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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: marcus_gloom on June 03, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
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I was planning to buy the Zoom H4 digital recorder, since we all know Zoom is way cheaper than other brands with the same features
But when I personally inspected it upon borrowing from a friend, the product still has cheap brittle plastic components.
I had the 505 way back, which eventually disintegrated into pieces after a few years but I attributed its demise to the fact I was a kid then and I dont know how to take care of gear.
Three years ago I bought the GFX-3 which has a metal casing BUT the same plastic components. I virtually hid my GFX-3 in my bedroom and treated it like a princess but suddenly the foot switch gave out from the tension of the spring which it it is supposed to retain. Recently, the plastic buttons gave in to the mere pressure of fingers because they have gone so brittle.
So guys, unless, Zoom ups their game regarding the durability of their products, think twice.
I am now looking around for a multi-effects unit (and desperately looking for funds).
Don't scrimp now and spend more later.
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i agree with this,all the zooms i had previously either broke the input or output jack really easily,or the patches would just create noise.
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siraan nga yung footswitch ng zoom.
pero pwede naman dalhin sa mga nagrerepair dito sa philmusic (sir yahoo!) :-)
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all my zoom multis (505, 606, 707ii, G9.2tt) have repair history. most of the issues are the switches too. hope zoom could make some improvements on this. :x
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all my zoom multis (505, 606, 707ii, G9.2tt) have repair history. most of the issues are the switches too. hope zoom could make some improvements on this. :x
sana yung g2.1nu walang ganitong issue :lol:
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Ung 606 ko bukod sa ngtiis ako sa switching gap, ngaun tuner/bypass nlng npapakinabangan ko and i use it as volume ped. Hayz!
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this would help me too..since di pa ako nakagamit ng multi-effects..balak ko din bumili ng multi-effects..i have lots of stomp boxes pero binenta ko due to inuman sessions..haha so ang zoom pala yun ang main problem nila?how about yung tunog sir ok lang ba?thanks.. nyaha:evil:
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sana yung g2.1nu walang ganitong issue :lol:
haha.. sana nga. i'm gassing for it pa naman..
Ung 606 ko bukod sa ngtiis ako sa switching gap, ngaun tuner/bypass nlng npapakinabangan ko and i use it as volume ped. Hayz!
at least may pakinabang pa ang unit! :-D
how about yung tunog sir ok lang ba?
for the G series, the modulations are pretty good and some of the amp sims are useful too.
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this would help me too..since di pa ako nakagamit ng multi-effects..balak ko din bumili ng multi-effects..i have lots of stomp boxes pero binenta ko due to inuman sessions..haha so ang zoom pala yun ang main problem nila?how about yung tunog sir ok lang ba?thanks.. nyaha:evil:
ok naman ang sound. di ko lang talaga gusto yung drive. kung kukuha ka ng ganito. kuha ka ng analog na drive :-)
modulations lang nagustuhan ko tsaka kasya kasi sa gigbag walang hassle (G1,G1x,G2,G2.1u)
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The foot switches can be repaired with a little bit of usual "Mcgyvery". I managed to have my GFX-3 repaired with super glue and wires plus the usual Tac switch and jack replacement here and there.
My 505, before the plastic body disintegrated, had so many Tac switch replacements I lost count
My real gripe for my GFX unit is on those little white plastic buttons and those teenie winnie internal plastic components that hold them together. When I pushed the button to change a setting, it suddenly gave in
And when i opened it up i found that the have totally gone brittle! As in, Piknik Potato sticks brittle! How the heck can one ordinary guy repair that?
They should use a higher grade/quality of plastic material.
