Why you should NEVER get a MAC.

[riffscreamer]

And about "future proofing" all machines are indeed bound to get obsolete.. altho you have a valid point that in PCs you can change part everytime a new specs is benchmarked past your current rig setup.. pero syempre you are bound to replace the entire rig after a while.. say 2-3 years like the motherboard itself, as buying a new Video Card to play the latest games will require you to upgrade your RAM too.. but suddenly mapapansin mo required pala nung bagong Video Card na yun yung latest motherboard or lates processor will eventually make you decide to replace the whole thing nalang.. either way both machines (Mac and PC) are neither future proof.. sa Mac pa nga will survive the 3 years mark na nagagamit mo pa rin yung machine smoothly even with new softwares released.. unlike sa PC na optimized yung software sa bagong labas na AGP card will make sure upgrade immediately, whereas in mac the software developers are bound to support the "generation" of machines released in the number of years, say they need to support all "Intel-Based Sta Rosa to Ivy Bridge Chipset" (late-2008 to Present), kumbaga yun ang benchmark to run that software smoothly, any chipset before that eh "makupad na".

Not true. I have friends who are still using their 8800GT cards and are still kicking. I myself have had my mid-high end rig for 2-3 years now and it's still going strong. The only "upgrade" I've made so far is add two more sticks of RAM. I can still run most graphics intensive games like BF3 and CPU intensive games such as ARMA 2 at high settings. If I wasn't planning on going hackintosh, the only upgrade I would see myself making would be upgrading my videocard. Definitely a lot less than getting a new Mac.

Pero im really interested sa Hackintosh.. kasi gamer din ako, I cant live without a PC rig at home.. and since I plan to build a Mac Mini Rig by the end of the year I might get a new PC CPU to go with my Mac Mini.. ill be maxing out the available PC components by then..

you might want to share yung experience mo using a hackintosh? kasi frankly I havent used one 

I haven't tried using a hack but I've seen recording studios with hackintosh setups running PT and Logic.

You can check ideal builds here:

http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/search/label/CustoMac

[rockophoria]

Not true. I have friends who are still using their 8800GT cards and are still kicking. I myself have had my mid-high end rig for 2-3 years now and it's still going strong. The only "upgrade" I've made so far is add two more sticks of RAM. I can still run most graphics intensive games like BF3 and CPU intensive games such as ARMA 2 at high settings. If I wasn't planning on going hackintosh, the only upgrade I would see myself making would be upgrading my videocard. Definitely a lot less than getting a new Mac.

hmmm in my case kasi ganun ang nangyari, after 2 years I end up practically buying a new CPU since upgrading the components has another component pre-requesite.. I guess because I didnt get the high end parts kaya madali naluma.. but in any case parehas lang naman pala sila ng longevity ng Mac when it comes to supporting softwares.. 

I haven't tried using a hack but I've seen recording studios with hackintosh setups running PT and Logic.

You can check ideal builds here:

http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/search/label/CustoMac

nice! nandito na pala lahat ng guide.. pati kung anog specific hardware ang bibilhin mo.. ayos! 

[kikopal]

Recording and media = MAC
Gaming = of course not a MAC..

[zingapan]

wala akong mac pero yung barkada ko merong 2 cpu ng mga at tinanong ko, bakit hindi niyo ginagamit yan?
sagot niya lang maraming hindi compatible na applications, glitches etc. gamit lang daw nila for editing.

kung meron ako 500,000 pesos siguro PC parin ako.

[rockophoria]

kung meron ako 500,000 pesos siguro PC parin ako.

Thats already a huge amount of money.. in my case if I have 500,000 pesos ill buy a maxed out Mac and PC Rig tapos yung sukli ipapang party ko 

[otep]

Planning to get the MBP soon..

