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The Music Forums => The Rock Music Board => Topic started by: kornbip99 on September 23, 2009, 11:43:58 AM
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I mean, gaya ng mga artistang nadidiscover lng sa kung saan saan nakatambay. Yung bang mga naririnig natin sa mga stories ng mga banda dati na tumutugtug lng sila sa isang gig tapos di nila alam na may nakinig pala na producer or A and R na rep ng isang label tapos kinausap sila at nagkakontrata na. Tapos pinasikat ng todo ng label.
May mga producers pa ba jan or A and R ng mga labels na gumagala sa mga underground gigs para mangrecruit ng bagong artists? Parang wla na kasi eh.
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Ang publema, kahit all-looks, all-talent pa kayo, wala na masyadoing budget ang record companies para magkaroon ng maraming artist. Mas gusto nila sa sureball, and minsan pa nga, pinipirata lang nila mga artist na galing sa ibang record company na nag-expire na kontrata. Talk about, less risks to take in building up a new talent.
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Ang publema, kahit all-looks, all-talent pa kayo, wala na masyadoing budget ang record companies para magkaroon ng maraming artist. Mas gusto nila sa sureball, and minsan pa nga, pinipirata lang nila mga artist na galing sa ibang record company na nag-expire na kontrata. Talk about, less risks to take in building up a new talent.
pucha...i hate to admit it, pero onga noh. mukhang ganito nga ang nangyayari. Mag sign na lng ng tried and tested na banda kaysa mag take ng risk sa hindi pa sure.
Pero kung magiisip lng sana sila ulit, makikita nilang the bigger the risk, the bigger the return. Kung bagong tunog pa ang banda, ang label na nagsign sa kanila ay pwede pang magumpisa ng bagong musical revolution.
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meh. major label recognition is rather old school for me.
just saying.
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meh. major label recognition is rather old school for me.
just saying.
I totally respect your opinion. Thing is though, for me, i want to make a living out of playing. I'm sure there are other ways to make money out of music what with modern developments such as the internet - giving lessons is also one but i'm not really that good with my instrument except with a band.
The thing is, I am kinda old school. Maybe its cause i watched too many feel good movies when i was a kid. But i want may name as well as my music to be recognized. Perhaps even do a "john mayer" just to get there. You know, getting my foot through the door first by playing pop or anything "maka-masa" (just short of doing novelty though!) then once in, letting loose with a barage of metal whom no one can ignore being that i'm already inside their little circle.
But that's just me.
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there are just too many good bands and so little market for them that major labels are not willing to take the risk.
meh. major label recognition is rather old school for me.
just saying.
true Sir Richie.
rags-to-riches stories from pinoy artists are extremely rare and far in between. you'd have to be a pop artist and make good across several media (movies, tv hosting, modelling), not just music, to actually make money out of it.
even Muziklaban champions don't get anywhere, save for Mayonaisse hitting it big in the mainstream for quite some time.
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the only way, and ONLY way to make a hell lot of money through major label channels in the Philippines is to play what the masa currently wants, have the artista charm, and good looks to go with it.
and even that cannot guarantee you fame and $$$. you still have to work your as5 up the ladder because artista-quality pop bands are dime-a-dozen.
and its far far far far easier for a major label to teach an artista to play guitar, give him a stellar backing band, and make a hell lot of money out if it.
its not handed in a silver platter anymore like they used to.
2 cents
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I totally respect your opinion. Thing is though, for me, i want to make a living out of playing. I'm sure there are other ways to make money out of music what with modern developments such as the internet - giving lessons is also one but i'm not really that good with my instrument except with a band.
You are in the wrong job man. Sorry for being harsh, but if you wanna make a living out of playing, your (financial) success rate is far from real. As in, FAR. For the record, even as an indie record producer/recordist, I hardly come by an artist whose main source of income is music. Try one in a hundred. That is why 90% of my clientele does recording after office hours, and the other 10% account for company-based projects like VOs, ads and phone prompting.
The thing is, I am kinda old school. Maybe its cause i watched too many feel good movies when i was a kid. But i want may name as well as my music to be recognized. Perhaps even do a "john mayer" just to get there. You know, getting my foot through the door first by playing pop or anything "maka-masa" (just short of doing novelty though!) then once in, letting loose with a barage of metal whom no one can ignore being that i'm already inside their little circle.
But that's just me.
Lemme hear your music maybe I can help you out. Maybe you can do an Arnel Pineda feat...
But don't be fooled, selling out is NOT always the solution. Selling out simply means just taking the wider but crowded road than taking the tightrope. Look at Jerome Abalos, hell yeah, he kind of made it well doing bakya hits, but by then he already was at the point of no return. Whenever he did a present-day Death By Stereo gig, the crowd would ask him to sing "Larawang Kupas".
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Try one in a hundred.
Lemme hear your music maybe I can help you out. Maybe you can do an Arnel Pineda feat...
But don't be fooled, selling out is NOT always the solution. Selling out simply means just taking the wider but crowded road than taking the tightrope. Look at Jerome Abalos, hell yeah, he kind of made it well doing bakya hits, but by then he already was at the point of no return. Whenever he did a present-day Death By Stereo gig, the crowd would ask him to sing "Larawang Kupas".
I want to be that ONE in a hundred or freakin die tryin.
Agreed though. Selling out is never the solution. But it won't be selling out if you actually loved what you're doing, is it?. I mean, some people say you sell out when you do pop, but what if you actually loved pop? In my case, i play in a metal and punk band and, don't get me wrong, i love it to the max! The thing is though, when i'm by my lonesome, I usually listen to rnb tunes on my radio and ipod and when i do write songs, for some reason, they always come out as pop and love songs. I'm not complainin, i'm just saying there is also a different side to myself that some people might consider selling out.
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I want to be that ONE in a hundred or freakin die tryin.
THAT ONE in a hundred, actually earns from music as a top sessionist. The rest earn from other sources. Maybe if you can transcribe music, you can make money out of music.
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Whenever he did a present-day Death By Stereo gig, the crowd would ask him to sing "Larawang Kupas".
I actually attended a DBS gig na may nag rerequest..... seriously. I don't even know how I would react if I were in his place. :?
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@Kornbip: im (we're) not trying to burst your bubble or musical ambition, just stating the harsh facts of the industry.
Good luck :-D
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@Kornbip: im (we're) not trying to burst your bubble or musical ambition, just stating the harsh facts of the industry.
Good luck :-D
I'm a bit curious about HIS music. Kasi, whenever someone talks up himself I would really love to help the guy out, if he had the talent. But if it were otherwise, I'd guide him to better musical decisions.
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I totally respect your opinion. Thing is though, for me, i want to make a living out of playing. I'm sure there are other ways to make money out of music what with modern developments such as the internet - giving lessons is also one but i'm not really that good with my instrument except with a band.
The thing is, I am kinda old school. Maybe its cause i watched too many feel good movies when i was a kid. But i want may name as well as my music to be recognized. Perhaps even do a "john mayer" just to get there. You know, getting my foot through the door first by playing pop or anything "maka-masa" (just short of doing novelty though!) then once in, letting loose with a barage of metal whom no one can ignore being that i'm already inside their little circle.
But that's just me.
I like your approach, and even more so that you write your opinions well. I'm going to answer you with a bit more detail, and with a lot of honesty.
You can start one of three ways:
1) Day job with band on the side: This is currently what many bands do, and in the process, simply hope to make their mark on the scene. This is also the way for bands whose genres or philosophies don't leave much room for compromise, or are simply not mainstream enough.
