicker, for the same amount of money you spend on a certain guitar; why can't the manufacturer instead produce 98% magical guitars and 2% duds of that same model that you are buying?
Thats funny because last I checked; I had about 40 unicorns in the house. Because a great majority, rate their guitar GREAT today but provide a RFS for tomorrow.
I think my message is simple, get a great sounding "magical" workhorse not to make it easier to take a beating but to make night after night magical for you.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on June 23, 2018, 10:01:18 AM
I want a unicorn :cute:
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 23, 2018, 01:46:10 PM
do you have a solid data about that 2%? or that is just your own assumption?
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 23, 2018, 01:48:02 PM
For sure the other 98% of guitars that are not part of the 2% magical group are not all duds. "Magical" is already a unicorn superlative. The ones below the magical line have different grades like, excellent, great sounding, decent, average, then the bad ones.
And for some people, Great to decent is enough. They just need workhorse guitars that can take the beating and still sound good night after night. You don't need to always aim for the "magical".
imagine having a singer who can just copy many famous voices, and even churn out himself wonderful original songs himself.
think of a guitar that's like a better version of arnel pineda.
and you can sound great ( and do many sounds ) with just a good amp and a few sets of pedals. ganun ang magandang gitara.
yung ibang akala ng tao nasa amp nang gagaling, or sa effects nang gagaling, nasa gitara pala...
mas valid ang mga ganitong info if old old players sa pinas can share their years with their old guitars, but karamihan ng old players and collectors sa pinas do not like technology. they have their own world. so you dont see them online.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: analog.matt on June 23, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
Eto yung video ni John Mayer where he said the magic thing. both He and PRS agree.
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Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: guitaricci on June 23, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
I think yung Ibanez Destroyer ni EVH from the 1st Van Halen Album ay kasama dun sa magical less than 0.01% of Ibanez. Hehe
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 23, 2018, 07:50:37 PM
imagine having a singer who can just copy many famous voices, and even churn out himself wonderful original songs himself.
think of a guitar that's like a better version of arnel pineda.
and you can sound great ( and do many sounds ) with just a good amp and a few sets of pedals. ganun ang magandang gitara.
yung ibang akala ng tao nasa amp nang gagaling, or sa effects nang gagaling, nasa gitara pala...
mas valid ang mga ganitong info if old old players sa pinas can share their years with their old guitars, but karamihan ng old players and collectors sa pinas do not like technology. they have their own world. so you dont see them online.
record? you mean j. mayer and prs' opinion which clearly is a marketing strategy. well, that's brilliant. and i do not hear any mention of the data or formula that the 2% is derived from.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: analog.matt on June 23, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
reminds me of my old neighbors.
everyone saw the robber climb up the tree and jump into the window....
and went out with their TV set...
house owner arrived....
the police arrived...
people told the house owner and the police that the robber entered the house via the tree...
house owner asked for DATA....
saan daw statistics na ginagamit ng magnanakaw ang puno para makapasok sa bahay
lol
iba talaga sa pinas...
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 23, 2018, 09:16:44 PM
record? you mean j. mayer and prs' opinion which clearly is a marketing strategy. well, that's brilliant. and i do not hear any mention of the data or formula that the 2% is derived from.
Thats not marketing...I was talking to PRS' production manager and was telling him off about how above average the solid body sounds and telling him that I lament that there was rarely a magical guitar. I was pointing out that I found this pre-1993 killer sounding Custom 24. I thought he did not understand. He told me that he does and he has been with the current factory since it opened.
According to him, solid body production is so down pat because of Paul's tweaks to the manufacturing process. They can guarantee about 95% of all guitars to be above average sounding guitars and a few duds. But they would not sacrifice 99 production guitars to be below average to produce just one killer sounding guitar.
As a sign that he understood, he compared it to where PRS acoustic production is. Since its relatively new for PRS to produce acoustic guitars, everytime they just rolled off the line a beautiful /exceptionally magical PRS acoustic, Paul would have the line stopped and have everybody come over to examine that specific guitar.
