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Title: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on December 27, 2008, 01:21:34 AM
anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF,?etc "speakers"
walang bias ha?
mid-hi,sub, powered,passive
pero mas ok sna
pagusapan ung pwered mid-hi
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO?"speakers"
Post by: mad_tweaker on May 13, 2009, 08:31:16 AM
Any opinions from the music gurus regarding this topic?
Gusto ko rin po kasi malaman which among these powered speakers ang mas superior in terms of sound quality, reliability and affordability. Mas mainam po siguro kung makapag-share kayo ng feedback nyo on these speakers based on personal experience. Kung may iba pa kayong alam na powered speakers na ok ang quality at di mabigat sa bulsa, much better kung i-share nyo din.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO?"speakers"
Post by: xboughtbybloodx on May 13, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
i got a pair of those grf powered speakers ung tig 400 watts rms.so far ok naman performance nya.we've used it for small events pero since isang pair palang sya strictly for vocals lang ang use since wala padin kmi subs para maka house ng amps and drums.ung last event namin basketball court kinaya naman nya.i willl get another pair soon para di na mahirapan ung pair ko ngayon.balak ko kasi two a side na grf powered speakers and a pair of subs.any body have any recomendation for good subs?thanks hope i helped.hehehe
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 13, 2009, 11:16:34 PM
B3 is ok for us. Affordable, and maintenance is LOW COST... we have 8 units.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO?"speakers"
Post by: skyjammer on May 13, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
B3 is ok for us. Affordable, and maintenance is LOW COST... we have 8 units.
+1
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: xboughtbybloodx on May 15, 2009, 11:05:13 AM
sirs would you happen to know the price for powered speakers na b3?thanks
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: choco_bam on May 15, 2009, 09:39:24 PM
B3 powered speakers
15 inch 20k
12inch 14k
10 inch 12k
powered sub 15 inch 29k

low cost in maintenance
parts available here at pinas
solid body
tremendous lagadag sound
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 16, 2009, 07:26:16 AM
B3 powered speakers
15 inch 20k
12inch 14k
10 inch 12k


u12a for 14T? Where?

Yung 10 inch, bi-amp pa rin ba yan?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: junkers on May 19, 2009, 12:13:16 AM
RCF is also ok pero medyo me kamahalan ang presyo.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on May 19, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
rcf mas ok nga daw, malaks, mahal nga lang,
pag nagcorporate ka, mas naaastigan karmihan sa jbl eon ksa sa rcf kc d nila kiilala rcf , hehehe

anu po masasabi nyo
sa evo at sa b3,
sa music source ata mas maganda sa kanila ung evo
sa ibang user mas ok sa kanila ung b3   :roll:
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: xboughtbybloodx on May 20, 2009, 01:21:29 PM
sir choco ung nilagay nyo pung prices ng br 15 inch na powered thats 15k each right?or pair po un?san po nakaka bili nun?thanks
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: telemetry on May 21, 2009, 12:09:07 AM
JBL PRX Series.. Sobrang sulit :)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: in_the_tent on May 21, 2009, 10:18:29 AM
maganda din daw ang Samson. Mura pa. Di lang kasing mura ng B3.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: skyjammer on May 21, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
EVO vs B3

Well, sa mga nasalihan kong events, EVO had failed a lot of times as monitors. Never ko pa nakitang pumalya ang B3. Well, I haven't had that much exposure with B3 naman.

For now hands down ako sa B3 over EVO.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on May 21, 2009, 11:11:50 PM
about sa power sub anu masusugest nyo?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 22, 2009, 03:59:39 AM
EVO vs B3

Well, sa mga nasalihan kong events, EVO had failed a lot of times as monitors. Never ko pa nakitang pumalya ang B3. Well, I haven't had that much exposure with B3 naman.