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ok naman ang sound. di ko lang talaga gusto yung drive. kung kukuha ka ng ganito. kuha ka ng analog na drive :-)
modulations lang nagustuhan ko tsaka kasya kasi sa gigbag walang hassle (G1,G1x,G2,G2.1u)
+1....pinag mamalaki nila sa next series yung bagong drive model tatlong drive models lang ata nagustuhan ko dun :-D .....pero sa durabilty ayos naman natapakan ko na yun unit di panaman nag cracrack pero yung peda squeky na :-)
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+1....pinag mamalaki nila sa next series yung bagong drive model tatlong drive models lang ata nagustuhan ko dun :-D .....pero sa durabilty ayos naman natapakan ko na yun unit di panaman nag cracrack pero yung peda squeky na :-)
pwede ba lagyan ng wd-40 yung pedal? para mawala yung squeky. wala kasi akong expression pedal :-P
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pwede ba lagyan ng wd-40 yung pedal? para mawala yung squeky. wala kasi akong expression pedal :-P
di ko pa na try yun baka kainin nung wd40 yung plastic
OT:ang cute nung bagong avatar ah :-D
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di ko pa na try yun baka kainin nung wd40 yung plastic
OT:ang cute nung bagong avatar ah :-D
ay oonga
OT: wala eh talo si gibo :lol:
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almost 2yrs na yung zoom g7 ko, wala ding pahinga sa gig pero wala nman nagiging problema. alaga ko din sa wd40. dagdag ingat at alaga din siguro.:)
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I was planning to buy the Zoom H4 digital recorder, since we all know Zoom is way cheaper than other brands with the same features
But when I personally inspected it upon borrowing from a friend, the product still has cheap brittle plastic components.
I had the 505 way back, which eventually disintegrated into pieces after a few years but I attributed its demise to the fact I was a kid then and I dont know how to take care of gear.
Three years ago I bought the GFX-3 which has a metal casing BUT the same plastic components. I virtually hid my GFX-3 in my bedroom and treated it like a princess but suddenly the foot switch gave out from the tension of the spring which it it is supposed to retain. Recently, the plastic buttons gave in to the mere pressure of fingers because they have gone so brittle.
So guys, unless, Zoom ups their game regarding the durability of their products, think twice.
I am now looking around for a multi-effects unit (and desperately looking for funds).
Don't scrimp now and spend more later.
But Zooms can be modified with heavier-duty switches. Specially the G2 and G2.1. I'm just waiting for the stock tac-switches to give out, then I'll replace them with heavy duty momentary footswitches. The ones which look like pedal footswitches .
Both ricabb and I have successfully modded GFX series effects, replacing the plastic footswitches, with, well, plastic panels mounted on which are heavier-duty (and easily replaceable) pushbutton switches.
Zoom undoubtedly still has a very good tone-for-buck ratio. If footswitch durability becomes an issue, there is still something that can be done about it.
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I own a G1XN.. sana di agad masira.. lagi pa namang gingamit..
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I didn't mind the durability issues, my G2.1u gave me the sound I wanted when I bought it, and I was able to macgyver my way out of the time when one of those little plastic buttons gave out.
basta naman alagaan mo gamit mo, tatagal na yan! kung ayaw mo ng nasisira, pag-gastusan mo na pinakamahal! XD
Anyone have any makeshift-ish techniques on how to improve response from the footswitches? :-)
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sana yung g2.1nu walang ganitong issue :lol:
di ka magsisisi if u ever buy a g2.1nu dude...matibay and footswitch and the sound is really great...u can use their free software to edit patches on ur pc as well...
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I am now looking around for a multi-effects unit (and desperately looking for funds).
try korg multi effects, mine looks like it had gone through war(even though its plastic) it is still alive today, i have had it for almost 5years and still loving it :-D
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My ZOOM G2 still works (with periodic cleaning) after years of relentless gigging, getting soaked in beer and rhum, being stepped on by people of all sorts, stuck in bags, thrown around on plane trips, being soaked in rain, snuck into my hardcase, borrowed by different people, tours, and one crazy G2 pedal owner!