By the way, I have no marketing strategy because my GUITARS are NOT FOR SALE. The last time I had a fire sale was back in the mid 1990s. Though on occasion, I have been tempted -- offered to be purchased -- by friends; I promptly bought back my guitars. Out of my 40 USA MADE GUITARS, I only have one PRS.
I have about 5 Jacksons, 6 Gibsons, 3 Bakers, 4 Music Men, 6 Fenders, 1 BC Rich, 3 Suhrs, 1 Asher, 1 Mike Lull, 1 Washburn N4, 1 EVH, 1 McGuire, etc. All Made in the USA. Basically, I have no favorites to promote.
What I do have to promote in contrast to so called advertising by guitar manufacturers IS that they produce more bad sounding guitars than good sounding ones. So as guitar buyers, be aware AND try at least 50-100 of the same guitar model. For example, my Ernie Ball JP15 which I bought last year in Tokyo, was so much of an effort to choose. I actually had to go around at least 10 guitar shops in Tokyo and try out around 30 Ernie Ball John Petrucci guitars ALL MADE IN THE USA to pick the best one. Buti na lang mayaman ang Tokyo dahil kaya nila magparating nga maraming inventory ng bawat modelo ng gitara.
Pati Washburn N4, pinagpilian ko ay anim in the same store!!! 2 standard, 2 vintage at 2 authentic na lahat alder. Tapos may dalawang pang ash body na N4. So thats a total of 8 guitars in one session.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 24, 2018, 07:28:43 AM
I think yung Ibanez Destroyer ni EVH from the 1st Van Halen Album ay kasama dun sa magical less than 0.01% of Ibanez. Hehe
Not anymore after he tore out a chunk from it....
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: qwi on June 28, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
per my understanding, shoegaze is referring to the commercial interest of Mayer/PRS to sell their guitars not yours firemodel.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: nicoyow on June 28, 2018, 09:06:35 PM
Does it matter if the guitar you're using for numerous gigs isn't magical? I mean, why it has to be? Will it make you a better person if you own a Baker? Will it give you the wisdom to write epic songs like Queen or Beatles? I'm not taking sides nor defending myself because I don't have Overpriced boutique guitars like some of the guys here in PM. I really don't mind.
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on June 28, 2018, 11:00:31 PM
Does it matter if the guitar you're using for numerous gigs isn't magical? I mean, why it has to be? Will it make you a better person if you own a Baker? Will it give you the wisdom to write epic songs like Queen or Beatles? I'm not taking sides nor defending myself because I don't have Overpriced boutique guitars like some of the guys here in PM. I really don't mind.
:mrgreen:
I dig.
All those songs written on run of the mill parlor guitars, pawn shop blackie assembled strats, RL Burnside voodoo grease tones. John Lee, Mance, Robert Johnson, Neil Young’s ol Black is EPIC feedback Dead Man style. I could go on. I love them all.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 29, 2018, 06:13:51 AM
Does it matter if the guitar you're using for numerous gigs isn't magical? I mean, why it has to be? Will it make you a better person if you own a Baker? Will it give you the wisdom to write epic songs like Queen or Beatles? I'm not taking sides nor defending myself because I don't have Overpriced boutique guitars like some of the guys here in PM. I really don't mind.
:mrgreen:
Ang isyu ay mga patay na gitara ng binibili natin at kung bakit hindi maka step up ang gumagawa. Kung songwriting alam naman natin na pwede ka gumamit ng keyboard para gumawa ng magandang kanta. So again, do not deviate from the topic.
And to answer the question: Yes because gigs will be easier and it will sound better. Since mas expressive ang instrument, mas madali lumabas ang pagka musikero mo. It has to be because thats the excitement in buying a solid body electric guitar. Take note its less exciting to buy drums or keyboards.