PC user but been using MBP from a friend and it is really awesome. Pero I'll still keep my PC laptop for other reasons...(torrents) HAHAHAH

At first I'm planning to buy the 2012 MBP 13" dual core I7 which is 1499 + NYC tax = $1750. Then checked out their refurbished section. They have 15" Late 2011 MBP Quad core I7 for almost the same price. then changed my mind and will go with the refurbished one Will pick up next week

13" first plan because of the portability.. but dang that 15" specs is irresistible haha

[Santo Muerte]

May nabasa ako na yung mga pinakamalulupit na hackers Mac daw ang gamit.

[surplusmusic]

In my opinion anybody can use MAC nasagagamit lang yan kong saan sya magiging mas comfortable.

Pag windows kasi abot kaya lalo na para sa mga peso earner.

MAC kasi design yan mostly for US, UK etc yong malalaki currency kaya para sa atin mahal ang datin dahil dollar ang price ng parts pero kong dollar earner ka eh para lang din peso sa iyo yan.

Pero kong peso earner kalang na ordinary employee na katulad sa karamihan I dont think so tatangkilikin yan ng karamihan dahil sobrang mahal pag sa peso ang price. 

Tsaka wag ka magbibiro sa parts nyan pag nasiraan ka nyan sobrang mahal ma shoshocked ka ....

[riffscreamer]

Just got my MBP 2 days ago. Logic Pro kills.

[surplusmusic]

Ang Generic pwedeng gawing mac yan hehehehe.... hackintosh ang tawag , research research lang meron yan. No need to buy that very expensive dollar price macintosh para sa mga namumulot lang ng pera yan.

May mga second hand din kayo mabibili na MAC na murang mura nalang sa ebay.com , make sure yong mura nalang ang price + shipping kasi pag nag loko narin yan baka hindi nyo na maipagawa sa mahal ng isisingil sa inyo lalo na sa pinas.

[MayhemKid]

got my MAC this week, planning to get one long ago pa. I think this platform is very good investment if you're more into graphics, work ko kasi usually involves photo and video editing. not to mention layouts pa minsan. di pa ako ganun ka sanay kasi its a big leap from Windows to MAC and I still use my windows laptop everytime I play games or music. hahaha. Sana ma full adapt na ako sa mac before the end of the year well it's kinda OT ha, pero guys what applications would you recommend that is best for MAC? thanks a lot.

[ioffendpeople]

i have to say, wow. i knew Macs were expensive before, but dammmn this is just wrong.

SOURCE

CLICK FOR HIGH-RES

oh wow. i have a bunch of those pics lying around on my hard drive. they're older than the internet, too.

[edalbkrad]

im at a loss, i never understood why people would buy overpriced macs for workstations.
Lahat ng na-meet kong naka mac sinasabi nila mas mabilis daw sa adobe. LOL


For 50k pesos you could either get:

1. This crappy iMac with a small monitor
i5 2.5GHz quadcore
AMD Radeon HD 6750M
500GB Hard Drive
4GB DDR3
21.5" LED monitor
 http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC309LL-21-5-Inch-Desktop-VERSION/dp/B004YKXGIK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342807057&sr=8-1&keywords=mac+desktop

2. this pre-built PC with faster parts
i7 3770k 3.5GHz
AMD Radeon HD 7750
8GB DDR3
1TB HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229318
$949 ang total ng cpu so may sukli na $220 or 9000 pesos pambili ng 22" na LED

Obviously no match ang Mac pagnag-unahan sa rendering time gamit ang adobe premiere.
Lalo na kung ang buyer mismo ang magbubuo imbes na bumili ng pre-built PC.
I could build a 4.5Ghz i7 3770k with triple monitors for a 50k budget

[rockophoria]

^

altho I still have a PC all I can say about your query is.. "Seamless Integration of Hardware and Software"..

if you'l just come to understand that.. that is the reason why some of us would rather spend 50k for an iMac rather than a faster-specd PC.. or you can read what I wrote about the iPad vs Netbooks (page 1).. that will explain well what I mean.

 

[edalbkrad]

I already understand why people buy macs, nawala lang sa isip ko.
but I remembered after reading your post. Thanks for reminding me.

