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Tech Forums => PC Tech => Topic started by: badongrodrigs on February 25, 2008, 11:32:49 PM
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UPDATE:
i just found out that my mobo only supports DDR, curse the light.
im now gearing towards upgrading my motherboard, my processor and my RAM.
my reason for the upgrade is not gaming; im using programs such as 3D Studio Max, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, among others. however, my main goal is to improve rendering times (decrease it) in 3D rendering programs and i've researched that a dual core can achieve that.
now im not sure whether to go Intel or stay with AMD. perhaps my main consideration is cost.
another thing, i've just recently bought an Nvidia GF6800GS 128mb AGP video card (since my present mobo only supported AGP), and i don't want to replace it since video cards are expensive. can AGP still be supported by the latest mobos (those who are already supporting PCI-Express slots)?
please, if you have any suggestions, kindly help. thanks a lot!
badong
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hi guys since i'm fairly new with this kind of hardware, i'm having trouble researching. i googled it but couldn't find the answer (or i'm using incorrect key words)
my mobo is an Asus A8V-Mx
according to the manual's specs summary, under CPU: Socket 939 for AMD Athlon 64FX/Athlon 64/Sempron 64 processors.
now i don't know wth that means. my current processor is an athlon, 3000+ 1.8ghz if i'm not mistaken.
i want to upgrade to an Intel Core2Duo and i'm wondering if it is possible...?
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ser. tignan niyo sa box ng motherboard kung supported niya ang core2duo. un. sna nkatulong. hehe.
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ser. tignan niyo sa box ng motherboard kung supported niya ang core2duo. un. sna nkatulong. hehe.
walang nakalagay sa box men eh.
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This motherboard supports AMD 939-pin Athlon 64 FX/ Athlon 64 processors
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AMD 939-pin won accomodate an LGA 775 processor used by intel
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AMD 939-pin won accomodate an LGA 775 processor used by intel
wait, typo error ba yung "won" for "won't"?
so it can't support intel processors?
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oo nga typo
bad news is that no it wont support intel processors
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oo nga typo
bad news is that no it wont support intel processors
gaddamn it.
are you absolutely sure?
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sure
di mag aalign ang pins ng processor sa socket, pag pinilit mo, bent pins lang aabutin mo.
i wish i had better news :-)
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sure
di mag aalign ang pins ng processor sa socket, pag pinilit mo, bent pins lang aabutin mo.
i wish i had better news :-)
can't i buy, like, an adaptor or something of the like?
it strikes me as strange that a mobo can't be THAT versatile, and is unfriendly to innovation.
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the thing is that if the chipset can support the processor all you have to do is modify the physical arrange ment of the pins to accomodate the new processor like the time of the slot 1 to s370 of the slot P3 to socket P3 days, but ure using an motherboard designed to support an AMD processor, intel and AMD processors are engineered in such a different way that the mother board chipsets wont be able to handle requests from the other manufacturer
in short
there is no way to attach an intel processor to an AMD motherboard
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It's not about versatility or innovation, but more of competition.
Motherboards are manufactured according to a particular socket or cpu specification. Your motherboard was built to accomodate 939-pin Athlon 64 cpus which only AMD manufactured.
Intel purposefully set a standard for motherboards and cpus which makes it completely incompatible with AMD, who happens to be their main competitor. All this incompatibility stemmed from the old socket 7 motherboards which could accomodate both early Intel pentiums and AMD K6 cpus. After that, it became a pissing match on whose cpu was better and faster, thus innovation determined the need for different cpu architectures between the 2 companies necessitating the need for incompatible motherboard chipset and socket designs, blah, blah, blah... you get the picture.
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okay.
so the only option i have is to buy the AMD equivalent of Intel Core2Duo, which is the X2...?
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thats pretty much it and AMD CPUs arent all that bad
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all right, thanks for all the help!
my brother works as a researcher for AMD, and i think i'll have him ship their latest model for me hehehehe
thanks again!
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my brother works as a researcher for AMD, and i think i'll have him ship their latest model for me hehehehe
Sorry.
The latest AMD cpus are AM2 and AM2+ which are incompatible with socket 939. You can still find some 939-pin AMDs abroad. Locally, only the used market is available. You can also use 1-series Opterons for your mobo (Opteron 165/170/175/185) which are also dual core.