For now hands down ako sa B3 over EVO.
Hands down kana? kami hands down to the earth already....
OT: txt me... about the ASTRIX...
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: in_the_tent on May 22, 2009, 01:20:45 PM
parang iba ibang level po ung mga brands na nilagay nyo. siguro kung tipiran walang katapat ang B3. I dunno about the brand SPL. Try nyo rin po.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mixx on May 22, 2009, 01:50:13 PM
for budget setup i guess pede rin po yung spl..... used them on an install so far so good medyo sensitive nga lng sa gasgas pag mobile use
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: salagubanginspace on May 22, 2009, 02:30:58 PM
I would recommend the SPLs.  :-D I have four of the powered 15" cabinets. They're loud and very durable. The only downside is that they weigh considerably heavier than the plastic counterparts...ouch na lang sa buhatan!!!  :-o
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on May 23, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
I think it would be a great time to organize a shoot-out, the best judge will always be your ears......anyone know of a basketball court where this can be done?  it would be healthy for everyone to hear all brands side by side....maybe based on price categories like P0.00 - P25,000, P26,000 - P50,000,  51,000 beyond..

It be great if other suppliers join in and lets have some fun!!

just when & where.

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: Leonart on May 23, 2009, 02:03:10 PM
I would recommend the SPLs.  :-D I have four of the powered 15" cabinets. They're loud and very durable. The only downside is that they weigh considerably heavier than the plastic counterparts...ouch na lang sa buhatan!!!  :-o

I agree pero!! i also have four of them 2-PS15 and 2-PS15A, para sa akin same quality sila ng tunog ng TS360 ng B3... long throw ung mga drivers nila :-D   
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 23, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
I think it would be a great time to organize a shoot-out, the best judge will always be your ears......anyone know of a basketball court where this can be done?  it would be healthy for everyone to hear all brands side by side....maybe based on price categories like P0.00 - P25,000, P26,000 - P50,000,  51,000 beyond..

It be great if other suppliers join in and lets have some fun!!

just when & where.

Make sure there will be a SINGLE SOURCE of SOUND TESTING EQUIPMENT. Hindi kanya kanya. No dynamic processors, EQs, etc......

Any soundplayer>mixer>AMP.

This event will be a great pro-audio show... pero sa tingin ko ( or pandinig ) mas maganda if NOT on a basketball court... Baka mas maganda ang freq responses if done in a golf course area...
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mixx on May 23, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
I agree pero!! i also have four of them 2-PS15 and 2-PS15A, para sa akin same quality sila ng tunog ng TS360 ng B3... long throw ung mga drivers nila :-D   


not sure though pero parang same lang ang mga drivers nila(b3/spl/evo).... OEM?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: Leonart on May 23, 2009, 08:44:37 PM

not sure though pero parang same lang ang mga drivers nila(b3/spl/evo).... OEM?
sa tatlo na yan B3 lang ang meron website. SPL and EVO wla akong makita.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on May 23, 2009, 11:10:44 PM
audio signal straight to powered speaker...no processing...open space.....just the way we like it done.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 24, 2009, 03:40:28 AM
audio signal straight to powered speaker...no processing...open space.....just the way we like it done.
In any location EXCEPT Basketball Court...especially if its a covered court...

Maganda talaga sa garden, backyard, golf course? Basta sa OPEN... Yung walang "reflection area" bah...
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mbenipayo on May 24, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
I would be interesting to compare clarity & vocal reproduction...and weight
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on May 24, 2009, 11:17:23 AM
yehey dami info,
sana makahingi ng discount po forerunner
ty
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on May 24, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
Just some points we would like to mention.   

on the B3 U-Series, other than the U12 and U15 models, most should try to listen and test the U10/ U10a model, it competes well with 12" models of other brands.  take note that our 10" and 8" models use cast frame speakers & real compression drivers...other brands just use a Phenolic tweeter or worse, a dome tweeter fitted on a horn...makes good FOH for acoustic setups in bars & restos and good stage wedges for something a bit bigger.

