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Title: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: Opay21 on September 02, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
I've been playing for about approx 4 or 5 years now, and somehow I know my way around the fretboard. I'm really not a fan of shredding pero It's a nice technique to learn IMO. Any way, I can do simple fast runs kadalasan mga simple na ascending arpeggios lang and nothing complicated or ear catching. The thing is, it's like kahit magpractice ako ng sagaran even just for one line of shredding,I can't seem to get it. I can do some rock n roll stuff and some blues, but shredd? uh oh. Any opinions, comments, advices, or same experiences here? :-D
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: abyssinianson on September 02, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
when i was taking more lessons, my teachers always said shredding is more a manifestation of repetitious technique than anything else. first, know your way on the neck, then, practice knowing how each part of the neck sounds. know the scales and play around with them. a lot. i am not a fan of shredding as well but it is a good thing to have in your player's bag to have and break it out every so often to get that "wow" factor during a set. like with most things, too much of an element CAN get old so I don't do it too much. besides, i've always been of the opinion that shredding tastefully done (like in jazz fusion or trad jazz) is much more captivating than blasting through a whol;e song with nothing but lightning fast notes and nothing get weird looks from an audience than just wanking on the guitar..that is bad.
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: vhunter on September 02, 2009, 11:09:53 PM
when i was taking more lessons, my teachers always said shredding is more a manifestation of repetitious technique than anything else. first, know your way on the neck, then, practice knowing how each part of the neck sounds. know the scales and play around with them. a lot. i am not a fan of shredding as well but it is a good thing to have in your player's bag to have and break it out every so often to get that "wow" factor during a set. like with most things, too much of an element CAN get old so I don't do it too much. besides, i've always been of the opinion that shredding tastefully done (like in jazz fusion or trad jazz) is much more captivating than blasting through a whol;e song with nothing but lightning fast notes and nothing get weird looks from an audience than just wanking on the guitar..that is bad.
Agree.. but there is that attraction to freaks like herman lee. :) Gets old quick though.
Back to topic. Work with a metronome sir. Start slow and try to be as efficient as you can with your motions. It wont happen overnight but it will eventually. Also work on note clarity... Its useless to be fast if you sound like your slurring... articulation and note quality will build speed.
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: saijo on September 02, 2009, 11:10:16 PM
I have the same issue. I used to listen a lot of friedman,becker and malmsteen and hoping that ill adopt and play the same music/genre too-_> fast forward-->,i end up empty handed. I really love shred guitar at first,(malmsteen and becker moved me a lot and probably the main reason i picked a shred maple neck guitar just to realize that i like strat tone better.im playing on a gio ibanez before i got my prestige though)I just can't do the fast licks,repetitive fluid runs, compositions etc. Got tired,bored, frustrated with everyday routine then months past, i gave up. I stopped for almost 2 years. Then one day i picked up my guitar again but with different approach. I started listening to other kinds of stuff,(rnb,blues,jazz and so so) then i found the music thats for me. Im happier, comfortable and more confident with the music i play now than before even im just starting to learn new stuffs which is easier and faster than i did before. If youre wondering why the heck i even typing these stuffs is because its probably the music that youre into now might be the music isnt for you,you have to try different things and step outside the box every once in a while just to see the reality.
In short
take a rest. based on my experience.
just my $0.20
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: Opay21 on September 02, 2009, 11:36:46 PM
when i was taking more lessons, my teachers always said shredding is more a manifestation of repetitious technique than anything else. first, know your way on the neck, then, practice knowing how each part of the neck sounds. know the scales and play around with them. a lot. i am not a fan of shredding as well but it is a good thing to have in your player's bag to have and break it out every so often to get that "wow" factor during a set. like with most things, too much of an element CAN get old so I don't do it too much. besides, i've always been of the opinion that shredding tastefully done (like in jazz fusion or trad jazz) is much more captivating than blasting through a whol;e song with nothing but lightning fast notes and nothing get weird looks from an audience than just wanking on the guitar..that is bad.
Exactly why I'm kinda frustrated. Hmmm. Maybe not enough practice? Dami ko kasi kilala na mahusay amg shred samantalang nauna pa ako mag gitara. OT: College kinda sucks, less time to practice. When I graduate I'ma play till my fingers get twice the size due to swelling. :-D Back the topic, the thing that happens with me is that I play about 9 ascending notes(seldom alternate picking, mostly hammer ons and pull offs) then I stop and go slow. I always get the same sound and it's kinda getting OLD.
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: bryanarzaga on September 02, 2009, 11:43:54 PM
me i dont shred, i just stumble across the fretboard :lol:
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: saijo on September 02, 2009, 11:47:46 PM
Exactly why I'm kinda frustrated. Hmmm. Maybe not enough practice? Dami ko kasi kilala na mahusay amg shred samantalang nauna pa ako mag gitara. OT: College kinda sucks, less time to practice. When I graduate I'ma play till my fingers get twice the size due to swelling. :-D Back the topic, the thing that happens with me is that I play about 9 ascending notes(seldom alternate picking, mostly hammer ons and pull offs) then I stop and go slow. I always get the same sound and it's kinda getting OLD.
ok lang yan. *hugs*
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: abyssinianson on September 02, 2009, 11:48:23 PM
Agree.. but there is that attraction to freaks like herman lee. :) Gets old quick though.
funny you should mention him. i met the guy years ago when they first started playing the states and they were playing at a small-ish club in Chicago. they guys were p#ss drunk but shredded through the songs like nuts. the keyboard player was the drunkest one of them all but he was the msot impressive of the bunch. i later asked Herman (i still get a kick how he, an Asian guy, has a british accent) how he was able to keep it together and he said it was basically autopilot. after playing patterns for a while, your hands and ears just know where to go-and where not to.
a piece of advice i got from an old teacher of mine, Toshi Iseda, was that fast riffs are broken down into patterns and a big element of playing fast - and well - is knowing how to link those patterns together into a coherent and seamless passage. patterns are key. play passages slow first paying attention to how efficiently they need to be played at faster speeds.
@opal21: it sounds like your stumbling block is not knowing what to do after the 9th note. this is where putting patterns together is key. the role of scales are like lego blocks, they go together in lots of different ways depending on how you use em. sometimes they work, sometimes they dont; you just have to try em. finger placement is also key as much as picking accuracy and note theory.
as far as "wow" factor goes..i guess it touches on playing dynamics and what things you can do with a piece of wood to play as well as entertain. i am a big fan of odd techniques like the legato technique that Satch does on the "Mr. Potatohead Groove thing." Not many people who do not play know about this technique and I love it because it is interesting and it sounds good. this approach continues to my acoustic playing as well having been a fan of guys like Billy McLaughlin and Michael hedges for a long time. to me, weird is good, especially if it sounds interesting. I go to concerts to enjoy music but a larger part of what I do is to watch other people play and see what I can expand and include in my own playing.
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: turiguiliano on September 03, 2009, 12:19:14 AM
I've been playing for about approx 4 or 5 years now, and somehow I know my way around the fretboard. I'm really not a fan of shredding pero It's a nice technique to learn IMO. Any way, I can do simple fast runs kadalasan mga simple na ascending arpeggios lang and nothing complicated or ear catching. The thing is, it's like kahit magpractice ako ng sagaran even just for one line of shredding,I can't seem to get it. I can do some rock n roll stuff and some blues, but shredd? uh oh. Any opinions, comments, advices, or same experiences here? :-D
Patience lang, practice lang katapat nyan. Magmetronome ka, ulit ulitin mo, imposible naman di mo pa makuha yun. What's MUCH harder is to actually make good music.
