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What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball" ....
or" if they are selling " church used...at a higher price"...
or worst case..selling items that are way to far from their description...(mas pangit)
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What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball" ....
or" if they are selling " church used...at a higher price"...
or worst case..selling items that are way to far from their description...(mas pangit)
Well para sakin lang naman yep may mali nga jan. First is bilang isang
gitarista sa aking simbahan, kahit naman paano eh PERSONAL na gamit
ko pa din yun. Ako makikinabang na di hamak kumpara sa talagang gamit
na sarili na pang simbahan. Yun ang akin lang naman. So dapat iwasan yang
linya na yan kung pang PERSONAL na gamit.
Pero subalit datapwat, kung official na gamit ng simbahan at gagamitin naman
talaga sa gawaing pang simbahan lamang eh siguro puwede ikunsidera
pero wag lang magmalabis.
Sa pagbenta naman. Parang reference niya yun ng paggamit. Nasa buyer
na lang siguro kung pano niya yun iintindihin. Pero mas maganda pa din na
subukan muna bago bilhin. At ang mahalaga di hamak na mas mababa sa
brandnew(depende sa uri ng gamit). at siyempre maayos puwede ka naman umayaw
kapag tingin mo may mali diba?!.
yun lang naman eh opinion ko.
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For me, hindi maganda yung gagamitin yung term na 'gagamitin sa church' or 'sa church lang ginamit' just to get a discount or sell it in a higher price... kasi kung talagang fair naman yung selling/buying nang item.. no need to sugar coat it right? Huwag nang idamay ang kahit anong church..
Remember that our God is just.. so be full of justice also..
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Ako I use "Ginamit lang yan sa Church". Ibig sabihin one a week lang ginagamit kaya 'di bugbog ang item.
Kung personal ang item ibang usapan na :-o
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What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball" ....
I don't get offended when customers use that line on me. What bothers me is if they pocket the discount and don't pass the savings to the church! <_<
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I don't get offended when customers use that line on me. What bothers me is if they pocket the discount and don't pass the savings to the church! <_<
+1 :-( so wrong
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sometimes it pisses me off... kukulitin ka na pwede ibigay sa gusto nila na price kasi sa church gagamitin...
I mean, pwede ka naman tumawad ng hindi na gagamitin yung salita na "church"...
I never do that...
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sometimes it pisses me off... kukulitin ka na pwede ibigay sa gusto nila na price kasi sa church gagamitin...
I mean, pwede ka naman tumawad ng hindi na gagamitin yung salita na "church"...
I never do that...
Ginagawa bang sangkalan ang CHURCH nila para makuha ang gusto at pigain ka, at para di ka makatanggi? LOLS hmmmm MALI na yan.... gawa ka ng KARATULA eto ilagay mo para mahiya-hiya naman kahit Leader nila...
2 Corinthians 9:7
Magbigay ang bawa't isa ayon sa ipinasiya ng kaniyang puso: huwag mabigat sa loob, o dahil sa kailangan: sapagka't iniibig ng Dios ang nagbibigay na masaya.
meaning: Dapat hindi ikaw ang magdikta sa presyong gusto mo... hintayin mo na ibigay yun sayo ng kusa at maluwag sa loob nya... hindi yung ibibigay sayo dahil pinipilit mo... eh nakuha mo nga yung gusto mo kasi napilit mo, pinighati mo naman yung kapwa mo kasi nilugi mo nag abuno pa... edi nagkasala kapa....
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Ako I use "Ginamit lang yan sa Church". Ibig sabihin one a week lang ginagamit kaya 'di bugbog ang item.
Kung personal ang item ibang usapan na :-o
Baligtad ang impression ko. Ang dating sa akin is "ginamit ito sa church... ng kung sinu sino kasi for common use, at hindi inalagaan kasi hindi naman sa kanila, tapos nakatambak lang sa office ng wala man lang precautions."
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Baligtad ang impression ko. Ang dating sa akin is "ginamit ito sa church... ng kung sinu sino kasi for common use, at hindi inalagaan kasi hindi naman sa kanila, tapos nakatambak lang sa office ng wala man lang precautions."
i can relate. +1
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Tama rin. Sa ibang Church kasi kahit sino pwedeng gumamit. Sa amin medyo mahigpit sa gamit at maingat.
Ako mas gusto ko na sa taga Church mapunta ang gamit ko. Gusto ko kasing makita ulit ang gamit :-D
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Tama rin. Sa ibang Church kasi kahit sino pwedeng gumamit. Sa amin medyo mahigpit sa gamit at maingat.
+1
particular din ako (as overseer ng mga instruments) na di basta kung sino ang gumagamit ng mga instruments at well kept. dapat good stewards...
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kaya ako sarili o personal ang ginagamit ko, ayokong manghiram, ayoko din magpahiram sa hindi marunong gmamit, o hindi maingat, at halatang gusto lang alam niyo na....
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thanks sa insights..
nakaka-irita kasi minsan yung kukulitin ka sa mababang presyo kasi daw sa church gagamitin...mind you, hindi church ang bibili ha :-D
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thanks sa insights..
nakaka-irita kasi minsan yung kukulitin ka sa mababang presyo kasi daw sa church gagamitin...mind you, hindi church ang bibili ha :-D
wag mo na lang pansinin after mo sagutin sa una kunyari "fixed na po sorry.",
mapapagod din naman yan. 'di ka pa nagkasala sa isip. hehehehe :lol:
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I don't get offended when someone tells me it's for the church. I am even happy to help out with a discount as much as possible.
If you use the term "gagamitin sa church" but your main intention is to lowball the item your buying, who then is your god? As far as I know, God owns everything on earth, all the riches... Phi 4:19. Don't tell me na "Barat" ang god mo and he can't afford the item your church needs. (which practically is what YOU need" <_< )
But if you can't get the item your local church really needs, it's simple, it's not His will :)
I remember a guy asking me for a discount for my gigbags (and i did),,, but when we met, I noticed how easy it was for him na magmura, (although it was some sort of an expression, jeez it made me regret lowering my price :-( )
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What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball" ....
My impression kapag buying tapos gagamitin naman daw sa church, is that "WTF reverse nga dapat eh!". Kapag church ang bibili, ibig sabihin people are contributing funds collectively, therefore mas maraming pera compared to individuals. I hear churches buying brand new in stores (mas mahal) more than second hand (cheaper). Why sell it cheaper to them? Can't relate naman ako sa aktibidades nila eh.
Kaya, my initial instinct kapag naririnig ko na gagamitin sa church ang bibilhin sa akin, is to jack up the price! Initial instinct lang naman. Fair pricing pa rin ang ending.
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Hi Bro, Musta? Ako naman when purchasing an item, mas preferred ko kung Christian yung owner. My reason would be - 1. Most of the time di abused yung item, 2. Truthful yung owner kung me issues man, 3. There are times that me additional discount (may it be sa item or sa location ng meetup). Aaminin ko din na I use the line "gagamitin sa church" when purchasing an item since as mentioned, Christian naman din yung kausap ko and sa Church naman talaga gagamitin so case to case din.
Pero pag non-believer naman ang ka-deal ko, I seldom use the term "Church" since naaabuso na nga... HTH
sometimes it pisses me off... kukulitin ka na pwede ibigay sa gusto nila na price kasi sa church gagamitin...
I mean, pwede ka naman tumawad ng hindi na gagamitin yung salita na "church"...
I never do that...
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Hi Bro, Musta? Ako naman when purchasing an item, mas preferred ko kung Christian yung owner. My reason would be - 1. Most of the time di abused yung item, 2. Truthful yung owner kung me issues man, 3. There are times that me additional discount (may it be sa item or sa location ng meetup). Aaminin ko din na I use the line "gagamitin sa church" when purchasing an item since as mentioned, Christian naman din yung kausap ko and sa Church naman talaga gagamitin so case to case din.
Pero pag non-believer naman ang ka-deal ko, I seldom use the term "Church" since naaabuso na nga... HTH
Uy bro! musta? +1000 sa comment mo :-)
OT saw your board sa kabila thread... Wow! God truly blesses His workers ...
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ako, in the 3 years that we've been running our store, karamihan ng makukulit, barat at magulong kausap na clients eh yung mga nagsasabing "christian" daw sila, which is sad. as a christian myself, nahihiya ako sa ginagawa nila. mas nakakainit ng ulo yung alam nila na christian din ako, parang mas lalo silang mambabarat, tatawagin akong "brader", na lalo kong kinaiinis
kapag ako naman bumibili ng gamit, hanggat maari hindi ko sinasabi na sa simbahan gagamitin (ako kase ang taga bili ng gamit sa simbahan namin) pwera na lang kung kailangan talaga ng resibo, tsaka ko lang nababanggit na para sa simbahan yun kaya kailangan ng receipt.
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lol
i thought it was a running joke to say that line "para sa church."
i talked to the longest ever running recording studio here in davao, and the biggest headaches they have always had were "people from the church" ... the easiest clients to deal with? "mga metal at maingay na music"
lol ironic ... not that im saying metal heads are better than "church people" ... its just saying "para sa church" gets naive people to believe and trust you despite of the truth, or well, even if it is the truth ... being christian has nothing to do with what someone really is deep inside.
hell, im not a christian - ok, i am, i just dont do the christian stuff - i have never low-balled anyone, or run over a dog or cat just because im "curious what would happen" (as i heard from a guy who was supposedly christian)
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Ako sinasabi ko lang na 'sa church gagamitin' after nung transaction to give the seller an assurance na yung gamit nyang binenta ay nasa maayos na kamay...
Ang panget lang naman talaga sa ganyan eh yung lowballing.
Kaya kung sinasabi nung buyer yang linyang yan,ang reply ko eh "sa church ko din ginagamit bro eh,patas na?"
nakakatawa lang eh kung church member ka,dapat nagrereflect sau yung blessings na pinagkakaloob sayo ng Diyos at di mo na kailangan manlamang pa.
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1) I've used my instruments in church, but I don't use it to make tawad.
2) The maintenance (if you could call it that) of the band instruments in my church is dreadful. So using "ginamit lang sa simbahan" as a selling point means nothing to me.
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I dont use the term gagamitin sa church lol... Mayaman Diyos ko yun ang alam ko.
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mas madali ako magtiwala pero sana wag abusuhin diba...
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Ginagawa bang sangkalan ang CHURCH nila para makuha ang gusto at pigain ka, at para di ka makatanggi? LOLS hmmmm MALI na yan.... gawa ka ng KARATULA eto ilagay mo para mahiya-hiya naman kahit Leader nila...
2 Corinthians 9:7
Magbigay ang bawa't isa ayon sa ipinasiya ng kaniyang puso: huwag mabigat sa loob, o dahil sa kailangan: sapagka't iniibig ng Dios ang nagbibigay na masaya.
meaning: Dapat hindi ikaw ang magdikta sa presyong gusto mo... hintayin mo na ibigay yun sayo ng kusa at maluwag sa loob nya... hindi yung ibibigay sayo dahil pinipilit mo... eh nakuha mo nga yung gusto mo kasi napilit mo, pinighati mo naman yung kapwa mo kasi nilugi mo nag abuno pa... edi nagkasala kapa....
Sa akin walang problema basta ang sinasabi sana ay laging totoo. Baka na generalized na rin natin tuloy. Ang tawaran ng presyo nangyayari yan sa bentahan di lang sa mga instrumento.
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I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,
but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!
before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.
there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..
Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need... :cry:
sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
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I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,
but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!
before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.
there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..
Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need... :cry:
sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
The best
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I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,
but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!
before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.
there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..
Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need... :cry:
sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
+1
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I never believe when buyers use the term "sa church toh gagamitin" possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church,
but if you ask the question that the church would be buying it directly?? never!!
before a church would buy an equipment they always ask for a quotation from a reputable store, then a purchasing team or the church council will decide if the purchase is approved, always the lowest bidder wins!! once they gave the go signal & the purchase was done, finance dept will ask official reciept for auditing in which a second hand seller from PM cant provide.
there is nothing wrong if a buyer ask for a discount or "tawad" its in our culture, but low balling is a different story..
Just put in mind that a seller would not sell his/her beloved possesion if he/she is not in need... :cry:
sometimes as a buyer put your self in to a sincere sellers shoes & you will understand!
I sometimes do this. I'm a pastor. What does this make me?
Not all churches in our country have corporate departments, brother. Only big, established churches have it and quite frankly there's more small churches than big here. Our local church in particular only has a treasurer and some of our purchases, in order to save, are second hand. Not all churches have the pockets to:
1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding
I pray that you don't judge people that easily, moving forward. Not everything is what it seems.
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I don't think that buyers or sellers need to use "church" para makabawas ng presyo. para din kasing gingmit yun para makadiscount e. God will supply all our needs. if hindi kaya ng budget para bumili nun, then maybe its not yet time or maybe may mas mura na swak sa budget ng church ang dadating din. When I sell my stuff medjo sumisimple ako ng tanong kung saan ggmitin. pag binagit yung church dun pa lng bnbgyan ng malaking discount.
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I don't think that buyers or sellers need to use "church" para makabawas ng presyo. para din kasing gingmit yun para makadiscount e. God will supply all our needs. if hindi kaya ng budget para bumili nun, then maybe its not yet time or maybe may mas mura na swak sa budget ng church ang dadating din. When I sell my stuff medjo sumisimple ako ng tanong kung saan ggmitin. pag binagit yung church dun pa lng bnbgyan ng malaking discount.
It all boils down to the motive of the person doing it (using "church" to get discounts). I don't think we should establish a rule on this. Moreover, I don't think successfully getting a discount from a purchase using "church" with the right motives is not "God supplying all our needs." Again, with much humility, my only point is I hope we don't prejudge anyone just because they are not practicing how we do things.
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Again, with much humility, my only point is I hope we don't prejudge anyone just because they are not practicing how we do things.
+1
palayain natin ang isip natin, para di tayo magkasala..
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This is my personal belief:
"If this equipment by the church for the church then leave it as it is"
I usually tell this sa mga stores (JB,AP,PP) etc. I dont want to issue them discount towards me since may budget allocated ang church para sa mga ganyan. I Just want to inform them that this is not for my glory, but for God. Alam ko kasing mas marami silang alam regarding sa mga Acoustics ng church and ako, noobitus talaga, so i personally ask for their advice.
On the other hand, if my equipment is being bought and if he tells me that he is a christian, i would give my fair decision on that. ofcourse lower than my selling price. After all, it will be for God's glory din naman diba? IF i sell something that would help others praise God then so be it. Masaya ako sa ganon, pero if my buyer will just use that equipment for non-praising God activities (alam na natin ung kung anu anu ung mga yon), Its up to him. All of these things are given to us by God to use it for praising him. God's judgement is forgiving after all diba? no one can hide under God's eyes.
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I sometimes do this. I'm a pastor. What does this make me?
Not all churches in our country have corporate departments, brother. Only big, established churches have it and quite frankly there's more small churches than big here. Our local church in particular only has a treasurer and some of our purchases, in order to save, are second hand. Not all churches have the pockets to:
1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding
I pray that you don't judge people that easily, moving forward. Not everything is what it seems.
to pastor skyjammer:
I apologized if you think we are judging, we are not. What we are doing is exchanging opinions, this is a forum and this is what people do in a forum.
In your point that you are administering a small local church, I also came from a local fellowship not even a local church in a province far north when Im still living there, when we decided to buy the equipment's for our worship team they assign "ME" (alone) "one person" to be in charge of procuring the said equipment, I go around music store, classified website like PM to get prices & to compare them, in tagalog "nag kakanvas" I alone acted as;
1. Always ask for a quotation from a reputable store
2. Have a Purchasing Team
3. Call for bidding
as you mentioned you have a treasurer, also acts as auditor, he/ she will be your accounting dept right? reports your church finances.
once I decide where to buy new or secondhand, I still need to atleast present a proof of purchase or print out the classified add & present it to the congregation or to the treasurer, just to avoid doubt.
so I fall on what I stated "possibly a buyer would buy the item then donate it or he will buy it personally then use it in church"
and I do that voluntarily, no pay or what so ever.
what we are discussing here on this thread are buyers who lowball's seller or "garapal kung mangbarat" & using GOD/church to do this.
again pastor this is just a clarification on your post, no bad intentions.
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Ako walang kaso sa akin kung sabihin na "Sa Church gagamitin" or kung ano man ang rason niya for asking discount or lower price, basta magkasundo lang kami sa presyo ok na ko dun. Ngayon kung sinabi ko na yung last price ko at humihingi pa rin ng discount, ibang usapan na yun and either I don't reply or reply respectfully na yun na talaga.
Ang medyo naiinis lang ako kapag ang ginamit na term is "Sa Church lang naman gagamitin", para bang minamaliit ang music ministry, which is hindi dapat.
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Ako walang kaso sa akin kung sabihin na "Sa Church gagamitin" or kung ano man ang rason niya for asking discount or lower price, basta magkasundo lang kami sa presyo ok na ko dun. Ngayon kung sinabi ko na yung last price ko at humihingi pa rin ng discount, ibang usapan na yun and either I don't reply or reply respectfully na yun na talaga.
Ang medyo naiinis lang ako kapag ang ginamit na term is "Sa Church lang naman gagamitin", para bang minamaliit ang music ministry, which is hindi dapat.
I agree with u Sir....pag sa church kung kakayanin mas maganda syrmpre kung kaya ng budget.
Anyway, tlga nman pwede magcanvas d ba? pero I never tried 2nd buying. I always buy dun sa mga suki nating tindahan at regarding sa presyo kung me makikitang mababa dun ako. They will always audit me syempre sa mga receipt and kung me gusto kaming bilin na mahal pinag iipunan namin ito basta kailangan. I never propose sa mga indi nmin kailangan, we tend to have discussions and proposals sa council dahil indi nman gaano kalaki ang budget allocation para sa P&W nmin. Pero i do not want to give God na basta basta lang, onti lang kami sa team at mgagaling tlga mga kasama ko kaya we can compensate na maging maganda yung song, indi nga lang ganun katindi mga solos nmin... :-D
More Power :lol:
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http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=303553.0
nakita nyo na po siguro to...
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http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=303553.0
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yeah! nkita ko yang thread n yan! ung BOGUS ALERT
so sad nga eh
aun! c Lord lng tlga ang nki2ta sa atin kung tlgang totoong Christian musician b tayo or ngku2nwari lng tau sa pgi2ng Christian ntin lalo sa music...
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- I've met to buy/sell with several guys claiming to be Christians, so far, I never had an experience to say the line "para sa church naman" to lower the price. Most transaction i had, we'll just know we're both Christian after the transaction, yung tipong nagkkwentuhan kung san ka tumutugtog. Part ng testimony ko the coming Sunday na Christian yung nkatransact ko. We'll to those who uses the line, God knows who you are and His wrath is upon you!
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What's your take on christian buyers at classifieds, (or they just say they are christian)...be it here at philmusic, sulit, fb etc...
that uses the line "bro, sa church naman gagamitin baka pwede...then they lowball" ....
or" if they are selling " church used...at a higher price"...
or worst case..selling items that are way to far from their description...(mas pangit)
Perpetually annoyed. The gall of these people to negotiate for lower price in spite of the fact that they freely give their money to their church that doesn't get taxed for it.
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i was once a seller before and i used the term "sa church lang ginagamit" not to sugar coat anything pero dahil sa church ko lang talaga ginagamit un keys. personal item ko un pero never ko un gnamit sa gigs or elsewhere. check na lang din siguro ng buyer kung honest din ung seller. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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About these thread,
Well IMO, if someone tells you that he/she would buy the item and says "sa church gagamitin" or "mga christian ang gagamit" or "christian din po ako", it's unto your conviction, if you he give him/her what he/she wants/needs. and the good things is, God is also just, let Him be the judge for all the circumstances of everyone who uses His name/ministry in vain. if you have done your part then you're done, after that God will take care of the rest.
ako i tell the seller na church player din ako, but never will i lowball to someone and use the "church" just to get what i want. the people we're dealing with are doesn't understand why we are sayoing this and might have the chance to be stumbled.
Pakiusap lang din sana sa mga gumagamit ng mga term na ito sa classifieds para makuha ang mga gusto nila, matakot kayo. makalusot man kayo sa amin, kay Lord hindi! ^-^
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aq din hindi ko n sinasabe na christian aq kasi mahirap ma-brand na low baller kasi may mga gumamit ng term na " gagamitin ko sa church " one way of lowballing nila w/c is sad to hear!
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bakit pa kase kailangan banggitin yung church sa transactions e, nakaka asar lang yung ganon.
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Maganda sana kung bilang seller, in your own little way makakatulong ka sa ministry or church na nangangailangan.
Yun ay kung totoo yung kausap mo. Ang problema lang, masyado nang na-aabuso at minsan nagagamit pa sa panloloko.
Kaya tuloy minsan ang hirap na maniwala kung ganyan ang reason ng buyer.
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To the real Christian buyers: Don't pass the burden of "helping "the church/ministry to the seller. You alone decided to "donate" instruments to your church. Now don't use the seller's conscience against himself. Plus, the seller is trying to recover or get his money's worth with the sale. Yes you can haggle the price, but please refrain from using your church as a discount tool. Remember, God will provide.
To the sellers, Christian or otherwise: Have a little bit of discernment. Not all who profess to be Christians are indeed Christians. Sometimes, sellers do the same thing: "sa church lang ginamit yan". It doesn't mean anything. Truth be told, church equipment is more often than not ill-maintained. "Kasi di naman akin yan eh".
To the fake Christian buyers/sellers: shame on all of you. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits. :)
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^^ibang level din kakulitan nyo sir. Di naman ito classifieds, pinaguusapan po dito yung mga Kristyanong buyers na medyo pasaway.
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Seller: Sir, benta ko itong gitara ko, pandagdag funds lang sa church.
Buyer: Ok bilhin ko na. Pwede discount? Gagamitin lang sa church.
Seller: ...
Buyer: ...
Vortex.
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May naka transact ako for drums, sabi upgrade daw sa church pero nag backout kasi budget,di pa nabenta yung kit niya,then my friend warned me that he saw on a fb post na inaalam Nung buyer yung budget Nung is ang guy na naghahanap ng same model ng drums ko,so di ko tinuloy yung deal. It ended up in a church pa din pero yung buyer ko na bago pero he didn't asked me for discounts.
So Meron lang talaga bad apples.
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I don't get offended when someone tells me it's for the church. I am even happy to help out with a discount as much as possible.
If you use the term "gagamitin sa church" but your main intention is to lowball the item your buying, who then is your god? As far as I know, God owns everything on earth, all the riches... Phi 4:19. Don't tell me na "Barat" ang god mo and he can't afford the item your church needs. (which practically is what YOU need" <_< )
But if you can't get the item your local church really needs, it's simple, it's not His will :)
I remember a guy asking me for a discount for my gigbags (and i did),,, but when we met, I noticed how easy it was for him na magmura, (although it was some sort of an expression, jeez it made me regret lowering my price :-( )
Grabe nga no. may mga ganun pala na mga tao.
Ako hindi naman ganun kht naguumpisa pa lang ako bumili ng mga personal na effects ko kahit nabibigla ako sa price para sa tamang set-up sa praise and worship,
Pero I've never thought na tawaran yung seller with the term "gagamitin sa church" para lang makatawad.
Tumatawad ako pero on my own personal reasons.