Then there is the higher model SIGMA Series.   These are wooden enclosures with fly-points.  these models use newly designed cast woofers and a Compression driver with a 2" throat, great for FOH and arrays well in clusters.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mixx on May 24, 2009, 01:46:47 PM
just out of curiousity pina setup ko this morning ung powered spkrs na behringer b300 and ung spl ps15a. signal path is cdplayer-mixer-spkr, ( i tried all music genre ie, acoustic/rnb/metal/disco etc) all tone controls are flat mixer and speakers. one thing i noticed very quickly is the spl has less mid sound (parang nka notch ung mid eq) compared to the b300, unfortunately wla akong rta so i really cant confirm which has a more flat response. my sound level was a bit limited also since sa garden lng ako nag test so was not really able to test the 2 system on its full potential. on moderate volume levels i guess pede ng pag tyagaan pero kung pang bugbugan (high volume levels) i guess it would be another story.... ill try to borrow my friends' b3 and evo and test them side by side again
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: alien_inside on May 24, 2009, 04:36:04 PM
just out of curiousity pina setup ko this morning ung powered spkrs na behringer b300 and ung spl ps15a. signal path is cdplayer-mixer-spkr, ( i tried all music genre ie, acoustic/rnb/metal/disco etc) all tone controls are flat mixer and speakers. one thing i noticed very quickly is the spl has less mid sound (parang nka notch ung mid eq) compared to the b300, unfortunately wla akong rta so i really cant confirm which has a more flat response. my sound level was a bit limited also since sa garden lng ako nag test so was not really able to test the 2 system on its full potential. on moderate volume levels i guess pede ng pag tyagaan pero kung pang bugbugan (high volume levels) i guess it would be another story.... ill try to borrow my friends' b3 and evo and test them side by side again
The garden is the best place... Checking & Testing does not need to be LOUD... the level MUST be "LOUD ENOUGH" only... kasi if too loud, frequencies get disturbed by other freqs...

Thats why there's a line in the specs sheet like this:

Freq Response@... and Resonant Freq@...

Try it this way nxt time if you like...
Speakers must be 10meters away in front of you, let somebody sit on your side and let him talk and talk while raising up the volume...until you get that LOUD ENOUGH level, and still you can clearly hear that guy (speaking at normal speaking volume huh)beside you at least 1 meter away beside you...
And dont sound check in the evening...

Hope this helps...Paki correct if may mali...
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: skyjammer on May 26, 2009, 05:44:03 PM
Simulan na ang CLASH OF SPEAKERS! Count me in agad! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on July 13, 2009, 10:13:30 PM
abt sa parang maligasgas ung tunog or magaspang masyado tunog,
pano matatanggal o mabbawasan?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: skyjammer on July 15, 2009, 10:34:50 AM
abt sa parang maligasgas ung tunog or magaspang masyado tunog,
pano matatanggal o mabbawasan?

hehe! kakairita no? Ako din may mga ganung tunog pero minsanan lang. does it have anything to do with the fluctuation of electric current?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: triciaaruba on July 15, 2009, 11:31:45 AM
i think nga, lalo na pag jbl eon dala ko, dun minsan ko nararamdaman , electro magnet yun eh
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: shaggy on July 16, 2009, 08:05:56 PM
I have been using B3 since 2003, my first pair was the TS260 model. I have added 3 pairs so total ko is 8 units na TS260 for use as monitors or sometime pang-house sa malilit na events. I bought 4 units na TS2123 and so far all of them passed my expectations. Speaking of Clarity, Design and Power Handling , I could say B3 has it all. I could probably compare it sa JBL or EV in terms of sound quality. Btw, for those who want to buy B3, you can buy ke Forerunner outlets(Music Source, SPL or direct na ke forerunner)

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: audioe on October 15, 2009, 07:02:01 PM
So, is there gonna be a shootout? what happened to the suggestment?  :-)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 15, 2009, 08:05:39 PM
I think coming up with a venue was the problem.


just keep us posted.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 15, 2009, 08:45:03 PM

not sure though pero parang same lang ang mga drivers nila(b3/spl/evo).... OEM?


Definitely not. 

B3 manufactures their own drivers in their own factory, this we can guarantee as our bosses go to the B3 factory twice a year for product development & sales strategy meetings.

B3's level of technology has also allowed them to develop, among other things, a bi-concentric compression driver that is being used in their new line of TLA  and CL series line array speaker systems.

B3 is definitely a leader among Asian manufacturers.....have you noticed how a number china made speakers try to look similar to B3 products or some are outright copies?  but they can never get the sound..simply because they use generic components.

anyway, there are just a lot of points where B3 excels.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 16, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
Nexxos and L-acoustics. Nuff said. :-D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: junig on October 17, 2009, 06:17:11 AM
Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"

Nexxos and L-acoustics. Nuff said. :-D

wala naman sa pinagpipilian mga sinabi mo eh. :-D. JBL for me.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 17, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"

wala naman sa pinagpipilian mga sinabi mo eh. :-D. JBL for me.