Sa 'kin mas trip ko ang groove at harmonies kesa speed. (personal opinion lang naman)
Newsflash!: Some of the best musicians in the world can't shred!
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: arkeetar on September 03, 2009, 07:15:18 AM
Patience lang, practice lang katapat nyan. Magmetronome ka, ulit ulitin mo, imposible naman di mo pa makuha yun. What's MUCH harder is to actually make good music.
Sa 'kin mas trip ko ang groove at harmonies kesa speed. (personal opinion lang naman)
Newsflash!: Some of the best musicians in the world can't shred!
(http://smileyicons.net/s/92.gif)(http://smileyicons.net/s/92.gif)(http://smileyicons.net/s/92.gif) Me can't Shred, pero ok lang :lol:
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Post by: ghostalker on September 03, 2009, 07:40:06 AM
funny you should mention him. i met the guy years ago when they first started playing the states and they were playing at a small-ish club in Chicago. they guys were p#ss drunk but shredded through the songs like nuts. the keyboard player was the drunkest one of them all but he was the msot impressive of the bunch. i later asked Herman (i still get a kick how he, an Asian guy, has a british accent) how he was able to keep it together and he said it was basically autopilot. after playing patterns for a while, your hands and ears just know where to go-and where not to.
a piece of advice i got from an old teacher of mine, Toshi Iseda, was that fast riffs are broken down into patterns and a big element of playing fast - and well - is knowing how to link those patterns together into a coherent and seamless passage. patterns are key. play passages slow first paying attention to how efficiently they need to be played at faster speeds.
@opal21: it sounds like your stumbling block is not knowing what to do after the 9th note. this is where putting patterns together is key. the role of scales are like lego blocks, they go together in lots of different ways depending on how you use em. sometimes they work, sometimes they dont; you just have to try em. finger placement is also key as much as picking accuracy and note theory.
as far as "wow" factor goes..i guess it touches on playing dynamics and what things you can do with a piece of wood to play as well as entertain. i am a big fan of odd techniques like the legato technique that Satch does on the "Mr. Potatohead Groove thing." Not many people who do not play know about this technique and I love it because it is interesting and it sounds good. this approach continues to my acoustic playing as well having been a fan of guys like Billy McLaughlin and Michael hedges for a long time. to me, weird is good, especially if it sounds interesting. I go to concerts to enjoy music but a larger part of what I do is to watch other people play and see what I can expand and include in my own playing.
This is actually true. I kinda never gave it time para gawing somehow "nakapattern na". I always thought that when shreding it's mostly improv. Kasi sa sobrang bilis minsan It never occur to me that shreders "plan" things ahead. What an enlightenment this thread. Thanks! :-) :-)
Patience lang, practice lang katapat nyan. Magmetronome ka, ulit ulitin mo, imposible naman di mo pa makuha yun. What's MUCH harder is to actually make good music.
Sa 'kin mas trip ko ang groove at harmonies kesa speed. (personal opinion lang naman)
Newsflash!: Some of the best musicians in the world can't shred!
Hmmm... guess your right. Kaso miski hindi shred mejo olatz pa eh. Duguang practice lang siguro ang kulang :cry: :cry:
eh, para malaman nya kung gano karami pa dito ang hindi marunong magshred. :lol:
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: Letour on September 03, 2009, 08:43:50 AM
Shredding is a method of playing that its experts and naysayers. All methods have them.
Some players cross over and combine playing styles. Just because you can't do one style doesn't mean that you are less of a guitar player. What is important is that you enjoy what you are good at.
I have been playing for over 20 years and I can't shred at all. I can play bluesy fast but that's it. I am sure that you are play notes faster than me.
But if you do want to shred, take the great advice here of the some of the members who posted. Just remember, those that can shred were once like you, starting out to shred. :-D
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on September 03, 2009, 08:56:12 AM
Most guitar technique problems can be solved by slowing down (with a metronome of course).
Never skip gradients or go past a gradient you never fully mastered.
Title: Re: I CAN'T SHRED :(
Post by: rust on September 03, 2009, 09:19:24 AM
i even start to pick up guitar for almost 10 years and up to this time i can't shred..hehe.. but im still happy i have the talent in playing guitar even just a simple licks.. i agree practice makes better...dyan ako nag kulang...hehe..
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Post by: red_hot on September 03, 2009, 09:24:21 AM
Most guitar technique problems can be solved by slowing down (with a metronome of course).
Never skip gradients or go past a gradient you never fully mastered.
tama--- take it slow don't just jumped in advance but sometimes to learn the basic we go advance then after a while we never know already doing the speed well for some its a gift if its not for us i guess better thing to adopt but practice and dont give up is our weapon!!!
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Post by: jmreyes on September 03, 2009, 09:38:27 AM
I don't shred because;
1) I cant. 2) I believe its not the number of notes that you hit. Its how you sincere you are with each and every note.
But I have to admit, I wish I could play licks faster than I could. Pero walang problema, basta't masya sa tugtugan, ayos na.
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Post by: bryanarzaga on September 03, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
Ang masakit kasi sakin... Bakit yung ibang kakilala ko, isang taon pa lang nag gitara ang bibilis na ng mga daliri... :cry:
At alam ko di rin naman sila ganun ka sipag mag praktis maggitara... Oh well may mga tao talaga sigurong talentado...
Yeah I feel yah man. :cry: :cry: :cry:
I am not alone pala. Sa mga gusto matuto mag shred but is having a hard time, let's unite! Maybe I should change the thread title?
:cry:
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Post by: arkeetar on September 03, 2009, 11:05:04 AM
gusto n'yo talagang maging shredders? Nagbigay din naman ng panahon para makuha nila yung skills ganun din tayo, basta gusto maraming paraan :lol: parang self pity kasi dating s'kin, sensya na impression lang naman :-)
hindi ako nagfocus mag shred, kahit simpleng 3 or 4 chord pattern sa isang song na walang solo ok lang s'kin basta alam kong feel ko talaga mag gitara :lol:
gusto ko pa rin matuto pero hindi sa point na kailangan ko ng matutunan ngayon or after 10years or kahit hindi ok lang :lol:
tama may mga tao natural sa kanila na mabilis matuto, bakit mo ikukumpara yung sarili sa iba? Search your own character, wag natin hanapin yung iba s'tin (parang tone lang yan magkikita din in due time) :lol:
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Post by: lestervai on September 03, 2009, 11:29:02 AM
better not to shred.. than to be a shredder wannabe.. 8-)
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Post by: aya_yuson on September 03, 2009, 11:31:39 AM
The secret to mastering any physical skill is simple --
Break the skill down into its simplest possible parts. Digest each part thoroughly. Master each component via infinitely repetitive ritualistic motions.
Put all those parts back together.
Presto, you've mastered that physical skill.
Simple.
Not easy, perhaps. But simple.
But always remember -- skill is not musicality. The ability to shred is merely the ability to articulate yourself well on your instrument. Whether or not you actually have something else to say is something else entirely.