If you need a cpu that bad, I have a 939 3200+ (not X2) that I'm not using.
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uh, what sir? hehe
so in layman's terms, my mobo is not compatible with AMD dual cores too? or incompatible with the latest processors ONLY?
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hi guys since i'm fairly new with this kind of hardware, i'm having trouble researching. i googled it but couldn't find the answer (or i'm using incorrect key words)
my mobo is an Asus A8V-Mx
according to the manual's specs summary, under CPU: Socket 939 for AMD Athlon 64FX/Athlon 64/Sempron 64 processors.
now i don't know wth that means. my current processor is an athlon, 3000+ 1.8ghz if i'm not mistaken.
i want to upgrade to an Intel Core2Duo and i'm wondering if it is possible...?
Nope hindi pwede pang intel yan pang AMD yan AMD 939 mga ganun
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so in layman's terms, my mobo is not compatible with AMD dual cores too? or incompatible with the latest processors ONLY?
Dude, there is more to a motherboard than just slapping on any processor. Presently manufactured AMD processors are designed for AM2 sockets which are different from 939 sockets. The cpus themselves may all be called Athlons but there are several different kinds: socket A Athlons had 462 pins, Athlon 64s came in 754 and 939 pin varieties, while today's AM2 Athlon has 940 pins. Opterons also come in 939 pins (which is compatible with your mobo) and 940 pins (but is incompatible with AM2 sockets). There are also Semprons with the same pin counts but these are often referred to as budget processors with less L2 cache.
Try to get qualified advice from knowledgeable technicians if you don't know what you are doing. Better yet, get a new mobo if you wish to use present day processors.
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all right, thanks for all the help!
my brother works as a researcher for AMD, and i think i'll have him ship their latest model for me hehehehe
latest models are quad cores(Phenom)
at pag nag ship utol mo nun, bibili ka din ng AMD quad core compatible mobo :-)
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quad core ang bilis non :evil: ahehe.
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Dude, there is more to a motherboard than just slapping on any processor. Presently manufactured AMD processors are designed for AM2 sockets which are different from 939 sockets. The cpus themselves may all be called Athlons but there are several different kinds: socket A Athlons had 462 pins, Athlon 64s came in 754 and 939 pin varieties, while today's AM2 Athlon has 940 pins. Opterons also come in 939 pins (which is compatible with your mobo) and 940 pins (but is incompatible with AM2 sockets). There are also Semprons with the same pin counts but these are often referred to as budget processors with less L2 cache.
Try to get qualified advice from knowledgeable technicians if you don't know what you are doing. Better yet, get a new mobo if you wish to use present day processors.
hehe sorry naman ser!
i'll ask for help personally nalang whenever im ready to buy a new processor.
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... I'll take KitC's word anyday.
firstly decide whether you are going for an Intel or AMD platform, then select the motherboard features that you want. don't get a board simply because everybody says so, or if it has all those nifty features like sata 2, firewire, high definition video pero hinde naman gagamitin then you might as well opt for a board that has lesser features that you will really need. select the motherboard, then get the corresponding processor for that board. also bear in mind that every 3 months or so, prices fluctuate so that a 5k processor might slash down to 4k within a couple of months..
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also bear in mind that every 3 months or so, prices fluctuate so that a 5k processor might slash down to 4k within a couple of months..
Tell me about it... :|
Within 6 months, my 9k proc became 4k, and now there are 4k procies that are twice powerful than my original proc. :-( I hate Moore's law.
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http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=A8V-MX
just checked the asus website and it can support up to an athlon x2 (939) 4800 or a opteron dual core 185 subject to the bios version of your motherboard. the latest version is 503.
now as to whether you can get any of these processors, that is another matter.
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http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=A8V-MX
just checked the asus website and it can support up to an athlon x2 (939) 4800 or a opteron dual core 185 subject to the bios version of your motherboard. the latest version is 503.
now as to whether you can get any of these processors, that is another matter.
thanks for that info!
i found an athlon x2 4800 dual core box in the pcexpress website. i hope they have stocks.
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what d'you guys think about the Athlon 64 FX-60?
