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Title: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: mondi99060451 on July 14, 2008, 04:49:35 PM
Objective is to emulate a 16" New Beat Hihat...  :?
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on July 14, 2008, 05:24:15 PM
bro,

hmm... this is quite unusual :)

pero if you want to get a crisp, closed hi-hat sound?

go or a pairing of two HEAVY crashes:) this would give you a crisp chick but, i think this would give you a "clangy wash" when open. . .

the best thing to do, get a NEW BEAT 14" or AAX Stage :D
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: deej on July 14, 2008, 06:48:24 PM
parang Steve Jordan or Abe Laboriel Jr project to ha... :-)
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: mondi99060451 on July 14, 2008, 07:02:27 PM
parang Steve Jordan or Abe Laboriel Jr project to ha... :-)

actually 18" pa nga dapat! hehehe... paper thin's ata si Steve Jordan eh... a lot of drummers are dreaming for that 16" New Beat sound, baka lang marami nang nag try...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: pmack on July 14, 2008, 09:06:13 PM
i suggest any paper thin or thin crash for the top and medium heavy to heavy crash for bottom... imho, hindi masyado ideal ang tunog pag parehong makapal magiging gongy parang doom metal na ang dating.
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: plep on July 14, 2008, 09:52:57 PM
definitely some sort of rock/heavy crash sa ilalim. sa top hihat ka magkakatalo diyan. kasi kahit na medium/heavy ang karaniwan na config ng new beats, di mo masisiguro kung maganda ba ang pagtranslate ng combo na yun sa 16". baka mas maganda na mas manipis para di maging masyadong clunky.

ang pwede mong gawin ay ito:
1. punta ka sa isa sa mga tindahan ng forerunner (let's go jp! hehe)
2. makihiram ka ng hihat stand. wag ka magalala, papahiramin ka nila dun.
3. hiram ka ng tig isa sa mga rock crash na meron sila na 16". meron atang DH, Black Metal, Furia, tsaka Myra. dito ka kukuha ng gagamitin mong bottom hihat.
4. hiram ka ng tig isa sa mga thin / medium thin / medium na meron sila na 16". meron atang SH, DH, DH Exo, tsaka Vintage Bronze. ito ang pang top hihat mo.
5. mix and match na lang kung ano pinakamagandang combo. tapos bilhin mo na rin ang pinakamaganda kasi yun na ang best deal na makukuha mo pa rin sa plano mo.

yun! solb ka na dun.

personally ang mga pinakanakakaintriga na combo dun ay yung
A. Vintage Bronze top + Black Metal bottom (parang gusto ko rin nito ah)
B. DH Exo top + Myra or Furia bottom
C. DH Medium + DH Rock
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: deej on July 15, 2008, 12:31:16 AM
A. Vintage Bronze top + Black Metal bottom (parang gusto ko rin nito ah)

uy, ok nga na combination to ha....parang bigger versions nang K/Z hats nang zildjian or Fusion hats nang sabian lalabas...

eto mondi, tamang tama sayo...diba at home ka sa Stagg na Vintage Bronze? :-)
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: mondi99060451 on July 15, 2008, 10:18:20 AM
uy, ok nga na combination to ha....parang bigger versions nang K/Z hats nang zildjian or Fusion hats nang sabian lalabas...

eto mondi, tamang tama sayo...diba at home ka sa Stagg na Vintage Bronze? :-)

hmmm... tamang tama, I'm planning to buy 16" crash talaga na vintage bronze.  Yung black metal as bottom, hmmmm... so tempting...  :wink:

Sa mga nag suggest, thanks!!!

More! more! more!

Considering Stagg's relatively lower SRP's, mukhang nasa top na 'to ng list ko!  8-)
Title: Re: A pair of 16" Crashes = 16" Hats >>> What's the best crash combination to use?
Post by: $trayC@t on July 15, 2008, 10:15:02 PM

ang pwede mong gawin ay ito:
1. punta ka sa isa sa mga tindahan ng forerunner (let's go jp! hehe)
2. makihiram ka ng hihat stand. wag ka magalala, papahiramin ka nila dun.
3. hiram ka ng tig isa sa mga rock crash na meron sila na 16". meron atang DH, Black Metal, Furia, tsaka Myra. dito ka kukuha ng gagamitin mong bottom hihat.
4. hiram ka ng tig isa sa mga thin / medium thin / medium na meron sila na 16". meron atang SH, DH, DH Exo, tsaka Vintage Bronze. ito ang pang top hihat mo.
5. mix and match na lang kung ano pinakamagandang combo. tapos bilhin mo na rin ang pinakamaganda kasi yun na ang best deal na makukuha mo pa rin sa plano mo.


The above is a good and actual way of trying it out.

I'm not into Stagg pero masasabi ko is mahirap or hindi mo ma-aachive a decent sounding hats with 2 Crashes in those sizes regardless of weight combination kasi malayong malayo ang "Design Profile & Taper" ng Crashes compared sa Hats.

Not only that yung Top & Bottom Hats mismo have Different Profiles compared to each other to achive a certain stick & chick sound . Hats are designed more like small rides in terms of profile and taper which is the total opposite namn ng crash design.

It is for this same reasons why a truly great ride will always make a poor crash and a superb crash a terrible ride.

Though of course there will always be an exception to the rule... that would be more of a rarity rather than the norm  8-).