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Post by: kragz on September 03, 2009, 11:40:57 AM
in shredding you don't have to play it too fast to sound cool... the more na accurate ang notes mo the more na it'll sound fast... kahit di kabilisan ang shred lick mo kung accurate naman notes mo eh mabilis narin sa pandinig yan...dati akong drummer pro na shift ako sa guitar.. ive been playing guitar for 2years now, and i can shred a bit :-D minsan kelangan mo rin ng pahinga para gumaling, the more you practice the more na, na i-stress ka.. pag stress ka, mabilis uminit and ulo. patience lang din bro... makukuha mo rin yan...
gusto ko pa rin matuto pero hindi sa point na kailangan ko ng matutunan ngayon or after 10years or kahit hindi ok lang :lol:
tama may mga tao natural sa kanila na mabilis matuto, bakit mo ikukumpara yung sarili sa iba? Search your own character, wag natin hanapin yung iba s'tin (parang tone lang yan magkikita din in due time) :lol:
+1
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Post by: ermonski on September 03, 2009, 11:49:26 AM
ako di rin ako marunong mag shred, nor do sweep picking.
so I developed na lang my own style which involves lots of picking and legato, which sounds a little bit like shred, its fast too, pero melodic din
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Post by: pitongjerome on September 03, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
just pick really fast and do your scaling!!
THATS SHREDDING
it may not sound nice, may not be clean , but you shred!!!!!!
well, just practice slowly and gain speed and accuracy..
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Post by: blackwingchai on September 03, 2009, 02:27:28 PM
in shredding you don't have to play it too fast to sound cool... the more na accurate ang notes mo the more na it'll sound fast... kahit di kabilisan ang shred lick mo kung accurate naman notes mo eh mabilis narin sa pandinig yan...dati akong drummer pro na shift ako sa guitar.. ive been playing guitar for 2years now, and i can shred a bit :-D minsan kelangan mo rin ng pahinga para gumaling, the more you practice the more na, na i-stress ka.. pag stress ka, mabilis uminit and ulo. patience lang din bro... makukuha mo rin yan... +1
dont want to be a shredder, i want to be a cool guitarist, tih cool licks, and colorful tune.
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Post by: terminal_1000 on September 03, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
ako naman feeling shredder, i cheat to do some shredding, i do fast picking but my left hand moves slowly.
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Post by: kingthomas on September 03, 2009, 08:36:01 PM
shredding comes from playing / learning complex parts accurately, and slowly at the same time. the muscles just builds up the strength along the way.
parang ragnarok lang yan. mag lelevel up ka pag tagal tagal. :-D
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Post by: nibram on September 03, 2009, 09:07:59 PM
"Ramdam ko kayo" :lol:
i like watching someone shred, but i don't feel the urge para matutunan yun.
mabuhay ang mga taong nakakapag-shred!
mabuhay din ang hindi marunong magshred! :mrgreen:
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Post by: dudeofdude on September 03, 2009, 09:19:53 PM
id rather be mayer than malmsteen
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 03, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
What i always remind myself even when playing fast is; play music not just notes...Shred On! 8-) 8-)
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Post by: aya_yuson on September 03, 2009, 09:38:24 PM
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Post by: phektus on September 03, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
Hindi ako nakaka shred pero medyo nag improve ang bilis ko sa simple tremolo picking (dati 80bpm on 4/4, ngayon 120bpm na after three months! ambilis no! sobrang billis nakakamangha!!! :lol: singbilis ng scooter pag tinapat sa ducati) by following these steps (applicable to any exercise, licks, scales, riffs, arps, etc.):
1. work with metronome. Invest with a good one. 2. start really slow, mas irritating mas OK! yung tipong aantukin ka dapat :lol: :lol: :lol: 3. work your way up one notch at a time. Or 10. or 50 pag mainipin ka talaga! j/k, pick a good interval, and if you fail on that level don't be afraid to go back to the slower setting 4. make sure you can do it without mistakes on several takes before raising your speed (accuracy builds up speed!). Mas maganda kung magawa mo muna on different keys and on different positions sa fretboard 5. remember number 4! 6. and memorize number 4! 7. do this everyday! or at least at regular intervals. or at least pag motivated ka talaga mag practice. 8. ??? 9. PROFIT!!!
Pero chops pa lang meron ka, hindi pa musician or guitarist... there is more to music than just technique, and shredding is all about technique, and chops are really important for the wow factor, but not for the 'historical' or 'for the ages' factor :lol: :lol: :lol: Buti na lang sa bass ako nagsimula, naintindihan ko kaagad ang place ng technique at speed sa music as a whole. Oh well failed bassist here :-) practice na lang muna ako gitara :-D :-D
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Post by: juzaen on September 03, 2009, 11:19:08 PM
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Post by: Hellghast on September 04, 2009, 02:07:45 AM
i can shred. really fast. lightning fast....
pero it sounds like crap.
so i guess i do believe na hindi lang puro bilis ang shredding. nasa selection of notes din talaga and the feel or emotion you put into it.
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Post by: progressive_pilipinas on September 04, 2009, 02:30:29 AM
true. I wish I could shred reaaaaaaallllly fast and CCCLLLLLEEEEEAAAAAANNNNN! :-D
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Post by: DrDeathRNMD98 on September 04, 2009, 03:24:56 AM
I can't shred because my fingers are too stubby..
no chance for me, right? :cry:
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Post by: saijo on September 04, 2009, 03:31:15 AM
check out michael romeo
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Post by: wh1t33rick on September 04, 2009, 04:08:56 AM
been trying to do stuffs like these in practices but in reality, I'm not really a shredder type hehehe.. I'd rather do chord voicings and a couple of riffs :-D
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Post by: turiguiliano on September 04, 2009, 04:16:24 AM
been trying to do stuffs like these in practices but in reality, I'm not really a shredder type hehehe.. I'd rather do chord voicings and a couple of riffs :-D
me too. lulz.
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Post by: Letour on September 04, 2009, 04:32:18 AM
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Post by: Phil on September 04, 2009, 04:37:56 AM
I shred my brief whenever I go and take a long bath.
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Post by: lovecore on September 04, 2009, 05:41:08 AM
disclaimer muna. sa mga may kakilala sa akin sa philmusic alam nilang mabait at makulit ako so take my answer with that in mind and not by aiming to sound like a jerk...
"So what?" hehehe
If I knew how to, I'd still say the same. It's not a measure of your level as a guitar player so don't worry about it. It doesn't mean you're excused from practicing of course or improving your skills in tryin to achieve speed. Just making sure that shredding is not seen as a gauge :-D
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Post by: william251082 on September 04, 2009, 05:42:22 AM
The secret to mastering any physical skill is simple --
Break the skill down into its simplest possible parts. Digest each part thoroughly. Master each component via infinitely repetitive ritualistic motions.
Put all those parts back together.
Presto, you've mastered that physical skill.
Simple.
Not easy, perhaps. But simple.
But always remember -- skill is not musicality. The ability to shred is merely the ability to articulate yourself well on your instrument. Whether or not you actually have something else to say is something else entirely.