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UPDATE:
i just found out that my mobo only supports DDR, curse the light.
im now gearing towards upgrading my motherboard, my processor and my RAM.
my reason for the upgrade is not gaming; im using programs such as 3D Studio Max, Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, among others. however, my main goal is to improve rendering times (decrease it) in 3D rendering programs and i've researched that a dual core can achieve that.
now im not sure whether to go Intel or stay with AMD. perhaps my main consideration is cost.
another thing, i've just recently bought an Nvidia GF6800GS 128mb AGP video card (since my present mobo only supported AGP), and i don't want to replace it since video cards are expensive. can AGP still be supported by the latest mobos (those who are already supporting PCI-Express slots)?
please, if you have any suggestions, kindly help. thanks a lot!
badong
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i found an athlon x2 4800 dual core box in the pcexpress website. i hope they have stocks.
Are you sure about this? Their site only lists a 3000+ 939.
what d'you guys think about the Athlon 64 FX-60?
If you can find one, let me know too. I'd even settle for an Opteron 185.
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Are you sure about this? Their site only lists a 3000+ 939.
it's listed under the socket AM2. but the ASUS link said that the model supported socket 939, and i'm more inclined to believing the ASUS site rather than pcx.
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it's listed under the socket AM2. but the ASUS link said that the model supported socket 939, and i'm more inclined to believing the ASUS site rather than pcx.
pcx lists the 4800+ X2 under AM2, not 939. All pc vendors now only stock AM2 cpus which is incompatible with your mobo. The only online retailers I've seen with 939 X2 are newegg.com and tigerdirect.com
If you want to look for 939 cpus locally (secondhand), try tipidpc.com
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http://www.amd.com/us-en/recmobo/DetailHandler/1,,30_182_869_9460%5E9461,00.html?queryID=105103
basta eto yun compatibility. good luck he he...
the search is on...
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^^ oo nga noh, eh yung +3000 yung processor ko ngayon, so un-upgradeable na pala talaga.
anyway, i've chosen to upgrade my motherboard to one that can support dual core processors but still support AGP graphics.
i've also chosen to upgrade to an Athlon 64 X2 5200.
my only problem is the memory since i know little about it.
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eto yung napili kong motherboard. http://www.superwarehouse.com/MSI_K9MM-V_Motherboard/K9MM-V/ps/1495322
kasi anjan yung kailangan mainly Dual Core Support, AGP slot, at DDR2 slots 2GB max.
i was told na magandang brand din ang MSI.
question lang, ano yung meaning nung "Supported RAM Speed PC2-4300, PC2-6400, PC2-5300" eh mga 3 digit speeds lang yung nakikita ko sa mga DDR2...?
MSI K9MM-V Motherboard
Form Factor Micro ATX
Chipset Type VIA UniChrome Pro K8M800 / VIA VT8237R Plus
Multi Core Support Dual Core
Max Bus Speed 800 MHz
Processor Socket Type 0 ( 1 ) - Socket AM2
Compatible Processors Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 X2
64 Bit Processor Compatibility Yes
Multi Core Support Dual-Core
Max Bus Speed 800 MHz
Chipset Type VIA UniChrome Pro K8M800 / VIA VT8237R Plus
Memory Supported RAM Technology DDR II SDRAM
RAM Installed 0 MB / 2 GB (max)
Supported RAM Speed PC2-4300, PC2-6400, PC2-5300
RAM Features Two DDR Channels
Video Graphics Controller VIA UniChrome Pro K8M800
Video Memory Shared video memory (UMA)
Audio Audio Output Sound Card
Signal Processor Intel HD Audio
Audio Codec Realtek ALC655
Sound Output Mode 5.1 channel surround
Networking Network adapter - Realtek RTL8201CL - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet
Expansion / Connectivity Expansion Slots Total (Free) 1 processor - Socket AM2
2 memory ( 1.8 V ) - DIMM 240-pin
1 AGP 8x
3 PCI ( 3.3 V/ 5 V )
Storage Interfaces ATA-133 - connector(s): 1 x 40pin IDC - 2 device(s)
Serial ATA-150 - connector(s): 2 x 7pin Serial ATA - 2 device(s) - RAID 0 / RAID 1
Interfaces 1 x storage - floppy interface - 34 pin IDC
1 x parallel - IEEE 1284 (EPP/ECP) - 25 pin D-Sub (DB-25)
2 x serial - RS-232 - 9 pin D-Sub (DB-9)
4 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A
1 x audio - SPDIF output - RCA
1 x audio - SPDIF output - TOS Link
1 x audio - line-out (rear) - mini-phone 3.5 mm
1 x audio - line-out (center/subwoofer) - mini-phone 3.5 mm
1 x audio - line-out - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
1 x audio - line-in - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
1 x display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
1 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45
Additional Connectors 4 x Hi-Speed USB
Compliant Standards Plug and Play, RoHS
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MSI, ASUS, ASrock, Abit, Gigabyte are major brands.
the model you stated is a mid level model.
anyway ganito ata yung sa memory:
good old 266 memory becomes 533, 333 becomes 667, and 400 becomes 800 > DDR2 memory.