2) Music "Day job" with "real" band on the side: you can play with a showband, teach music, or otherwise be working in the music entertainment industry, while at the same time, you can be holding down a spot in a band that plays the music you want.
3) Hold down a spot in a lot of bands, a la Louie Talan or Raimund Marasigan. But then, these two may be false examples, as they also have jobs in the industry side.
You also need to have the right tools. That means management, choosing the "right" gigs, possibly even taking up lessons in songwriting and arrangement. You could also try the Internet - selling and exposing your music to people outside of the Philippines.
But I can honestly also say that there is a fair amount of luck to it if you want to get famous and make a living making music you want to make. There's the factor of timing - if your sound is what's being looked for (i.e. Nirvana), and there's also the element of commercialism (Eraserheads' brilliant pop hooks).
but the idea of getting your foot in the door...and then releasing a barrage of metal? that's a bit iffy, honestly. John Mayer, no matter how famous, will always have a shadow for taking what many perceived as an easy way out (though it really is not as easy as people say). A great example of that is Extreme. "More than words," surely, but after that...they petered out of the commercial arena, with some people calling them one-hit wonders, when in fact they have kickass songs - just not as commercial as MTW.
You're also right in wanting to be that one in a hundred - why not? that is your dream. But the total dedication to that dream may be very, very difficult. That's why a lot of bands prefer option #1 above.
Now, do take note, I'm not discouraging you. What I am trying to say is, you have to be prepared for a lot of hardship. There is no sure path to your goal, and even worse, there is no established path.
And now, to tie it in with "major labels" and your title question...
1) Major labels are a business. they will always go for a sure thing above anything else. In a major label's eyes, you are a sure thing if they see you've done well enough on your own, and if the scout, agents or executives think that a) your kind of band and music is what people want at the moment, or b) with a little nudging, you can be made more successful. Normally, they want both options. SO, going by that thought...you have to be sellable, for whatever reason.
2) Bands being discovered? yes, it still happens. at the rate of 1 band over so many thousands in the philippines. And you can't control the odds, though having a well-connected manager helps.
My real advice is: go for it, but always have a backup (a day job) until you actually can afford to make a living out of your music alone. Otherwise, it's time to take a lot of music and instrument lessons, and become a sessionist.
ah, and on a side note: someone once asked Jerome Abalos why he did larawang kupas...and the story goes he answered: "Kailangan ng gatas para sa anak ko." That there, if true, is a perfect example of the harsh reality of the music business.
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OT lang konti
I dug up some of your previous posts @Kornbip
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,85643.msg2019259.html#msg2019259 <=== dissing Callalily band name LOLZ.
The climb up is long and hard, thats why we should always treat fellow musicians with respect, its their choice of a band name, and let them be.
Who knows? Callalily might one day help you and your band. Bilog ang mundo, you can never tell who will be your next ally just around the corner. :wink:
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OT: member ka ng penguin na banda?
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Honest and relevant question answered in a straightforward honest way. Ganda ng thread na to. Getting your music "out there" and making a living out of playing your own brand of music is a noble conept, but if that will be your motivation to make music... malamang madisappoint ka, . But if you genuinely love what you are doing and enjoy making music, that's success in itself. And with a LOT of luck you might be the next big thing, bonus na lang yun.
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I like your approach, and even more so that you write your opinions well. I'm going to answer you with a bit more detail, and with a lot of honesty.
You can start one of three ways:
1) Day job with band on the side: This is currently what many bands do, and in the process, simply hope to make their mark on the scene. This is also the way for bands whose genres or philosophies don't leave much room for compromise, or are simply not mainstream enough.
2) Music "Day job" with "real" band on the side: you can play with a showband, teach music, or otherwise be working in the music entertainment industry, while at the same time, you can be holding down a spot in a band that plays the music you want.
3) Hold down a spot in a lot of bands, a la Louie Talan or Raimund Marasigan. But then, these two may be false examples, as they also have jobs in the industry side.
You also need to have the right tools. That means management, choosing the "right" gigs, possibly even taking up lessons in songwriting and arrangement. You could also try the Internet - selling and exposing your music to people outside of the Philippines.
But I can honestly also say that there is a fair amount of luck to it if you want to get famous and make a living making music you want to make. There's the factor of timing - if your sound is what's being looked for (i.e. Nirvana), and there's also the element of commercialism (Eraserheads' brilliant pop hooks).
but the idea of getting your foot in the door...and then releasing a barrage of metal? that's a bit iffy, honestly. John Mayer, no matter how famous, will always have a shadow for taking what many perceived as an easy way out (though it really is not as easy as people say). A great example of that is Extreme. "More than words," surely, but after that...they petered out of the commercial arena, with some people calling them one-hit wonders, when in fact they have kickass songs - just not as commercial as MTW.
You're also right in wanting to be that one in a hundred - why not? that is your dream. But the total dedication to that dream may be very, very difficult. That's why a lot of bands prefer option #1 above.
Now, do take note, I'm not discouraging you. What I am trying to say is, you have to be prepared for a lot of hardship. There is no sure path to your goal, and even worse, there is no established path.
And now, to tie it in with "major labels" and your title question...
1) Major labels are a business. they will always go for a sure thing above anything else. In a major label's eyes, you are a sure thing if they see you've done well enough on your own, and if the scout, agents or executives think that a) your kind of band and music is what people want at the moment, or b) with a little nudging, you can be made more successful. Normally, they want both options. SO, going by that thought...you have to be sellable, for whatever reason.
2) Bands being discovered? yes, it still happens. at the rate of 1 band over so many thousands in the philippines. And you can't control the odds, though having a well-connected manager helps.
My real advice is: go for it, but always have a backup (a day job) until you actually can afford to make a living out of your music alone. Otherwise, it's time to take a lot of music and instrument lessons, and become a sessionist.
ah, and on a side note: someone once asked Jerome Abalos why he did larawang kupas...and the story goes he answered: "Kailangan ng gatas para sa anak ko." That there, if true, is a perfect example of the harsh reality of the music business.
Pretty well said sir. I know madaming gustong sumikat, but i believe that relying on music alone as source of income (or fame), its still better to have a job besides being a musician. :-)
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The climb up is long and hard, thats why we should always treat fellow musicians with respect, its their choice of a band name, and let them be.
Who knows? Callalily might one day help you and your band. Bilog ang mundo, you can never tell who will be your next ally just around the corner. :wink:
+1 ako dito mga sir. Share lang ako ng short story...
Nung 4th year high school ako, nag-boom sa music scene itong band na 'to, and almost lahat ng batchmates ko na mahilig sa rock music nun e kinakanta yang hit na hit song nila. Kausuhan din kasi ng ganung tugtugan, masaabi kong right place at the right time sila.
Maraming dissers din sa kanila (until now pa naman eh). I also ussed to diss them (kesyo jologs na kasi ganung music, etc etc, you know that kind of feeling...) Tapos nag-transfer ako sa isang college, na alumni pala ng music org doon yung drummer nung banda (but never met him there ever), and still patuloy ang diss ko sa bandang yun. Nakasabay pa namin one time sa isang event yung band (opening kami nun), and nalaman kong close pala si drummer at yung guitarist namin.
