L and R guitar panning

[lowtuneduser]

tanong ko lang kung pano ba talaga gawin yun in Reaper 4,kase ginawa ko na lahat ng nabasa ko pero ganun pa din.
eto yung ginawa ko:
set vst's (drums/amp sim) to stereo
guitar 1 and 2 hard panned left and right.

may kulang pa ba? kase kahit naka hard left or right na ung guitar may tunog pa din sa kabila na mahina,gusto ko kase sana yung parang nagsasagutan ung gitara.

help anyone please? ung step by step from scratch.

sobrang thanks.

[acidtest]

i use a different software but i record guitars, bass, and voice in mono. (saves hard drive space as well) it responds better with panning when done that way. i still dont do absolute panning since i still leave a little bit of everything on the other side (or throw the reverb or modulations that way) sounds fuller even with the 'nag-sasagutan' concept.

teka sabay yung take ng dalawang gitara? ano audio interface mo? more details...
 

[alien_inside]

me too. im using nuendo. i also record in MONO except the keyboards and sound modules. DONT PAN HARD. +/-50-75 is good. not +/-100.

[lowtuneduser]

@acidtest - built-in soundcard lang gamit ko realtek hd with asio. baguhan lang kase ako pagdating sa recording kaya nangangapa pa ako.
 dalawang gitara and doubled track each,ung isa kase minsan naiiwan and ung isa may effects. kaya gusto ko mangyare pag naiwan ung isang gitara andon siya sa left or right which is hindi ko magawa. pantay pa din ung level niya,as if dalawang gitara gumawa knowing na guitar 1 or 2 yun.

@alien - yep ganun gagawin ko,magtitira ako ang kaso bakit pag 100% tilted may naiiwan pa din?its more like a volume?humihina lang yung kabila. kelangan ba dapat magrecord muna sa mono bago gawing stereo para mag effect?

any reaper users?alam ko kase pwede un sa reaper 4,hindi ko kase talaga magawa.

thanks.

[samuelfianza]

^ ako reaper. Pwede naman saakin yung Hard panning, walang bleed sa kabilang channel.

[jamming_papu]

my thing about hard panning is that pag pinakinggan mo na sya, specially sa headphones, it sounds to unnatural like you are listening in-between two guitar players.

well, if i were to do a mix na may part na sagutan yung 2 guitars, i'll set the panning to an equal level (like +40 L on track 1, +40 R on track 2) to L and R on each separate track, whether a single guitar track is stereo or mono. magtitira ako ng 'tail' ng 1 guitar track on the other para may impression sya kahit pakinggan on a single L or R. 

[KitC]

@acidtest - built-in soundcard lang gamit ko realtek hd with asio.

Which probably means you are recording via stereo inputs from whatever amp you are using, which may be having some crosstalk issues. when you set up a mono track, use only one channel to record (usually the left). Never record a mono source into a stereo track. It sometimes has an effect on panning, and in some cases, panning laws in the DAW itself may be affected - happened to me once in Sonar 4.

[lowtuneduser]

sir KitC do I really need to record in mono for the stereo to take effect? I mean the full L or R panning.

thanks.

[acidtest]

my thing about hard panning is that pag pinakinggan mo na sya, specially sa headphones, it sounds to unnatural like you are listening in-between two guitar players.

well, if i were to do a mix na may part na sagutan yung 2 guitars, i'll set the panning to an equal level (like +40 L on track 1, +40 R on track 2) to L and R on each separate track, whether a single guitar track is stereo or mono. magtitira ako ng 'tail' ng 1 guitar track on the other para may impression sya kahit pakinggan on a single L or R. 

I agree with this. unnatural kapag extreme panning. I like the mix to sound like i'm watching a band perform on stage. I use a similar method myself. 

[lowtuneduser]

meron kasi akong narinig na foreign metal band na left and right talaga sila,yung panning nila is like +80/-80 then ok naman..yung pag sa earphone pag tinanggal mo left or right nagiging dominant yung kung sinong guitar andon. ang kaso nga lang,hindi nag eeffect yung panning saken.

[peeves24]

i pan hard specially if there are a lot of guitar tracks. tapos gagawa ako ng isang stereo reverb track at dun ko isesend yung guitars.

i get a lot of space for the vocals this way.

[Xelly]

i pan hard specially if there are a lot of guitar tracks. tapos gagawa ako ng isang stereo reverb track at dun ko isesend yung guitars.

i get a lot of space for the vocals this way.

+1 sa akin.