Wala namang OR sa parameters e.  :wink:
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: audioe on October 19, 2009, 03:33:54 PM
Quote
I think coming up with a venue was the problem.


just keep us posted.

ok.let me work on this one. i'll make some phone calls and try to get us a venue. open air, golf course.

next thing to do is organize how we'll do the listening tests.

let's do this guys. prep up your powered speakers!   :-D

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: sl1200ltd on October 19, 2009, 03:56:57 PM
RCF! RCF! RCF!  :-D  :-D  :-D

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/geminifiend/aflac-duck.jpg)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 19, 2009, 10:25:43 PM
The Music Source will represent RCF, Mackie & B3.

we would want to suggest coming up with categories based on price, this is because most of the time, price plays the first consideration.  it would also be the best basis to come up with the "best bang for buck" product.

we look forward to support this exercise.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 20, 2009, 10:10:05 AM

Yung 10 inch, bi-amp pa rin ba yan?
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B3 15", 12" 10" & 8" Powered speakers are all bi-amplified, and that's what makes them perform better than a lot of other powered speakers.

on the other hand, the passive speakers of B3 have real crossovers, there are filters for the woofer & compression drivers & use hi-grade components.  most entry level passive speakers just use a H--pass filter on the tweeter and the woofer is just connected directly to the input terminals.
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mixx on October 20, 2009, 12:10:22 PM
sir forerunner

yung box po ba ng b3, evo or rcf is made of what material (ie mdf, plyboard ???) lumubog kasi lahat ng jbl n speakers ko and nalusaw yung mga box although gumagana pa yung mga speakers but i think they may need to be reconed/rewired.... im also still thinking if it is still advisable/practical to go branded or just china made...... medyo nakaka traumatize kasi yung baha recently  :-(
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: redjaztin on October 20, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
@forerunnermusic

meron po bang B3 10" powered speakers (PAIR) na worth 10-15k? kailangan po sana namin sa church. tatagal po kaya iyon ng 5-6hrs once a week? yung pwedeng gawing monitor na din po...

pa PM naman po ng prices. thanks and God Bless! :D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 20, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
yung box po ba ng b3, evo or rcf is made of what material (ie mdf, plyboard ???) lumubog kasi lahat ng jbl n speakers ko and nalusaw yung mga box although gumagana pa yung mga speakers but i think they may need to be reconed/rewired.... im also still thinking if it is still advisable/practical to go branded or just china made...... medyo nakaka traumatize kasi yung baha recently  :-(


you may have speakers with MDF, HDF or particle board which, when exposed to water, absorbs all the water it can take and expands and eventually looses its integrity.


B3 enclosures are made of a couple of materials depending on model.

PLASTIC ENCLOSURES

TS and U- Series enclosures are made of high impact ABS. These have also been made to a specific mix so that it would not be brittle as to break on impact.  The ABS used is also produced to a have a certain dampness so as not to rattle when playing at high levels.

It has also been UV tested as not to discolor after long exposure to sunlight such as installs outdoors.

a good example are those permanently installed around the Araneta Coliseum, those things have been there for over 3 years, working day in & day out, getting rain, sunshine and the Manila pollution...and still are OK

WOOD ENCLOSURES

wooden enclosures such as the Sigma Series use 13-layer Birch Plywood additionally protected by tough paint.


RCF Italy

RCF, being the high quality Italian product that it is, uses Baltic Birch for its wooden enclosure and high grade Composite Polypropylene for its ART Series...

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 20, 2009, 07:13:31 PM
@forerunnermusic

meron po bang B3 10" powered speakers (PAIR) na worth 10-15k? kailangan po sana namin sa church. tatagal po kaya iyon ng 5-6hrs once a week? yung pwedeng gawing monitor na din po...

pa PM naman po ng prices. thanks and God Bless! :D

The B3 U10a (powered) is P12,900 per unit.  you could check with the outlets for your net price.  we usually compare the B3 10" to some other 12" competitive products with good results.  B3 U-Series speakers have die-cast woofers (even the 8" model) and paired with a compression drivers.

