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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: titser_marco on March 07, 2006, 12:07:51 PM
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Please help me decide.
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just fyi, if you get a Peavey and then wish to change/upgrade speakers later on, mas mahirap maghanap ng 16 ohm speakers, unless you special order it abroad. Whereas Fenders and Marshalls require 8 ohms which can sometimes be found slightly used locally.
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i'd go for the classic 30.
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is the JCM 900 4501 a combo? sorry too lazy too google..
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is the JCM 900 4501 a combo? sorry too lazy too google..
yea. 50 watter
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sa Peavey ako.
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never tried both...
but i'll go with JCM
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Around 18k pareho? Go with Peavey! Ako bibili ng Marshall! Hehehehe.
Nice!
(http://www.drtube.com/schematics/marshall/4501-pic.jpg)
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depende sa style ng music mo.. the peavey is more for bluesy type crunch.. while the marshall jcm900 is really made for high gain..
look at the power tubes, ECC5881 vs EL84?
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guys, you all have been helpful. Thank you. I'm off to test the peavey now. and the marshall will be on sat. thanks again mates!
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well if its based on looks, how the hell can you beat this:
(http://www.halkans.com/images3/849peavey.jpg)
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titser_marco, should you decide to go with Peavey, baka naman pwede mahingi contact number nung nagbebenta ng Marshall. I hope you don't find this post rude, offensive, anything... Thanks!
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marshalls all the way 8)
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yeah, I love Marshalls as well. but this particular Marshall, the JCM900, has a tainted reputation.
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Titser Marco,
Try both with your favorite guitar and then decide for yourself. If you can test both in a band setting, it would be better. I have heard the 4501 but maybe the Peavey Classic 30 has its own unique thing going for it which you may or may not like. If you had more money, go for both, paramababad ka talang sa dalawang amps and later on sell the one you least liked.
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Titser Marco,
Try both with your favorite guitar and then decide for yourself. If you can test both in a band setting, it would be better. I have heard the 4501 but maybe the Peavey Classic 30 has its own unique thing going for it which you may or may not like. If you had more money, go for both, paramababad ka talang sa dalawang amps and later on sell the one you least liked.
Thanks man. I would have done that if I could, really. But you know, bills and stupid [gooey brown stuff] like that get in the way. :)
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yeah, I love Marshalls as well. but this particular Marshall, the JCM900, has a tainted reputation.
Hmm, can you give me more info on this? Thanks.
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titser_marco, should you decide to go with Peavey, baka naman pwede mahingi contact number nung nagbebenta ng Marshall. I hope you don't find this post rude, offensive, anything... Thanks!
Surely dude, after I test both. Might be able to make a decision next week, though. And no offense taken, mate. :D
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Is this the JCM 900 for sale by WB? If so... there's something wrong with that one...
para di masayang oras ng prospective buyers and seller, i volunteer the ff. info...
my cousin and my officemate both tested this particular amp separately. Sounded very weak and made intermittent weird sounds. At the very least, replacement of tubes may be needed. As to whether the intermittent noises will be cured by a tube swap remains to be seen. Bring along an amp tech if possible so you can have some idea of how much more you might need to spend to get it in proper working order.
If this is another JCM 900, then disregard my info above...
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yeah, I love Marshalls as well. but this particular Marshall, the JCM900, has a tainted reputation.
Hmm, can you give me more info on this? Thanks.
Nag-google ako medyo maraming ngang reklamo. Basically, yung 2 channels sharing the same EQ at saka yung distortion galing daw sa built-in na op-amp distortion box at hindi mismo sa tubo.
Read more dito:
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=c2e8e8a4f0c280f38183e367e44844fc&postid=538417
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sa op amp talaga nang gagaling yung distortion..
yung tubes sa power
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yeah. it uses solid-state clipping to further increase gain. but hey, so does the Mesa Dual and Triple Rectifier. the problem with Marshall back then was that they weren't open with that. people had to figure that detail out themselves.
in any case, it doesn't matter if you end up liking its sound, right?
i haven't used a JCM900. but i've used a Classic 30 and i liked it a lot. that's why in your place, i'd check that out first.
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kung JCM 800 yan, hands down sana sa marshall ako...but a 900, medyo nahaharsh-an ako sa distortion nya and di gano maganda yung clean channel...
if you will be using pedals, for starters mas ok kung maganda yung clean channel di ba? this is where the Classic 30 has an advantage over the JCM 900...
so vote for the peavey here.
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choose whichever one you think sounds better. who cares about looks? however, if the thing had tits on it and an nice butt, then I would pick that one over the crappy one, of course:)
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Don't forget to bring YOUR guitar. That's the other half of the equation.
