Author Topic: Open-Handed, Ambidextrous Approach To Drums (Read 8487 times)

Bammbamm · « **on:** August 20, 2006, 11:16:54 AM »

Billy Cobham,Carter Beauford,at yung author ng librong "The New Breed".
(sori,nkalimutan ko pangalan!) Ilan lang sila sa mga alam kong may kakaibang pamamaraan ng pagtugtog ng tambol.(kung may alam ka pa bukod kay Simon Phillips,share mo.)

Anu-ano nga ba ang advantages at disadvantages ng ganitong uri ng pamamaraaan ng paglalaro ng tambol? Bakit may mga argumento tungkol dito gaya ng argumento ukol sa pag hawak at pag hataw ng patpat?

Ano nga ba ang OPEN-HANDED at AMBIDEXTROUS playing???
Isa ka ba sa mga naniniwala dito?

Tambolero,ILAHAD MO!!

legnacilyz · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2006, 11:32:08 AM »

-DOM FAMULARO! (grabe kapangalan ko! Dominic ako eh! hhehe).

he's shifted from trad grip to open handed playing.. check www.vicfirth.com and to dom famularo's cyber lessons!

Advantage is, you are not locking an arm when you keep time in hi hats..You're gonna lead using the left hand thus opening the right arm and giving easy access to different toms and cymbals.. pero xmpre mganda ren na you got 2 hands na pdeng mag lead either left or right.. Un na yung ambidextrous playing! Ambidextrous is, according to me, is being able to play or lead with either 2 hands nga! hehehe..

take Carter Beauford for example.. sometimes naglleft xa, sometimes nagrright.. sa hats nga lang.. kasi nsa left niya ung dalawang ride niya eh.. (i like his Flattop Ride! hehehe) watch his videos.. ganda ng combinations.. Try finding his DVD of Under The Table and Drumming.. watch Ants Marching! heheheh Petmalu!

my two cents!

cheers!!

jun_BALARAW · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2006, 02:08:07 PM »

stephane chamberland!!!

open handed din yan

drumster · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Bammbamm

yung author ng librong "The New Breed".
(sori,nkalimutan ko pangalan!)

Anu-ano nga ba ang advantages at disadvantages ng ganitong uri ng pamamaraaan ng paglalaro ng tambol? Bakit may mga argumento tungkol dito gaya ng argumento ukol sa pag hawak at pag hataw ng patpat?

Ano nga ba ang OPEN-HANDED at AMBIDEXTROUS playing???
Isa ka ba sa mga naniniwala dito?

The New Breed - by Gary Chester.

I think open-handed playing adds a wider dimension to our playing. And with both left and right hands working hard and with dexterity, it opens up many more creative and musical possibilities.

I want to work on open-handed playing someday, maybe when I have a nice second ride cymbal mounted on my left, para ma-inspire ako lalo. I can already do straight-ahead 4/4 grooves. I can't do the more advanced ones yet.

Will Kennedy and Gorden Campbell are two more examples of drummers who apply open-handed playing.

drumfreak · « **Reply #4 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:28:36 PM »

its a good training ground for total independence sabi nga ni steve smith....

peeves24 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:31:43 AM »

playing open handed doesnt really present an advantage even for ambidextrous people like me

even if i can lead with either hands, i've been training myself to play right handed coz

a. that's the way the other guy does it
b. dont want to change setup everytime you play with somebody else's kit
c. difficult to translate stickings
b. i can eat right handed with a spoon and fork, left hand if using one utensil (chop sticks too) but its too damn confusing for me if you give me a fork and a knife.

sooo i still play right handed up to now, i started playing open handed three months ago but its driving me crazy. i found that its more of a practice for mental conditioning and telling yourself to break a habit than physical training. well i skipped the physical training part since i dont have to develop weak limbs

Bammbamm · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2006, 09:47:35 PM »

Quote from: peeves24

playing open handed doesnt really present an advantage even for ambidextrous people like me

even if i can lead with either hands, i've been training myself to play right handed coz

a. that's the way the other guy does it
b. dont want to change setup everytime you play with somebody else's kit
c. difficult to translate stickings
b. i can eat right handed with a spoon and fork, left hand if using one utensil (chop sticks too) but its too damn confusing for me if you give me a fork and a knife.

sooo i still play right handed up to now, i started playing open handed three months ago but its driving me crazy. i found that its more of a practice for mental conditioning and telling yourself to break a habit than physical training. well i skipped the physical training part since i dont have to develop weak limbs

Thanks for your uncommon response bro!
Medyo ipaliwanag ko lang ng konti pa at iba base ko sa sarili kong experience.
Para na din sa ibang drummers na maaaring magka interes dito,SPECIALLY DUN SA MGA LEFT-HANDED DRUMMERS na hindi magkanda ugaga sa common drumkit set-up! (actually,open ko sana 'to as another topic,pero dito ko na lang i post)

"Natural Evolution"

Basically, Right handed talaga ako sa halos lahat ng bagay.Sa pag susulat,paghawak ng mga tools,etc.