Then came a time na personally na-meet ko si drummer, and the guitarist of the said band. Super bait pala nila, and malawak ang ideas sa music (even shared a few recording tips and suggested foreign artists for listening fresh music), and most of all, very down-to-earth sila. Na-elibs din ako sa gitarista, may pagka-Joe Sat pala influ niya. Tapos nung pauwi pa nga galing inuman, naki-hitch pa ako ng ride sa kanila. Tapos one time may sinesyunan akong gig, nanood din si drummer, nagpa-favor pa ako na kumuha ng pictures habang tumutugtog.
Kaya hanggang ngayon hands down ako sa bandang yun, especially sa drummer at guitarist. Nakakagawa pa sila ng pangalan ngayon overseas, and they're still writing kick-ass music. \m/ And take note, parang tugtugan din nila ngayon (yes bumigat tunog nila ngayon) 'yung genre ng music na ginagawa ng isa kong band.
It's really funny to think how immature I was back then :D
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About the topic... I believe may nadidiscover pa rin na bands, and you hear them on the radio (e.g. "wag mo sabihing radyo.."). Mga ganung klaseng tugtugan ang hanap ng major labels, syempre. Marami na rin akong kakilala na nagpaka-"mainstream" ang tugtugan para lang maka-"katok" sa pintuan ng major labels. Of course dapat maging mabenta ang music nyo, and that includes re-arranging your compositions (para maging catchy sa masa), etc...
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About the topic... I believe may nadidiscover pa rin na bands, and you hear them on the radio (e.g. "wag mo sabihing radyo.."). Mga ganung klaseng tugtugan ang hanap ng major labels, syempre. Marami na rin akong kakilala na nagpaka-"mainstream" ang tugtugan para lang maka-"katok" sa pintuan ng major labels. Of course dapat maging mabenta ang music nyo, and that includes re-arranging your compositions (para maging catchy sa masa), etc...
Just saw your sig, are you a part of Do'ahou? I saw you guys at shizen orchestra, you guys were awesome.
Back on topic, what about other bands that find success on smaller labels? (i.e. UpDharmaDown on Terno Records, etc.)
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Just saw your sig, are you a part of Do'ahou? I saw you guys at shizen orchestra, you guys were awesome.
Yup, vocalist po ako :D Thanks po sa compliment. Medyo matagal tagal kaming inactive, namimiss ko na ring tumugtog hehe.
Back on topic, what about other bands that find success on smaller labels? (i.e. UpDharmaDown on Terno Records, etc.)
'yung Rocksteddy rin...
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^ rocksteddy ayos!
nakakalibang ang music nila
ang harot pero pag solo time na seryoso ang tunog ayos
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OT lang konti
I dug up some of your previous posts @Kornbip
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,85643.msg2019259.html#msg2019259 <=== dissing Callalily band name LOLZ.
The climb up is long and hard, thats why we should always treat fellow musicians with respect, its their choice of a band name, and let them be.
Who knows? Callalily might one day help you and your band. Bilog ang mundo, you can never tell who will be your next ally just around the corner. :wink:
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OT: member ka ng penguin na banda?
True, you never do know and i am sorry if someone from the band sees my post and feels insulted. But i really can't deny that CALLALILY (just the name and not the members or the music) sounds girlie (for me anyway). :-D Anyway, i did say they are good musicians. Their drummer is quite good and being a drummer myself, i can respect the hell out of him.
Yup, im a member of Penguin627. Have you seen us play? :lol:
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I like your approach, and even more so that you write your opinions well. I'm going to answer you with a bit more detail, and with a lot of honesty.
You can start one of three ways:
1) Day job with band on the side: This is currently what many bands do, and in the process, simply hope to make their mark on the scene. This is also the way for bands whose genres or philosophies don't leave much room for compromise, or are simply not mainstream enough.
2) Music "Day job" with "real" band on the side: you can play with a showband, teach music, or otherwise be working in the music entertainment industry, while at the same time, you can be holding down a spot in a band that plays the music you want.
3) Hold down a spot in a lot of bands, a la Louie Talan or Raimund Marasigan. But then, these two may be false examples, as they also have jobs in the industry side.
You also need to have the right tools. That means management, choosing the "right" gigs, possibly even taking up lessons in songwriting and arrangement. You could also try the Internet - selling and exposing your music to people outside of the Philippines.
But I can honestly also say that there is a fair amount of luck to it if you want to get famous and make a living making music you want to make. There's the factor of timing - if your sound is what's being looked for (i.e. Nirvana), and there's also the element of commercialism (Eraserheads' brilliant pop hooks).
but the idea of getting your foot in the door...and then releasing a barrage of metal? that's a bit iffy, honestly. John Mayer, no matter how famous, will always have a shadow for taking what many perceived as an easy way out (though it really is not as easy as people say). A great example of that is Extreme. "More than words," surely, but after that...they petered out of the commercial arena, with some people calling them one-hit wonders, when in fact they have kickass songs - just not as commercial as MTW.
You're also right in wanting to be that one in a hundred - why not? that is your dream. But the total dedication to that dream may be very, very difficult. That's why a lot of bands prefer option #1 above.
Now, do take note, I'm not discouraging you. What I am trying to say is, you have to be prepared for a lot of hardship. There is no sure path to your goal, and even worse, there is no established path.
And now, to tie it in with "major labels" and your title question...
1) Major labels are a business. they will always go for a sure thing above anything else. In a major label's eyes, you are a sure thing if they see you've done well enough on your own, and if the scout, agents or executives think that a) your kind of band and music is what people want at the moment, or b) with a little nudging, you can be made more successful. Normally, they want both options. SO, going by that thought...you have to be sellable, for whatever reason.
2) Bands being discovered? yes, it still happens. at the rate of 1 band over so many thousands in the philippines. And you can't control the odds, though having a well-connected manager helps.
My real advice is: go for it, but always have a backup (a day job) until you actually can afford to make a living out of your music alone. Otherwise, it's time to take a lot of music and instrument lessons, and become a sessionist.
ah, and on a side note: someone once asked Jerome Abalos why he did larawang kupas...and the story goes he answered: "Kailangan ng gatas para sa anak ko." That there, if true, is a perfect example of the harsh reality of the music business.
I really love all the advice i'm learning in this thread from all the musicians and producers who are in the industry and who face these "harsh" realities on a daily basis. Thank you very much and i will indeed take them under consideration.
I will continue with my dream but at the same time hold a job just in case. Well, i plan to put up my own studio in Davao and probably start a movement there like the one that they have in Cebu. As of the moment, Davao is showband heaven but i hear the underground scene is really good and ready for the pickin. Who knows, i might even start a label. Anyway, i still have a few good years to try and make it BIG. If not, then i go home and try to make someone else BIG.
I will make it BIG. Comercially and artistically. And once i do, i'll open the floodgates of metal and punk hell and make sure that I pay it forward by trying to get every kid with a band and a dream the same chance i was given.
It is indeed a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. But once there, i will rock you like a proverbial hurricane!!! :evil:
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True, you never do know and i am sorry if someone from the band sees my post and feels insulted. But i really can't deny that CALLALILY (just the name and not the members or the music) sounds girlie (for me anyway). :-D Anyway, i did say they are good musicians. Their drummer is quite good and being a drummer myself, i can respect the hell out of him.
Yup, im a member of Penguin627. Have you seen us play? :lol:
no, pero you guys have been spamming away throughout the forums LOLZ :-D
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I really love all the advice i'm learning in this thread from all the musicians and producers who are in the industry and who face these "harsh" realities on a daily basis. Thank you very much and i will indeed take them under consideration.
I will continue with my dream but at the same time hold a job just in case. Well, i plan to put up my own studio in Davao and probably start a movement there like the one that they have in Cebu. As of the moment, Davao is showband heaven but i hear the underground scene is really good and ready for the pickin. Who knows, i might even start a label. Anyway, i still have a few good years to try and make it BIG. If not, then i go home and try to make someone else BIG.
I will make it BIG. Comercially and artistically. And once i do, i'll open the floodgates of metal and punk hell and make sure that I pay it forward by trying to get every kid with a band and a dream the same chance i was given.
It is indeed a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. But once there, i will rock you like a proverbial hurricane!!! :evil:
exactly how do you intend to do all of that? :-D
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no, pero you guys have been spamming away throughout the forums LOLZ :-D
Hahaha 2 things: to increase posts (i have just gone out of being a regular member just last week :-D) and to establish recall with the name of my band. See it already worked! You remembered that the band Penguin627 was being spammed all over the forums! hehehe :-D
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exactly how do you intend to do all of that? :-D
How? I don't know how exactly but in the words of the great Eric Clapton - "Lately I've been running on faith. What else can a poor boy do?"
But once it happens though, i'll be sure to let ya'll know how i did it. Stay tuned. :wink:
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Hahaha 2 things: to increase posts (i have just gone out of being a regular member just last week :-D) and to establish recall with the name of my band. See it already worked! You remembered that the band Penguin627 was being spammed all over the forums! hehehe :-D
spamming is not good, its actually negative marketing for a band. you will get banned for spamming in philmusic :wink:
How? I don't know how exactly but in the words of the great Eric Clapton - "Lately I've been running on faith. What else can a poor boy do?"
But once it happens though, i'll be sure to let ya'll know how i did it. Stay tuned. :wink:
faith is good, everyone has faith on something in one way or another.
but faith alone does not put food on the table, so to speak.
:wink:
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spamming is not good, its actually negative marketing for a band. you will get banned for spamming in philmusic :wink:
faith is good, everyone has faith on something in one way or another.
but faith alone does not put food on the table, so to speak.
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True indeed. Spamming IS a negatory. But i did put my posts in acceptable forums. Somebody posted, ALL ABOUT POP PUNK, and i posted my band's sched there seeing as we are pop punk. I put the gig sched as well in the gig announcements, seeing as what we had to post was out gig sched. When I posted in the rock forums, i added the gig sched a request for people to leave comments about what they think of the band after they've seen us at gigs or videos which is basically what people have been doing in the Rock Forum. You have people talking about Urbandub, Faspitch etc and they too post gigs of the band that they've heard of. Why can't we get people talking about Penguin627 in the rock forums as well.
In my opinion though, we weren't spamming. It's not as if we also posted in the Jazz forums or classifieds forums (i was guilty of this before and have learned my lesson) that is why i only post in the relevant forums.
But if what I have done, even though i feel that i did post in RELEVANT forums, is still considered by a Moderator as spamming in Philmusic, then fear not as i will once again reconsider my definition of spamming in Philmu and apply necessary corrections. :-)
True Indeed. Faith will not put food on the table and even God agrees. It's the same in religion i guess. God will make the food grow but you can't expect him to harvest, process, and spoonfeed you with it. So i guess i need to supplement what i said:
"Nasa Diyos and awa, nasa tao ang gawa" :-D
If you're going to ask ano yung gagawin ko...I don't know yet, but like i said, i'll keep you posted so stay tuned. :wink:
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True indeed. Spamming IS a negatory. But i did put my posts in acceptable forums. Somebody posted, ALL ABOUT POP PUNK, and i posted my band's sched there seeing as we are pop punk. I put the gig sched as well in the gig announcements, seeing as what we had to post was out gig sched. When I posted in the rock forums, i added the gig sched a request for people to leave comments about what they think of the band after they've seen us at gigs or videos which is basically what people have been doing in the Rock Forum. You have people talking about Urbandub, Faspitch etc and they too post gigs of the band that they've heard of. Why can't we get people talking about Penguin627 in the rock forums as well.
In my opinion though, we weren't spamming. It's not as if we also posted in the Jazz forums or classifieds forums (i was guilty of this before and have learned my lesson) that is why i only post in the relevant forums.
But if what I have done, even though i feel that i did post in RELEVANT forums, is still considered by a Moderator as spamming in Philmusic, then fear not as i will once again reconsider my definition of spamming in Philmu and apply necessary corrections. :-)
True Indeed. Faith will not put food on the table and even God agrees. It's the same in religion i guess. God will make the food grow but you can't expect him to harvest, process, and spoonfeed you with it. So i guess i need to supplement what i said:
"Nasa Diyos and awa, nasa tao ang gawa" :-D
If you're going to ask ano yung gagawin ko...I don't know yet, but like i said, i'll keep you posted so stay tuned. :wink:
ako yown!. hahahaha :-D ge un Lang. hehe
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:evil: :roll: :evil: :roll: :wink: :wink:
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True indeed. Spamming IS a negatory. But i did put my posts in acceptable forums. Somebody posted, ALL ABOUT POP PUNK, and i posted my band's sched there seeing as we are pop punk. I put the gig sched as well in the gig announcements, seeing as what we had to post was out gig sched. When I posted in the rock forums, i added the gig sched a request for people to leave comments about what they think of the band after they've seen us at gigs or videos which is basically what people have been doing in the Rock Forum. You have people talking about Urbandub, Faspitch etc and they too post gigs of the band that they've heard of. Why can't we get people talking about Penguin627 in the rock forums as well.
In my opinion though, we weren't spamming. It's not as if we also posted in the Jazz forums or classifieds forums (i was guilty of this before and have learned my lesson) that is why i only post in the relevant forums.
But if what I have done, even though i feel that i did post in RELEVANT forums, is still considered by a Moderator as spamming in Philmusic, then fear not as i will once again reconsider my definition of spamming in Philmu and apply necessary corrections. :-)
True Indeed. Faith will not put food on the table and even God agrees. It's the same in religion i guess. God will make the food grow but you can't expect him to harvest, process, and spoonfeed you with it. So i guess i need to supplement what i said:
"Nasa Diyos and awa, nasa tao ang gawa" :-D
If you're going to ask ano yung gagawin ko...I don't know yet, but like i said, i'll keep you posted so stay tuned. :wink:
Kabanda mo pala si Pao. :)
Since Pao is one of my dear colleagues and I like his attitude towards everyone, I'll lend you an ear.
I need to hear your demos and maybe I can help you out.
PS Spamming is NOT good. There was this band named Hammilan who got punned as SPAMMILAN and things did not turn out right, and to my surprise, their music was not all that impressive.
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Kabanda mo pala si Pao. :)
Since Pao is one of my dear colleagues and I like his attitude towards everyone, I'll lend you an ear.
I need to hear your demos and maybe I can help you out.
PS Spamming is NOT good. There was this band named Hammilan who got punned as SPAMMILAN and things did not turn out right, and to my surprise, their music was not all that impressive.
Excellent! Sure thing! we'll be recording our first song this October 10. We'll upload it to the net once it's done.
Ei, maybe this is one of the breaks i was telling everyone about in this thread and you're the one to "discover" us. hehehe you never know. :wink:
PS Like i said, spamming IS indeed a negatory. Good thing we're not doing it. :-)
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for a band to hunger for recognition and fame requires work.
being in a band is a great feeling. masaya. sobrang liberating. walang rules e. no problem....pero minsan we have to be critics of our own. mahirap ibahin yung flow ng local maintream. we have to play the game. iv got a lot of respect to underground bands whos been around for a long time, making a rep and just continue making music as indie artists.
most successful mainstream bands NOW have members coming from successful bands from the PAST. (BAMBOO,KAPATID,KJWAN,SINOSIKAT? & all RAIMUND MARASIGAN BANDS)
for the younger generation of bands, the easiest way to fame is becoming an local version of a certain SUCCESSFUL international artist....OR...play a genre that appeals to the masses.
and being recording artists doesnt mean the end of your day job. napaka fast paced ngayon.i know some very talented people coming from successful bands who still have regular jobs sa umaga. kung gusto mo puro gig lng ang ginagawa mo...you gotta be a well rounded sessionist ,play at weddings or be in a variety band that has regular gigs playing requests.
reality check lang. pero being idealistic about it, it doesnt hurt to dream that someday we could live like rockstars in our own tiny country.....JAPANESE bands does it. why cant we ? :-D
kaya ang masasabi ko lang........swerte pag sumikat ka habang studyante palang.
dahil sikat ka na sa klase mo, daming chicks (sa opisina limitado na e,tsaka karamihan gusto dretso kasalan na) wala ka pang proproblemahing sick leave. :mrgreen:
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Iba na kasi nangyayari nayon, palakasan na ng kapit :oops:
Bihira na lang yung talagang sumisikat na mahusay talagang magsulat.
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for a band to hunger for recognition and fame requires work.
being in a band is a great feeling. masaya. sobrang liberating. walang rules e. no problem....pero minsan we have to be critics of our own. mahirap ibahin yung flow ng local maintream. we have to play the game. iv got a lot of respect to underground bands whos been around for a long time, making a rep and just continue making music as indie artists.
most successful mainstream bands NOW have members coming from successful bands from the PAST. (BAMBOO,KAPATID,KJWAN,SINOSIKAT? & all RAIMUND MARASIGAN BANDS)
for the younger generation of bands, the easiest way to fame is becoming an local version of a certain SUCCESSFUL international artist....OR...play a genre that appeals to the masses.
and being recording artists doesnt mean the end of your day job. napaka fast paced ngayon.i know some very talented people coming from successful bands who still have regular jobs sa umaga. kung gusto mo puro gig lng ang ginagawa mo...you gotta be a well rounded sessionist ,play at weddings or be in a variety band that has regular gigs playing requests.
reality check lang. pero being idealistic about it, it doesnt hurt to dream that someday we could live like rockstars in our own tiny country.....JAPANESE bands does it. why cant we ? :-D
kaya ang masasabi ko lang........swerte pag sumikat ka habang studyante palang.
dahil sikat ka na sa klase mo, daming chicks (sa opisina limitado na e,tsaka karamihan gusto dretso kasalan na) wala ka pang proproblemahing sick leave. :mrgreen:
True indeed. :-D kaso hindi nakayanan eh. hehehe
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True indeed. :-D kaso hindi nakayanan eh. hehehe
kaya if ever one day sumikat ako....mag aaral ulit ako...HAHA! :lol:
ok lng mag absent ng mag absent. sayang chicks e.
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i think hindi na talaga uso yan, record labels make sure that they really earn money, so pipili talaga ng mga already famous na band
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True indeed. Spamming IS a negatory. But i did put my posts in acceptable forums. Somebody posted, ALL ABOUT POP PUNK, and i posted my band's sched there seeing as we are pop punk. I put the gig sched as well in the gig announcements, seeing as what we had to post was out gig sched. When I posted in the rock forums, i added the gig sched a request for people to leave comments about what they think of the band after they've seen us at gigs or videos which is basically what people have been doing in the Rock Forum. You have people talking about Urbandub, Faspitch etc and they too post gigs of the band that they've heard of. Why can't we get people talking about Penguin627 in the rock forums as well.
In my opinion though, we weren't spamming. It's not as if we also posted in the Jazz forums or classifieds forums (i was guilty of this before and have learned my lesson) that is why i only post in the relevant forums.
But if what I have done, even though i feel that i did post in RELEVANT forums, is still considered by a Moderator as spamming in Philmusic, then fear not as i will once again reconsider my definition of spamming in Philmu and apply necessary corrections. :-)
True Indeed. Faith will not put food on the table and even God agrees. It's the same in religion i guess. God will make the food grow but you can't expect him to harvest, process, and spoonfeed you with it. So i guess i need to supplement what i said:
"Nasa Diyos and awa, nasa tao ang gawa" :-D
If you're going to ask ano yung gagawin ko...I don't know yet, but like i said, i'll keep you posted so stay tuned. :wink:
OT: Penguin627's Arnold "the_Nong" Guyjoco is a good friend of mine. even though I've never been to their gigs (since i live in Laguna), I've already listened to their music (demo). i think that it's brilliant! i love the way they sound!
pero as for being at the main stream, mahirap makarating dun. take Sugarfree as for example. kung alam nyo lang yung history nila bago sila nakarating sa mainstream act, masasabi nyong "ganito pala talaga kahirap"... maraming ups and downs. lefts and rights pa minsan...
sa panahon ngayon, one in a million na lang na sumikat ka at kumita ka ng malaki.. IMO...
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sa panahon ngayon, one in a million na lang na sumikat ka at kumita ka ng malaki.. IMO...
true.
pero shempre lets not discourage each other and feel bad about the facts and continue the dream. reality check? yeah true. pero sometimes its the dream that drives people to continue what they're doing.
i love indie bands' music as much as i like bands who've made it to the top.
kaibigan ko din yan si nong. opismeyt ko yan e :-D
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it's not what you know, it's whom you know.
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true.
pero shempre lets not discourage each other and feel bad about the facts and continue the dream. reality check? yeah true. pero sometimes its the dream that drives people to continue what they're doing.
i love indie bands' music as much as i like bands who've made it to the top.
kaibigan ko din yan si nong. opismeyt ko yan e :-D
i agree sir jazz hole. i don't discourage those people who wants to live their dream and passion pero wag lang sana makalimutan ang pagiging praktikal. they could have a band while having stable jobs/sidelines.. i admire people who does that. :-D kumbaga, kanya kanya ng diskarte at desisyon para marating ang gustong marating...
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i agree sir jazz hole. i don't discourage those people who wants to live their dream and passion pero wag lang sana makalimutan ang pagiging praktikal. they could have a band while having stable jobs/sidelines.. i admire people who does that. :-D kumbaga, kanya kanya ng diskarte at desisyon para marating ang gustong marating...
Mahirap nga lang, laging napapabayaan ang music... work gets in the way :lol: Medyo OT: I always thought that you need to have some lousy day job outside of music to survive, pero ginulat ako ng isang nakilala ko na musikera - she earns money by doing tons of tutorials and other rackets that is related to music that she loves. Sarap, now that is where being educated in music comes to play.
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I was thinking about the thought of being discovered...and maybe the good thing to do is change the paradigm: rather than working hard to be discovered, bring your music out without caring if you will be "discovered" in the traditional sense.
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I was thinking about the thought of being discovered...and maybe the good thing to do is change the paradigm: rather than working hard to be discovered, bring your music out without caring if you will be "discovered" in the traditional sense.
Yup..work ka nga ng work, promote ng promote ng banda nyo..pero if your band sounds like a million other bands out there, I don't think it's gonna work..
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Yup..work ka nga ng work, promote ng promote ng banda nyo..pero if your band sounds like a million other bands out there, I don't think it's gonna work..
It's not just the sound. maraming sumikat that sounds like many out there. Of course, I still subscribe that aside from hard work and talent, there's always some sort of law of probability involved.
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PS Spamming is NOT good. There was this band named Hammilan who got punned as SPAMMILAN and things did not turn out right, and to my surprise, their music was not all that impressive.
yup, i remember that. mga newbie kuno at nagmamaang-maangan pag sinasabihan sila tungkol sa spam. there were at least 5 of them spamming the forums with hammilan this and hammilan that.
even back in the mid-'90s, when hammilan was still a member of the band BL@H, their music wasn't too impressive...songwriting ok enough at times, but musically nothing special. in fact, their song "ipis" which got airplay in NU 107 sounds like something off a vhong navarro album... :lol: siguro dahil yun yung pambato nila sa mainstream audience...
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mom's cake nadiscover ni ogie XD
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i've got tons to say about selling out pero on the topic....
just make music man! sabi nga ni Dio ng black heaven, "we are examples of what you can accomplish, if you just believe in what you do..."
those are big words from a little man my friend, personally, who wouldn't want to be discovered earn from what you do without compromising your personal view of music?
just get on stage, go and play your heart out... if you love what you're doin, the pay doesn't even matter..
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Kornbip, I have a hypothetical situation for you:
You have finished your independently-recorded EP and sold quite a few copies in the gig circuit. You are starting to get a cult following. The demo is already being played on radio. At that point, a huge record exec contacts you with this offer:
1. You have to rearrange your songs to become more pangmasa, that includes shortening the songs.
2. You have to lessen the distortion and you cannot bring the guitars up (hence losing a bit of the punk vibe)
3. If you are out of money to re-record, the record company will re-record your songs ON THEIR TERMS. Both artistically and legally.
4. You shall be offered 3 high budget music videos with regular airplay.
5. You shall guest on major TV shows.
6. You shall be however, be packaged to be mass-appealing.
7. You shall also be managed by the company, and you'll get good pay.
What will you do? Sign the contract?
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Kornbip, I have a hypothetical situation for you:
You have finished your independently-recorded EP and sold quite a few copies in the gig circuit. You are starting to get a cult following. The demo is already being played on radio. At that point, a huge record exec contacts you with this offer:
1. You have to rearrange your songs to become more pangmasa, that includes shortening the songs.
2. You have to lessen the distortion and you cannot bring the guitars up (hence losing a bit of the punk vibe)
3. If you are out of money to re-record, the record company will re-record your songs ON THEIR TERMS. Both artistically and legally.
4. You shall be offered 3 high budget music videos with regular airplay.
5. You shall guest on major TV shows.
6. You shall be however, be packaged to be mass-appealing.
7. You shall also be managed by the company, and you'll get good pay.
What will you do? Sign the contract?
sooo not signing! ahahah! well this didn't go to well for HALE(IMO) pogi band na talaga packaging nila ngayon...
i liked their early material pero i dont think na makakagawa pa sila ulit ng ganun
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Kornbip, I have a hypothetical situation for you:
You have finished your independently-recorded EP and sold quite a few copies in the gig circuit. You are starting to get a cult following. The demo is already being played on radio. At that point, a huge record exec contacts you with this offer:
1. You have to rearrange your songs to become more pangmasa, that includes shortening the songs.
2. You have to lessen the distortion and you cannot bring the guitars up (hence losing a bit of the punk vibe)
3. If you are out of money to re-record, the record company will re-record your songs ON THEIR TERMS. Both artistically and legally.
4. You shall be offered 3 high budget music videos with regular airplay.
5. You shall guest on major TV shows.
6. You shall be however, be packaged to be mass-appealing.
7. You shall also be managed by the company, and you'll get good pay.
What will you do? Sign the contract?
If you remember in one of my earlier replies to you I said "I want to be that ONE in a hundred or freakin die tryin.
Agreed though. Selling out is never the solution. But it won't be selling out if you actually loved what you're doing, is it?"
You know I'd never agree and be happy to terms 1,2,3 and 6. We are what we are now. No one can change that but ourselves. If no label comes for us, then that's fine. It's not even a matter of selling out. It's a matter of being happy.
Hope that answers your hypothetical situation.
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kornbip, i read your posts about the record studio and the label thing in Davao... organizing the scene, etc. etc. etc. and oh, im from davao btw.
its really 'alice in wonderland' ... because if that were feasible, i would have already done that instead of buying basses.
i know, i tried.
the money is better spent on a new bass than trying to accelerate the growth of a scene that needs to grow at its own pace. i actually have a new custom coming in this month or the next (OT).
and quite honestly ... making money in music? ... sure, there's probably a few there ... but truth is, the guys with the best gear (and cars probably - havent seen their cars) here in pinas: oni cruz, oas, leech, karel honasan, abyss and poundcake, to name a few ... did not get money from playing music. i know karel has regular gigs, but i dont think those gigs can buy him the Foderas he plays onstage.
when was the last time you saw really good GAS gear from pinas based major label guys? most of them work in call centers even.
yes, looking at gear may be shallow, but its a big indicator of how much disposable income there are.
be realistic, play music because its fun. or well, you can go the showband route... i know a few guys who boguht Gibson Les Pauls cause of that gig... and i think i know at least 2 who managed to build restos and clubs using their showband money. it takes a different discipline, and again, is 1/100 chance in making it... i suggest you take it since you seem to be a big fan of high risk-high payment type of stuff.
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Ang uso na ngayon e ang mga bandang nakakapag-ipon ng sapat na pera para makalabas ng matinong recorded material.
Pabilisan na lang ng pag-iipon. :)
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Discover?
Mejo, mostly nga ng mga band sa america ndi na nag-oaudition eh..
Pinopost na lang nila yung mga compo nila sa mga sites(mtvemerge, pure volume...)
Bahala na.. hahaha!
Pero dito sa 'Pinas? Nakow! Kelangan maPERA! hahaha!
O kung hindi man, may kapit! haha!
Dami kaya banda dito sa 'Pinas na magagaling?
D2 lang sa Philmusic dami nagpopost eh.. haaaiisssttt..
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Kornbip,
What I hypothetically proposed is the common run of the record industry TODAY. So as it implies, you cannot get signed unless you yourselves would start to not love louder music.
But there is hope. Record Companies are struggling as indie artists. It's like 10,000 Davids and the oligarchy of 4 or 5 Goliaths.
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Kornbip,
What I hypothetically proposed is the common run of the record industry TODAY. So as it implies, you cannot get signed unless you yourselves would start to not love louder music.
But there is hope. Record Companies are struggling as indie artists. It's like 10,000 Davids and the oligarchy of 4 or 5 Goliaths.
Be that as it may, I am still hoping for the best and being realistic by expecting the worst. I, along with, I'm sure, alot more kids, have the dream. We'll do what we can and see where that takes us.
I love loud music and I also love not loud music. I don't think I need to compromise my beliefs just to get signed even if the opposite is the truth of the current industry. Who knows, as I grow old, my preferences may change, but people such as myself, being naturally nostalgic that we are, will still listen and play the metal "classics" (by then) that we grew up with both for its sentimental and musical value.
It's good that you acknowledge the fact that there is hope. Right now, that is just about what's keeping most really talented people who live in really obscure places to continue making music while struggling with 3 kids and a mortgage. Don't take that away from them.
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kornbip, i read your posts about the record studio and the label thing in Davao... organizing the scene, etc. etc. etc. and oh, im from davao btw.
its really 'alice in wonderland' ... because if that were feasible, i would have already done that instead of buying basses.
i know, i tried.
the money is better spent on a new bass than trying to accelerate the growth of a scene that needs to grow at its own pace. i actually have a new custom coming in this month or the next (OT).
and quite honestly ... making money in music? ... sure, there's probably a few there ... but truth is, the guys with the best gear (and cars probably - havent seen their cars) here in pinas: oni cruz, oas, leech, karel honasan, abyss and poundcake, to name a few ... did not get money from playing music. i know karel has regular gigs, but i dont think those gigs can buy him the Foderas he plays onstage.
when was the last time you saw really good GAS gear from pinas based major label guys? most of them work in call centers even.
yes, looking at gear may be shallow, but its a big indicator of how much disposable income there are.
be realistic, play music because its fun. or well, you can go the showband route... i know a few guys who boguht Gibson Les Pauls cause of that gig... and i think i know at least 2 who managed to build restos and clubs using their showband money. it takes a different discipline, and again, is 1/100 chance in making it... i suggest you take it since you seem to be a big fan of high risk-high payment type of stuff.
Being realistic, I naturally realize that my chances of making it big are not that well...big. But please forgive me if I still want to take that chance. You said it yourself, I am a "big fan of high risk-high payment type of stuff." :-D
Anyway, It's a definite pleasure to meet someone from Davao here in Philmusic. With regard to your "alice in wonderland" comment on organizing the Davao scene, I would definitely understand where you're coming from. Showbands dominate our city. I'm not saying they are not any good because in fact, most, if not all, showbands i've seen have been unbelievably good. To add to that, I personally believe that Davao musicians are one of the best in the world. Take South Border for instance. But again, i must ask you to forgive me if I still want to take the chance of organizing the scene in davao.
I am realistic but I am also a dreamer. Nothing will happen if no one takes the first step well, you tried so i guess that means the 2nd step for me. You are welcome to join me. I have resources in Davao. Resources that I know i can efficiently use with the knowledge I have gathered here in manila. I want to give Davao musicians a chance to show what they have to the whole country and I don't think you can hate me for that. I am simply sharing what I love to the city that I love and I love it to the point that I don't want some kid going to school at Sta. Ana National High School, start a band, and play at birthday parties and thinking that that is how far he is going to go with his musical career because his bandmates and him can't afford a plane ticket to manila or cebu where the music scene is booming.
If you still feel that my money should be better spent elsewhere, then forgive me.
P.S.
I'm not really a GAS guy, hell, I've been a drummer for years now and I didn't even know the difference between a sheet bronze cymbal and a cast bronze cymbal till last week. All I cared was that I had cymbals. :-D So i can't really say which major label bands have good GAS gears.
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sa akin lang siguro bro, in my own personal opinion.
do the gig circuit like a madman and take all the gigs you guys can get, even if it's a freebie gig.
if you guys are really good, people will take notice.
like many of the bands I know, like example the TOD bands or Sonic Boom bands, they get respect and attention, but financially they don't really "make it", and still keep day jobs.
Cross your fingers and hope you make it as big as PNE or Cueshe, or Bamboo..... these bands draw 6 figure talent fees for out of town gigs.
But, note that PNE earned their stripes eking out the 90's underground bar scene before they made it big, and released a ton of hits before commanding huge TF's.
Cueshe are veteran artists from Cebu with years of playing experience under their belt, and Bamboo individually "earned their stripes" back when they were in their respective bands working their way up before making it big.
there are many many bands "discovered" every year, less than a dozen get to release albums through major label channels. and most of them never get past the first album
If you get to go to old record bars that still sell tapes, dig up the archives. You'll literally see HUNDREDS of tapes from major label bands like Ivory, Universal, etc etc that ended up gathering dust, even if they clinched a major label deal. you might even find never-heard-of bands.
Good luck! hope you guys make it.... pa inom kayo ha hehehe
:lol: :lol:
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sa akin lang siguro bro, in my own personal opinion.
do the gig circuit like a madman and take all the gigs you guys can get, even if it's a freebie gig.
if you guys are really good, people will take notice.
like many of the bands I know, like example the TOD bands or Sonic Boom bands, they get respect and attention, but financially they don't really "make it", and still keep day jobs.
Cross your fingers and hope you make it as big as PNE or Cueshe, or Bamboo..... these bands draw 6 figure talent fees for out of town gigs.
But, note that PNE earned their stripes eking out the 90's underground bar scene before they made it big, and released a ton of hits before commanding huge TF's.
Cueshe are veteran artists from Cebu with years of playing experience under their belt, and Bamboo individually "earned their stripes" back when they were in their respective bands working their way up before making it big.
there are many many bands "discovered" every year, less than a dozen get to release albums through major label channels. and most of them never get past the first album
If you get to go to old record bars that still sell tapes, dig up the archives. You'll literally see HUNDREDS of tapes from major label bands like Ivory, Universal, etc etc that ended up gathering dust, even if they clinched a major label deal. you might even find never-heard-of bands.
Good luck! hope you guys make it.... pa inom kayo ha hehehe
:lol: :lol:
Thanks man! Will do! :-D
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para sakin ts really all about loving what you do na walang reklamo kasi its like this and like that
i spent more than half my salary income in 2 days rushing our EP sleeves and cds. kulay white nanga ako ngayon e.
manood kayo FLICKER FUSION EP LAUNCH mamayang gabi! @ ten 02 ,ybardoleza coner timog QC.
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for a band to hunger for recognition and fame requires work.
for the younger generation of bands, the easiest way to fame is becoming an local version of a certain SUCCESSFUL international artist....OR...play a genre that appeals to the masses.
:mrgreen:
Yeah maybe you're rigth But as i observe our listener are getting wiser today.
example: the band CHICOSCI in new single "DIAMOND SHUTGUN"... IT'S BEEn a Big Issue for the commentators of NOT having Originality of compositions, styles and moves of the said band. Some said it's been copied from the different international band..from the melody and lyrics. It's also been questioned of being thier pilipino, Nawawala daw kc ang pagkapinoy ng kanta.
Whatever!!
still ORINALITY IS THE BEST!
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Yeah maybe you're rigth But as i observe our listener are getting wiser today.
example: the band CHICOSCI in new single "DIAMOND SHUTGUN"... IT'S BEEn a Big Issue for the commentators of NOT having Originality of compositions, styles and moves of the said band. Some said it's been copied from the different international band..from the melody and lyrics. It's also been questioned of being thier pilipino, Nawawala daw kc ang pagkapinoy ng kanta.
Whatever!!
still ORINALITY IS THE BEST!
true, the listener are getting wiser today. :-D
di ko alam about their issue of not having originality of compositions. :lol:
if some said its been copied from the different international band from the melody and lyrics maybe they will be questioned of being their filipino. :wink:
i agree. still originality is the best 8-)
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true, the listener are getting wiser today. :-D
di ko alam about their issue of not having originality of compositions. :lol:
if some said its been copied from the different international band from the melody and lyrics maybe they will be questioned of being their filipino. :wink:
i agree. still originality is the best 8-)
hehHhhe.. magbasa nalang poh kayo sa youtube comments...Dami kasing nagkakalat dun,, alam nyo na!!!