B3 products are designed & manufactured for 100% duty cycle, meaning, you can operate them 24/7, this is due to an efficient heat management design of the amplifiers which is the cause of many failures of other powered speakers.   
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: MixMan on October 20, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
Guys if tuloy ung clash of the speakers pls post agad and better yet pm na rin me.. :-D

i know some guys sa microdata-distributor ng Electrovoice and dynacord speakers. bka mkapag demo din sila sa event.
tnx. :-D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: audioe on October 21, 2009, 07:42:01 AM
i wouldn't really want to call it the clash of the speakers or a shootout.

the main reason why I'm pushing for this activity is for everyone to find out the strength(s) and/or weakness(es) of different brands of speakers, so when one goes out to buy a speaker for a specific application; one knows what brand/model to go for.

we're not doing this to bash or discredit any certain brand. we also don't want this to be just another "palakasan" activity. we're doing this to really find out what makes a speaker sound good. are the actual models true what to the spec sheets say?

excited? stick around, more to come mga sirs.  :lol:
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mbenipayo on October 21, 2009, 08:09:53 AM

for the heck of it, let's do a drop test as well as it does happen in the real world.:evil:
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: redjaztin on October 21, 2009, 09:34:21 AM
The B3 U10a (powered) is P12,900 per unit.  you could check with the outlets for your net price.  we usually compare the B3 10" to some other 12" competitive products with good results.  B3 U-Series speakers have die-cast woofers (even the 8" model) and paired with a compression drivers.

B3 products are designed & manufactured for 100% duty cycle, meaning, you can operate them 24/7, this is due to an efficient heat management design of the amplifiers which is the cause of many failures of other powered speakers.   

wow....thanks sa info sir. Kailangan pa pala namin magipon pa konti.

Sasagarin ko na sir. ilang watts po yung B3 U10a ang kindly give narin the price and watts of your B3 U12a. pati yung hindi active na din po sa dalawang size. para complete na report ko sa church namin. thanks! :D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on October 21, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
wow....thanks sa info sir. Kailangan pa pala namin magipon pa konti.

Sasagarin ko na sir. ilang watts po yung B3 U10a ang kindly give narin the price and watts of your B3 U12a. pati yung hindi active na din po sa dalawang size. para complete na report ko sa church namin. thanks! :D

the B3 U10 has a bi-amplified 100w + 50w amplifier crossed at 1.4khz,  don't underestimate the amp power, its all about efficiency.  

the U12A on the other hand has a 300w + 100w amplifier crossed at 1.2Khz


if you have time, have a listen at TMS Cubao.

prices will be sent via PM
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: in_the_tent on October 21, 2009, 11:20:28 AM
ano mas maganda between b3 and evo?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aquaracer168 on October 22, 2009, 09:48:37 PM
mga sirs, please rate the following powered speakers for acoustic setup or PA system.

choices are: BETA 3
                 EVO
                 SPL
                 GRF

1.
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3.
4.





thanks po...
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Post by: redjaztin on October 30, 2009, 09:47:14 AM
mahirap yang list na yan kung hindi pa nasusubukan ng lahat....mangyayari kanya kanya nalang na opinion about sa brand. pero mahirap i-rate.

tanong ko po....ok din po ang Boston Engineering powered Speakers?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aquaracer168 on October 30, 2009, 12:57:53 PM
totoo po ba na ang RCF ART-15A ay may built in DSP kaya maganda tumunog?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mbenipayo on October 31, 2009, 02:13:42 AM
Actually, the ART-315A does not have DSP processing inside, it just has a standard crossover and pre-equalization + really good engineering. 

manufacturing everything in-house of course has a wealth of advantages....and that is since 1949 in Reggio Emilia, ITALY