Not all boutique guitars are overpriced but I can tell you that there are more dead and bad sounding non-boutique guitars than there are boutique guitars floating around for your purchase.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 29, 2018, 06:15:46 AM
All those songs written on run of the mill parlor guitars, pawn shop blackie assembled strats, RL Burnside voodoo grease tones. John Lee, Mance, Robert Johnson, Neil Young’s ol Black is EPIC feedback Dead Man style. I could go on. I love them all.
Mukhang mas maraming kanta ata ang ginawa sa magandang tunog na Gibson Les Paul Standard na gawa noong 1957-1960. Just saying... Only a Gibson was Good Enough.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 29, 2018, 06:36:23 AM
per my understanding, shoegaze is referring to the commercial interest of Mayer/PRS to sell their guitars not yours firemodel.
Even then LAHAT ba ng marketing strategy at commercial interest ay ang basehan kasinungalingan? At paano niyo alam na hindi totoo ang 2% na sinasabi nila? Naka subok ka na ba ng isang daan na USA made na Strat sa buong buhay mo to say na hindi totoo ang 2%? Ako nakasubok na at mas generous pa ako sa 5% na grado ko sa Fender. But I admit that if I reach a 300 sample, baka mag-iba ang grado ko.
Ako, masasabi ko na sa inyo ngayon na I don't think 100% ng silver sky ay magiging maganda but I am HOPING its better than 2% because they realized it and made in public. This holds them to a higher standard now. So, if they don't better; mapaphiya sila.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 29, 2018, 06:39:03 AM
I think Matt's point is that its as simple as listening and trying more than 100 made in the USA Fenders. Walang formula na kailangan --- kasi naghahanap ka ng forumla.
Maski na ba may data silang ipakita sa table, hindi ka naman rin maniniwala dahil hindi ka pa naka subok ng higit sa isang daan na USA made Fender Stratocaster. I really don't expect you to do that though if you have the time and money; its a worthwhile experience.
So, at this point, you just have to take it from the experts or from those who are more 'exposed'. I am NOT saying that you should buy a Silver sky.
What I am SAYING is that dapat maging mas mainggat kayo bumili ng electric guitars kasi 98% ng makikita niyo ay panget ang tunog.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 29, 2018, 10:32:39 AM
senyor firemodel, you talked about specific percentage, and in this case a whole 2%. when people read this, of course, we want to know where you get this data. we want to know where you acquired an accurate statistical data from this 2%. you said you talked with folks from prs. ok, that is good, but what about folks from gibson? fender? and other manufacturers? etc...etc...
just because you have "magical" guitars in your stablel, you assume that 2%. have you tried all the guitars manufactured in the world by all manufacturers for the last 30 years? have you done that to back up your 2% claim. that is my question. yes, i do believe there are "magical" guitars. some are so magical that rabbits pop out of a hat or the statue of liberty will disappear every time you play that guitar. you claim to own some magical guitars , well that's good. keep telling yourself that. but to tell you frankly, a huge percentage (just the word huge, not a specific number coz i do not have the statistical data to back it up) of people in this forum d-o-e-s n-o-t c-a-re.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 29, 2018, 10:34:52 AM
I think Matt's point is that its as simple as listening and trying more than 100 made in the USA Fenders. Walang formula na kailangan --- kasi naghahanap ka ng forumla.
Maski na ba may data silang ipakita sa table, hindi ka naman rin maniniwala dahil hindi ka pa naka subok ng higit sa isang daan na USA made Fender Stratocaster. I really don't expect you to do that though if you have the time and money; its a worthwhile experience.
So, at this point, you just have to take it from the experts or from those who are more 'exposed'. I am NOT saying that you should buy a Silver sky.
What I am SAYING is that dapat maging mas mainggat kayo bumili ng electric guitars kasi 98% ng makikita niyo ay panget ang tunog.
his analogy missed the mark by a mile.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: gandydancer123 on June 29, 2018, 10:49:57 AM
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Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on June 29, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Mukhang mas maraming kanta ata ang ginawa sa magandang tunog na Gibson Les Paul Standard na gawa noong 1957-1960. Just saying... Only a Gibson was Good Enough.