People buy macs simply because they dont know that a PC is faster.
I feel content that i know someone out there is waiting for an hour for his mac to render a 5 minute HD video, when a 5.0 ghz PC can do it in a few seconds.


Its like mac is a Rolls Royce, it looks sleek and elegant, but runs like a turtle.
PC is like a honda, cheap but can be modified to get 0-60 in 2 seconds

[miccheck.soundtest]

I already understand why people buy macs, nawala lang sa isip ko.
but I remembered after reading your post. Thanks for reminding me.

People buy macs simply because they dont know that a PC is faster.
I feel content that i know someone out there is waiting for an hour for his mac to render a 5 minute HD video, when a 5.0 ghz PC can do it in a few seconds.


Its like mac is a Rolls Royce, it looks sleek and elegant, but runs like a turtle.
PC is like a honda, cheap but can be modified to get 0-60 in 2 seconds

pcs are always the best. ang appeal lang kasi ng macs ay wireless devices, tapos integrated na ang monitor at pc unit. mas organized at less cluttering sa workspace. cumbersome kasi ang malalaking tore sa desk space. tapos ang may design lang na ganito na intergated (well afaik) ay ang hp, and hps are generally not known for reliability and build quality (yung envy series na mac design copy ay may overheating issues, sayang competitive sana sa macbook pros)

ps. bro ambilis namang honda niyan, haha. daig pa ang v6 na lambo, eh mas malakas pa ang torque ng mag toyota sa experience ko, hehe.

[rockophoria]

People buy macs simply because they dont know that a PC is faster.
I feel content that i know someone out there is waiting for an hour for his mac to render a 5 minute HD video, when a 5.0 ghz PC can do it in a few seconds.

People buy macs simply because they dont know that a PC is faster.

actually speed is relative to the machine, ofcourse a higher specd PC will perform faster than a base-specd mac, same as a flagship mac will smoke a base-specd PC.. so I believe the argument here is about the "price" but not the "speed" as both are machines benchmarked to perform accordingly to its intended use. 

thus if we are going to talk about the reason why base specd macs are as expensive as a higher specd PC then the answer is already in page 1.. so I guess its really unnecessary to brand mac buyers as "those who dont know that PC's are faster". 

[surplusmusic]

Its like mac is a Rolls Royce, it looks sleek and elegant, but runs like a turtle.
PC is like a honda, cheap but can be modified to get 0-60 in 2 seconds

Medyo nabigla rin nga ako sa sample nya. 

[riffscreamer]

The main thing with Apple is that they like to charge a premium for their devices. When you get a mac, you're not just paying for the device. You're also paying for the "exclusivity" it entails (seriously, 10k for 16GB of RAM?). For less than half the price of the Mac Pro, you can build a similar spec'ed PC. Anong difference nila? You get the Mac OS and all the other MAC OS exclusive apps.

Being a Windows user ever since, and finally getting my own Mac(a 15" MBP), I could say na Mac definitely has its advantages; for me at least. There are tons of useful apps from the App Store. Logic Pro is an AWESOME app for musicians. Coming from Pro Tools, I found Logic Pro to be better and more intuitive than PT. And that's coming from someone who has used PT for 2 years and Logic for barely 2 months. My MBP also kills my PC when it comes to boot up speeds. Take note that my PC has a 7200RPM HDD while my MBP has a 5400RPM HDD. It takes twice the time for the PC to completely bootup.

That said, I don't think I'll ever switch to using a Mac permanently. I love playing games too much.

[rockophoria]

The main thing with Apple is that they like to charge a premium for their devices. When you get a mac, you're not just paying for the device. You're also paying for the "exclusivity" it entails (seriously, 10k for 16GB of RAM?). For less than half the price of the Mac Pro, you can build a similar spec'ed PC. Anong difference nila? You get the Mac OS and all the other MAC OS exclusive apps.