Oo nga, some of the Commentator said "americanized"
hahahahah!
pero walang impact sa akin yon, sa akin lang:
"originality is the best"
rock'n roll with your own!!
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madami naman talaga katunog ang bawat kanta eh..not only in mainstream rock...
naniniwala din kasi ako sa sabi ng karamihan na
"there are no more original ideas, you take old ideas piece by peice and make something new out of them..."
its on how you mix these existing ideas para maka-create ng "bagong" tunog...
well thats in my own opinion...
ang challenge kasi sa bagong breed ng tao ngayon eh yung gumawa sila ng sarili nilang marka
in their own time...yung tipong kahit maubos na ung batch ng tao ngayon...maalala pa din ung era natin...
OT na ata^^ sorry..i just had to say it^^
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I am realistic but I am also a dreamer. Nothing will happen if no one takes the first step well, you tried so i guess that means the 2nd step for me.
actually, yours is the 10th +++++ step...
i know this guy steve (caucasian), he HAD this studio in matina, you know, its the "most high end" studio in davao since it has marshall halfstacks and all ... and he told me a lot of things, pretty similar to yours actually... about "making it" and stuff.
i told him that davao is really different since its a "3rd world country within a 3rd world country" ... and he ddnt believe me, he eventually moved out of davao and closed down his studio. i also told him that his set-up wouldnt work since ppl are pretty abusive of gear and stuff... but thats another story.
then theres this muzika del sur thing... they tried doing that NU 107 meets Pulp thing in davao... and well, it just bombed. they even use to have tv shows... i wonder how they are now since that "mindanao music awards" thing they did only lasted one event and a lot of the entries were pretty mediocre.
before that, back in 1995, there was Etnikus, it was suppossed to be the "club dredd" of davao but i dont think that outfit lasted for 3 years...
oh well, i really just suggest that you play music for fun and not do it to "make it" ... i mean, here in davao, you have .005% chance to do something... at least in manila you'd probably have 1% chance to make it, which is a better figure. ok i admit it, i just made up those figures *lol* but i think they are pretty close to what really happens.
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madami naman talaga katunog ang bawat kanta eh..not only in mainstream rock...
naniniwala din kasi ako sa sabi ng karamihan na
"there are no more original ideas, you take old ideas piece by peice and make something new out of them..."
its on how you mix these existing ideas para maka-create ng "bagong" tunog...
well thats in my own opinion...
ang challenge kasi sa bagong breed ng tao ngayon eh yung gumawa sila ng sarili nilang marka
in their own time...yung tipong kahit maubos na ung batch ng tao ngayon...maalala pa din ung era natin...
OT na ata^^ sorry..i just had to say it^^
Why sorry? may nasaktan ba?? haahah.. yeah i agree!!!, and i have a broad understanding about that matter. "MUSIC REALLY EVOLVES"... mas bagong tunog mas interesadong pakinggan!!
:D
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Ganda talaga ng thread na to. Sarap mangarap, kaso masakit din sa ulo pag masyado mong dinibdib... when you check the probability - it's like a total waste of time. Kaya it's important na mahal mo talaga ang ginagawa mo, and that you don't take yourself too seriously. Enjoy the road and your efforts - that is reward in itself. Hope that someone who can make a difference notices your work and decides to invest on it...
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actually, yours is the 10th +++++ step...
i know this guy steve (caucasian), he HAD this studio in matina, you know, its the "most high end" studio in davao since it has marshall halfstacks and all ... and he told me a lot of things, pretty similar to yours actually... about "making it" and stuff.
i told him that davao is really different since its a "3rd world country within a 3rd world country" ... and he ddnt believe me, he eventually moved out of davao and closed down his studio. i also told him that his set-up wouldnt work since ppl are pretty abusive of gear and stuff... but thats another story.
then theres this muzika del sur thing... they tried doing that NU 107 meets Pulp thing in davao... and well, it just bombed. they even use to have tv shows... i wonder how they are now since that "mindanao music awards" thing they did only lasted one event and a lot of the entries were pretty mediocre.
before that, back in 1995, there was Etnikus, it was suppossed to be the "club dredd" of davao but i dont think that outfit lasted for 3 years...
oh well, i really just suggest that you play music for fun and not do it to "make it" ... i mean, here in davao, you have .005% chance to do something... at least in manila you'd probably have 1% chance to make it, which is a better figure. ok i admit it, i just made up those figures *lol* but i think they are pretty close to what really happens.
Your right. It's sad what happened to Muzika Del Sur, your american friend's studio and Etnikus. :cry: But hey, If Thomas Edison gave up after so many tries in making the light bulb, we'd be still be living in the dark. (well, maybe not, somebody else might invent it but you get my point. :-D )
P.S. Thomas Edison also didn't make any money in his light bulb invention, but that didn't stop him either. Don't worry you guys, @IncX, @rednas. I will take your advice and have fun while doing it. Actually succeeding will just come as a bonus! :-)
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New report. The whole record industry has lost 3 Billion dollars in terms of record sales this year. Everything is going torrent/download.
How can you get discovered if the discoverers are dying?
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I was thinking about the thought of being discovered...and maybe the good thing to do is change the paradigm: rather than working hard to be discovered, bring your music out without caring if you will be "discovered" in the traditional sense.
Subject: Uso pa ba ang mga bandang "nadidiscover"?
Sagot: rather than working hard to be discovered, bring your music out without caring if you will be "discovered"
Sabaw: "Little Wing" - Mang Jimi (may toppings "excuse me while i kiss the sky")
Side dish: true, the listener are getting wiser today.
Uso: aywannobadinobadibatchu (sound effects) aywannobadinobadibatchu
Banda: Majorette > lyres > horns > drums > mascot
:evil:
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masakit talaga pag dinibdib mo..
Lalo na kapag, gustong gusto mong marinig ng iba ang musika mo tapos, ang kaya mo lang naman eh mag-ipon ng 50pesos/day pambili ng strap lock o di kaya'y local Fender Nickel strings sa Quiapo at pede rin magtxt sa mga nagpopost sa forums haggling for items para makatipid..
hahaha! been there.. ^^
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masakit talaga pag dinibdib mo..
Lalo na kapag, gustong gusto mong marinig ng iba ang musika mo tapos, ang kaya mo lang naman eh mag-ipon ng 50pesos/day pambili ng strap lock
you dont need straplocks to have ur music heard. 8-)
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nakakalungkot naman tong thread na to :-( hehe
tama yung sabi nung iba: basta ibuhos mo lang ang puso mo sa music mo at ilabas lang ang mga kanta. basta tug-tog lang.
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New report. The whole record industry has lost 3 Billion dollars in terms of record sales this year. Everything is going torrent/download.
How can you get discovered if the discoverers are dying?
di ko nga magets eh... sana ginagawa ng companies ibenta din nila sa internet yung album. parang itunes. atleast meron din sigurong bibili dun...
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i dont know why the networks havent put up a show where different bands of different genre can play and showcase their talent. but this time, its not a competition, just a show where they would have these bands to their stuff. for exposure. sort of like JAPAN's MUSIC STATION.
im sure it will have a high rating considering mataas ang interest ng mga kabataan ngayon for local music scene.
and there you will surely find the talented ones with the charisma to connect with the listeners.
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astig tong thread na to and I admire the heart of TS. that is good, when you dream, dream big!. :-D im looking forward for those dreams to come true, one dreamer here too. :-D