DSP is employed on the higher models like the TTL, NX and 4PRO-6001
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: snyperboi on November 09, 2009, 01:36:27 PM
mga sir anu ba web site ng b3 tnx
 :-D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: forerunnermusic on November 09, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
mga sir anu ba web site ng b3 tnx
 :-D


www.elderaudio.com

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aquaracer168 on November 10, 2009, 04:37:11 PM
Sir ang EVO speakers forerunner pa din ang distributor? any feedback on EVO powered 18'' Subwoofer 600w?
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Post by: forerunnermusic on November 10, 2009, 07:05:05 PM


Yes, Forerunner handles EVO Audio...wait for the new lines coming out in 2010.  Series II and new models

Are you asking about stock of the 18" Sub?  the SUB-18A?
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Post by: aquaracer168 on November 10, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
I talked to one person from One World Music and Sports Inc. they told me that they are the new EVO distributor and Forerunner is not the distributor anymore. Is it true?
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Post by: forerunnermusic on November 11, 2009, 12:59:12 PM

This type of scenario is not new to us......Forerunner Technologies has been in the business for 10 years and it's not without hurdles.


A sales guy would usually say that pitch to get your attention then sway you to other products or they will tell you a long story that their product is EVO but that its of a different brand, make, model, whatever...blah..blah...blah....(at this point you could cut him off and sa "soooo, its not an EVO)....  try to ask them to open it up and see the components, there is a lot of ways to make a speaker look like something but to make it perform the same way and to sound the same way is a whole new ballgame.

Many have done the same tactics with B3 some years back and at the end, people have known and learned that only a real B3 speaker is a B3.

As long as there are resellers & importers in this industry who cannot sell their own products based on it's own merits..... or by having to bash another brand to make them look good...... or to blatantly "steal" someone else' hard work to benefit their own interest, the consumers/customers will always be on the losing end of the stick.

If one says they can sell you an EVO Pro Audio product, make sure they will be giving you a real EVO Pro Audio product because if they do not live up to that simple transaction, they are just out to get your hard earned money....what more can you expect for after sales support.

Just for kicks…..ask them what was the story behind the EVO brand and the philosophy on certain design features, they would probably go…..”uhhhhhhh”
   
Then again, if they sell you something with the EVO brand, they will find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

....of course this reaction is all in the context of...."if someone misrepresents himself" :)


Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: Jef2 on January 02, 2010, 11:32:11 AM
i still have my old mackie srm450s with me.  take note that the old ones are installed with rcf components.  i would say that this is the perfect all-around powered speaker. (for me)

as for the china-made brands mentioned in this thread, i would not make any recommendations.

i heard the rcf art725 2way powered speaker and this is indeed a powerful machine. although may kamahalan nga lang for a powered 2way speaker system but it is indeed powerful for its class.

the qsc powered k-series is my current favorite.  sounded perfectly like my old srm450s.  :-D

http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/k_series/K_series_K12.php

Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: royc on January 02, 2010, 12:27:23 PM
anyone tried the fbt jolly powered speakers? made in italy daw and very good spl
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aquaracer168 on January 02, 2010, 12:48:52 PM
yes, i heard RCF ART 725 sobrang lakas for a 2way powered speaker. just want to ask kung ano mas malakas RCF ART 712 (12 inch) or RCF 325(15inch) ? kasi iba talaga tumunog ang 7 series... 
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: mbenipayo on January 02, 2010, 02:04:17 PM

The first time we heard the ART-725A, we were expecting something a step up from the ART-525A which was a step up from the ART-325A.   But afetr a proper A/B test, the ART-725A is actually closer a step down for the 4PRO-6001A than a step up from the other ART models.

I'd want to point out an example.  The Eastwood central plaza used to use 2-per-side of the ART-500 for live acts...... S-ONE audio (supplier) now only uses 1 pair with improved clarity.

and, as a last note, you should try carrying a pair of this, you can do it with 1 on each hand.  all drivers are NEO, the amplifier is a Digital amp at 19 kgs. each


(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/forerunnertech/ART725A.jpg)




yes, i heard RCF ART 725 sobrang lakas for a 2way powered speaker. just want to ask kung ano mas malakas RCF ART 712 (12 inch) or RCF 325(15inch) ? kasi iba talaga tumunog ang 7 series... 
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: CodeOne on January 03, 2010, 10:43:22 AM
I would recommend the SPLs.  :-D I have four of the powered 15" cabinets. They're loud and very durable. The only downside is that they weigh considerably heavier than the plastic counterparts...ouch na lang sa buhatan!!!  :-o