Being a Windows user ever since, and finally getting my own Mac(a 15" MBP), I could say na Mac definitely has its advantages; for me at least. There are tons of useful apps from the App Store. Logic Pro is an AWESOME app for musicians. Coming from Pro Tools, I found Logic Pro to be better and more intuitive than PT. And that's coming from someone who has used PT for 2 years and Logic for barely 2 months. My MBP also kills my PC when it comes to boot up speeds. Take note that my PC has a 7200RPM HDD while my MBP has a 5400RPM HDD. It takes twice the time for the PC to completely bootup.

That said, I don't think I'll ever switch to using a Mac permanently. I love playing games too much.

well said, the mac is a multimedia tool.. that even a beginner would intuitively learn each application almost after using it.. and thats what apple products surpass that others "starts to learn" just now.. "User Experience"

as a User Experience Designer I tend to study products that not only surpass others in quality, but also has an edge on the experience it gives me by using it.. say my PC is pretty much more powerful than my MBP but why do I always make a point to work on my MBP than in my PC? its because my MBP gives me a superb user experience that makes me enjoy doing my job more than I can get when I use my PC..

Oh yeah.. I also love playing games.. thats why I make it also a point to have a PC Desktop around.. 

I love my PC.. I also love my Mac.. its like 2 girlfriends.. one that gives me what I need.. and the other one that also gives me what I need but at the same time also gives me..  "what I want". 

[edalbkrad]

actually speed is relative to the machine, ofcourse a higher specd PC will perform faster than a base-specd mac, same as a flagship mac will smoke a base-specd PC.. so I believe the argument here is about the "price" but not the "speed" as both are machines benchmarked to perform accordingly to its intended use. 

thus if we are going to talk about the reason why base specd macs are as expensive as a higher specd PC then the answer is already in page 1.. so I guess its really unnecessary to brand mac buyers as "those who dont know that PC's are faster". 

My argument is about both Price and Performance.
Any PC user can buy a cpu for less than 20k, clock it to 5 Ghz, and easily smoke the fastest mac in the same year/generation.
My 8k worth PC can wipe the floor with the same generation Mac that sported Core2duos 
If I were to do the same thing this year, I can just buy an i5 2500k for 8k pesos again, a good board for about 4k pesos and clock it to 5 Ghz with the total cost of only 12k

The total cost of my rig, excluding the 3 monitors and external videocard is about 8k
2,000 = unlock motherboard with onboard video
3,500 = AMD Athlon unlocked to Phenom B55 Quadcore
1,000 = 4GB DDR3 1333
1,300 = Coolermaster Hyper212 heatsink
0.000 = I already have harddrives
0.000 = I already have a case
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Total = 7,800




Some examples current generation (year2012) PCs
AMD FX 8150 running at 8 Ghz

Intel i5 running at 7 Ghz


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Guys asking about the honda comparison.
Manood po kayo minsan ng NOPI drag race. Puro 6 seconds sila sa quartermile.
Halos maiwan ang itlog ng driver pag nakita nyo yung mga videos. May nakita kasi akong 6 second honda civic dun kaya yun ang naisip ko haha

[rockophoria]

My argument is about both Price and Performance.
Any PC user can buy a cpu for less than 20k, clock it to 5 Ghz, and easily smoke the fasted mac out there.
Take note that my 8k PC can wipe the floor with the same generation Mac that sported Core2duos 

The total cost of my rig, excluding the 3 monitors and videocard is about 8k
2,000 = unlock motherboard
3,500 = AMD Athlon X3 unlocked to Phenom B55 Quadcore
1,000 = 4GB DDR3 1333
1,300 = Coolermaster Hyper212 heatsink
0.000 = I already have harddrives
0.000 = I already have a case
--------------------------
Total = 7,800





Some examples of very fast PCs:
AMD FX 8150 running at 8 Ghz

Intel i5 running at 7 Ghz


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Guys asking about the honda comparison.
Manood po kayo minsan ng NOPI drag race. Puro 6 seconds sila sa quartermile.
Halos maiwan ang itlog ng driver pag nakita nyo yung mga videos. May nakita kasi akong 6 second honda civic dun kaya yun ang naisip ko haha

dude its really funny, you dont need to show me your rig as I know exactly what you are talking about because Im a PC user too.. the problem is yung sinasabi ko kasi ang di mo naiintindihan.. thats why I said sa "price" lang talaga nagkakatalo since "speed" is relative to a machines "intended" use.. a Mac is not a gaming rig.. its a multimedia rig thats why I said I still love the PC as I love games.. and I will enjoy games more in a Windows PC than a Mac..