That's too wide of a summary saying most hits from the golden age of music was done on a Gibson. Steve Cropper on a plank of wood comes to mind.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 29, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
senyor firemodel, you talked about specific percentage, and in this case a whole 2%. when people read this, of course, we want to know where you get this data. we want to know where you acquired an accurate statistical data from this 2%. you said you talked with folks from prs. ok, that is good, but what about folks from gibson? fender? and other manufacturers? etc...etc...
just because you have "magical" guitars in your stablel, you assume that 2%. have you tried all the guitars manufactured in the world by all manufacturers for the last 30 years? have you done that to back up your 2% claim. that is my question. yes, i do believe there are "magical" guitars. some are so magical that rabbits pop out of a hat or the statue of liberty will disappear every time you play that guitar. you claim to own some magical guitars , well that's good. keep telling yourself that. but to tell you frankly, a huge percentage (just the word huge, not a specific number coz i do not have the statistical data to back it up) of people in this forum d-o-e-s n-o-t c-a-re.
My data is acquired from experience and exposure. Thats why I say, I will tell you when try 100 Made in USA Fenders. In the meantime, I am short cutting the process for you.
I have to give you a ball park figure for magical guitars right? As I said, for Fenders its 5% for me. John and Paul have lower estimates. On the extreme is Gibson with about 1% and the other extreme is Suhr at around 10% -- yes I am surprised by Suhr because they seem to be getting their numbers up.
I do not mean magical to be rabbits and circus. For me, the magic is that a guitar encourages deeper levels of expression and delight when you play it.
You claim a majority don't care -- yet majority turn over their guitars like so on this forum. Ito pa ang kakatawa -- mamaya makikita mo sila with the same type of guitar kung may pera na uli. Di ba on tonequest sila at least a majority of the time?
I have nothing to gain and I am NOT selling any of my guitars. So really, its just fair warning for all. With the way you ask your questions, it gives me an impression that you still have not found any magical guitar. Thats cool because it takes time to learn it. I was also stuck with Ibanez and ESP signatures back in the day. Up to this day, I am hoping to find a magical Ibanez guitar --- wala talaga suspetsa ko panget talaga kahoy nila. Sana nga kung minsan kasing suwerte ako ni Steve Vai na nakahanap siya ng FLO at EVO.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on June 29, 2018, 10:44:47 PM
Just to clarify: I was saying that MORE hits were made on a Golden Age Les Paul Standard with Humbuckers
That’s seems odd but even though I like les pauls. They were pricy to begin with hence artists tend to go to the other camp. When Zimmy went electric it was all Fender.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 30, 2018, 06:38:15 AM
That’s seems odd but even though I like les pauls. They were pricy to begin with hence artists tend to go to the other camp. When Zimmy went electric it was all Fender.
Well... Beat it (except for the solo) and Rosanna are recorded on bursts. Don't know how you can top that.
Money for Nothing is burst all the way. A lot of the newer metallica stuff are done on the burst specially on Hardwired.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on June 30, 2018, 08:09:19 AM
Well... Beat it (except for the solo) and Rosanna are recorded on bursts. Don't know how you can top that.
Money for Nothing is burst all the way. A lot of the newer metallica stuff are done on the burst specially on Hardwired.
We can do this all day song for song back and forth from hitsville to present but I gotta take my son out swimming now so that's that. Still pretty wide summary and over generalization.
Somewhere there is data that needs to be collected on your argument.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on June 30, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
We can do this all day song for song back and forth from hitsville to present but I gotta take my son out swimming now so that's that. Still pretty wide summary and over generalization.
Somewhere there is data that needs to be collected on your argument.
No need. Go out and try out 100 USA made Fenders. Unless you cannot hear it; then you need a database.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on June 30, 2018, 08:55:33 AM
I still want a unicorn :cute:
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: shoegaze geezer on June 30, 2018, 10:55:50 AM
My data is acquired from experience and exposure. Thats why I say, I will tell you when try 100 Made in USA Fenders. In the meantime, I am short cutting the process for you.