[jet_reyes]

Dont pan extreme, you dont want to hear the guitarist na nag pla play ng guitar sa extreme corner ng gig.  If your intention

of panning is to give depth perception, then there is another technique to do it. by using your equalizer actually

you can place the guitarist near or far. If you cut a little high freq, you are effectively placing the guitarist far from the audience,

the more high freq you roll off the farther the guitarist gets but but dont over do it you might lose too much clarity.  then

pan a little to place the guitarist left or right.

[Xelly]

Dont pan extreme, you dont want to hear the guitarist na nag pla play ng guitar sa extreme corner ng gig.  If your intention

of panning is to give depth perception, then there is another technique to do it. by using your equalizer actually

you can place the guitarist near or far. If you cut a little high freq, you are effectively placing the guitarist far from the audience,

the more high freq you roll off the farther the guitarist gets but but dont over do it you might lose too much clarity.  then

pan a little to place the guitarist left or right.

Sa vocals sir pwede rin maapply ito!! Nice info!!

[jet_reyes]

Yes, actually you can verify this by placing a mic in a room a do a test record, talk to the mic right in front and you will hear clarity but as
you move farther the note seems getting muffled.

Sa vocals sir pwede rin maapply ito!! Nice info!!

[tuligman]

Sir, can you specify whats your routing on guitars and when they are re-amped thru vst amp cab sims?

[jet_reyes]

Sir I hope you wont me mind me asking, to whom this question for?

if this is for me then may I share my setup. nothing fancy I ran it directly to my VOX tonelab then it goes
to focusrite pre-amp then to the R16. should I need processing sometimes I doing it later, but should there be
a distortion effect it always inserted before the tonelab. Im not using any vst pluggins. 

Sir, can you specify whats your routing on guitars and when they are re-amped thru vst amp cab sims?

[Xelly]

Sir I hope you wont me mind me asking, to whom this question for?

if this is for me then may I share my setup. nothing fancy I ran it directly to my VOX tonelab then it goes
to focusrite pre-amp then to the R16. should I need processing sometimes I doing it later, but should there be
a distortion effect it always inserted before the tonelab. Im not using any vst pluggins. 

R16 = GAS!!! Haaayyy kelan kaya ako magkakaroon niyan?
OT: Musta R16 bro solve na solve ba? Reliable ba?

[jet_reyes]

naku dude, you have no idea the fun I having with the R16, so easy to use,.. so portable... minsan nga sa van pa ko nag re record ng voice para
walang ingay hahaha. having came from tascam dp01 its a revelation. dati puro DAW ako kaso nakakatamad yung bang gagawa ka lang
ng short demo mag bubukas ka pa ng PC. ang problema ko ngayon im craving for R24. 

R16 = GAS!!! Haaayyy kelan kaya ako magkakaroon niyan?
OT: Musta R16 bro solve na solve ba? Reliable ba?

[noobie-doobie]

meron kasi akong narinig na foreign metal band na left and right talaga sila,yung panning nila is like +80/-80 then ok naman..yung pag sa earphone pag tinanggal mo left or right nagiging dominant yung kung sinong guitar andon. ang kaso nga lang,hindi nag eeffect yung panning saken.

Bkt hindi nageeffect? may printscreen ka ng DAW mo?
or baka sir cinopy mo lang yung 1st guitar track sa 2nd, same record lang saka mo pina-pan.

[Bone_Modular_Display]

panning 2 guitars hard left to right woks well for parts that are almost identical takes the subtle inaccuracies of the 2 tracks gives it a wide and thick stereo image and frees up the middle for the vocals. or you can duplicate a single track pan hard l to r then nudge the other track just a little bit and you'll get a similar effect.

Hard L to R pans on 2 tracks playing 2 completely different parts often don't work and in most cases is distracting, your attention shifts from L to R especially if both parts play catching feels of fills.   

[Xelly]

panning 2 guitars hard left to right woks well for parts that are almost identical takes the subtle inaccuracies of the 2 tracks gives it a wide and thick stereo image and frees up the middle for the vocals. or you can duplicate a single track pan hard l to r then nudge the other track just a little bit and you'll get a similar effect.

Hard L to R pans on 2 tracks playing 2 completely different parts often don't work and in most cases is distracting, your attention shifts from L to R especially if both parts play catching feels of fills.

Anong panning masasuggest ninyo sir sa mga ganyan situation?

[Bone_Modular_Display]

Anong panning masasuggest ninyo sir sa mga ganyan situation?

not to extreme LR cut the distracting parts