A Mac doesnt needed to be overclocked or breach a certain gigahertz to perform a task, because like what im trying to make you understand is the "Seamless Integration of Hardware and Software".. Macs are built to perform optimally on all possible task and it doesnt need that extra kick unless you are a "power user" thats why they have a "base, mid and flagship model"..

totoo a powerful PC rig is cheaper than a mac.. pero it doesnt have that "seamless integration of hardware and software" na sinasabi ko.. kaya nga diba I suggest that you find time to read about it muna para maintindihan mo yung sinasabi ko..

I know PCs.. I used one ever since I had my first DX 486 IBM Compatible.. so alam ko yung sinasabi mo.. pero ang issue kasi dito ayaw mo intindihin yung explanation ko about its difference sa mac.. we not need to debate about speeds.. as relative nga kasi yan eh..

oh another thing.. if PC's have "Seamless Integration of Hardware and Software" hindi na kailangan pang i-overclock yun.. 

[edalbkrad]

sabi mo nga speed is relative to machines.

So if we test the exact same machine that will both be used for Video editing with adobe premiere.
Adobe premiere is designed for multi platforms so there are no advantages.

i7 3770k mac (you get stuck with your stock speed because you are a mac)
i7 3770k windows/linux (clocked to 5 Ghz)

I wonder who will render videos faster with premiere.

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Conclusion:

My argument:
PC is better because it can run the same program faster

Your argument:
Mac is better because it can run the program that was exclusively designed for it.
Which is the same as Playstation is better because it has god of war, xbox doesnt have god of war.

[rockophoria]

sabi mo nga speed is relative to machines.

So if we test the exact same machine that will both be used for Video editing with adobe premiere.
Adobe premiere is designed for multi platforms so there are no advantages.

i7 3770k mac (you get stuck with your stock speed because you are a mac)
i7 3770k windows/linux (clocked to 5 Ghz)

I wonder who will render videos faster with premiere.

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Conclusion:

My argument:
PC is better because it can run the same program faster

Your argument:
Mac is better because it can run the program that was exclusively designed for it.
Which is the same as Playstation is better because it has god of war, xbox doesnt have god of war.

hahah ironic dude because I thought of that very same thing before.. anyways you will eventually learn what I learned in time.

I love the PC, but like what I said in page 1 it doesnt do justice to compare it to the Mac.. specially when we are going to argue about "speed", "performance" and eventually "price".. both machines have their advantages and disadvantages.. pero if we are going to limit our perspective being the typical "user" than the "architect" of the machine (PC and Mac) we will have our own personal opinions about it, and will never understand the reason why the PC is this and that.. or why the Mac is so expensive being an average machine..

lets just be thankful nalang that the PC is cheaper than a Mac.. atleast even the minimum-wage earner juan can enjoy having a computer. 

[surplusmusic]

siguro nasa gagamit lang talaga , sa case ko kasi gusto ko rin magkaroon ng imac for the purpose of my work, hindi naman necessary at requirement sa trabaho pero why not to try it... pero since cannot aqfford dahil as i've said before dollar pricing curreny kasi nila ni base kadalasan talaga market ng mgaq yan malalaki US at UK kaya ganyan mahal. kong dollar eraner ka naman ang sweldo eh kayang kaya mo yan. pero kong si pedro ay peso medyo mag-aalanganin...normal yon.

lalo na ngayon sa hirap ng buhay sayang yong pera pwede pang paggamitan yong sobra  sa ibang mahalagang bagay na kailangan... PC for me as of the moment is enough.

mga cliente ko lulufet ng mac nyon lalake US, UK pa galing pero i've i said before they can afford because they are dollar earner...its easy for them.