Natuto lang akong maging left-handed sa drums kasi talagang self-taught ako,at gamit kong drumkit ay improvised na mga plastic container (galon) na nka mount sa mga paa ng maliit na lamesang binaligtad...Walang "kick drum" yun. Bale "floor toms" lang ang pinaka bass (pinakamababang pitch ng "galon kit" ko)
So kamay din ang kelangang gamitin ko para sa tunog ng bass drum!

Consequently,pipili ako ng isang kamay na hindi gaanong busy pang alternate sa "kick". Obvious nman na yung kamay sa snare ang hindi masyadong busy,so sya ang ginamit ko.
Ngayon,alternate ang right hand ko sa galong snare at bass.Tuloy tuloy nman yung left hand sa hi-hat na tansan...Sa ganitong sitwasyon,hindi ako pwedeng mag cross-arm.

Dumating yung point na totoong drumset ang ginagamit ko (actually,sa utol ng guitarist yung kit, nakikisingit lang ako!)

At dahil determinado akong maging drummer/musikero,kelangang makipagsabayan ako sa guitarista!
Metallica ang trip nya,sa utol nya yung drums...gusto ko mag banda....so hindi pwede si **Ringo Starr dun!

Eto na! Popondohin(iko-cover) namin yung "Frayed Ends of Sanity" ng Metallica! Tsaka yung walang kamatayang "Blackened"!!.....Buti na lang open-handed ako kaya ok lang yung intro ng "Frayed Ends"... Tapos yung Blackened na nakakapagod ang bilis ng Hi-hats! Dito ko na aaplay ang ambidextrous playing! Pag pagod si Kaliwa sa hihats,kanan naman gagamitin ko!
Kahit sa mga compositions namin noon,pag mabilis ang palo sa hi-hat sa mga stanza,napapahinga ko yung left hand ko pagdating sa bridge o chorus ng kanta kasi right hand naman ang pinang r-ride ko.

Ngayon, dahil siguro nag mature na ako as a musician,medyo Jazz fusion at World Music naman ang venture ko...Reggae, Afro-cuban,Brazilian,New Orleans,Afro-beat,Tahitian,etc...DITO! Dito sa mga tipo ng tugtog na ito ko nakikita ang advantage ng Open-Hand playing at pagiging Ambidextrous..Dito ko din unti unting nadidiscover ang sarili kong tunog at style.Kasi Originally,iba't-ibang percussion instruments ang mga nilalaman nito. Ako,at Ikaw na tumutugtog ng drumkit ang may kalayaang mag interpret ng bawat instrumentong bumubuo nito!....Dito natin hinuhubog ang sarili natin bilang isang "Artist"- Thru effective interpretation and application of these styles in various musical genre.
Advantage talaga dito ang open-handed at Ambidextrous.

Napansin nyo bang mas magaling ang mga basketball player na ambidextrous kesa dribble at shoot lang using only one of his limbs?!?

Yeah Man!

**Check nyo yung post ko under "MURANG DRUMS" ni Marko.

manson · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2006, 04:08:34 PM »

anyone here play open handed?

How would you do an open handed roll?
RLRLRLRL?

Or...
LRLRLRLR?

How would your cymbal set up be?

bangbus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2006, 04:54:18 PM »

hi, i'm a newbie when it comes to open handed/left lead drummin, ve'been trying it out for a few months now, not that good at all but im getting there...anyway, i still practice on a right-handed kit and do fills/rolls the same way i did when im leading with my right. its only when im on the hats that i try to lead with my left, thats it. i dunno if other open-handers do it differently though.

manson · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2006, 06:47:18 PM »

which hand do u use for the crash?

Bammbamm · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:00:59 PM »

Quote from: manson

anyone here play open handed?

How would you do an open handed roll?
RLRLRLRL?

Or...
LRLRLRLR?

How would your cymbal set up be?

I play open-handed since I started drumming. Although I lead with my left hand, my cymbal setup remains the same with right-handed kit.(ride on the right,crash and hats on the left)

Actually, Im an ambidexter.I lead with my left, but still play the ride with my right hand.

I use double-strokes and paradiddles to most of my fills and 16ths..I seldom play single strokes specially on fast tempos.

It doesnt matter whether your fill starts with your left, or right hand, just make sure you hit the cymbals on 'one'.
You will soon discover how to create your personal "sticking" thru practice,and problem solving...(In fact,Im not aware which of my hand starts a fill for most of the time!) It has become a subconscious reaction to music.