....hmmmm agp slot.... (does not want to part with Nvidia GF6800GS 128mb AGP video card... not good)... do more research... don't jump in just yet....
actually sa AM2 platform mas mura pa ang DDR2 saka PCIe graphics card... then again I don't know anything... he he
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....hmmmm agp slot.... (does not want to part with Nvidia GF6800GS 128mb AGP video card... not good)... do more research... don't jump in just yet....
actually i know that buying a mobo that only has an AGP expansion slot is another bottleneck altogether since fewer and fewer AGP models are getting released (meron pa ba?)
but i'm really reluctant to part with it since it's almost new and it cost around 7k, which i will practically throw away once i buy a mobo with PCI-E expansion slot.
going Intel is no option, since i still haven't found mobos that support INTEL C2D, AGP, and DDR2.
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kung mga rendering mataas na ram at dual core na processor makakakita ka ng malaking pag kakaiba kesa sa ram lang ang upupgrade mo.
Motherboard-processor-ram the best possible upgrade.
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but i'm really reluctant to part with it since it's almost new and it cost around 7k, which i will practically throw away once i buy a mobo with PCI-E expansion slot.
You could always sell the vidcard at TPC... there are still takers.
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You could always sell the vidcard at TPC... there are still takers.
i know. since my last posting i've been extensively researching about my options. and my decision has changed.
i've decided to go for the best bang for the buck deal: a high end mobo, low end or middle range INTEL dual core, two 1gb 800 corsairs, and whatever video card i can get for 3k.
im going to have my mobo overclock the processor.
i'm going to have to sell that agp video card, and yes i think i can still salvage around 1.5k-2k from it in tipidpc.
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i know. since my last posting i've been extensively researching about my options. and my decision has changed.
i've decided to go for the best bang for the buck deal: a high end mobo, low end or middle range INTEL dual core, two 1gb 800 corsairs, and whatever video card i can get for 3k.
im going to have my mobo overclock the processor.
i'm going to have to sell that agp video card, and yes i think i can still salvage around 1.5k-2k from it in tipidpc.
bakit mo ooverclock? mukhang mas magiging magastus pag ni overclock mo kasi kailangan mo ng magandang cooling system may possiblities pa na mag freeze and PC mo dring rendering.
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bakit mo ooverclock? mukhang mas magiging magastus pag ni overclock mo kasi kailangan mo ng magandang cooling system may possiblities pa na mag freeze and PC mo dring rendering.
yeah those are the kinds of issues that i'm really worrying about, pero my friend who offered to do it reassured me that there are already presets for OCing our selected CPU which would give us a rock steady speed and temp.
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yeah those are the kinds of issues that i'm really worrying about, pero my friend who offered to do it reassured me that there are already presets for OCing our selected CPU which would give us a rock steady speed and temp.
Well good luck pre, sana wag masunog dahil sayang din un gagastusin mo pag kasi na overclock ibig sabihin hindi na cover ng warranty yung PC parts pasensya na kung makulit ako pero reminder lang pre :)
Pero keep your fingers cross kasi ang stable na overclock at ginagamitan ng water cooling system sensiya na ulit kung makulit ako :) reminder lang ulit.
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OC mo lang sa recommended clock speeds, kahit hindi liquid cooled pc mo ok lang...pero kelangan naka magandang cpu cooler ka...
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Well good luck pre, sana wag masunog dahil sayang din un gagastusin mo pag kasi na overclock ibig sabihin hindi na cover ng warranty yung PC parts pasensya na kung makulit ako pero reminder lang pre :)
Pero keep your fingers cross kasi ang stable na overclock at ginagamitan ng water cooling system sensiya na ulit kung makulit ako :) reminder lang ulit.