I have to give you a ball park figure for magical guitars right? As I said, for Fenders its 5% for me. John and Paul have lower estimates. On the extreme is Gibson with about 1% and the other extreme is Suhr at around 10% -- yes I am surprised by Suhr because they seem to be getting their numbers up.
I do not mean magical to be rabbits and circus. For me, the magic is that a guitar encourages deeper levels of expression and delight when you play it.
You claim a majority don't care -- yet majority turn over their guitars like so on this forum. Ito pa ang kakatawa -- mamaya makikita mo sila with the same type of guitar kung may pera na uli. Di ba on tonequest sila at least a majority of the time?
I have nothing to gain and I am NOT selling any of my guitars. So really, its just fair warning for all. With the way you ask your questions, it gives me an impression that you still have not found any magical guitar. Thats cool because it takes time to learn it. I was also stuck with Ibanez and ESP signatures back in the day. Up to this day, I am hoping to find a magical Ibanez guitar --- wala talaga suspetsa ko panget talaga kahoy nila. Sana nga kung minsan kasing suwerte ako ni Steve Vai na nakahanap siya ng FLO at EVO.
your data is based on your experience and exposure? therefore, i conclude that this 2% is purely an assumption based from one persons experience and exposure.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on June 30, 2018, 11:38:25 AM
Nice Segway from your original wild summary of Gibson guitars being played on more top hit songs than Fender guitars.
Keep it up.
Actually, I meant that if any unknown undesirable guitar serves as inspiration so do the most cherished and most expensive guitars. Iyon lang. Of course, may mga talangang hit songs na ginawa sa 59 standard golden age; ako personally may mga gusto akong kanta na gawa at inspired ng super strat.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on July 01, 2018, 11:24:40 PM
your data is based on your experience and exposure? therefore, i conclude that this 2% is purely an assumption based from one persons experience and exposure.
Yeah but my message is that it coincides with John Mayer and Paul Reed Smith's observations too.
By the way, on a personal level I am NOT just one person when it comes to selecting guitars that are magical. Just ASK Bong sa Perfect Pitch and Yas Iwande (when he comes around) sa Crescendo.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: titser_marco on July 02, 2018, 02:33:40 PM
To my mind, I don't doubt there are magical guitars that will just resonate with me on an almost mystical level. But that's only half the equation as far as I am concerned --- the other half is whether I willing to plunk down a crazy amount of money when I do encounter it (I probably won't, hehe). Bless those guys who are fortunate enough to afford those things that give them joy.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on July 02, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
To my mind, I don't doubt there are magical guitars that will just resonate with me on an almost mystical level. But that's only half the equation as far as I am concerned --- the other half is whether I willing to plunk down a crazy amount of money when I do encounter it (I probably won't, hehe). Bless those guys who are fortunate enough to afford those things that give them joy.
And bless those guys who find inspiration with what they have. Plugged my Les Paul today been awhile. Old Roland rack delay, favorite mid boost pedal, 4x12 clean settings.
Dopamine rush.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on July 02, 2018, 06:39:40 PM
To my mind, I don't doubt there are magical guitars that will just resonate with me on an almost mystical level. But that's only half the equation as far as I am concerned --- the other half is whether I willing to plunk down a crazy amount of money when I do encounter it (I probably won't, hehe). Bless those guys who are fortunate enough to afford those things that give them joy.
Thanks for the blessing. Why don't you come over so I can share my blessings even for just a day?
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on July 02, 2018, 06:40:34 PM
And bless those guys who find inspiration with what they have. Plugged my Les Paul today been awhile. Old Roland rack delay, favorite mid boost pedal, 4x12 clean settings.
Dopamine rush.
Agree and may you never ever again have to sell anything in the classifieds.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: titser_marco on July 02, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
And bless those guys who find inspiration with what they have. Plugged my Les Paul today been awhile. Old Roland rack delay, favorite mid boost pedal, 4x12 clean settings.
