home recording po i need help.

[masterkuray]

Iam a good adobe audition user, i can edit and mix sounds, what i dont know is how to record my own music into the computer, should i just use the mic input for the giutars, bass, keyboards and drums or i need to use other equipments before  directly putting to computer but what kind of equipments and software should i use please help me and be kind enough to give me short briefings on how to use them pls reply at masterkuray@yahoo.com .
thanks a lot.

[jaimartot]

pare tol dude.., ito po sa amin nung friend ko.., una sa lahat pangit po ata tol kapag mic in po.., mas mganda po ata kung sa LINE in.., kung ung mga guitar at bass po cguro pwedeng diretso.., kaso problema lng po dun will be ung volume niya.., mas maganda po kung at least meron po kaung preamp para maadjust po niyo ung volume at kung merong effects edi mas maganda din.. =) kung drums naman po.., depende po un sa pag mic po sa drums.., kung ung drums (5 drums at 3 cymbals)  may tig-isang mic.., then kailangn po ng mixer para po maadjust ung mga volumes ng mga drums at cymbals para balanced ung tunog na papasok po sa pc..,

hindi ko po kasi alam ung adobe auditioner.., pero ang gnagamit po nmn ay mga programs ng cakewalk at sony.., hanap din po kau ng madaming plug-ins para masaya.., un lng po.., good luck po!

[Milo]

Try mo rin gamitin yung software ng Cakewalk, yung "Guitar Tracks Pro" (version 3)...

MUkhang analog kasi yung user-interface nun...so mas madali makita yung mga channels ng mga nirerecord mo...

M not an expert on using it...but it looks like a very useful tool.

[bingpangit]

Shoot! tama cla... cakewalk dapat mong gamitin... dali lang cya...

kung pang demo lang pwede na rin ung mic in...tapat mo lang sa amp...sa drums lang problem, malakas ang hiss n single track lang ung buong set... kung gusto mo ng magandang quality kailangan mo tlga ng pre amp...

[jobats]

At yung soundcard na gamit mo dapat okay din. Okay na rin yung Soundblaster na Audigy 2.

[lucy_monostone]

dude, tanong ko ung sa recording ng drums.. pano kung wala akong mixer? ano pwede kong gamitin para marecord yung beats? sorry ha kase nitong araw ko lang natutunan kung pano mag record sa pc so im reaally dumb at this thing.. so ang naisip ko, since dalawa lang ang mic at jacks ko at wala akong mixer - irrecord ko ung drum patterns ng analog sa tape recorder then ipplug ko ung jack sa component to line-in sa pc.. ok ba ung ganon method? kung may naisip kayong mas easy na paraan paki advice nman sakin mga tol! salamat in advance!

[jaimartot]

i dont think maganda un labas nun.., para sa akin.., mas maganda kung kuha ka na isang malupit na mic.., tpos po kahit isang mic lng gamitin niyo.., ilagay po niyo about a feet above the drummer;s head.., tus kayo na maglipat depende na po sa sound na lumabas.., kahit isang mic lang pwede po un.., pero mas buo ung sound (at mas controlado niyo ung sound) kung may mixer kau.., kahit 4 channel lng po - snare,bass,toms,overhead. kau po bahala.., pero kung gipit po tlga kahit isang mic pwede na po.., tpos if possible po daw '(sabi nila) iwasan po ung paglilipat ng sound file (from tape to pc tus to tape ulit etc..) kasi bka tumaas ung background noise at may mga blurs na lalabas.., un lng po..,

hope this helps.., actually nanggaling lng po sa friend ko mga info na to hehe..,

[abyssinianson]

make it simple and get the following:

dynamic microphones > analog mixer > soundcard with balanced L/R inputs > Adobe Audition routed to accept specific stereo signal from soundcard.

learn your program, learn your gear and read about signal routing in the software domain.

learn the fine line between digital and analog clipping.

learn limiting to catch the dynamics of drums WITHOUT clipping your recorded track.

don't get a piece of crap soundcard like a soundblaster or some piece of crap like it - get M-Audio, Digidesign, Hammerfall, E-MU or Creamware - where full digital A/D converters are worth your money. Don't get crap. Buy it once. Buy it RIGHT.

any questions? email me - I work out of my own home studio on a PC Steinberg Nuendo and Pro Tools HD/Mix system. I will be glad to answer your questions.

Just trying to spread the love, man...

[xjepoyx]

abyssinianson is right

make it simple and get the following:

dynamic microphones > analog mixer > soundcard with balanced L/R inputs > Adobe Audition routed to accept specific stereo signal from soundcard.

learn your program, learn your gear and read about signal routing in the software domain.

learn the fine line between digital and analog clipping.

learn limiting to catch the dynamics of drums WITHOUT clipping your recorded track.

Pare if you need help on actual i can help you out also just like abyssinianson offered you. most of my bands recording are done at my place.

Adobe Audition is ok na din for beginners pero try mo na din yung cubase

you can check out this site for steinberg products http://www.steinberg.de/Category_sb5ac6-3.html

pero if ur really out of budget you can also use E-MU at kung kapos ka talaga sa budget mag Creative Audigy 2 ZS ka na lang dun lang din kami nag simula na nakakabit sa pc ko.

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[djhottrod]

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[starfugger]

hardware:

you need a soundcard or audio interface with several inputs. there are different types of audio interfaces - may pci card, may usb, may firewire.  it would be best to get a firewire device perhaps with built in mic pre's and instrument input so you can forego the purchase of a mixer for the mean time.  google those features.  we have a local distributor for brands like M-Audio (perry 8739094), Tascam (audiophile), Edirol (Yupangco Makati branch), Digidesign (im certain meron distributor, di ko lang alam kung sino), RME (mr mike pedero of tracks 6338710), Mackie (Forerunner Technologies, 09189187637), Behringer (Electronic Depot) or perhaps you might wanna check out 2nd hand units.

there is a way of configuring your adobe audition to accept inputs from your audio interface.  the drivers will vary depending on what interface you use.

the most complicated of all instruments to record IMO are the drums.  you definitely need at least four inputs at a time for four mics (kick, snare, a pair of overheads) so an interface with four built-in mic preamps would be very useful here.  all the brands i mentioned above have different models with different features.  choose depending on your budget or needs.

like what abyssinianson said, buy right buy once. if you see yourself taking this as more than a hobby then you owe it to yourself to purchase a quality interface.  most of all, when hunting for equipment always hear out what actual users have to say. their opinion counts more than what the manufacturer says (IMO).


hope this helps...

[KitC]

Wow... someone resurrected an old thread. Don't worry, Hazel. It's pretty easy to overlook the dates; although the rapidshare thingy's gonna tick off quite a few. Hope Yamaha/Steinberg's not looking at this thread.

[starfugger]

darn, Kit, didn't see that    oh well, maybe that info will come in handy for people shopping around.

i think that rapidshare thing will be spidered eventually and people searching for cr*cks might even link from this site.  this reminds me of an interesting SoS article i read last week (have you noticed that there aren't any more back issues of audio mags lately. we found this copy of SoS magazine in Bicol, of all places ).

Sounding OffMr X
Published in SOS May 2005
Soon all software could be Free — like it or not...

Julian Bentwood
About The Author
Julian Bentwood is a pseudonym. The man in the bag has worked for several of the major music software companies and wishes to remain anonymous.

When most of us think of free software, we simply think of software that doesn't cost us anything; those useful VST plug-ins we can download from the web without first having to supply our credit card details, for example. However, there is another, more specific definition of free software which has been attracting a lot of attention in recent years, thanks to a steady growth of interest in the GNU/Linux operating system.

Advocates of this kind of free software make a distinction between software that is available at no cost, and software that is Free in a larger sense. For software to be truly Free, the argument goes, a specific set of freedoms and rights must be granted to its users — including the right to redistribute copies.

Many supporters of this species of Free Software argue that all software ought to be Free — not because this represents the most efficient or cost-effective method of distribution, but because it is morally better; better for society as a whole.
I'm not writing to argue either for or against Free Software in principle, although I think there are some interesting arguments to be had. I'm writing this piece because I'm increasingly convinced that, regardless of the arguments for and against, those of us who use computers to compose, record and produce music may well find ourselves dependent on Free Software before too much longer.

This may seem like a strange claim to make. At present only a minority of enthusiasts use exclusively Free Software for anything, and a still smaller minority is experimenting with Free Software for music. Even these 'early adopters' would probably concede that Free audio applications still lag some distance behind their commercial counterparts, in terms of both features and usability.

So why am I convinced that Free Software is our future? To use a military metaphor, while commercial software may be winning the features arms-race, it has already lost the political battle for hearts and minds.

here's the whole article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may05/articles/soundingoff.htm

well, the future according to mr bentwood looks bright, but we're not there yet.

[KitC]

have you noticed that there aren't any more back issues of audio mags lately. we found this copy of SoS magazine in Bicol, of all places

Dammit! I've been looking left and right for these mags, especially the ones that come with CDs/DVDs. SoS is a great mag, even better than the Keyboard and Electronic Musician that I suscribe to. Their equipment reviews are especially balanced and they're not afraid to step on a few toes.

The only thing keeping me from going linux are the lack of drivers for some of my equipment. Been eyeing Rosegarden for some time now. I happen to have Ubuntu here but I'm trying to find out which distro is best suited for multimedia apps.

The links above have been blocked off by rapidshare. Chances are if you click on it, your IP will be logged.

[starfugger]

yep, me too.  i used to buy them in lots, practically getting everything a store has. lol. i owe whatever basic knowledge i have to these magazines.  when i was starting out i didn't know what compressors were (or most everything else in recording). i just kept reading despite. eventually, i got the point.  Kit, try filling out an online EQ magazine form.  i remember filling one out way way back.  a year later i received copies of EQ regularly, FREE! i think that was some promo or something.  the new EQ format was pretty disappointing though, compared to the old one.  gone are fun section's like Mr. Bonzai and the like.  EQ is very software-centered these days.  

about linux, i did try to teach myself how to get around last year.  i think software like linux and other free GNU stuff made me appreciate commercial applications all the more.  people always complain about windows and it's quirks.  one has to only try installing an app in linux (but first you gotta DOWNLOAD it from the net, so go figure which tar ball will work for your particular distro), and he/she will see just how easy life is in MS.  

i think SUSE has several music applications like a software synth or something.  but then again, SUSE isn't free.  there's one particular distro made for music that i came across:  

http://www.musix.org.ar/  

i don't think we will be able to run steinberg/pro tools/sonar on a linux system though (as of now).  so far the only thing windows based that i was able to run on Bayanihan Linux were old mini games through WINE.  that transgaming alternative does not work without bugs.  at the end of the day it will be a lot less of a hassle to just throw in the towel and cough up the dough for MS.  i'm hoping that linux catches up in the audio area though.  that's what our ailing economy needs ---> a free alternative, so that everyone with a computer can afford to train himself in music and audio (and other areas) without resorting to cra*ks.

[abyssinianson]

I am a fan of Keyboard, Electronic Musician, URB (a DJ culture magazine), Future Music, computer Musician, Computer Music, and Guitar World/ Guitar One. I thought about subscribing until I noticed that a lot of the magazines - especially Computer Music - were rehashing a lot of their material. These days I stick to SoS and Future Music because they still have really good articles that don't seem to get rehashed and actually showcase demos from independent artists.

[smurf boy]

pwede na po ba sa recording itong set up ko:

RME DIGI9636 PCI Soundcard
Behringer ADA 8000
Behringer Xenyx Mixer
PC Pentium 4
ETC. Music Instruments.........

salamat po.......

[KitC]

pwede na po ba sa recording itong set up ko:

RME DIGI9636 PCI Soundcard
Behringer ADA 8000
Behringer Xenyx Mixer
PC Pentium 4
ETC. Music Instruments.........

You got a very good card there although I feel you were slightly let down by the ADA8000's converters. Maganda sana if u were able to get some analog I/O expansion boards.

[starfugger]

RME is pretty popular for its converters.    havent tried behringer though.