I've seen a 2 ghz cpu oc'd to 3+ ghz with regular air cooling. I regularly ran my old 1433 mhz Athlon 1700+ Thoroughbred at 1800mhz (roughly 2100+) with plain air cooling (although the 'take Volcano's whine was irritatingly loud - could have gone higher with a better HSF or water). Some modern cpus allow you to overclock substantially without even having to tweak voltages. You don't even need water cooling just to overclock, just use the right components - I'm running my mems at 500 mhz right now using specified voltage for XMS memory! Don't diss something you are not familiar with.
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okay panggulo naman....
http://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=1630458
Athlon X2 4800+ Socket 939 Toledo Pre-sell 6k
Planning to shift to Core 2 Duo kaya pre-sell ko muna itong processor ko na classic meaning tentative pa pag natuloy ang upgrade ko.
Athlon X2 4800+ 2.4 ghz 1 mb Toledo Socket 939
Processor only no heatsink fan. Will provide 3 days testing warranty enough test if the unit is 100% working. Overclocking voids the personal warranty. Rare item.
Note: I have the right to choose the buyer and the customer is not always right. Thanks for looking!^_^
6k is kinda pricey... fyi lang he he...
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Processor only no heatsink fan. Will provide 3 days testing warranty enough test if the unit is 100% working. Overclocking voids the personal warranty. Rare item.
sa 3 days testing warranty pa lang talo na ang seller...walang heatsink fan eh sabog agad yan :lol:
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he he... syempre it goes without saying.... this is how you mount a heatsink > http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/11872118966JRZ9Sod57_1_1_l.jpg
link courtesy of KitC...
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he he... syempre it goes without saying.... this is how you mount a heatsink > http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/11872118966JRZ9Sod57_1_1_l.jpg
link courtesy of KitC...
:lol: :lol: :lol: priceless!
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he he... syempre it goes without saying.... this is how you mount a heatsink > http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/11872118966JRZ9Sod57_1_1_l.jpg
link courtesy of KitC...
hehehee...Badong anjan ka pa ba?
tignan mo maigi yung pic dito ha? yan ang tamang pag install ng HSF..baka magkamali ka eh hehehee :-D
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okay, i have to admit that i've never replaced a processor by my own so im not confident enough to laugh about the pic. hehe
anyway, yes, i'm decided to go Intel and OC it. but i'd probably still wait until the summer, baka bumaba pa price. hehe
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okay, i have to admit that i've never replaced a processor by my own so im not confident enough to laugh about the pic. hehe
The HSF (heatsink fan) is mounted at the back of the case thereby acting as an exhaust fan instead of being mounted on the cpu (in the middle of the pic). Good thing modern cpus have thermal shutdown capability if they overheat, but if this was one of those old Thunderbird or Thoroughbred Athlons, you would have seen smoke within a few seconds of turning the pc on.
The pic could have been staged, though, since the cpu has a circle of thermal paste on it. The site (hardocp) claims this is how they found the pc when they opened it.
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The pic could have been staged, though, since the cpu has a circle of thermal paste on it. The site (hardocp) claims this is how they found the pc when they opened it.
bossing, lahat ba ng processors pag nilabas natin sa box(bagong bili) eh sa hsf nakadikit yung thermal paste?
hehehee mejo t@ngang question pero curious lang...
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bossing, lahat ba ng processors pag nilabas natin sa box(bagong bili) eh sa hsf nakadikit yung thermal paste?
Yup.
Ang tawag nila ngayon sa thermal paste ay TIM (thermal induction material). Ayon sa mga tests, maganda performance ng mga greyish TIM na 'to kumpara sa white silicon paste; medyo malapit na sa performance ng micronized silver (AS5).
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Yup.
Ang tawag nila ngayon sa thermal paste ay TIM (thermal induction material). Ayon sa mga tests, maganda performance ng mga greyish TIM na 'to kumpara sa white silicon paste; medyo malapit na sa performance ng micronized silver (AS5).
di ba may mga binebentang 3M na brand ng thermal paste? ok lang kaya yun?
yung kasama nung bumili ako ng gigabyte procy fan eh yung white silicon...nagkaron ng drop ng temp kaso hindi ganun kalayo sa normal temp nya nung stock fan lang gamit ko...
magkano yang Acrtic Silver?
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magkano yang Acrtic Silver?
About P500 for 3.5 grams in most stores.
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hehehe...sige hanap ako...salamat bossing! :wink: