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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: fingertapper1 on March 16, 2006, 07:47:27 PM
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mga sir how do i achieve a certain tone? right now kasi im using an morley bad horsie wah -> mt-2 -> ch-1 in gigs... it sounds great pero medyo nagsawa na ko eh. it sounds too metal na eh. mga tipong pang pantera at power metal. the problem i have is with my mt-2 wala na masyadong tones na magawa. may ge-7 ako pero sobrang ingay. nung may ns-2 naman ako di ko trip yung tunog, nasusuckout yung tone eh.
anyway, what do you think? should i get a new od/dist pedal(ts9?) or a pickup. my band plays anything from metal to rock to alt. and my other band plays classic rock. gusto ko sana yung tone ni michael schenker. ang linaw nung notes eh at parang ang fat nung tone pag nagsosolo. ok din yung sound na parang razorback and gnr.
o nga pala i use an rg 320dxqm and rg770... also have a newly acquired ax1500g but im not impressed with it's sound.
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better give that korg another chance... kung wala ka talagang makuhang sound na gusto mo, explore more pedals...
yung bands/artist na mention mo, i think they dont usually put too much distortion or gain(schenker, razorback, gnr) kaya malinaw ang sound nila..try it with your MT2, ibaba mo yung gain/distortion settings..or better yet, experiment ka ng OD pedals...
in the end, its really up to you pa rin how you want to sound like.
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sige sir hehe ill try to fiddle with it. and yes i know na halos guitar -> guitar tube amp lang ata setup nila schenker,razorbback at gnr e... iba talaga tube amp.sige ill try a ts9.
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Dalhin mo sa kin, lets do the asymmetric clip mod on your MT2 :D. Sure did work magic on Tubescreamers and DS-1's :D . Sound will be more "open" and "warm". Such a simple mod could do so much wonders :D.
BAMF
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sir bamf, mga how much would it cost kaya?
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
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try mo yung "fat dist" ng korg ax1500 mo...ganda yun...
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
Hindi ba pwedeng kiss na lang :mrgreen:
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
Hindi ba pwedeng kiss na lang :mrgreen:
Saan ? Ayyy fafa ! Brokeback na !
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
Hindi ba pwedeng kiss na lang :mrgreen:
Saan ? Ayyy fafa ! Brokeback na !
:shock:
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
Hindi ba pwedeng kiss na lang :mrgreen:
Saan ? Ayyy fafa ! Brokeback na !
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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mga sir how do i achieve a certain tone?
TWEAK TWEAK AND TWEAK. 8)
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depende talaga sa kung ano gusto mong bagong tone mo eh. then you got a whole variety of pedals to choose from to create that tone in your head. kaya ang dami ditong mga tao diba ang dadaming stomp box tapos puro distortion/overdrive? kasi miski pareparehas silang OD/dist, iba iba ang tonal characteristics nila...
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sir bamf: sige po sir. ill try to go. pm ko kayo next week kung makapunta ko.
sir markflo: sige sir i'll try to use the fat dist... although i can't see it lol. nabura na ata. 2nd hand lang kasi to eh. marami nang naka program yung dating user.
thanks sa mga comments. i'll try getting an od pedal sd-1 siguro or ts9... or ano ba ang maganda na di naman mabubutas bulsa ko?
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chong baka naman mataas yung level nung EQ? check mo rin baka kasi di balance yung lakas nung mga pedals mo...hahaha oo nga give your AX1500 a chance...kailangan mo lang talagang tutukan ang pag-explore ng mga ganyang pedal kasi digital nga...dami ng kailangang kapain bago mo mapalabas yung tunay niyang tunog...
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hmmmm from your avatar its obvious your a PG fan...... hanap mo ba yung same character ng dist nya? MT2 kasi (IMHO) maganda sa chords pero nakukulangan ako when it comes to lead parts.
I suggest you get a TS7! mura pa and it's not that far from a ts9! May hot switch sya na mabigat na overdrive! gandA ng individual notes! picking angles mo sa fast runs dinig na dinig! tapos ipa mod mo kay BAMF na assymetrical clipping lalo pang gaganda!
hope this helps :D
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sir markflo: sige sir i'll try to use the fat dist... although i can't see it lol. nabura na ata. 2nd hand lang kasi to eh. marami nang naka program yung dating user.
Dalawa ang presets ng korg 1500. Isang factory at isang user presets.
Most likely nasa user preset ka and the previous owner renamed the fat dist with a new name probably my binago cya sa settings ng fat dist.
Try to look for it sa factory presets doon walang na overwrite na settings for safekeeping. Better yet u can initialize all para malinis ang mga patches mo.
P.S. Have u tried using d korg 1500 with two small amps instead of 1 big amp? Kc ung korg 1500 pang stereo setup lang talaga. kaya d maganda pag naka mono ka. Ganyan din ako dati dissapointed sa 1500 until someone told me the stereo effect.
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If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod :D.
Hindi ba pwedeng kiss na lang :mrgreen:
Saan ? Ayyy fafa ! Brokeback na !
patay tayo dyan haha mukhang mahirap na yan sa EB ah :) kidding!
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hmmmm from your avatar its obvious your a PG fan...... hanap mo ba yung same character ng dist nya? MT2 kasi (IMHO) maganda sa chords pero nakukulangan ako when it comes to lead parts.
I suggest you get a TS7! mura pa and it's not that far from a ts9! May hot switch sya na mabigat na overdrive! gandA ng individual notes! picking angles mo sa fast runs dinig na dinig! tapos ipa mod mo kay BAMF na assymetrical clipping lalo pang gaganda!
hope this helps :D
Naku baka ma-asar ka sa bago kong na-discover. Madali lang pala i-mod ang TS7 para mag-tunog TS-808. Pareho ang sirkito nila, iba lang ang values ng ibang pyesa. Tapos asym mod...pamatay !
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hmmmm from your avatar its obvious your a PG fan...... hanap mo ba yung same character ng dist nya? MT2 kasi (IMHO) maganda sa chords pero nakukulangan ako when it comes to lead parts.
I suggest you get a TS7! mura pa and it's not that far from a ts9! May hot switch sya na mabigat na overdrive! gandA ng individual notes! picking angles mo sa fast runs dinig na dinig! tapos ipa mod mo kay BAMF na assymetrical clipping lalo pang gaganda!
hope this helps :D
Naku baka ma-asar ka sa bago kong na-discover. Madali lang pala i-mod ang TS7 para mag-tunog TS-808. Pareho ang sirkito nila, iba lang ang values ng ibang pyesa. Tapos asym mod...pamatay !
hehehe bibili na nga ako ng TS7 nampucha! :lol:
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sir markflo: sige sir i'll try to use the fat dist... although i can't see it lol. nabura na ata. 2nd hand lang kasi to eh. marami nang naka program yung dating user.
Yung Fat Distortion.. isa yung sa mga Drive models..yung pinaka unang chicken knob ata sya if I remember correctly... di sya mawawala, we're not talking of presets yet.
nag upload ako ng all the korg patches you need, swerte at di ko pa nadedelete sa pc ko... here is the linky:
http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1YRQXRAWXFHZZ1HOK6Z48TWLC9
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wow thanks guys! really a lot of help! sige sir markflo ill fiddle around with the ax1500g. i'll also take note of the ts7. talaga ts808? so if ever magkakaroon ako ng $169 pedal for the price of $39? hehe magkano ba pa mod sayo bamf?
anyway guys. why don't you post your gear/setup and talk about your tone.
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fingertapper,
Its hard to diagnose your problem. It could be the guitar, or the pedals, or the pickups or the strings, etc. But dont forget the amp which you dont have.
Try out all the suggestions on this thread but I dont think one factor will solve your problem. Before I tried a stock MT2, I had no problems with it even on low settings because I already had the right guitar and amp. In short, baka ok lang current set up mo pero you dont have the right amp. Before you try out any mods wherein you are required to spend, make sure may test unit you can match with your gear. Once modded ang MT2 mo at hindi mo magustuhan at pumanget and tunog, wala na iyun. Ang hirap na ibenta and you have nobody to blaim but yourself.
Mahirap kasi mga one size fits all solution lalo na kung hindi pa nakita ang buong set up mo.
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hmmmm from your avatar its obvious your a PG fan...... hanap mo ba yung same character ng dist nya? MT2 kasi (IMHO) maganda sa chords pero nakukulangan ako when it comes to lead parts.
I suggest you get a TS7! mura pa and it's not that far from a ts9! May hot switch sya na mabigat na overdrive! gandA ng individual notes! picking angles mo sa fast runs dinig na dinig! tapos ipa mod mo kay BAMF na assymetrical clipping lalo pang gaganda!
hope this helps :D
Naku baka ma-asar ka sa bago kong na-discover. Madali lang pala i-mod ang TS7 para mag-tunog TS-808. Pareho ang sirkito nila, iba lang ang values ng ibang pyesa. Tapos asym mod...pamatay !
hehehe bibili na nga ako ng TS7 nampucha! :lol:
Magkano ba TS7 ngaun?
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Hey OASgomez,
watcha think about those Custom Audio Amps? Pretty sweet eh? Haven't tried one but based on Scott Henderson and Michael Landau recordings, they sound awesome...
fingertapper,
Its hard to diagnose your problem. It could be the guitar, or the pedals, or the pickups or the strings, etc. But dont forget the amp which you dont have.
Try out all the suggestions on this thread but I dont think one factor will solve your problem. Before I tried a stock MT2, I had no problems with it even on low settings because I already had the right guitar and amp. In short, baka ok lang current set up mo pero you dont have the right amp. Before you try out any mods wherein you are required to spend, make sure may test unit you can match with your gear. Once modded ang MT2 mo at hindi mo magustuhan at pumanget and tunog, wala na iyun. Ang hirap na ibenta and you have nobody to blaim but yourself.
Mahirap kasi mga one size fits all solution lalo na kung hindi pa nakita ang buong set up mo.
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Markflo,
Gusto ko rin ng CAA. Sabi sa akin maganda ang clean pero hindi raw suwak so gusto ko na drive. Pero that was before they came out with CAA with a WHOMP mod.
So, I really want to...
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Markflo,
Gusto ko rin ng CAA. Sabi sa akin maganda ang clean pero hindi raw suwak so gusto ko na drive. Pero that was before they came out with CAA with a WHOMP mod.
So, I really want to...
yea man, amazing cleans...sobrang patay na patay ako sa tone ni scott henderson, he just has an rc booster and a bb boost in front of it...ahahaaay...
have you been to tone merchants here in orange, ca? it's just down the street from my work but i haven't gone...check out mo www.tonemerchants.com diyan nagtuturo ngayon si greg howe...tapos clinician nila si guthrie govan...tapos guest nila paminsan si scott henderson...
i'm looking for an amp with a fender-type clean tone but possibly (yea, i know i can just get another fender, but i wanna explore...hehe). all my od sounds come from my two od pedals so i don't really need an amp with an overdrive as i'll have no use for it. i just wanna know if there's an amp out there that can get really really really really REALLY clean...as in bright, sparkly, cleans...
i won't be upgrading amps till i find that 'ONE' ...hehehe...any suggestions?
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fingertapper,
Its hard to diagnose your problem. It could be the guitar, or the pedals, or the pickups or the strings, etc. But dont forget the amp which you dont have.
Try out all the suggestions on this thread but I dont think one factor will solve your problem. Before I tried a stock MT2, I had no problems with it even on low settings because I already had the right guitar and amp. In short, baka ok lang current set up mo pero you dont have the right amp. Before you try out any mods wherein you are required to spend, make sure may test unit you can match with your gear. Once modded ang MT2 mo at hindi mo magustuhan at pumanget and tunog, wala na iyun. Ang hirap na ibenta and you have nobody to blaim but yourself.
Mahirap kasi mga one size fits all solution lalo na kung hindi pa nakita ang buong set up mo.
sir it's not really a problem. it's more of finding/getting my ideal tone. kasi my set-up right now sounds great even on a 15watt practice amp but even better sa mga stage 100,marshall jcm900 and ibang high end amps sa mga gig. o kahit nga solid state na peavey or fender lang.
im just trying to achieve a dertain tone. ang problema lang talaga, in reality di mo rin talaga makukuha ung tone mo exactly kahit naka tube amp ka dahil di naman sa lahat ng venue parepareho ng amp. and sobrang hassle naman kung dadala ka pa ng amp bawat gig.
pero i think youre right about the mt2. kasi ngayon naman kuntento na talaga ko sa kanya e and the sounds it gives me. kaya i think i'll take ur advice. ung ts7 pag nakahanap ako yun nalang ipapamod ko hehe... mas mura e.
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and sobrang hassle naman kung dadala ka pa ng amp bawat gig.
you really gotta bring your own amp if you want your own sound dude. :)
fingertapper,
Its hard to diagnose your problem. It could be the guitar, or the pedals, or the pickups or the strings, etc. But dont forget the amp which you dont have.
Try out all the suggestions on this thread but I dont think one factor will solve your problem. Before I tried a stock MT2, I had no problems with it even on low settings because I already had the right guitar and amp. In short, baka ok lang current set up mo pero you dont have the right amp. Before you try out any mods wherein you are required to spend, make sure may test unit you can match with your gear. Once modded ang MT2 mo at hindi mo magustuhan at pumanget and tunog, wala na iyun. Ang hirap na ibenta and you have nobody to blaim but yourself.
Mahirap kasi mga one size fits all solution lalo na kung hindi pa nakita ang buong set up mo.
sir it's not really a problem. it's more of finding/getting my ideal tone. kasi my set-up right now sounds great even on a 15watt practice amp but even better sa mga stage 100,marshall jcm900 and ibang high end amps sa mga gig. o kahit nga solid state na peavey or fender lang.
im just trying to achieve a dertain tone. ang problema lang talaga, in reality di mo rin talaga makukuha ung tone mo exactly kahit naka tube amp ka dahil di naman sa lahat ng venue parepareho ng amp. and sobrang hassle naman kung dadala ka pa ng amp bawat gig.
pero i think youre right about the mt2. kasi ngayon naman kuntento na talaga ko sa kanya e and the sounds it gives me. kaya i think i'll take ur advice. ung ts7 pag nakahanap ako yun nalang ipapamod ko hehe... mas mura e.
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fingertapper,
Once modded ang MT2 mo at hindi mo magustuhan at pumanget and tunog, wala na iyun. Ang hirap na ibenta and you have nobody to blaim but yourself.
I hope you *again* have basis for that last statement of yours. Have you had a non-invasive mod ruin your chance of selling an MT2 already ? Was that non-invasive mod irreversible ? It seems you do like to shoot from the hip.
Siguro naman you know that an asym clip mod is very much reversible. Well if you don't I'm telling you right now. It is reversible and if you put it back, it is undetectable that it was even there.
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Pero nagalaw mo na ang board niya... Natamaan mo na ng soldering iron ang PCB niya. Dalawang beses pa ang tama dahil kailangan mo tangalin ang iniligay mo at ibalik ang lumang components.
I suggest you have ready mods on different Boss effects so your potential clients can test them instead of you tirahin ang mga board nila without them hearing it first on their set up. Besides, wala ka pa sa status ni Robert Keeley, makakasira lang sa iyo kung hindi magustuhan ang board at sabihin na pinangako mo na gaganda ang tunog nila. More than anything, I am just giving you this unsolicited tip for your own protection because some of them might backbite.
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now i'm beginning to enjoy oasgomez's post.
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eto lang ah, for tone consistency. (pero this is no guarantee parin) try to get a good direct box. that way, you can plug direct to the mixer. with that at least mas magiging consistent tunog mo, you need not worry about any amp since you won't be using them. at least gamitin mo nalang yung amp simulator ng effects mo. more or less alam mo na kung ano magiging tunog mo. provided you have a good amp simulator with cabinet simulator. pero most of the new effects that came out have them naman. examples are yung korg ax1500, digitech rp-gnx series, line 6, boss, etc.
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now i'm beginning to enjoy oasgomez's post.
I hear you, glass. More easier to digest the informations. Giving me another way of seeing things in the musical world, hehe :lol:
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Pero nagalaw mo na ang board niya... Natamaan mo na ng soldering iron ang PCB niya. Dalawang beses pa ang tama dahil kailangan mo tangalin ang iniligay mo at ibalik ang lumang components.
I suggest you have ready mods on different Boss effects so your potential clients can test them instead of you tirahin ang mga board nila without them hearing it first on their set up. Besides, wala ka pa sa status ni Robert Keeley, makakasira lang sa iyo kung hindi magustuhan ang board at sabihin na pinangako mo na gaganda ang tunog nila. More than anything, I am just giving you this unsolicited tip for your own protection because some of them might backbite.
Thank you sa concern mo dude, pero again, with this unsolicited advice, you are again exposing how judgmental you can be on things you have no knowledge about. When will you ever learn?
Can you judge my soldering skills already Mr. Gomez ? Masyado kang pessimistic boy. In the hope of educating you a bit, I will discuss my soldering technique with you, sana lang maintindihan mo. My "standard" solder is even shinier and has lower resistance than the wave-soldered standard Boss production method. It just is. In fact, for me to get down to the wave soldered standards, I have to adjust and bring my iron up earlier than its cook time so it will turn slightly cold. So what kung tamaan ng soldering iron ko yung board? Will you be able to see the difference ? Did I do permanent damage to it ? Hindi ko ba kaya ibalik sa dati without any loss in aesthetics and functionality yung pedal nila ? Eto pa matindi...WILL A TYPICAL, POTENTIAL, SECOND-HAND BUYER OPEN UP A PEDAL JUST TO INSPECT THE SOLDERS ?
Again, Alex, if you can't do it, DON'T IMPOSE YOUR LIMITATION ON OTHERS. Kung ikaw ang type na nakakasunog ng PCB (that is, kung alam mo kung ano ang PCB) tuwing tatamaan ng soldering iron mo ang ginagawa mo, hindi lahat ay kagaya mo. Your presuppositions about the matter are totally out of whack with reality.
Wala talaga ako sa status ni Robert Keeley, at hindi ko career at ka-careerin ang pagmo-mod. Do you think the measly service fee I charge enriches me ? No. My real reward is to see fellow guitarists go into wide-eyed wonder at the beauty of the tone of the pedals that I touched.
I do have the info on Keeley mods and I can execute them, and can bring them back to stock. So you're saying only Robert Keeley has the right to open and mod pedals, is that it? Vai notwithstanding, I don't even like the Keeley seeing eye and ultra mod pedals.
Teka, teka, ikaw ba, ano na ba status mo to talk to me in such a condescending manner? How many pedals have you repaired, modded or built from scratch ? Kung si Keeley ka, baka me value pa sa kin ang iyong unsolicited advice.
Isa pa ha. I mod the pedal and I let the customer listen. If he doesnt like it, I'll return it to it's original state and they don't have to pay, except for the time wasted which cannot be refunded. Now if you mod your pedal, by nature, you are taking a risk of wasting my time and yours. That is the price you pay for paying only PPP instead of the $$$$ that Keeley charges. At eto pa. If for some reason although how far remote that is that I cannot satisfy my customer, I WILL BUY HIS PEDAL AT A FAIR PRICE AND KEEP IT FOR MYSELF. That is my risk, protection and enjoyment that I can buy for myself.
Eto naman ang unsolicited tip ko for you. Do yourself a favor and stop embarrasing yourself by attempting to project yourself as the authority in things that you hardly know about.
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ARAY KO PO! pumunta na lng kayo sa 25th sa PURPLE HAZE at idaan sa mabuting usapan lahat..
:lol:
wohooo!!!! :lol:
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Pero nagalaw mo na ang board niya... Natamaan mo na ng soldering iron ang PCB niya. Dalawang beses pa ang tama dahil kailangan mo tangalin ang iniligay mo at ibalik ang lumang components.
I suggest you have ready mods on different Boss effects so your potential clients can test them instead of you tirahin ang mga board nila without them hearing it first on their set up. Besides, wala ka pa sa status ni Robert Keeley, makakasira lang sa iyo kung hindi magustuhan ang board at sabihin na pinangako mo na gaganda ang tunog nila. More than anything, I am just giving you this unsolicited tip for your own protection because some of them might backbite.
Thank you sa concern mo dude, pero again, with this unsolicited advice, you are again exposing how judgmental you can be on things you have no knowledge about. When will you ever learn?
Can you judge my soldering skills already Mr. Gomez ? Masyado kang pessimistic boy. In the hope of educating you a bit, I will discuss my soldering technique with you, sana lang maintindihan mo. My "standard" solder is even shinier and has lower resistance than the wave-soldered standard Boss production method. It just is. In fact, for me to get down to the wave soldered standards, I have to adjust and bring my iron up earlier than its cook time so it will turn slightly cold. So what kung tamaan ng soldering iron ko yung board? Will you be able to see the difference ? Did I do permanent damage to it ? Hindi ko ba kaya ibalik sa dati without any loss in aesthetics and functionality yung pedal nila ? Eto pa matindi...WILL A TYPICAL, POTENTIAL, SECOND-HAND BUYER OPEN UP A PEDAL JUST TO INSPECT THE SOLDERS ?
Again, Alex, if you can't do it, DON'T IMPOSE YOUR LIMITATION ON OTHERS. Kung ikaw ang type na nakakasunog ng PCB (that is, kung alam mo kung ano ang PCB) tuwing tatamaan ng soldering iron mo ang ginagawa mo, hindi lahat ay kagaya mo. Your presuppositions about the matter are totally out of whack with reality.
Wala talaga ako sa status ni Robert Keeley, at hindi ko career at ka-careerin ang pagmo-mod. Do you think the measly service fee I charge enriches me ? No. My real reward is to see fellow guitarists go into wide-eyed wonder at the beauty of the tone of the pedals that I touched.
I do have the info on Keeley mods and I can execute them, and can bring them back to stock. So you're saying only Robert Keeley has the right to open and mod pedals, is that it? Vai notwithstanding, I don't even like the Keeley seeing eye and ultra mod pedals.
Teka, teka, ikaw ba, ano na ba status mo to talk to me in such a condescending manner? How many pedals have you repaired, modded or built from scratch ? Kung si Keeley ka, baka me value pa sa kin ang iyong unsolicited advice.
Isa pa ha. I mod the pedal and I let the customer listen. If he doesnt like it, I'll return it to it's original state and they don't have to pay, except for the time wasted which cannot be refunded. Now if you mod your pedal, by nature, you are taking a risk of wasting my time and yours. That is the price you pay for paying only PPP instead of the $$$$ that Keeley charges. At eto pa. If for some reason although how far remote that is that I cannot satisfy my customer, I WILL BUY HIS PEDAL AT A FAIR PRICE AND KEEP IT FOR MYSELF. That is my risk, protection and enjoyment that I can buy for myself.
Eto naman ang unsolicited tip ko for you. Do yourself a favor and stop embarrasing yourself by attempting to project yourself as the authority in things that you hardly know about.
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how to get a good tone....
tweak tweak tweak
until you succeed---
korni ba?
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BAMF,
OK. That deal sounds fair. Fingertapper, try it out but any mod on anything stock assuming that BAMF can do it right still devalues a pedal even if nobody gets to open it for the simple reason that these pedals are not designed to be modified outside the manufacturing process they were made on.
If you truly believe in your mods, why dont you buy second hand donor pedals and mod them so that people dont need to have their own pedals opened up and exposed to your wonderful solder technique? I just believe somebody trying out your work should NOT have to go thru the hassle of getting their pedal modifed just to try you out.
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Simply because there are too many mods possible, and it's not practical for me have a demo unit for each and every mod. One customer will want more distortion. Another less. Another, more bass. Another, more gain. And the list goes on.
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BAMF,
Let it be known that I think BAMF is worth trying out as long as he offers to buy back your pedal at fair market value if you dont like the sound with your personal set up. This is testimony to BAMF's confidence in his product. AND there is no better deal than that on the face of this planet!!!
That being said I still do not know if his modification is unobtrusive, wont damage the pcb and its others components or is reversible because:
1) He is not an authorized Boss pedal repair center.
2) He has not tried the ultimate Litmus Test -- to send a reversed modded Boss pedal under the 5 year limited lifetime warranty to Japan Boss Customer Service to see if they can detect his work in terms of labor, parts and sound. If they say that there is nothing wrong with the pedal then bilib na ako kay BAMF.
More power to BAMF pedals. Give it a try but dont expect it to be on par with other boutique pedals ... just take it as it is and enjoy.
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Alam nyo oasgomez and BAMF.. let fingertapper1 decide for himself kung anong gusto nyang gawin...
kung gumanda ang tunog nung na-mod na pedal, GREAT! kung di naman, e di ibenta, im sure someone will find it nice...tsaka generally speaking, kahit anong pedal naman, boutique or not, bumababa ang value when being sold second hand.
no need to question each other's abilities or preferences para walang gulo.
oh, no offense oasgomes.. since wala naman perfect tone unless its coming from your own gears..why not just give each one of us here in the forum the same gears as you have..siguro that way, there will never be any discussion about tone and preferences...ever.
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SonnyRay,
I second your point. In fact that was my original reco -- for fingertapper to bring his whole set up to test. Look at my first post on this thread. I just got turned off with the modify first than I will let you hear method. But since BAMF, already corrected that with his offer. Its just such a great thing on BAMF's part.
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mga sir easy lang po.
nakakahiya naman kay sir bamf at sir oasgomez at nagaway pa kayo sa thread ko. as of now i decided to make most of my gear nlng muna and give the ax1500g a second chance. and ok naman! thanks to sir sonnyrayvaughn for the ptaches. i really appreciate your help.
about sa modding.
i still intend have a ts-7 modded or maybe the mt-2 pag sawa na talaga ko sa tunog. kasi in modding lahat naman talaga may risk e. kahit pa mod ng pedals... minsan yung mga console(ps2) etc... there "might" be a problem pero i trust naman the people here kasi isang community tayo dito at di naman siguro tayo maglolokohan. and as sirbamf said reversible naman daw. ang habol ko is tunog at tone ng pedal rather than the aesthtics although most of my pedals are in mint condition. but i'll stick with my gear for now.
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BAMF,
Let it be known that I think BAMF is worth trying out as long as he offers to buy back your pedal at fair market value if you dont like the sound with your personal set up. This is testimony to BAMF's confidence in his product. AND there is no better deal than that on the face of this planet!!!
That being said I still do not know if his modification is unobtrusive, wont damage the pcb and its others components or is reversible because:
1) He is not an authorized Boss pedal repair center.
2) He has not tried the ultimate Litmus Test -- to send a reversed modded Boss pedal under the 5 year limited lifetime warranty to Japan Boss Customer Service to see if they can detect his work in terms of labor, parts and sound. If they say that there is nothing wrong with the pedal then bilib na ako kay BAMF.
More power to BAMF pedals. Give it a try but dont expect it to be on par with other boutique pedals ... just take it as it is and enjoy.
Linawin natin ha before you make baseless assumptions again and start putting things in my mouth. I will buy the pedal if I irreversibly damage it, irreparably damage its resale value or if I cannot bring it back to stock. Now that's really going to be a real unsatisfactory condition.
But don't bust an artery Alex. Most of my mods involve only one solder pad. And yes, just because of this, I'm quite certain I will pass the reverse mod test. :D wawa ka naman all that hoola for nothing. Para makahirit ka lang ng something, hirit ka pa din. Sige na nga...papatulan kita all the way. Gimme your pedal if you have a DS-1 or any similar overdrive circuit that employs a twin diode clip stage. I'll mod it, use it for a week, return it to stock, return to you and you send it off to Japan. If they say you voided warranty because they detected an unauthorized solder, I'll buy your pedal. Pero if it passes...ano...give me the pedal for me to keep.
O, you wanna test pa yung isa mo pang ala sa hulog na hirit, na mawawala ang value ng isang MT2 kapag tinamaan ng soldering iron ? I'll mod an MT2, use it for a week and then let someone else, anonymously, sell it. Pag nabenta sya at fair market price...PASAMPAL KA SA KIN ON VIDEO ? Call ?
Hirap kasi sa yo at sa mga kagaya mo...ang solusyon mo lang sa lahat ng bagay ay hagisan ng pera ang problema. Paano yung mga walang pambayad sa Boss Service Center ? Paano kung tanggihan kang i-mod yung pedal sa gusto mong tunog (oh yeah all of it is unauthorized). E di kung ganun naman pala, why even bother considering a mod kung ang problema mo pala e warranty ? Won't anyone in his right mind find that argument self-contradicting and STUPID ? Let it be known na din na that is an inherent risk of modding your pedal ! Naku...sana pagpalain ka na maghirap ka sa buhay para maranasan mo naman ang nararanasan ng mga kagaya naming walang pambili ng mga stuff mo na hindi naman investments dahil hindi naman gumagawa ng pera. Naway' biyayaan ka ng Maykapal ng kaunting pakikisama at pakikiramay sa mga hindi kasing palad mo at mabawawan ang kahambugan mo.
That being said anyway, I have clones of DS-1's and MT2's that can be easily fabricated, thus completely sidestepping your irrelevant concern for those who don't want to void their warranties.
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oh man.. peace muna tayo mga sir..
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Honga. Come to think of it, I do agree with him at some point. It aint boutique (lol) nor did I masquerade it to be...it's just an improvement. No need for me to bust an artery as well...that much was all true anyway.
My "boutique" line which I'm pursuing are the Analog Ampsims. Just finished the JCM 800 Ampsim, which I'll demo on the 25th. I'll contribute a couple of ampsims that others have not yet done, like the Bogner Ecstasy, Soldano SLO100 (almost finished on PCB-CAD) and as soon as the schematic comes out, the Diezel Herbert.
That way, ordinary mortals like us can be in the ballpark of these expensive electronics without shelling 4,000 dollars :D.
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My "standard" solder is even shinier and has lower resistance than the wave-soldered standard Boss production method. It just is. In fact, for me to get down to the wave soldered standards, I have to adjust and bring my iron up earlier than its cook time so it will turn slightly cold.
I think any hand soldering by a good technician is instantly better than the wave soldering by mass producers. Fender does wave soldering on most of their PCB amps too and it seems that a common problem with them is broken /cold solder joints that were there from the get-go (factory). So what do you do when that happens, you bring it to a real person, a repair guy like Lito or Raul and have them hand-solder it. It instantly becomes a better amp, at least in terms of reliability.
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My "standard" solder is even shinier and has lower resistance than the wave-soldered standard Boss production method. It just is. In fact, for me to get down to the wave soldered standards, I have to adjust and bring my iron up earlier than its cook time so it will turn slightly cold.
I think any hand soldering by a good technician is instantly better than the wave soldering by mass producers. Fender does wave soldering on most of their PCB amps too and it seems that a common problem with them is broken /cold solder joints that were there from the get-go (factory). So what do you do when that happens, you bring it to a real person, a repair guy like Lito or Raul and have them hand-solder it. It instantly becomes a better amp, at least in terms of reliability.
Honga hehehe. It did sound like I was tooting my own horn, I shoulda said something like "any techician worth his soldering salt should solder better than wave-solder" :D Maybe I was talking too much from my own perspective instead of speaking in general terms :D
Which is true. If all that a pedal tech did was to resolder everything on a pedal, a better pedal would be the result. Voided warranties notwithstanding :D.
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boss ds-1... or an ibanez tubescreamer.... best distortion sound with less tweaking.
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Aight ! mas boto ako though for the tube screamer. DS-1's as they come out sound (to me) as 2-dimensional and flat. Tube screamers have dynamics and the sound becomes richer when you pick harder. More so when you put it in an asym clip mod. Malabnaw nga lang ang tunog...not anywhere as harsh as a DS-1, but it's still far sweeter.
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Deltaslim,
Like I said, the litmus test is to send the pedal to Boss and lets see if they honor the warranty.
Have you seen in the innards of boutique pedals? These do not look like anything that come out from Boss, Ibanez, DOD, etc. For the plain reason, they were made by hand soldering. Now, do you see Boss, Ibanez and the like say that their PCBs are designed for modification and hand soldering? Kami ni Lito pagnagsosolder ng mga Boss -- dalawahan nga kami. Tinutulungan ko siya ihila ang component to minimize staining the board with the soldering iron. Plus, ang lalapit ng mga terminals.
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Hayyy Alex. You keep on hammering on the nailhead of irrelevance. So what was the point again of that one ? How did that address the issue ? That we haven't seen the innards of boutique pedals ? Nyahahahehehe. Parang kailan lang you were harping that a soldering iron will damage a pedal's marketability. Now you sing a different tune. You are seriously amusing me now.
How much is a DS-1 ? How much does it take to ship it to Japan and back ? You'll end up spending and waiting more, even if the warranty gave you free parts and labor. If you have any inkling about mass production business, you'll know that every customization is a pain in the neck as it departs from standard procedure. And that's why Boss will not support ANY modded pedal, even if it were from Keeley as they would have to retrain their techies just to deal with those mods. So paano naging practical and relevant yung pinagsasasabi mo ? If you don't want to risk voiding your warranty DON'T GET YOUR PEDAL MODDED BY ANYONE AND JUST SUFFER THE STOCK TONE! O ayan, I spelled it out na for you. Happy ?
Have you seen the schematic of a DS-1 ? Can you agree that it's SIMPLE, VERY SIMPLE to anyone who knows his way around it ? Does it take a Keeley or a Boss Tech to understand it and consequentially fix it? Your answer will reveal your level of understanding and general techie paradigm.
Boutique pedals na namannn. I've seen the innards of boutique pedals. Mine. And if I wanted to, they CAN look anything like the innards of Boss pedals. Why ? The mass production techniques of Boss and Fender are easily available from subcontractors like T.E.L. and EISA (cheaper per board too when you factor in labor costs). We're talking 70's production technology here. Too old for any vendor to have any distinct manufacturing advantage. Different syempre pag Zoom, they would have had their boards assembled by production line robots as those have surface-mounted components.
Yung sa panghinang uli, you will not strain the board if you know how. I'm sure Lito Bote can do things on his own and doesnt need your help if you're not around so wag ka na pa-importante kunwari. Nagpagawa ka na ba ng amp sa kanya ? E di wala na ding market value yun, nagalaw na ng panghinang e. Authorized service center ba sya ng Peavey, Marshall at Fender ?
By the way, let it be known na din na wala nang market value ang Tube Screamer mo dahil ginalaw mo na nga pala din yan nang hindi authorized ng Ibanez.
Teka, masyado ko na ata pinapatulan ang irrelevance mo.
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Deltaslim,
Like I said, the litmus test is to send the pedal to Boss and lets see if they honor the warranty.
Have you seen in the innards of boutique pedals? These do not look like anything that come out from Boss, Ibanez, DOD, etc. For the plain reason, they were made by hand soldering. Now, do you see Boss, Ibanez and the like say that their PCBs are designed for modification and hand soldering? Kami ni Lito pagnagsosolder ng mga Boss -- dalawahan nga kami. Tinutulungan ko siya ihila ang component to minimize staining the board with the soldering iron. Plus, ang lalapit ng mga terminals.
Yes, I've seen the innards of boutique pedals... Klon Centaur, FD2, Dual Tone, Jeckyll & Hyde, Mosfet FD2, Tim. I've seen the innards of mass-produced pedals too. And that's why I added my 2 cents.
If you read carefully, your post just proves my point.
Uhmm... I still don't see the point about warranty? Who cares about warranty when a local technician can do a better job soldering those mass-produced pedals?
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yaiks... akala ko pa naman tapos na to!
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Teka, nag-eenjoy pa ko.
Come over to my shop and I'll show you the boards of my version of the Ratt , TS and Distortion plus. Mas compressed, maliit at malalapit ang pads neto boy ! Wave soldering is better suited to pads that are farther from each other because it doesnt have the precision of hand soldering !
Sige I'll be a condescending bastard for now at tuturuan kita ha. Wave soldering goes like this. First you print the design for the conductive paths of a board on a blank PCB. Maraming methods but the cheapest and easiest way to do it is by silkscreen. Then you dip the board in etching solution to remove the excess unwanted copper. After that's done, you bring the boards back to the printing station, to be printed with what's known as a solder mask. Yes, it's the green thing on the board, and it covers the copper foil that shouldn't be soldered (e.g. the copper runs and not the pads). In fact, it is unnecessary if your board is meant for "hand soldering". When that's done, the boards are drilled up and components are inserted, leads are cut and folded close to the board. Folding close is again unnecessary for hand-soldered boards and in fact introduces servicing problems (components are harder to extract for servicing).
Now comes the nice part. The boards are first brushed with solder flux to facilitate a better bond between the lead and copper. The boards are held close to the surface of liquid soldering lead in a hot vat. An agitator (either machine or person based) agitates the liquid solder to create "waves" which kiss the underside of the board, and will leave a deposit of hot lead on pads that are not protected by the solder mask, thus soldering the leads of components to the board. By necessity, this is a very fast operation because if you observe the real "cook time" required for a solder using this process, you will burn the board all over. Literally. So by nature, solders produced by wave solder method are COLD and have high resistance. You can see this by the gray, grainy texture of wave-soldered joints.
As the boards come out of that process, it is necessary to pass them through initial QC because the process leaves unwanted solder bridges and missed joints . And guess who or what removes those bridges and corrects faulty solder joints ? WORKERS WIELDING SOLDERING IRONS !
So ano na naman tong pinagsasasabi mo na Boss boards were not meant for hand soldering ? As in hindi pwede o hindi advisable ? Wave soldering is just a quick and cheap mass production replacement for hand soldering and they would do well to design their boards with components far apart so the boards will not spend too much time in initial QC. Im sure if good hand soldering were just as quick and cheap as wave soldering, any manufacturer in his right mind would opt for the former. Baligtad boy. Boards meant for hand soldering are less advisable for wave soldering and not the other way around.
O hindi ko po ginoogle yan. I worked OJT in an electronics manufacturing firm while in college.
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BAMF,
These are my rants against you and I have decided to really go for your style of explanation.
The issue has always been that the pedals you mod – the mass manufactured ones were not designed to be modified and soldered and de-soldered. You claimed reversible so before you claim reversible lets see if your work will stand the test of a warranty. Ikaw ang nagCLAIM at ikaw ang magpatunay. Ikaw magbayad at magpaship ng modded MT2 na ginamit mo for a week to Boss Japan. Prove your claim. Wala akong problema sa warranty, ginagamit ko lang ang warranty para mapatunayan mo ang claim mo na hindi mapapansin ang reverse work mo. Since claim mo na overspecified pa ang Boss PCBs and they can take your hand soldering and which you claim to be the best process to solder, ipadala mo na nga sa Boss Japan for warranty assessment.
Your soldering iron can and may damage marketability at a minimum, the person selling it will have to lie and say walang ginalaw diyan because if he says that this pedal has been reverse modified by BAMF the pedal will lose value. Kasi hindi ka kilala. Kung wala kang takot why don’t you encourage people to tell the truth that it was reverse modified by you. Don’t believe me? All you guys out there try it out and post in Buy and Sell.
Now since you are an expert in modification, tell me, what process you went through to say your modifications are toneful? Keeley on his part, tests and tests thru single coil guitars and humbucker equipped guitars of Musicians on both tube and solid state equipment. Ngayon paano ko iyan nalaman? Nagbabasa ako ng Tonequest Report na by subscription na pusta ko wala ka. Ikaw? Ilan na bang tao ang pinatest mo ng mga mod mo? Demo unit lang wala ka pa nga eh. You give the reason too many modifications variations but that’s a sorry excuse for you not to have enough stock of modified pedals if you really either truly believe in your work or have undergone extensive testing with musicians. Ang lakas pa ng loob mo sabihin na “Vai notwithstanding, I don't even like the Keeley seeing eye and ultra mod pedals.” So, sinong tenga pala ang hiningan mo ng opinion para sa mga mod mo? Kung sampo lang kayo, kumuha ka ng statistical random sample of an additional 20.
Claim mo and Post mo ito: “If for some reason although how far remote that is that I cannot satisfy my customer, I WILL BUY HIS PEDAL AT A FAIR PRICE AND KEEP IT FOR MYSELF. That is my risk, protection and enjoyment that I can buy for myself.” So now you qualify… with “I will buy the pedal if I irreversibly damage it, irreparably damage its resale value or if I cannot bring it back to stock. Now that's really going to be a real unsatisfactory condition.” So go backtrack and I thought you were confident.
Analog Ampsims:” That way, ordinary mortals like us can be in the ballpark of these expensive electronics without shelling 4,000 dollars”. You don’t even own a single US$4000 amp to benchmark. You know what? Tumawag ka at mag long distance ka sa Ultrasound at guarantee ko sa iyo pagtatawanan nila Ken and Gene. Alam mo bakit? Sinusubukan gawin ang tunog na hindi mo pa narinig in person. Sabihin mo pa naka RJ guitar ka na pang test at mas lalong pahiya ka dahil ihaharap nila sa iyo ay tunay na Gibson 59 at Baker at iba pa.
Ang problema sa iyo, wala kang masyadong credentials and hindi pa proven ang tenga mo tinalo mo na sina Keeley, Soldano, Bogner at Jim Marshall. Hindi pera ang pinapalabas kong solusyon kaya nga sinabi ko na bilib ako sa iyo for that buy back gurantee and sinabi ko pa na it’s the best deal in the world which I sincerely believe.
On one hand you say”“If you come to Purple Haze on the 25th, my promo service fee is only P300 per pedal. Distortions lang ha, and only the asymmetric clip mod”. On the other hand you say” Wala talaga ako sa status ni Robert Keeley, at hindi ko career at ka-careerin ang pagmo-mod. Do you think the measly service fee I charge enriches me ? No. My real reward is to see fellow guitarists go into wide-eyed wonder at the beauty of the tone of the pedals that I touched.” Assuming your last statement is what you really meant, do not use the word PROMO because that assumes you will be jacking up the price later to get more profit that might a tiny bit less measly.
“I do have the info on Keeley mods and I can execute them, and can bring them back to stock. So you're saying only Robert Keeley has the right to open and mod pedals, is that it?” My answer is NO. This was not what I meant.
“I mod the pedal and I let the customer listen. If he doesnt like it, I'll return it to it's original state and they don't have to pay, except for the time wasted which cannot be refunded. Now if you mod your pedal, by nature, you are taking a risk of wasting my time and yours. That is the price you pay for paying only PPP instead of the $$$$ that Keeley charges. At eto pa.” If you want to stop wasting your time and your CUSTOMER’s time – have the modded pedals ready for plug and play.
“Do yourself a favor and stop embarrasing yourself by attempting to project yourself as the authority in things that you hardly know about.” Stop trying to be an electronic tone guru when you have not yet proven yourself. My problem with you is kaunti pa ang exposure mo to be able to talk they way you do. You wanna know why? and I hate to brag this but my arsenal of amps will smoke all your pedals and your mods and your amp. So will my 4 guitars that will choke your guitars. Now, I hate to put you in place pero marami ka ng sinabi and I have tried to be friendly but obviously it does not work. From the time linait mo ang paper in oil capacitors na wala ka pang nabili na ANGELA hangang ngayon na mayroon na ako na anim na piraso sa mga gitara ko hangang sa sinabi mo na hindi factor ang type ng component sa mga pedal mods that I feel is plainly not true because there is a difference and I can prove it, you are more theory than sound.
By the way, not all your mods can beat my stock Jap OD1. So huwag mo maliitin ang mga stock dahil depende nga sa gear mo. Kung sobra kang dependent sa pedals mo na modded, talagang may problema ang tunog ng gitara at amp mo.
I am not interested in the resale value of my amps and I mod my pedals as I wish without need to worry about resale value because tone habol ko. I could not care less; but a large portion of your customers may be interested in resale value. So, I have my amps serviced by Lito because he is a good friend and magaling siya magayos ng tube amp. Pero ikaw? Hindi ko pa alam kung magaling gumawa ng magandang tunog na pedal. Sana nga para hindi na rin ako kailangan gumastos.
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hmmmm.. :?
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Oas, I'm done with the techie talk, so yung rants mo na lang sagutin ko.
Ito ang problema mo kung hindi mo pa alam. Just because you've got the dough to collect boutique gears you think you can dictate what other people can and cannot do. I dared to build a tube amp, sabi mo wala akong alam sa tone dahil hindi ako exposed sa boutique amps like you even if I already said I know the tone I want. That was the first time I told you not to impose your own limitation on others. I dared to mod pedals, sasabihin mong I cannot do that because I am not an expert like Keeley. Well, duh! Unang-una, you were the one who placed me in league with Keeley by comparing me to him. Funny really coz I never thought of myself that way. You may not realize it but It's flattering in a way. I may be executing Keeley mods, pero I never thought of myself as someone who is already in league with him, kaya thanks talaga dude! See my delight in lecturing you about wave soldering.
Now, you claim you read Tonequest so you have info on Keeley's mod process. That's good. So how come you already criticized my modding skills when you do not have any info yet on how I do it? E ngayon mo pa nga lang ako tinatanong about my modding process. So nauna na yung angas mo, na wag ako mag-mod dahil wala ako sa status ni Keeley (yet :lol:)?
Oas, I think you get some sort of a high from dwelling on the fact that you have the money while others don't. Personally I have nothing against that, pero I hope your money can buy you comprehension. Para maintindihan mo rin lang ang whole picture, yung mga taong nagpapa-mod sa akin cannot spare $10000000 million thousand that you have to pay for Keeley mods. In other words, hindi ikaw at mga tulad mo ang target market ng tulad ko. Copish?
Now do not take it against me if I go on my personal quest to de-mystify things that used to be the toys only of the ultrarich . That's what engineers do and I know that in business, actual cost per unit is but a minute part of the price. So I made use of available resources to get as close as possible in executing my Keeleys, Marshalls, Rats, etc., commoditizing these and hopefully bringing them into the hands of more and more musicians who normally cannot afford to spend $10000000. That's a personal conviction, my calling, at wala ka ng pakialam pa diyan.
You putting me in my place by your arsenal of gears? Tsk...babaw, this can only be insulting and at the same time gratifying to people who can only get validation in the amount of disposable cash they have. Fine, I'll give you that. No doubt about it, I have always thought you have great gears since you have the taste and obviously, the money to spend for these things. But, I have what you do not have, and that enables me to put you in your place whenever you spew out BS on things that you don't know about. (Like your take on PROMO, which showed you obviously know nothing about marketing.)
If you really want to put me in my place, sabi ko nga sa iyo, you only need to tell me na ikaw pala si Robert Keeley o si Seymour Duncan or Paul Gilbert, and I will revere you. That's the only type of currency I recognize. Pero kung isa ka lang palang wannabe who happens to have loads of money who likes to namedrop, pwede akong maiinggit pero it will be an abuse of my good nature to tolerate your sanctimonious preaching on things that I can and cannot do.
Finally I'm not even remotely mad sa panlalait mo ng gears ko. Mainly because your gears are now my benchmarks and targets for cloning. :lol: Na-download ko na nga ang schematics ng Soldano mo. :lol: Soon, more and more people will have your boutique tone. Magiging ordinaryo ka na lang tulad namin. Di bale, pag sumikat ako kahit dito sa Pinas or sa buong mundo, I will not forget to thank you. :lol:
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Finally I'm not even remotely mad sa panlalait mo ng gears ko. Mainly because your gears are now my benchmarks and targets for cloning. :lol: Na-download ko na nga ang schematics ng Soldano mo. :lol: Soon, more and more people will have your boutique tone. Magiging ordinaryo ka na lang tulad namin. Di bale, pag sumikat ako kahit dito sa Pinas or sa buong mundo, I will not forget to thank you. :lol:
GO BAMF GO!
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The quest for your tone, I hope you make it in time :). Hmmm, its amazing how this thread has developed. It doesn't matter how you achieve your tone as long as you do get to that point. We can always be filled with ideas which for our part are just theories, there is only one way to find out, go out and do it. Kudos to those who try and level out the playing field, which again proves that there is no single correct way of doing things.
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well, i got to hand it to the guy... he thinks big. :lol:
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mukhang mahaba-habang usapan nanaman ito...hehehe.. lets get it on!!!!
Respect mga bros! hehe Peace lang... wag na init ulo....
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medyo nag iiba na nga takbo nitong thread hehe. yung sasampalin sa video pwede i post sa you tube? hehe jk.
easy lang guys... peace