....hanggang ngayon iniisip ko tuloy kung pano ko nag r-roll eh,

...minsan kasi kaliwa una,minsan kanan.depende rin kasi kung saang bilang ka magstart ng roll...
...Pakiramdaman na lang yan! hee he he!

Bammbamm · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:07:05 PM »

Quote from: manson

which hand do u use for the crash?

...hmmm...pakiramdaman din yan para sa akin, bro!
...parang karate, kung ano yung libreng kamay yun ang papalo,
...depende sa fill kasi,at depende kung saang bilang ka mag-start.

....interesting to bro,ah! ngayon ko pa lang nadidiscover kung paano nga ba ako pumapalo,hehe!

bangbus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:31:23 PM »

Quote from: manson

which hand do u use for the crash?

either/both, whichever is more convenient or proper for the moment or kind of fill/roll.

manson · « **Reply #13 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:57:44 PM »

ok, thnx for the info!

cs_mapper · « **Reply #14 on:** September 29, 2006, 08:07:20 PM »

occasionally i would switch to open hand or left hand riding on the hi-hat with basic 8th note beats. sometimes i would fool around with some shuffles if the tempo is slow enough for it.
with fillls will lead on my right.

Diadem · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2006, 03:25:54 AM »

theres also one trick sa open handed eh... i dont know kung gsto nyo tong idea na to...

like this.. create a groove (snare/hat) that.. any.. ung may mga ghost notes.. in a right handed position... tapos do a open hand .. without modifying anything from the right hand groove that you made...

kung baga mag lilipat ung mga ghost notes sa hats... tapos ung mga accents sa hats.. lilipat sa snare...

ala lng... wala akong magawa eh... share lng...

daemonite · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2006, 10:52:14 AM »

being able to play open handed is a must in my opinion. Kasi marami na ako nakita dito sa amin na showbands na astig na drummer na sarap ng groove nila lalo na sa ghost notes pag nag-open hand sila tsaka right handed. Sarap tignan na paghaluin ang 2.

Eto proof ng sinasabi ko...

sarap no!?

kibohead · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:24:05 PM »

ok talaga maging open hand, dami mo ma-eexplore sa kit mo, i've been playing quite sometime narin, pero bago lang ako sa open hand, ok talaga, kaya lang ang hirap mag purdie shuffle pag open hand sa akin

peeves24 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:36:35 AM »

Quote from: manson

anyone here play open handed?

How would you do an open handed roll?
RLRLRLRL?

Or...
LRLRLRLR?

How would your cymbal set up be?

mas natural maglead ng right hand sa rolls pag open handed, observation ko lang ha at yun din kasi ginagawa ko.

sa pag hit ng crash, right hand din ang natural para continuous yung hihat.

kibohead · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2006, 12:42:54 PM »

pagdating sa open hand tech...Carter beauford, i recommend ung under the table and drumming video. ganda man.

manson · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:05:02 PM »

carter beauford plays open handed?

Does he teach you how to play open handed on his DVD?

kibohead · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:36:10 PM »

yup, he plays open hand di ba... left handed kasi siya so he developed an open-hand approach to maximize his kit's potentials. hope u could watch it sometime. sa youtube alam ko meron doon, type niyo nalang name niya.
hipe that helps man.
godbless.

manson · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:39:41 PM »

ok. ill check it out. Thnx for the info

can u guys recommend other DVD's that teach open handed drumming?

Bammbamm · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2006, 01:22:45 PM »

Bro, Kahit cross-handed drummer's instructional DVDs ok lang.
Baliktarin mo lang yung stickings.
Thomas Lang- Creative Control- may part dun na left hand and lead nya while his right hand does the comping.
Stanton Moore-Modern Approach to New Orleans drumming- May part din na parang open-handed ang approach.

Just master all the rudiments and always try to practice with either hand doing the lead/comping.If you want to sound different from the rest of us,drummers, IMHO,you should try to create your own sticking patterns.
Even for cover songs,a simple imitation of the groove is enough.You dont have to play "exactly" the same.

Checkout these open-handed drummers;

Simon Phillips
Billy Cobham

Actually meron nang lumabas noon tungkol sa topic na 'to.Check mo na lang yung mga previous thread.

Sana mag open-clinic tayong lahat na interesado sa open-hand 'no!?!

drummer_boy17 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2006, 08:24:06 PM »

mas maganda when you start to lead with your right bago left.. pero pag snay ka sa left ok lng din.. depende na yan sa nagdadaLA

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Author Topic: Open-Handed, Ambidextrous Approach To Drums (Read 8487 times)