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I agree pero!! i also have four of them 2-PS15 and 2-PS15A, para sa akin same quality sila ng tunog ng TS360 ng B3... long throw ung mga drivers nila grin   

agree ako dito super ok ang spl powered speakers napakatibay even for outdoor use, malakas na maganda pa ang tunog .....
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Post by: triciaaruba on January 04, 2010, 09:13:03 AM
I think it would be a great time to organize a shoot-out, the best judge will always be your ears......anyone know of a basketball court where this can be done?  it would be healthy for everyone to hear all brands side by side....maybe based on price categories like P0.00 - P25,000, P26,000 - P50,000,  51,000 beyond..

It be great if other suppliers join in and lets have some fun!!

just when & where.



tuloy na natin to
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Post by: forerunnermusic on January 04, 2010, 12:12:05 PM
tuloy na natin to


we're just waiting for a time & a date...and a place :)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: Jef2 on January 04, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
i find the 4 brands all the same and with one common issue on the high frequency drivers - 'sirain' cla.  how du u deal with this problem?  simply replacing the diaphragms is the usual remedy but never the right solution.  du u encounter similar problems mga sirs?



thanks po...

Pls refer to this thread: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,166639.0.html  :-)
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Post by: ronaldium on January 04, 2010, 06:55:49 PM
depende siguro sa paggagamitan sa budget at sa gagamit...hehehe..
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: in_the_tent on January 04, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
Me built in mixer na ba ang powered speakers ng EVO? ano pang brand meron, GRF?
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: ianreyes on January 04, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
kung price ang paguusapan sullit ka na sa grf at spl ....  pro kung quality lang paguusapan rcf na!!! =?  d mo na kailangan itest pa... hehehe!!
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: synth_14 on January 05, 2010, 12:05:40 AM
meron na po bang nakapagtry gumamit ng mga MEYER, DYNACORD at OUTLINE products? maganda din po quality nila... Pati po pala PRESYO! hahaha  :lol:
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Post by: aquaracer168 on January 05, 2010, 12:14:02 PM
quote author=ianreyes link=topic=121475.msg2261284#msg2261284 date=1262608194]
kung price ang paguusapan sullit ka na sa grf at spl ....  pro kung quality lang paguusapan rcf na!!! =?  d mo na kailangan itest pa... hehehe!!
[/quote]

i agree!  :-D
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: royc on January 13, 2010, 08:32:01 AM
kumusta ang frequency response ng b3 u10a? flat ba sya? di ba harsh yung higher frequencies?
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Post by: tjlimjoco on January 13, 2010, 04:13:38 PM
kumusta ang frequency response ng b3 u10a? flat ba sya? di ba harsh yung higher frequencies?

ok naman sir. magstock ka lang ng extra diaphragm for the highs.  :-)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: royc on January 13, 2010, 04:21:25 PM
ok naman sir. magstock ka lang ng extra diaphragm for the highs.  :-)

you mean madali masira or hindi maganda yung highs at dapat palitan? baka kasi mapamahal ako kakapalit :-)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: royc on January 13, 2010, 05:12:25 PM
pag gusto niyo kumuha niyan contactkin niyo lang ako...

aldrin.forerunnertech@gmail.com
:pro-audio and architectural lightings

may discount ba pag sa yo kumuha? balak ko pag ipunan yung b3 u10a magkano pag sa yo :-)
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Post by: aldrin michael on January 13, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
may discount ba pag sa yo kumuha? balak ko pag ipunan yung b3 u10a magkano pag sa yo :-)

oo namn hehehe depende rin sa dami ng kukunin mo..
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aldrin michael on January 13, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF,?etc "speakers"
walang bias ha?
mid-hi,sub, powered,passive
pero mas ok sna
pagusapan ung pwered mid-hi

b3- affordability and quality good na good... kapag nagtitipid ka.. eto ang pinaka-okei pulido yan, yan ang high end ng china, sila ang manufacturers... at kami ang distributers...meron kaming both active and passive;

-Passive or non-amplified speakers are recomended for more fixed applications such as installations in restaurants, gymnasiums, clubs, and theaters.