Tska kung msama man yung "church" na topic is yung tinatanong ko lang kung pasok ba sa set-up ng para sa church yung effects na yun cause I had no idea.
After all, investment mo yun para kay Lord hindi ka naman niya tinitipid eh.
out of topic nga pla
bro may bibilin kasi ako na DD6 sa halagang 4K, is it a good deal?
wala akong alam sa mga price nun eh
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Mga Sir
Is it a good deal na 4k for Boss DD6?
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Mga Sir
Is it a good deal na 4k for Boss DD6?
how is it? cosmetics and working condition? kung walang issue, i think, good deal na yan
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hello Christians, i'm selling me Peavey EXP generation guitar with gigbag + my NUX mg-100 Multi-effects... Bet your offer... ung guitar may hairline scratches but good as new... :wink:
sir, ipost nyo po yan sa classifieds section, hindi dito.
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sir, ipost nyo po yan sa classifieds section, hindi dito.
ganun ba? classified din kasi pamagat ng thread//// sorry wrong number.... :mrgreen:
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During transaction, hindi ko sinasabi na I'm a Christian and lalo na para sa Church., but after transaction, after ma.close yung deal., yung nagkabayaran na., yun Sinasabi ko na gagamitin ko sa Church., at may mga kapatid dito na nablebless ako, minsan nga lang nakalimutan ko na mga pangalan nila, but Gods knows them by name and I know He will bless them more abundantly.
At kung para naman talaga kay God mo gagamitin, bili na yung maayos at wag gagamitin ang Name ni God para sa mga personal, sabi nga sa Bible na wag gagamitin ang pangalalan ng Diyos in vain., minsan maganda yung purpose pero mali yung motibo.
MAGANDA AND PURPOSE, MALI ANG MOTIBO...
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may mga nagpapanggap din dito na christian madami., minsan may nakausap ako., binabarat yung gamit ko., tas sasabihin na ayos lang yung "papalitan na lang ni God". In my own opinion, okay lang na walang pambili pero hindi naman masama ang mag.ipon muna.
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Bago lng ako dito sa pmusic. Pero im a christian. Haha. Anyway tunkol sa pagbili ng gamit ng church sa tingin ko d binabarat at dapat brandnew. Hehehe. Opinion ko lng to ako kasi tigabili ng gamit e(MAYAMAN ANG DIYOS NATIN,HE PROVIDES ). Pero kung pang personal namn na gamit at musikero ka sa church wag mo ng sabihin na ggamitin mo sa church dahil christian ka namn. Hhe. San pa ba db? Ang tapat sa maliit na talento o blessing ay bibigyan ni Lord ng mas marming talento/blessing. :) ,.....
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Bago lng ako dito sa pmusic. Pero im a christian. Haha. Anyway tunkol sa pagbili ng gamit ng church sa tingin ko d binabarat at dapat brandnew. Hehehe. Opinion ko lng to ako kasi tigabili ng gamit e(MAYAMAN ANG DIYOS NATIN,HE PROVIDES ). Pero kung pang personal namn na gamit at musikero ka sa church wag mo ng sabihin na ggamitin mo sa church dahil christian ka namn. Hhe. San pa ba db? Ang tapat sa maliit na talento o blessing ay bibigyan ni Lord ng mas marming talento/blessing. :) ,.....
tama ka jan, pero ako, i'm selling an item worth 32k. Dahil tropa ko at Christian din ung buyer at para sa church, binabaan ko, down to 30k, and ginawa kong 3 gibs.
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Wow. Galing. :)
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nice comment sir @emoks...
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ako ang bumibili more on ng instrument sa church, kinakausap ko ang seller na hindi sya malulugi sa presyo as regular business, if i found out na Christian din siya, sinasabi ko na gagamitin more on sa church hindi para humingi ng discount kundi para matuwa din siya na sa church gagamitin instrument na binebenta nya. and sa susunod na transaction(if ever) ako ang priority niyang bentahan, or ma idiscuss ang paraan ng bayaran...(mas malaki ang natitipid sa tips, referals at tiwala, kaysa lowballing)