PERFECT ANSWER!!! sa mga kabataang musikero, yan ang pakinggan nyo ng hindi kayo maligaw sa kawalan! It'll save you A LOT of time to be a musician who'll be of any worth at all. Madami din akong nasayang na time nung di ko pa narerealize 'to .
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 04, 2009, 05:52:35 AM
Very well said.. 8-) 8-)
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Post by: arkeetar on September 04, 2009, 08:30:47 AM
walang posts from shredders? :mrgreen:
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Post by: lestervai on September 04, 2009, 09:06:08 AM
it's better not to shred and not to play guitar than this...
:mrgreen:
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 04, 2009, 09:39:55 AM
This is untrue. My fingers are stubby and when I was working on pure velocity, I hit 16th notes at 220bpm, which is rather fast. Don't get me wrong, I say this not to brag but simply to prove that the shape of your fingers has nothing to do with their performance.
Ika nga ng Adidas, "Impossible is nothing".
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Post by: rennaov on September 04, 2009, 01:05:05 PM
loslos nang shred. kamo ray giilad ana. 8-)
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Post by: william251082 on September 04, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
Dati nung high school/college days ko sa pinas, may instructional video ako ni malmsteen, petrucci at ung warm up video ni frank gambale (sa fade to black ko nabili, di pa sikat ang internet nun eh). More or less nakaya kong sabayan lahat yun at memorize ko lahat, parang academic approach kasi ang ginawa ko eh. Tapos nung nag-try akong maki-jam na ko sa mga magaling na musicians pucha wala akong matugtog kundi ung mga ideas dun sa book. I didn't feel like I was making music when I did that.
This is what I realized since then: MUSIC SHOULD LEAD TECHNIQUE and NEVER the other way around.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on September 04, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Parang basketball yan. Ang trying-hard na shredder, pipilitin i-dunk ang bola para maka pogi points. Pag di na-shoot ang dunk, sasabihan ng teammate "Sana ni-lay-up mo na lang... 2 points din naman ang dunk eh..."
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Post by: demoboi on September 04, 2009, 03:24:29 PM
Parang basketball yan. Ang trying-hard na shredder, pipilitin i-dunk ang bola para maka pogi points. Pag di na-shoot ang dunk, sasabihan ng teammate "Sana ni-lay-up mo na lang... 2 points din naman ang dunk eh..."
I agree! I can't shred too. I tried but failed. I can play fast licks but for continuous shredding, di kaya. I've noticed that the licks that I play more often are the licks that I can play at a faster pace. Finger memory ika nga.
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Post by: chadrobles on September 04, 2009, 05:07:39 PM
Some people can't either, including me,Bro. Being left-handed, it was difficult for me to sync up my left & right hand. Feeling ko my right hand is not at par w/ my left in terms of speed.
Pero sabi nga sa nabasa ko dito, ensayo lang yan. Break it down into fragments muna then when you get the hang of it, explore the longer, meaner & more intricate passages
Shredding encompasses a wide array of technique like alternate picking, sweep/econo picking, tapping,legato & string skipping.Any technique executed at warp speed is shredding, I think( comping at 300 BPM, anyone?)
With just the right practice routine, Shredding will help you develop articulation & dexterity.It's a great addition to your arsenal. It's like having a gatling gun at your disposal.
It's a lot easier to manifest your thoughts when you're well articulated w/ the instrument. It'll be easier for you to execute a Lydian Flat 7 lick(given you know the theory, that is) w/ the blink of an eye.
Let's try keep an open mind pag dating sa shredding, lalo na if you're big on improv, more articulation = less dapa.
Think of it as a tool, " Mas maganda na yung meron ka at di mo nagamit kesa kelanganin mo pero wala ka magamit "
:mrgreen:
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Post by: markv on September 04, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
Repetition is next to Godliness.
:D
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Post by: rednas on September 04, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
Yep... play it slow then slowly move it up to speed. Pero that's not all, isang aspect palang yan. You have to worry about timing, dynamics, "feel" and etc... Mga master na magtuturo nyan haha. Sarap nung mga shredder na sobrang "liquid" ang flow ng licks, napapatingin ako sa gitara at ginaganahan magpraktis... hehe pero matinding consistent training talaga if you want to be worthy of the term "shredder". Dami kasi ala sa lugar mag"shred" kaya minsan panget sa pandinig ang term na shredd... pero may mga magagaling din naman and kahit siguro mga die hard slow blues fans eh mapapabilib ng isang tulad ni Vai or EJ. :)
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Post by: Lahed92801 on September 04, 2009, 06:24:54 PM
You can't shred? So what? That's not a problem :-) End of story.
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Post by: Opay21 on September 04, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Woah, nagulat ako inabut ng 3 pages agad. It's not that I want to shred to melt faces or something mga sirs. Well it's like (pardon my terms) the concept of condoms (narinig ko lang to sa alien vs predator pramis hindi sakin to galing), "I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it". Ewan, I know some of you guys know how to sweep pick but not really use it in songs or stuff. It's kind of a nice technique to learn. PERO HINDI KO MAGAWA. :cry: :cry: :cry:
I kinda get what you mean by " So what mga sirs". :-D :-D :-D
Thanks for the replies mga sirs, Godbless PM!
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Post by: wh1t33rick on September 04, 2009, 08:46:30 PM
wow nice insights sir Chad...I thought i've given up on shredss since I am also a left handy..thanks talaga :lol:
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Post by: burnthyfret on September 04, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
i can't shred too. :lol:
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Post by: arkinet on September 04, 2009, 10:36:23 PM
shredding? ano yan? ehehehe jk lang... o opay hapi ka na mas maraming ndi nag s-shred? :-D I'd admit I'd like to be fast, but ika nga "its not the speed of the pick, but the spirit of the lick" o di ba? :roll:
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 04, 2009, 10:41:39 PM
I still love Shred!.. 8-) :lol:
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Post by: siore on September 04, 2009, 11:27:38 PM
Parang basketball yan. Ang trying-hard na shredder, pipilitin i-dunk ang bola para maka pogi points. Pag di na-shoot ang dunk, sasabihan ng teammate "Sana ni-lay-up mo na lang... 2 points din naman ang dunk eh..."
Pag may napapanood akong PBA player na naka-steal, all alone sa breakaway, tapos nag-layup lang... Reaction ko.....
Nice play! :-D
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Post by: lestervai on September 04, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
Miles, paturo ha hehehe oo nga pala forte mo ito eh 8-)
Ha ha not really...i like listening to some sensible shred music and i can play some but i'm not an expert on the field.. :lol:
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Post by: william251082 on September 06, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
Shred, acid pop, trance etc. music is music there are only 2 types great and crappy.
Rhythmic feel and precision is FAR MORE important than just mere speed.
All the best fast playing are melodically, harmonically and rhythmically interesting and innovative, (Charlie Parker, John Coltrane etc.) not just some geometric movement on the fretboard. Ever wonder why other instrumentalists laugh at guitarists? :-D
Playing fast is just one musical tool, it should ALWAYS be of servant to music not the other way around.
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Post by: deewantoy_11 on September 06, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
Pangit pag paulit ulit., wala naman emotion..,
mas maganda ung medyo mabilis tapos may hanep sa melody...Gaya nito.. :).
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Post by: still on September 06, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
HI aku nag gigitara na ko for almost 4 years nagsimula ako grade 5 pero ngayong third year lang ako nag seryoso at lalo pang lumawak ang kaalaman ko tungkol sa music and guitars. Nag improve na rin yung playing kumpara sa dati pero parang minsan pag medyo advance na yung difficulty ng kanta kahit natutogtog ko siya parang pansin ko di pa rin ganun kalinis.
Share naman kayo ng techniques upang mas maayos at malinis ang shred
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Post by: munkyboi on September 06, 2009, 10:50:28 PM
parang bike yan.. slow then fast!
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Post by: deewantoy_11 on September 06, 2009, 10:58:05 PM
HI aku nag gigitara na ko for almost 4 years nagsimula ako grade 5 pero ngayong third year lang ako nag seryoso at lalo pang lumawak ang kaalaman ko tungkol sa music and guitars. Nag improve na rin yung playing kumpara sa dati pero parang minsan pag medyo advance na yung difficulty ng kanta kahit natutogtog ko siya parang pansin ko di pa rin ganun kalinis.
Share naman kayo ng techniques upang mas maayos at malinis ang shred
practice lang., mag umpisa sa MABAGAL at wag mag sho short cut.,
play with drum machine., tas try mo dag dagan ung speed ng drum machine pag malinis na ung mga notes mo..,
basta WAG MAG SHO SHORT CUT.,
mag warm up bago mag play ng mga medyo mahirap., iwas frustration.,
mga boss paano ba gamitin ung metronome ng zoom g1x?, alin ba mas maganda., drum machine o metronome?
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Post by: choki choki on September 06, 2009, 11:02:13 PM
as dave mustaine said " most punk bands don't like metal songs because they cant do play metal songs" same with shredding....
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Post by: juts on September 07, 2009, 12:13:56 AM
me 100! di din ako nakaka shred pero i know my way sa gitara.
kaya nag chug chug riffs nalang ako. :mrgreen:
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Post by: kubetamax on September 07, 2009, 12:25:51 AM
ako si kubeta at hindi ako marunong mag shred kase simula 1st yr acoustic lang gamit kase pulube ako at mas trip ko tunog ng led zep (sloppy)
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Post by: jpg888 on September 07, 2009, 02:42:03 AM
nabasa ko po ito sa magazine
"you don't need ten of your fingers to play the guitar if you want to shred an audience use a chain saw"
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 07, 2009, 07:13:03 AM
Make sure you don't cut that precious guitar though.. :lol:
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Post by: junig on September 07, 2009, 07:52:07 AM
:? :? :? :? What exactly was he doing? :lol: :lol: :lol: Hi guys, I read your comments and right now it's mostly "too much is boring". I just wanted to learn but simply can't, No intention of over using it. :-D Thanks for sharing my burden. @progressive pilipinas - Funny, I mean how you stated your statement with your name and all. :lol: :lol: @all - thanks!
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Post by: lestervai on September 07, 2009, 01:52:26 PM
WOW :-o ang bilis parang motor! those bluesy lines aren't quite in the pocket but great speed indeed! Dapat dinagdagan nya ng arpeggios para may contrast naman dun sa mga fast scalar stuff nya.
Kung nota ang bayaran, hindi ako malulugi pag nanood ako ng concert nya :-D
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Post by: chadrobles on September 07, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
some "rapsa" shredding for you reference.
Enjoy!
:wink:
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Post by: el dorko on September 07, 2009, 06:40:16 PM
I saw a video of Guthrie & Alex jammin' in youtube. Rotosound booth ata yun, sa NAMM.
Guthrie is an awesome player, I just find Alex' playing fresh. :-)
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Post by: chadrobles on September 07, 2009, 07:54:47 PM
^^^ BTW, the sweep picking licks are reminiscent of Gambale. 8-)
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Post by: william251082 on September 11, 2009, 04:16:50 AM
Wow malupit nga yung ALEX HUTCHINGS! malinamnam pa ang tone. I don't really care how people label that music pero oks na oks sya talaga. thanks for the link!
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Post by: solicitor_general02 on September 11, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
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Post by: fusionenigma on September 13, 2009, 07:40:44 AM
halos naman lahat ng gitarista ngayon dumadaan sa phase na gusto mag-shred. kahit si bireli...
:-D
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Post by: screamingguitars on September 13, 2009, 07:49:12 AM
Shred is never dead! 8-) 8-)
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Post by: william251082 on September 13, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
great shredding!!!
check out 3.47!
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Post by: william251082 on September 16, 2009, 02:07:16 AM
Don’t forget that playing clear and simple is a kind of virtuosity too!
Sige nga, mag shred ka sa mga mahihirap na Wayne Shorter ballads? Doesn’t it sound horrible???
Less is more, if you don’t know what I mean by that? then listen to the masters, Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Bill Evans, Jim Hall and the likes. John Scofield doesn’t even play fast busy lines on a fast tune, but his sense of groove, harmony and melody can kill you (not literally of course).
Chops alone won’t save your life in a professional jam session.
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Post by: fusionenigma on September 16, 2009, 08:26:04 AM
Don’t forget that playing clear and simple is a kind of virtuosity too!
Sige nga, mag shred ka sa mga mahihirap na Wayne Shorter ballads? Doesn’t it sound horrible???
Less is more, if you don’t know what I mean by that? then listen to the masters, Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Bill Evans, Jim Hall and the likes. John Scofield doesn’t even play fast busy lines on a fast tune, but his sense of groove, harmony and melody can kill you (not literally of course).
Chops alone won’t save your life in a professional jam session.
sabi nga nila "shredding in blues and jazz sucks" like on this one
actually bro, dami mabibilis na lines si scofield sa En Route album pero may groove pa rin. scofield fan here hehe. :-)
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Post by: raizen26 on September 16, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
@ Opay21
i used to shred all the time and soon however, naumay ako to shred in every phrase of the song so I tried to learn other stuffs with more feel and bleeding notes (ballads from skid row, tesla etc...) and lately, I dug into my collection and found an interesting way to shred....REB BEACH style. how could i have ever missed out on his playing??? (wala nang hihirit sa edad at genre ko at sasakalin ko kayo! hahaha! :lol:)
He also had problems with shredding long runs and he didn't wanted to so he deviced another way the sound is cool enough for me, try it! you may take interest in learning his way of shredding :wink:
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Post by: tweenty-seven on September 16, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
hahaha! nabubulol na yung nota sa bilis ah hahaha halimaw nga!!
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Post by: Opay21 on September 16, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
Sometimes namimiss interpret natin ang shredding actually. Pag shredding minsan kailang heavy ang tugtugan tapos mabigat ung drive. I really think shredding are just fast runs.... WHICH I STILL CAN'T DO. :lol: :lol:
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Post by: erniebong on September 16, 2009, 05:31:16 PM
sometimes you need to really be desperate in wanting something before you could have it..... if it becomes your obsession no one can stop you from having it but you.
if you think and say you cant do it... you cant do it.... program your mindset that what you want is achievable before you practice
"fears and limitations are just illusions" Michael Jordan hall of fame speech
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Post by: demoboi on September 17, 2009, 12:55:51 AM
Don’t forget that playing clear and simple is a kind of virtuosity too!
Sige nga, mag shred ka sa mga mahihirap na Wayne Shorter ballads? Doesn’t it sound horrible???
Less is more, if you don’t know what I mean by that? then listen to the masters, Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Bill Evans, Jim Hall and the likes. John Scofield doesn’t even play fast busy lines on a fast tune, but his sense of groove, harmony and melody can kill you (not literally of course).
Chops alone won’t save your life in a professional jam session.
+1.
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Post by: nancy brew on September 17, 2009, 09:30:50 AM
eh, para malaman nya kung gano karami pa dito ang hindi marunong magshred. :lol:
Me Seven! ! :-D
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Post by: omat17 on September 19, 2009, 11:35:03 PM
ako din, i can't shred..T_T pero i don't think i'll need it naman...:D
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Post by: Jejan on September 20, 2009, 06:02:51 PM
Yup. Shredding is what I believe a necessity of guitarists. If you're a versatile guitarist, then you are a good guitarist. :)
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Post by: ibysdad on September 20, 2009, 07:36:26 PM
you might like to check out this site if you haven't yet:
http://www.ibreathemusic.com/subcat/9
lots of ideas about practicing and stuff, just make sure not to overload yourself. Pick out an article that interest you most, and work on it until you absorb the concepts and the very important thing is don't forget to enjoy, mind you :-)!
If it seems too much just take a break. Goodluck!
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Post by: Mardk on September 20, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
why shred when you can bend.
bend na lang ng bend.
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Post by: grafikhub on September 20, 2009, 10:22:00 PM
Same here :-( though gusto ko talaga matuto mag shred. I have been playing the guitar for eleven years now but I still find it really hard to shred. Most of my friends (mga tinuturuan ko dati mag gitara) can now shred. How i envy them...Huhuhuhuhuh. :-( :-(
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Post by: 24242009 on September 20, 2009, 11:52:16 PM
sa GT-10 may patch na "auto-riff" tama ba ako? nakalimutan ko na. para ka na ding nagshred nun, isa-isang tipa lang tunog shreding na
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Post by: grafikhub on September 21, 2009, 01:16:45 AM
uu bro!! haha. sa GT-8 din may auto-riff na effects.. haha nakakadaya! hehe
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Post by: h3adrock3r on September 25, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
hehe! ako rin i can't...siguro in few times.. pero i don't do much.. simply because di ganun tugtugan ko eh.. hehehe!
well.. ok din yung marunong ka para kahit san ka dalhin pwede ka..and para maiba-iba naman from your style of playing..
and para sa akin.. musicality is everything! :-D
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Post by: ninejuicyjulius on September 25, 2009, 03:59:26 PM
Not a fan of shredding so... keber. lol
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Post by: guitarwiz02 on September 25, 2009, 04:08:28 PM
If you want to have a different kind of approach to speed picking or shredding, just read my signature. :mrgreen:
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Post by: GuitarFox on September 25, 2009, 06:42:32 PM
I can't Shred either.
I'm trying too, but my fingers fall off :lol:
Peace.
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Post by: dimasalang on September 25, 2009, 07:23:12 PM
i can, but not that "halimaw mode"
ika nga ng halos milyong milyong gitarista, gamitin ang metronome. araw-araw mag practice wag ma-atat. di mo makukuha yan sa isang araw lang at sa pangangarap lang. lahat ng bagay pinaghihirapan.
peace.
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Post by: rad_12 on September 26, 2009, 12:15:43 AM
@ TS lahat ng sinabi ng ibang forumer tama yun patience, use metronome, start slow build your speed gradually and more practice wag lang sobra baka ma-burn out ka lang pag pinilit mo...eto ginagawa ko sa ngayon di ko alam kung mag-wowork sa ibang tao..
warm-up exercises using metronome (like chromatic scales, major, minor etc.) use backing tracks take some rest kung pagod na kamay mo for 1 hour then back to routine... 1-2 hours pwede na yun for 1 day (kung bitin gawin mong 2 hours) enjoy mo lang yung practice para di ka ma-burn out
tama ba ako?
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Post by: raizen26 on September 26, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
@ TS lahat ng sinabi ng ibang forumer tama yun patience, use metronome, start slow build your speed gradually and more practice wag lang sobra baka ma-burn out ka lang pag pinilit mo...eto ginagawa ko sa ngayon di ko alam kung mag-wowork sa ibang tao..
warm-up exercises using metronome (like chromatic scales, major, minor etc.) use backing tracks take some rest kung pagod na kamay mo for 1 hour then back to routine... 1-2 hours pwede na yun for 1 day (kung bitin gawin mong 2 hours) enjoy mo lang yung practice para di ka ma-burn out
tama ba ako?
i guess it applies to everything and i subscribe to this....kahit di pako ako matatawag na shredder hehehe
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Post by: william251082 on September 26, 2009, 01:47:52 AM
I completely disagree dun sa sinabing "pag marunong ka mag-shred kaya mo na lahat". That's just freakin' IMPOSSIBLE. There's so much more to music than playing fast notes and being a robot player.
Sangkatutak ang nakikita ko sa youtube ang lupit mag-shred, pag nag- blues or jazz na para ng robot tumugtog!!!
It's also not about the style of music, some rockers have more groove than some jazzers so my point is "I don't really care if you play fast, slow or medium, as long as you have some groove"
Groove is something that happen inside a beat, kung puro speed lang, eh konti na lang ang lugar para magkagroove. Wonder why it sounds robotic? Even cheap pop music have a "beat" but good music should have the groove.
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Post by: rad_12 on September 26, 2009, 08:36:23 AM
I completely disagree dun sa sinabing "pag marunong ka mag-shred kaya mo na lahat". That's just freakin' IMPOSSIBLE. There's so much more to music than playing fast notes and being a robot player.
Sangkatutak ang nakikita ko sa youtube ang lupit mag-shred, pag nag- blues or jazz na para ng robot tumugtog!!!
It's also not about the style of music, some rockers have more groove than some jazzers so my point is "I don't really care if you play fast, slow or medium, as long as you have some groove"
Groove is something that happen inside a beat, kung puro speed lang, eh konti na lang ang lugar para magkagroove. Wonder why it sounds robotic? Even cheap pop music have a "beat" but good music should have the groove.
sir william dagdag ko lang sa groove yung lagkit ng pagpa-patunog ng mga phrasings
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Post by: dimasalang on September 26, 2009, 08:41:48 AM
I completely disagree dun sa sinabing "pag marunong ka mag-shred kaya mo na lahat". That's just freakin' IMPOSSIBLE. There's so much more to music than playing fast notes and being a robot player.
Sangkatutak ang nakikita ko sa youtube ang lupit mag-shred, pag nag- blues or jazz na para ng robot tumugtog!!!
It's also not about the style of music, some rockers have more groove than some jazzers so my point is "I don't really care if you play fast, slow or medium, as long as you have some groove"
Groove is something that happen inside a beat, kung puro speed lang, eh konti na lang ang lugar para magkagroove. Wonder why it sounds robotic? Even cheap pop music have a "beat" but good music should have the groove.
agree. shredding is not a superweapon, it's just a style.
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Post by: HH_and_EE on September 26, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
to shred or not to shred..madami naman style..kahit slow hand ok lang..pero for me shred ang gusto kong style. :-D
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Post by: Opay21 on September 26, 2009, 02:45:53 PM
@ TS lahat ng sinabi ng ibang forumer tama yun patience, use metronome, start slow build your speed gradually and more practice wag lang sobra baka ma-burn out ka lang pag pinilit mo...eto ginagawa ko sa ngayon di ko alam kung mag-wowork sa ibang tao..
warm-up exercises using metronome (like chromatic scales, major, minor etc.) use backing tracks take some rest kung pagod na kamay mo for 1 hour then back to routine... 1-2 hours pwede na yun for 1 day (kung bitin gawin mong 2 hours) enjoy mo lang yung practice para di ka ma-burn out
tama ba ako?
Tama kayo sir, nothing wrong in being frustrated though. :-D :-D
Title: you can SHRED IF NOT TOO LAZY
Post by: askwho69 on September 26, 2009, 05:48:15 PM
Laziness is the obstacle why you cant shred!!! START SLOWLY SLOWLY SLOWLY SLOWLY!!!if Mastered the pattern do it faster BUT NOT TOO FAST>> FOCUS TOO!!! MORE FOCus..YOU SHOULD HEAR WHAT NOTES YOURE SHREDDING>>Believe me... PLAY 5 times a week, alternate the relax time.. RELAX TIME MEANS NO GUITAR ON THAT DAY.. SO that the mind wont stack.. in ONE WEEK PLAY THE SAME PATTERN if the tempo achieves go next pattern... thats all JUST BE PATIENT
Title: Re: you can SHRED IF NOT TOO LAZY
Post by: peabrain12789 on September 26, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
Laziness is the obstacle why you cant shred!!! START SLOWLY SLOWLY SLOWLY SLOWLY!!!if Mastered the pattern do it faster BUT NOT TOO FAST>> FOCUS TOO!!! MORE FOCus..YOU SHOULD HEAR WHAT NOTES YOURE SHREDDING>>Believe me... PLAY 5 times a week, alternate the relax time.. RELAX TIME MEANS NO GUITAR ON THAT DAY.. SO that the mind wont stack.. in ONE WEEK PLAY THE SAME PATTERN if the tempo achieves go next pattern... thats all JUST BE PATIENT
..little patience, mm yeah, ooh yeah, Need a little patience, yeah Just a little patience, yeah Some more pati... (ence, yeah) I've been scaling these frets at night Just trying to get it right (Need some patience, yeah) It's hard to see with so many around You know I don't like being stuck in a chord (Could use some patience, yeah) And the scales don't change but maybe the name I ain't got time for the game 'Cause I need you (Patience, yeah) Yeah, yeah well I need you Oh, I need you (Take some patience) Whoa, I need you (Just a little patience is all we need) Ooh, this ti- me....
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Post by: aya_yuson on September 27, 2009, 10:32:38 AM
I completely disagree dun sa sinabing "pag marunong ka mag-shred kaya mo na lahat". That's just freakin' IMPOSSIBLE. There's so much more to music than playing fast notes and being a robot player.
Sangkatutak ang nakikita ko sa youtube ang lupit mag-shred, pag nag- blues or jazz na para ng robot tumugtog!!!
It's also not about the style of music, some rockers have more groove than some jazzers so my point is "I don't really care if you play fast, slow or medium, as long as you have some groove"
Groove is something that happen inside a beat, kung puro speed lang, eh konti na lang ang lugar para magkagroove. Wonder why it sounds robotic? Even cheap pop music have a "beat" but good music should have the groove.
Let's groove tonight share the spice of life wanna groove tonight...
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Post by: solicitor_general02 on September 27, 2009, 04:32:43 PM
may factor ba ang guitar sa pagshred? just an inquiry lang because im planning to a buy floyded guitar for shredding daw? i maybe wrong. :mrgreen:
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Post by: raizen26 on September 27, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
IMO, it depends kung ano trip mo. yngwie malmsteen doesn't have a floyded guitar. but he surely shreds like hell! :evil:
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Post by: donard on September 28, 2009, 10:09:40 AM
may factor ba ang guitar sa pagshred? just an inquiry lang because im planning to a buy floyded guitar for shredding daw? i maybe wrong. :mrgreen:
pwede naman kahit di floyded eh. para sakin yung mas mababa na action ang mahalaga. :-P
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Post by: tweenty-seven on October 07, 2009, 03:55:58 PM
mga shredder/legato players.. alam ko po na ito ay isang skills na talaga, pero pag dating sa technical na usapan , ano ba usually yung gamit ninyong effects o high gain pedal para sa shred/legato na malinis ang tunog? i mean all the way gain level ba? 12 o clock? heavy metal dist ba? OD? pure high gain or may mga reverb pa?
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Post by: ATS on October 07, 2009, 04:05:56 PM
count me in bros.:D tagal kona nag gigitara pero hindi ako nakapag shred kahit kelan..:D nag focus kasi ako sa creativity yung simple pero masarap sa tenga at kakaiba..:D ni hindi din ako nag so solo ng solid..:D ok lang yan:Dhehe
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Post by: raizen26 on October 07, 2009, 04:27:34 PM
mga shredder/legato players.. alam ko po na ito ay isang skills na talaga, pero pag dating sa technical na usapan , ano ba usually yung gamit ninyong effects o high gain pedal para sa shred/legato na malinis ang tunog? i mean all the way gain level ba? 12 o clock? heavy metal dist ba? OD? pure high gain or may mga reverb pa?
for me, not necessarily heavy/high gain sound as long as clear ang notes. you can even shred with an acoustic guitar if you like (nuno bettencourt/yngwie malmsteen for example plus other flamenco masters). the pedals/effects are for the tone or sound that you like. Malamig nga sa tenga pag shredding with clean tone. yun lang, dinig lahat ng sabit ko hehehe!
I also suggest practice shredding with clean tone plus metronome, mas dinig mo each note and kung clear and kung fluid ang runs. if ok na, lapatan mo na ng gain to your liking basta dinig pa din bawat notes.
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Post by: bentoinks on October 07, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
count me in bros.:D tagal kona nag gigitara pero hindi ako nakapag shred kahit kelan..:D nag focus kasi ako sa creativity yung simple pero masarap sa tenga at kakaiba..:D ni hindi din ako nag so solo ng solid..:D ok lang yan:Dhehe
+1 for you bro, ok na ok lang yun
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Post by: dimasalang on October 07, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
for me, not necessarily heavy/high gain sound as long as clear ang notes. you can even shred with an acoustic guitar if you like (nuno bettencourt/yngwie malmsteen for example plus other flamenco masters). the pedals/effects are for the tone or sound that you like. Malamig nga sa tenga pag shredding with clean tone. yun lang, dinig lahat ng sabit ko hehehe!
I also suggest practice shredding with clean tone plus metronome, mas dinig mo each note and kung clear and kung fluid ang runs. if ok na, lapatan mo na ng gain to your liking basta dinig pa din bawat notes.
2 thumbs up. ganyan din ang ginagawa ko. clean lang pag practice para malaman mo yung error mo sa mga note.
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Post by: raizen26 on October 07, 2009, 08:06:37 PM
2 thumbs up. ganyan din ang ginagawa ko. clean lang pag practice para malaman mo yung error mo sa mga note.
e di super galing ka na? :-D
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Post by: dimasalang on October 08, 2009, 06:32:24 AM
di pa nga eh. :-o madalig sabihin, mahirap gawin LOL :evil: :evil:
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Post by: jamesplaysguitar on October 08, 2009, 07:30:49 AM
i cant shred..But i can do fast licks but i can't do it consistently and cant play fast for long, my wrists gets tired very quickly..a product of a wrong practice routine.
Most great guitar players in the world cant shred,because they settle for tone, melody,rhythm and vibrato instead.
IMO, better settle for a good tone and work your way through blues kahit mabagal mabangis masarap ang feel!All the great guitar players in the world started in blues,Blues masters such as Jeff Beck,Clapton,SRV,Hendrix etc.Even shredders such as Paul Gilbert and Shawn lane, Malmsteen, Satriani, Petrucci and Guthrie Govan all started in blues.
Worry more about your tone and your phrasing..dont be like others na shred nga ng shred wala namang melodic content,just a blur of notes
Share ko lang you might find some useful tips here: http://www.thewizardofshred.com/
It may be effective to some to others hindi, But its worth the try if you really want to shred.
Maraming shredders sa philmusic they just dont want you to learn their secret. :lol: jk lng pips
good luck and keep on practicing dude :-D
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Post by: donard on October 08, 2009, 10:43:27 AM
^ kahat ng shredders na yun sa isa lang nag simula
PRACTICE :evil:
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Post by: art_attack16 on October 08, 2009, 11:25:01 AM
yakang yaka nyo mag shred. ^_^ practice lang yan.. before i used to think that 6 string arpeggios are hard eh pwede nga naman palang mabagal ang arpeggios ^_^ practice lang
perseverance, study well and good sleeping habits :-D
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Post by: dimasalang on October 08, 2009, 11:57:53 AM
yakang yaka nyo mag shred. ^_^ practice lang yan.. before i used to think that 6 string arpeggios are hard eh pwede nga naman palang mabagal ang arpeggios ^_^ practice lang
perseverance, study well and good sleeping habits :-D
you mean study well in school? :-P
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Post by: masterchoxter on October 08, 2009, 12:04:12 PM
why talk fast when you can whisper sweet melodies to the ears of your audience... :wink:
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Post by: fusionenigma on October 08, 2009, 05:02:03 PM
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Post by: Opay21 on October 10, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
How bout changing the thread title to another title? "the non shred thread" or "the we cant shred YET" thread? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Since mejo na overcome ko na ang frustration ko sa hindi ko pag shred. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: deewantoy_11 on October 10, 2009, 12:18:58 PM
Tsk., habambuhay na ata ako shred wannabe.., haha., kakasawa din ang mag practice., :lol:
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Post by: lestervai on October 10, 2009, 01:19:29 PM
sana nagtutugma yung dalawang kamay ko at mga daliri ko na makapagshred ng maaus.. pero hindi talga.. haha :evil:
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Post by: raizen26 on October 10, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
use a meronoe and start a a slow phase, wag madaliin :-D
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 10, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
Meronoe?
Kaanu-ano niyan ang potatoe, tomatoe at big toe?
"May metronome ka na ba, ihoe?"
"Meronoe."
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Post by: Opay21 on October 10, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
ahahaha! sorry nagtopak yung keyboard ko eh hehehe! anyway, to the thread starter, wag mo gagayahin itong taong hindi nagtyaga para aralin ang shredding :-D
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Post by: kingthomas on October 11, 2009, 03:09:06 AM
Sya yan diba? (http://www.bartcop.com/marilyn-monroe002.jpg)
"Is that a Meronoe in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
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Post by: askwho69 on October 12, 2009, 09:22:13 PM
sakin ang shredding boring kc limited and idea.. yun lang lagi.. kc yun lang ang na master diba? maganda melodic.. sakin lang hahaha
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Post by: thrash666 on October 12, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
i can't shred too, kaya pag minsan pero MADUMI parang libag..
nkakabagot din kasi mag practice kung laging stressed :| :|
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Post by: bluenote on October 12, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
just for laughs here I was during my hair metal days back when I was still trying to shred hehehe na halug hog ko... http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5564179
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Post by: william251082 on October 13, 2009, 01:01:04 AM
Parang yung mga music sa mtv, most of the crap there just sucks kaya hindi naman pinapanood yung mga nandun para sa music eh, tinitingnan lang kung may mga nagpapasexy na babes.
Ganun din yung iba manood ng shredding, walang pakialam sa music, gusto lang makakita ng mabilis na kamay :-D
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Post by: raybrig on October 13, 2009, 08:50:45 AM
Parang yung mga music sa mtv, most of the crap there just sucks kaya hindi naman pinapanood yung mga nandun para sa music eh, tinitingnan lang kung may mga nagpapasexy na babes.
Ganun din yung iba manood ng shredding, walang pakialam sa music, gusto lang makakita ng mabilis na kamay :-D
Well I guess sila yun pwede nating tawaging "noob" when it comes to music. Well thats my opinion lang naman :-) Pansin ko nga marami sa mga taong konti or worse, walang alam sa music, hinanahanap lang nila un mga flashy stuffs, in our topic, fast shredding
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 15, 2009, 11:47:28 AM
just for laughs here I was during my hair metal days back when I was still trying to shred hehehe na halug hog ko... http://soundclick.com/share?songid=5564179
Sir, gleng-gleng! Idol!
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Post by: ermonski on October 16, 2009, 11:49:01 AM
shredding hindi lahat binabagayan.
sa prog metal, thrash metal and such, medyo requirement ang shredding kasi nga technically demanding ang genres na yan.
sa blues-rock, hard rock, alternative chorva chorva, kahit simpleng soloing lang ok na.
depende sa hinihingi ng genre at kanta. depende sa tugtugan ng player kung kailangan niya talaga matutunan ang shredding or hinde
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Post by: dehinsss on October 16, 2009, 11:37:35 PM
anyone can shred. its only that some have to start out much slower than others. try playing shred licks as slow as you possible can perfectly, and just keep going faster. youll be amazed as to how you progress and hit notes dead on. the key here is to do them as perfectly and as clean as you can. when it comes to sweep picking, it may be difficult to go too slow since its going to be like picking 1 string at a time instead of a "flowing" sweep. they key here is that you make sure your picking hand does 1 fluid motion no matter how slow. (dont do 6 individual downstrokes. instead, try to make it 1 motion.) and concentrate. dont just think about going fast.
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Post by: fonzguitar13 on October 17, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
playing guitar is not about shredding, depende sa type ng tutugtugin mo yung gagawin mong tunog, pero eto tip: wag mong madaliin ang lahat magsimula ka lang sa mabagal, use metronome para malaman mo yung speed na gusto mo, magconcentrate ka sa accent ng picking at finger mo, for short its all about the ACCENT :-)
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Post by: william251082 on October 17, 2009, 03:41:52 AM
playing guitar is not about shredding, depende sa type ng tutugtugin mo yung gagawin mong tunog, pero eto tip: wag mong madaliin ang lahat magsimula ka lang sa mabagal, use metronome para malaman mo yung speed na gusto mo, magconcentrate ka sa accent ng picking at finger mo, for short its all about the ACCENT :-)
exactly =)
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Post by: dimasalang on October 18, 2009, 09:19:56 PM