-Active speakers are recomended for more mobile applications such as rentals as this reduces the need for amplifiers and additional wiring for easier transport, set-up, and pack-up. all active speakers are BI-amplified with built-in electronic crossovers to provide both power and sound clarity...
sa madaling salita, may sariling amplifier yung twitter atska woofer! astig diba? sulit! hindi katulad nung mga nasa raon na capacitor lang ang nakalagay sa twitter hehehe
 
pag gusto niyo kumuha niyan contactkin niyo lang ako...

RCF - expensive pero sulit toh promise... high end products namin... engineered toh..kahit yung ART710-A lang na 549x340x304 ang size, kaya niya tapatan yung 600x445x600 ng ibang brands... for live music toh na pangmalakihang venues na ang tunog eh parang home entertainment,imagine live bands na big venues tapos tunog home entertainment! astig!.. kahit maxado siyang malakas, hindi parin siya nakakabingi, designed xa para magfunction ng ganun...


hehehehe just contact me kung interested ka sa mga speakers na yan..

aldrin.forerunnertech@gmail.com
:pro-audio and architectural lightings
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: royc on January 13, 2010, 05:23:34 PM
oo namn hehehe depende rin sa dami ng kukunin mo..

isa lang kukunin ko pang bahay lang :-)
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: ronaldium on January 13, 2010, 11:44:23 PM
@Aldrin - about the RCF speakers, That is so TRUE! galeng nga ng mga powered speakers na yan, mahirap sirain...hehehe...di pa kasi ako nasiraan ng ganun before. Ang ganda ng response niya...Italians have good taste in sound di lang sa pasta.hehehe...
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aldrin michael on January 14, 2010, 11:12:25 AM
isa lang kukunin ko pang bahay lang :-)

oh yeah good yan! for home entertainment b3 hehehe hanep... pulido yun... baka yumugyug bahay nyo hehehe

pero mas okei kung sa store ka nalang kumuha... hehehe eto yung mga stores...

The Music Source-Ali Mall, Cubao/ T: 4377798     SPL Marketing-Raon, Manila/ T: 735-5440     Hifi Lounge-Festival Mall/ T: 842-8133     One Stop Music-Royale Place Mall, Commonwealth Ave./ T: 9317570/ 3912141
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Post by: royc on January 14, 2010, 11:15:27 AM
oh yeah good yan! for home entertainment b3 hehehe hanep... pulido yun... baka yumugyug bahay nyo hehehe

pero mas okei kung sa store ka nalang kumuha... hehehe eto yung mga stores...

The Music Source-Ali Mall, Cubao/ T: 4377798     SPL Marketing-Raon, Manila/ T: 735-5440     Hifi Lounge-Festival Mall/ T: 842-8133     One Stop Music-Royale Place Mall, Commonwealth Ave./ T: 9317570/ 3912141

haha di home entertainment. plug ko acoustic at electric guitar, drum machine at vocals :-)

tnx sa info evaluate ko kasi options ko might drop by to hear the sound quality
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Post by: aldrin michael on January 14, 2010, 11:34:22 AM
haha di home entertainment. plug ko acoustic at electric guitar, drum machine at vocals :-)

tnx sa info evaluate ko kasi options ko might drop by to hear the sound quality

ahhh.. hehehe i see.. yun naman pala eh.. okei na yun.. pair na dapat bilhin mo... good yun para if ever sa future may live jaming kayo outdoors... astig yun..
Title: Re: anu mas ok, GRF, B3, EVO,PHONIC, BEHRINGER, CROWN, LIVE,jBL, RCF?"speakers"
Post by: aldrin michael on January 14, 2010, 11:49:48 AM
@Aldrin - about the RCF speakers, That is so TRUE! galeng nga ng mga powered speakers na yan, mahirap sirain...hehehe...di pa kasi ako nasiraan ng ganun before. Ang ganda ng response niya...Italians have good taste in sound di lang sa pasta.hehehe...

tumpak!... nakuha mo yung punto.. pasta italiana - ampli italiani! hehehehee
kaya yung iba djan mag RCF na kayo hehehe sulit sobra