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i've bought a zoom 606 way back 2005 and is still on my setup till now. countless gigs and almost everyday use sa bahay. only problem na na encounter ko is ung screws nang expression pedal lumuwag. other than that ok pa. i guess depende tlga sa bigat nang pag tapak mo and kung pano ka mag handle nang gamit. :-D
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I had zoom 505, 707, GFX4, G2.1u, 508, ngayon G7.1ut....wala naman akong naging problema....yung 508 lang kala ko nagkaproblema adaptor lang pala....hehehe....Pati yung G7 ko nagloko yung isang switch tapos bigalang umayos.....more that three years na G7 ko wala parin akong problema......nasa gumagamit yata yun :D
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I had zoom 505, 707, GFX4, G2.1u, 508, ngayon G7.1ut....wala naman akong naging problema....yung 508 lang kala ko nagkaproblema adaptor lang pala....hehehe....Pati yung G7 ko nagloko yung isang switch tapos bigalang umayos.....more that three years na G7 ko wala parin akong problema......nasa gumagamit yata yun :D
+1 :lol:
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Ung 606 ko bukod sa ngtiis ako sa switching gap, ngaun tuner/bypass nlng npapakinabangan ko and i use it as volume ped. Hayz!
Eto ba yung nakuha mo kay Vic??
He he he :lol:
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madali lang irepair ang zoom, ang hassle lang is yun pot nila.
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now i'm planning to buy zoom multi-effects..since i can't buy boss or digitech multi-effects due to tight budget..hehe i hope yung mabili ko ah may usb cable pa para naman maiedit ko ang patches nya the way i want it to be..nyaha :evil:
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now i'm planning to buy zoom multi-effects..since i can't buy boss or digitech multi-effects due to tight budget..hehe i hope yung mabili ko ah may usb cable pa para naman maiedit ko ang patches nya the way i want it to be..nyaha :evil:
Zoom G2.1u
Zoom G7.1ut
Zoom G9.1utt
lahat niyan ay pwede iconnect sa PC via USB pero i don't think pwede ka mag-edit ng patches or settings via the PC.. you only use that USB thingy for recording purposes.. tweaking and editing patches ay gagawin mo parin sa mismong unit..
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Zoom G2.1u
Zoom G7.1ut
Zoom G9.1utt
lahat niyan ay pwede iconnect sa PC via USB pero i don't think pwede ka mag-edit ng patches or settings via the PC.. you only use that USB thingy for recording purposes.. tweaking and editing patches ay gagawin mo parin sa mismong unit..
the newer models have a tool for editing patches on the PC (like the G2.1nu), pero, kung kabisado mo naman na knobs at switches sa unit mismo at maganda naman pandinig mo, kaya naman eh!
wala ka naman PC sa stage kung kelangan mag-edit ng patch on the spot before a gig! hahaha, sanayin narin sarili sa unit mismo
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the newer models have a tool for editing patches on the PC (like the G2.1nu), pero, kung kabisado mo naman na knobs at switches sa unit mismo at maganda naman pandinig mo, kaya naman eh!
wala ka naman PC sa stage kung kelangan mag-edit ng patch on the spot before a gig! hahaha, sanayin narin sarili sa unit mismo
ah really? i didn't know that... mukhang napag-iwanan na ako ah.. hehe.. i posted din the older models.. :lol:
thanks for the info bro.. really appreciate that.. :-)
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yeah the plastic components sucks!got a GFX and sold it after a while..
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their pedals build quality suck.
the q3 and h4n models are decent. had my 13 since december last year and it went through storms, provinces and it's still OK. Helps if you have a semi hard case for it. :-D
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I have a problem with my zoom g1, The fx selector responds poorly. How can I fix this?
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never had an issue with my g2.1u
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^ ^ Wait :-D
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never had an issue with my g2.1u
same here :-D
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^ ^ Wait :-D
:-D
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yung 1010 ko din dati..,footswitch din problem
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yung zoom g1x ko dati. una nawala yung knob. tapos nasira yung left-side na knob. hindi ko pa alam tong philmusic nun. dinala ko sa raon. ibang knob ang pinalit walang lagitik pagnililipat. hehe. tapos yung wah pedal nun nagloloko nawawala sa pagkakasave pag ginagamit ko minsan. :-D
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ah yeah..now i'm absorbing some ideas.. :evil: thanks man
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I have a problem with my zoom g1, The fx selector responds poorly. How can I fix this?
Wet the switch with Lacquer Thinner. wait, if you mean the rotaries, its usually the ribbon cable that's at fault. Yup that happenned to my unit already and I fixed it by patching the ribbon cable with ordinary wire.
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how about the g9.2tt? does it also have an issue?
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^yup, may issues din.. when i use to have my g9, nagkaproblema ang LCD nito after 3 days lang when i bought it. the LCD won't display any character (the one that will display the patch name), pero ok naman ang 2-digit, 7-segment (the one that indicates user/preset #). :-( yun, nasira tuloy honeymoon period namin.. so bought it back to the dealer and was returned to me 3 weeks later.. :x
and after that hindi na nagloko ang unit, it has served me for almost 3 years before i sold it.
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how about the g9.2tt? does it also have an issue?
anun balita? did you swap your boss gt6 to zoom g9?
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hindi pa nga eh mamaya pa. nanginginig na ko kakaisip! :-(
guys gotta help me decide please! :cry:
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^^^ Dude, its a good thing we have Philmusic, if you want to buy it, Go
You have these nice folks as your support system when you have to replace switches and other components of Zoom products with better ones.
I started this thread for guys like me who prefers the stock look of their stuff. Actually, its hard for me to replace the unit coz aside from the fact that I have low funds right now, my GFX-3 and I shared some nice memories (senti!).
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Wet the switch with Lacquer Thinner. wait, if you mean the rotaries, its usually the ribbon cable that's at fault. Yup that happenned to my unit already and I fixed it by patching the ribbon cable with ordinary wire.
Yup I think that's the problem! There's no clicking sound whenever I rotate it. :-( How do I repair this one?
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^^^ ganyan din yung problema ko non sa g1x ko.
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Wet the switch with Lacquer Thinner. wait, if you mean the rotaries, its usually the ribbon cable that's at fault. Yup that happenned to my unit already and I fixed it by patching the ribbon cable with ordinary wire.
i have the same problem right now with my zoom g1. ayaw gumana ng rotary. need help master bamf. ano gagawin ko dito?
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i have the same problem right now with my zoom g1. ayaw gumana ng rotary. need help master bamf. ano gagawin ko dito?
same problem din po. sir bamf! what should we do :-D hehe
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Okay try this.
Get a small syringe with needle. Fill it with a solvent, lighter fluid, alcohol or lacquer thinner work.
Using the needle try to get the fluid inside the rotary switch. One obvious path is where the shaft meets the body of the rotary switch (these things are sealed from the back).
Try to get even a small amount of the fluid inside the rotary then turn it left and right several times. After that check the ribbon cables (in the case of g2) if its broken.For G1 the rotaries are soldered directly to the main board.
Wait for the fluid to dry if it got on the board. Then reassemble and power up.
This method usually works 80% of the time on switches and pots. I even stayed the replacement of my strat selector switch just by cleaning the switch with this method without having to take off the pickguard.
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Okay try this.
Get a small syringe with needle. Fill it with a solvent, lighter fluid, alcohol or lacquer thinner work.
Using the needle try to get the fluid inside the rotary switch. One obvious path is where the shaft meets the body of the rotary switch (these things are sealed from the back).
Try to get even a small amount of the fluid inside the rotary then turn it left and right several times. After that check the ribbon cables (in the case of g2) if its broken.For G1 the rotaries are soldered directly to the main board.
Wait for the fluid to dry if it got on the board. Then reassemble and power up.
This method usually works 80% of the time on switches and pots. I even stayed the replacement of my strat selector switch just by cleaning the switch with this method without having to take off the pickguard.
sir BAMF, the patch modifier rotary of my G1x is not snapping like before, its very hard to switch from one menu to the other becoz of this irritating problem, what should i do to get it to SNAP just like before. right now i am definitely having a hard time creating/modifying a new patch. is there a replacement for the rotaries for it to be as good as new?
please enlighten me sir BAMF. thanks :-D
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sir BAMF, the patch modifier rotary of my G1x is not snapping like before, its very hard to switch from one menu to the other becoz of this irritating problem, what should i do to get it to SNAP just like before. right now i am definitely having a hard time creating/modifying a new patch. is there a replacement for the rotaries for it to be as good as new?
please enlighten me sir BAMF. thanks :-D
Having tried to find sealed type pots before, I opine that it will be quite difficult to find a direct replacement for what your G1x has from local stores. Bar writing and ordering directly from zoom.co.jp or taking it to JB Music (who will ship the thing to Japan anyway). Pamasahe pa lang ng unit mo talo ka na.
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Having tried to find sealed type pots before, I opine that it will be quite difficult to find a direct replacement for what your G1x has from local stores. Bar writing and ordering directly from zoom.co.jp or taking it to JB Music (who will ship the thing to Japan anyway). Pamasahe pa lang ng unit mo talo ka na.
if thats the case sir. how can i fix this? do you have some solutions for these problems?
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if thats the case sir. how can i fix this? do you have some solutions for these problems?
The solvent-in-syringe is the only palliative that i can recommend.
If on closer inspection, the switches can be opened, you can risk that and clean it internally. There is a chance you might not be able to put it back together again.
Another solution is to find a junked G1x and transplant the switch(es) of that to your unit. Don't look at me tho I don't have any of those around, although some guys have left their junked G2 and G2.1u's with me. Pwede karnehan na siguro yun.
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The solvent-in-syringe is the only palliative that i can recommend.
If on closer inspection, the switches can be opened, you can risk that and clean it internally. There is a chance you might not be able to put it back together again.
Another solution is to find a junked G1x and transplant the switch(es) of that to your unit. Don't look at me tho I don't have any of those around, although some guys have left their junked G2 and G2.1u's with me. Pwede karnehan na siguro yun.
hehe pwede ba ung gnun sir bamf? replacing my G1x's rotaries with your JUNKED :D G2's? hehe
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i have a Zoom H4n recorder. aside from the side switch (menu switch) , flawless lahat.
even the buttons and the plastic XLR inputs. it has a plastic hardshell case too
it will last a lifetime thats for sure. i agree that they have issues with their multieffects unit. but these are recorders you dont stomp on it , or lugged it around carelessly like what we do with effects pedals.
and you can get a H4n remote if you dont want to use the unit buttons.
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hehe pwede ba ung gnun sir bamf? replacing my G1x's rotaries with your JUNKED :D G2's? hehe
No. They're different. If you want scout around for a junk G1 and arbor or buy it cheap. Then we can get the parts. What Im saying is maybe I can help you had your unit been a G2 or G2.1u
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No. They're different. If you want scout around for a junk G1 and arbor or buy it cheap. Then we can get the parts. What Im saying is maybe I can help you had your unit been a G2 or G2.1u
ahh so what you are tryin to say is that its so very hard to find spare parts for this unit? hmm..
cge po sir BAMF, ill try to find the parts, thanks.
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No. They're different. If you want scout around for a junk G1 and arbor or buy it cheap. Then we can get the parts. What Im saying is maybe I can help you had your unit been a G2 or G2.1u
any tips on how to quickly MacGyver my way to getting better response from the footswitches? not that they're broken or anything, medyo may-topak lang yung left switch while the right one works fine as usual.
may certain "angle" na siya ng pag-press eh. well if I use my hand anyway, oddly if I press using my foot, it works most of the time but there'll be some double-hits minsan, one press but it moves 2 patches.
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any tips on how to quickly MacGyver my way to getting better response from the footswitches? not that they're broken or anything, medyo may-topak lang yung left switch while the right one works fine as usual.
may certain "angle" na siya ng pag-press eh. well if I use my hand anyway, oddly if I press using my foot, it works most of the time but there'll be some double-hits minsan, one press but it moves 2 patches.
The tacswitches are easy to replace and are available. Bar that however, the solvent-in-syringe works for the footswitches. I should know. It corrected my G2.
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Me kasi, Im not using the the up and down in my 5050 II, ginagamit ko lang yung pag nagtotono ako, my DIY FP01 kasi ako,dun na ako naglilipat ng patches,kahit apakan ko pa ng todo ay di masisira zoom ko