Dopamine rush.
This is me. Suffering is not when you don't have what you want, but when you don't like what you have.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: titser_marco on July 02, 2018, 08:59:40 PM
Agree and may you never ever again have to sell anything in the classifieds.
I think all of us have a guitar (or several) that will only be taken away from us from our cold, dead hands --- whether they sound great or not. The ones we end up selling are either bad sounding or bad decisions, LOL
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on July 02, 2018, 10:10:34 PM
your data is based on your experience and exposure? therefore, i conclude that this 2% is purely an assumption based from one persons experience and exposure.
I concur. If the 2% comes from the inputs of the living legends like Clapton..etc., then case closed.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: abyssinianson on November 08, 2018, 06:55:34 AM
A bit off topic but I would be interested in your opinion about Acoustic Guitars Firemodel55 . :)
If it doesn't "hiyaw" - word on the street is he won't play it, buy it, or name drop about it.
Not sure why the 2% magical resonance stuff is worth fretting over when most people should be worried less about the 2% they may statistically never have rather than spend time finding an instrument that works for you, and then actually learning to play the thing and make music with it. I mean, seriously, say you have access to that <2%..then what?
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: treblinkalovescene on November 09, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
Look, as much as I'm a person of science, you're going to have to parse what FM55 means when he establishes a claim instead of taking it at face value. The figures here are obviously not precise, but he's trying to communicate how far (in his experience) the gap between a "magical" guitar is from a dud, and how often it comes up in a production run. It's a conversation, not a journal, so idk maybe we're being a bit too pedantic here. We're already dealing with superlative claims as is.
Now, just try to contextualize it this way, FM55 is literally the guitar gear equivalent of an audiophile. While YMMV, I can guarantee you that he's not just trying to blow smoke up your ass. At the very least, most of us were invited to his house at some point or another just to hear the difference for ourselves. Sorry, by the way Alex. Never got the schedules to work!
If you could make the trip over to his house sometime, try bringing a guitar you think sounds good, and compare it to his roster of guitars. I'm sure you may not 100% agree with his statements, but having access to that much high-end gear at one time might be an experience all its own.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on November 25, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
If it doesn't "hiyaw" - word on the street is he won't play it, buy it, or name drop about it.
Not sure why the 2% magical resonance stuff is worth fretting over when most people should be worried less about the 2% they may statistically never have rather than spend time finding an instrument that works for you, and then actually learning to play the thing and make music with it. I mean, seriously, say you have access to that <2%..then what?
Since I have access to that 2%, I don't need to sell them EVER... unless an act of god should force me to. Surprisingly, that 2% works for everybody.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: firemodel55 on November 25, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
I concur. If the 2% comes from the inputs of the living legends like Clapton..etc., then case closed.
Di ba namili rin si Claption? Simple lang, may Claption signature ang Fender right? Sa tingin mo lahat pareho at maganda ang tunog? Sasabihin ko na sa iyo that among the Clapton Models both Custom Shop and the standard stuff-- maraming dog at ubod ng kaunti lang ang magaganda.
So two possibilities lang:
1) Either bingi si Clapton dahil hindi niya naririnig ang pagkakaiba OR 2) Alam niya na malaking variation mula maganda hangang panget pero mas importante sa kanya perahan kayo kaysa sabihin na 1-5% lang ng signature guitars ko ay maganda
So, credible pa ba si Clapton sa iyo?
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: analog.matt on December 10, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
My data is acquired from experience and exposure. Thats why I say, I will tell you when try 100 Made in USA Fenders. In the meantime, I am short cutting the process for you.
I have to give you a ball park figure for magical guitars right? As I said, for Fenders its 5% for me. John and Paul have lower estimates. On the extreme is Gibson with about 1% and the other extreme is Suhr at around 10% -- yes I am surprised by Suhr because they seem to be getting their numbers up.