Don't use any pedals at all. This will "hide" the natural sound of the amp.
I'll go with Peavey Classic 30. The 900 is good for hi-gain if you're planning to use it as a stand alone gain, but for good clean tones, Peavey works well, just add a distortion box and you're done.
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Marshall!!! :twisted:
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IMHO the peavey would be the better all around amp. the clean channel breaks up nicely around the 5-6 level on the clean channel so if you dont like channel switching, just add a OD or Dist pedal and you've got pure bliss at the step of a button..
the 2nd channel has a post and pre gain knob so you can pretty much dial in as much gain as you want (but probably not as much as the JCM900? want more gain? use a pedal). and being low-wattage.. this will sound sweeet! is the marshall a 50 or 100 watt combo? (again too lazy to google)
vote for the peavey all the way..
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but of course.. YMMV ;)
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Thanks guys!
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Don't forget to bring YOUR guitar. That's the other half of the equation.
Don't use any pedals at all. This will "hide" the natural sound of the amp.
I'll go with Peavey Classic 30. The 900 is good for hi-gain if you're planning to use it as a stand alone gain, but for good clean tones, Peavey works well, just add a distortion box and you're done.
But I use a lot of pedals. thanks a lot for the suggestion anyway.
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Sir,
If you're using a lot of pedals, I suggest you get the peavey coz jcm900s really dont have a clean channel, they placed clipping diodes on their clean channel thats why it still breaks up a little bit. And I only appreciate the 900 on high levels, only then that the true high gain sound get it's body or fatness, and yes they have maintenance problems coz they used low end controls, very easy to get noise. Hope this helps. :P
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Guys, I just tested the peavey and it sounds pretty good - with JJ tubes (what the [strawberry] are they anyway? anyone care to tell? :), that is. The seller told me that he's not including them in the amp and put the stock tubes instead. What do you think? Are the stock tubes of the Peavey good enough? How much would it cost to replace all the 7 tubes (3 12ax7's and 4 EL34's (? or are they EL 84's) Of course, I'll be testing it with the stock tubes once he puts them in.
Thanks for all of your replies and feel free to give more information not just for my benefit but for others who are scavenging for an amp as well. This is going to be my first valve amp and I really want to make sure that I'm getting the most of my hard-earned cash.
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from what i heard the stock tubes are decent enough.. but changing tubes still is a must..
and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
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from what i heard the stock tubes are decent enough.. but changing tubes still is a must..
and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
my classic 30 had Sovtek EL84s and Sovtek 12AX7s orignally, i've replaced the output tubes to GTs.
JJ's are Czech made from memory? Probably in the same league as Sovteks. i might be wrong tho, i've never really replaced any of my amps tubes, they dont last long enough to matter.
unless those output and preamp tubes are over 2 years old and have been well used, they should still be ok.. preamp tubes hardly ever need to be replaced.
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and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
with newer peavey's they've actually added a tube guard so the tubes dont get hit since it is an open back chassis.
again, i've never owned a peavey tube amp long enough to have this problem.
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and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
with newer peavey's they've actually added a tube guard so the tubes dont get hit since it is an open back chassis.
again, i've never owned a peavey tube amp long enough to have this problem.
The last time I bought a matching quad JJ's I paid $60. 12ax7s JJ's run around $15 each.
Bakit hindi kasama ang tubes? Well, palit nalang nga ng tubes. Sigurado ka pang bago.
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and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
with newer peavey's they've actually added a tube guard so the tubes dont get hit since it is an open back chassis.
again, i've never owned a peavey tube amp long enough to have this problem.
The last time I bought a matching quad JJ's I paid $60. 12ax7s JJ's run around $15 each.
Bakit hindi kasama ang tubes? Well, palit nalang nga ng tubes. Sigurado ka pang bago.
well if it sounds good with the stock tubes, why change them right?
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from what i heard the stock tubes are decent enough.. but changing tubes still is a must..
and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
my classic 30 had Sovtek EL84s and Sovtek 12AX7s orignally, i've replaced the output tubes to GTs.
JJ's are Czech made from memory? Probably in the same league as Sovteks. i might be wrong tho, i've never really replaced any of my amps tubes, they dont last long enough to matter.
unless those output and preamp tubes are over 2 years old and have been well used, they should still be ok.. preamp tubes hardly ever need to be replaced.
Where can I buy tubes here in Manila? Thanks.
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and the problem with peavey is the tubes socket and clips.. it rattles overtime and doesnt hold tubes firmly
with newer peavey's they've actually added a tube guard so the tubes dont get hit since it is an open back chassis.
again, i've never owned a peavey tube amp long enough to have this problem.
The last time I bought a matching quad JJ's I paid $60. 12ax7s JJ's run around $15 each.
Bakit hindi kasama ang tubes? Well, palit nalang nga ng tubes. Sigurado ka pang bago.
Yea, I just have to hear it really soon :)
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in teh makati area, you can buy tubes in Audiophile MCS branch or in Phasetron in the Glorietta Park Square
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Hey titser_marco, I was in the same boat as you are a few months ago except my choice was to keep or sell my JCM900 4101 (100 watt combo) for a new amp. Eventually after lots of research around the net I sold my JCM900 to a friend and purchased a...........Peavey Classic 30!
Ok both are generally good amps. Ive had my JCM for 6 years and brought it frequently to gigs and practice. Lots of bumps, people borrowing it, cranking it, sitting on it, etc. and not even once did it break down. So reliability wise I'd say this amp goes to 11. Can't really comment on reliability of the Peavey since I only had it for a month.
Tonewise, the JCM900 had excellent distortion. Thick and warm, not super high gain but enough to cover your basic punk and hardcore distortion. Listen to Silverchair's Frogstomp, Green Day's Dookie, Thursday's Full Collapse, thats a JCM900 speaking. But take note, to get that sweet drive the amp has to cranked or at least on 5, at bedroom levels they sound ok. Yes these amps use diode-clipping and not a straight tube path to help it distort but that did not bother me since its basically the same principle as adding a dirt box on the clean to get your distortion. Besides the Marshall Jubilee, Slash's amp, also uses solid state devices to add more gain. This is why cranking this amp sounds better since you start to give the power tubes a good workout. If you want pure tube tone out of this amp you need to crank the clean channel. I believe diode clipping is not used for this channel so your just hearing the tubes. If you decide to get this amp, look for ones with EL34 tubes. Mine came stock with 5881 and I had it modified by Lito Bote to fit EL34's. Many would say that these tubes are the heart of the classic Marshall sound. It made the amp more balanced sounding.
The reason why I sold this amp was because I thought the clean was sterile sounding. No matter what I did, it lacked depth. So I needed an amp with a good clean channel and drive and ended up the the Classic 30. The clean, although not as sparkly as Fender, had a lot of body and depth. Very warm and the highs are sweet, not piercing. It takes pedals very well, I'd say better than the JCM. The drive channel is where its also happening. It does not have the gain of the 900 but its voicing IMO is similar, again thick and ballsy however when cranked, the highs can get too sharp. To combat this I thought about a tube upgrade so I contacted Bob at eurotubes.com and ordered a set of tubes. He only stocks JJ tubes and based on other forums on the net this brand is supposed to be the best for the Classic 30. And yes you can order them from the Pinas. A set costs $62+$15 Global Priority shipping + P1200 customs and taxes. Took about one week and a half to arrive. Slapped them on the amp and the stabbing highs on the drive channel was gone. Overall the amp sounded great after a tube upgrade. And what I know is that the Classice 30 uses an all tube path throughout so you're getting pure tube tone from both channels. If you think it sounds good stock it sounds great after the upgrade. Again IMO.
So it all boils down to what you're after. If you play mostly rock/punk/hardcore with a lot of distortion and little clean I'd say get the JCM900. If you want a good all around amp that works well on both channels and can take pedals well go for the Classic 30 w/tube upgrade. Don't let the 30 watts fool you, this thing is LOUD! The clean breaks up at around 5 but thats already too loud for most band settngs. The volume on 3 on the clean can compete with a heavy drummer. Good luck and most of all take your time. I never regretted selling the JCM for the Classic 30.
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marco,
the only "bad" thing about the jcm900 4501 is it's power tubes. with the 5881, it isn't a very "marshall" marshall. 5881s are more associated with fenders. im not sure if they're equipped with celestions, but at least im sure they're 12-inch speakers.
the classic 30 have EL84s which are associated with voxs, are like EL34s with less current draw... it's nice, but not quite to my taste which is already quite accustomed to the EL34s. not sure if you would love those blue marvel speakers too. not sure if they're 10 inches.
of course, 50 vs 30 watts is another thing that you might want to consider.
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Hey very nice info guys! Thanks!
By the way, I contacted that German prick Tom (yes, he can be bery rude on the phone) and told me that he has several amps that fit my budget:
1971 Fender Champ - 12w, 1x8in speaker.
1995 Fender VibroSonic - 120w, 1x15in speraker.
Fender Bassman 10 - Forgot the wattage, 4x10 in. speaker.
Musicman 112RD - 65w, 1x12in speaker.
Now, any opinions on this? I know I'm getting to be very annoying but I REALLY want to make sure that the money I spend on this amp will be worth it because this'll be my first tube amp.
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peavey classic 30
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Hey very nice info guys! Thanks!
By the way, I contacted that German prick Tom (yes, he can be bery rude on the phone) and told me that he has several amps that fit my budget:
1971 Fender Champ - 12w, 1x8in speaker.
1995 Fender VibroSonic - 120w, 1x15in speraker.
Fender Bassman 10 - Forgot the wattage, 4x10 in. speaker.
Musicman 112RD - 65w, 1x12in speaker.
Now, any opinions on this? I know I'm getting to be very annoying but I REALLY want to make sure that the money I spend on this amp will be worth it because this'll be my first tube amp.
whoa! tell me which one you're getting... i might pay tom a visit...
i wanna check that that musicman (it's a hybrid) and vibrosonic (i'll look it up, but the 1x15 just gave me a hard on)
problem is, they're probably too heavy and/or bulky for me... oh well...
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Hey very nice info guys! Thanks!
By the way, I contacted that German prick Tom (yes, he can be bery rude on the phone) and told me that he has several amps that fit my budget:
1971 Fender Champ - 12w, 1x8in speaker.
1995 Fender VibroSonic - 120w, 1x15in speraker.
Fender Bassman 10 - Forgot the wattage, 4x10 in. speaker.
Musicman 112RD - 65w, 1x12in speaker.
Now, any opinions on this? I know I'm getting to be very annoying but I REALLY want to make sure that the money I spend on this amp will be worth it because this'll be my first tube amp.
whoa! tell me which one you're getting... i might pay tom a visit...
i wanna check that that musicman (it's a hybrid) and vibrosonic (i'll look it up, but the 1x15 just gave me a hard on)
problem is, they're probably too heavy and/or bulky for me... oh well...
Sure, I'll give you feedback immediately. Thanks
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Sure, I'll give you feedback immediately. Thanks
cool.
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Peavey's are more straightforward than Marshalls...you'd be paying more for the Marshall just because it has that on it's nameplate.
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I have yet to hear a Peavey as good or close sounding as a Marshall Super Lead Head.
Point is that you are not just paying for a nameplate but ideally paying for the expertise and hopefully Jim Marshall's ear for distortion -- ideally because sometimes they make mistakes in their voicing.
But I think Peavey also makes some good tube amps that do overdrive and distortion.
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I have yet to hear a Peavey as good or close sounding as a Marshall Super Lead Head.
For all I know, you could be right.
However, marco was choosing between a Peavey Classic 30 and a Marshall JCM900 Combo, not a Super Lead Head.
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Hey hey [strawberry], before you turn this thread into another flamed and ruined one, I command you to stop it. All opinions are welcome - whether it comes from someone who has played a thousand tube amps or one who has played only several. The phrase "all ears" takes on a new meaning here. Thanks.
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im marshall guy...
but if i were to choose between the two...
i'd get the Classic 30!
has more balls than the 4501
:twisted:
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Hey very nice info guys! Thanks!
By the way, I contacted that German prick Tom (yes, he can be bery rude on the phone) and told me that he has several amps that fit my budget:
1971 Fender Champ - 12w, 1x8in speaker.
1995 Fender VibroSonic - 120w, 1x15in speraker.
Fender Bassman 10 - Forgot the wattage, 4x10 in. speaker.
Musicman 112RD - 65w, 1x12in speaker.
Now, any opinions on this? I know I'm getting to be very annoying but I REALLY want to make sure that the money I spend on this amp will be worth it because this'll be my first tube amp.
1971 Fender Champ.. --> do you really want a 70s amp? and with a single 8" speaker.. i dunno.. is this the one with justa volume and tone pot? no Eq..
VibroSonic.. no comment, never heard/seen/tried one..
Fender Bassman.. --> this could be the shizzle.. but from a Fender Blues Deville 410 that i tried, it kinda lacked bass..but then that's what the bass player is for.. might be a bit expensive tho.. reissue or orig?
Musicman.. No comment.
I tell you, none of those amps have anything on the Peavey..
i say peavey all the way.. again ymmv. i just think the peavey is a better all around amp.. refer to caloyburger's post.. just ignore "oasgomez" he might get you to buy a bogner.
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I voted for the Peavey a while back...now im stunned in seeing a Musicman in the new list of choices..
its EL34's vs 6L6's ... hmmm i change my vote... Go get the Musicman dude!
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which set of tubes are more difficult to buy here in the Philippines? the EL34's or the 6L6's?
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which set of tubes are more difficult to buy here in the Philippines? the EL34's or the 6L6's?
in my experience, the 6L6s. mas malakas ata demand for EL34s e.