I once sat down with all the employees in one of the popular guitar stores in Melbourne CBD. It was a slow day for them and I was free and I knew all of them. It was a modern guitar store.
after the conversation warmed up, I asked them point blank: lets get serious now. I know you are all working musicians. you play when you're not here and you've been working at this store for many many years. we all know by this time in our lives what a good Les Paul sounds like. So let me ask you this. how many Les Pauls have gone through your hands that sounds close to the real deal, or close to what we hear in the famous records we love and cherish? don't lie to me. we're just the only ones here. no customers. you know what im talking about: the bloom, the chirp, the dual tone blah blah blah, you know what I'm talking about.
then one of them answered: I've been working here for more than 8 years. none of the modern les pauls. and I've handled a lot of special orders from the Gibson Custom Shop. the really high end ones. the ones you have to wait for quite some time before they arrive. from all those orders I had made, there was only ONE that passed through our hands. it was really gorgeous. and it sounded like what a les paul should sound like. when you hear it. you'll know right away that IT IS A LES PAUL. no questions. and all the sales men nodded. the guy then said, ask these guys, there were there too. they got to play it.
so i tried to make sure I heard him correctly and asked: so that's the only one? only one? nothing after?
he said. "nothing"
so I joked, "whoever that guy is, he's one lucky guy then"
they all reacted, "well hell yeah! when you hear that les paul, you'll know "its the one"
If it doesn't "hiyaw" - word on the street is he won't play it, buy it, or name drop about it.
Not sure why the 2% magical resonance stuff is worth fretting over when most people should be worried less about the 2% they may statistically never have rather than spend time finding an instrument that works for you, and then actually learning to play the thing and make music with it. I mean, seriously, say you have access to that <2%..then what?
the reality is, music can be enjoyed at any level. its just that the quality we want to have depends on us -- nasa atin to set our priorities and set where to tow the line.
accepting the truth will set us free.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: queer_rocker on December 11, 2018, 06:28:39 AM
The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars?
My PRS included.
lock thread please :lol:
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: pallas on December 12, 2018, 02:36:23 AM
I once sat down with all the employees in one of the popular guitar stores in Melbourne CBD. It was a slow day for them and I was free and I knew all of them. It was a modern guitar store.
after the conversation warmed up, I asked them point blank: lets get serious now. I know you are all working musicians. you play when you're not here and you've been working at this store for many many years. we all know by this time in our lives what a good Les Paul sounds like. So let me ask you this. how many Les Pauls have gone through your hands that sounds close to the real deal, or close to what we hear in the famous records we love and cherish? don't lie to me. we're just the only ones here. no customers. you know what im talking about: the bloom, the chirp, the dual tone blah blah blah, you know what I'm talking about.
then one of them answered: I've been working here for more than 8 years. none of the modern les pauls. and I've handled a lot of special orders from the Gibson Custom Shop. the really high end ones. the ones you have to wait for quite some time before they arrive. from all those orders I had made, there was only ONE that passed through our hands. it was really gorgeous. and it sounded like what a les paul should sound like. when you hear it. you'll know right away that IT IS A LES PAUL. no questions. and all the sales men nodded. the guy then said, ask these guys, there were there too. they got to play it.
so i tried to make sure I heard him correctly and asked: so that's the only one? only one? nothing after?
he said. "nothing"
so I joked, "whoever that guy is, he's one lucky guy then"
they all reacted, "well hell yeah! when you hear that les paul, you'll know "its the one"
the reality is, music can be enjoyed at any level. its just that the quality we want to have depends on us -- nasa atin to set our priorities and set where to tow the line.
accepting the truth will set us free.
Music can be enjoyed at any level.
Let that sink in, digest it.
Since the dawn of man sounds enchanted, visions honored in sonic ritual chants, strings resonated, sonatas were composed and not a custom shop in sight.
Title: Re: The Magical 2% of Electric Solid Body Guitars
Post by: analog.matt on December 13, 2018, 12:40:46 AM
as long naman as we're honest with ourselves, appreciate our blessings, everything should be okay. as long as we're humble, a spade will be seen as a spade imho.