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Title: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: heavensgraveyard on June 14, 2010, 04:12:56 PM
kasi nakita ko sa youtube na nadedemagnitized pala ang magnet ng pick up habang tumatagal kaya pala humihina ang mga pups through the years na paggamit.. yun ang sabi ng seymour duncan company..
any idea sir san pwede ipamagnetized ulit o charged yung magnet ng pups? thanks in advance mga sir :lol:
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 19, 2010, 02:28:49 AM
Try mo idikit sa mas malaking magnet. Sa magnet ng 12" na speaker. Ginagawa ko yan sa mga screwdrivers ko para maging magnetic yun dulo nila. I think it will work on pick ups too.
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: gwenmoyk on June 19, 2010, 05:13:49 AM
Try mo idikit sa mas malaking magnet. Sa magnet ng 12" na speaker. Ginagawa ko yan sa mga screwdrivers ko para maging magnetic yun dulo nila. I think it will work on pick ups too.
Pag nde umubra dito, baka c MAGNETO kelangan hanapin. :lol:
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: ranzu10 on June 19, 2010, 05:12:57 PM
Try mo idikit sa mas malaking magnet. Sa magnet ng 12" na speaker. Ginagawa ko yan sa mga screwdrivers ko para maging magnetic yun dulo nila. I think it will work on pick ups too.
Pwede! :lol:
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: BAMF on June 20, 2010, 02:29:09 PM
If you do it wrong, you can actually take away magnetism instead. That's not so bad specially if you know what you're doing. Weaker magnets have a certain sound that appeals to some players.
Best, go to Elegee and have him do it for you.
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: tweenty-seven on June 20, 2010, 04:39:21 PM
may bagong video ang forerunnermusicgroup interview with sir jon of elegee.. nasabi ni sir jon dun..na ang guitar pag hinarap mo sa ampli..yun yung isang reason para ma diskarga(parang ganun) ang magnet ng pickups mo.. si sir jon kaya mag rewind at mag re charge ng magnet..
*forerunnermusicgroup pala
pls watch 1 to 5.. sasabihin nya yun eh
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: bhaahchico on June 20, 2010, 10:29:05 PM
may bagong video ang forerunnermusicgroup interview with sir jon of elegee.. nasabi ni sir jon dun..na ang guitar pag hinarap mo sa ampli..yun yung isang reason para ma diskarga(parang ganun) ang magnet ng pickups mo.. si sir jon kaya mag rewind at mag re charge ng magnet..
*forerunnermusicgroup pala
pls watch 1 to 5.. sasabihin nya yun eh
ow yeah tumatanggap ng ganitong service si sir elegee sabe din nung couz ko,, :-D
better to try,, may pag asa pa yung ibang pups na medyo palpak na lalu na kung branded pa :mrgreen:
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 20, 2010, 11:59:46 PM
Ayus ah. Masaya pala kakwentahan yan si Sir Jon. Hehe
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: r_chino18 on June 21, 2010, 12:02:41 AM
Tanong..
how long does it take for a magnet to naturally lose its magnetism?
mura lang kaya magpa recharge ng magnet?
how accurate na pag nirecharge ang magnet ay babalik sa sakto or at least very close sa dati niyang magnetism?
hindi kaya mas mura na palitan nalang ng bago yung buong bar ng magnet sa pickup?
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: rockchops_14 on June 21, 2010, 11:54:41 AM
yup ganito nangyari sa pups ng rg550 ko v1 s1 v2 pups,i love them so much so better siguro kay jon of elegee mo na din yan dalin bro, naging maugong na sya kasi madalas ko isandal sa amp, na demagnetize yung pups ng rg550 ko.
@ colorless_crayola - bro may idea kaba panu ang tamang procedure ng pagdikit ng pups sa speakers to be magnetized? may polarity kasi sila db?
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: dark_7 on June 21, 2010, 02:12:47 PM
wow..san po yung elegee shop?di ko po alam.. :lol: dami ko naririnig bout dun..pero di ko pa napuntahan.. :lol:
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 21, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
@ colorless_crayola - bro may idea kaba panu ang tamang procedure ng pagdikit ng pups sa speakers to be magnetized? may polarity kasi sila db?
Hindi ko pa nasusubukan Sir ah, pero kung gagawin ko man to sa pick ups ng guitar ko ganito gagawin ko: 1. Tatangalin ko yun magnet sa pickup mismo. Bali separate ko yun windings at magnet. Glue lang naman nagdidkit dun, yun iba wax lang ang kumakapit. Basta mahiwalay lang. Yun magnet lang naman yun ididikit sa mas malaking magnet. 2. Ilapit mo lang sa speakers. It's either it would repel or attract each other. Hayaan mo lang muna for 6-7 hours. 3. Try mo ulet ibalik sa pickup at subukan mo.
*Paalala lang po. 'Wag po natin ilagay sa mga mainit na bagay yun magnet. Lalo na po yun soldering iron. Nababawasan po yun magnetic force ng magnet kapag naiinitan.
Post nyo updates Sir kung may kaibahan na nagyari sa pick ups mo.
Salamat.
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: pualux on June 21, 2010, 09:57:26 PM
Hindi ko pa nasusubukan Sir ah, pero kung gagawin ko man to sa pick ups ng guitar ko ganito gagawin ko: 1. Tatangalin ko yun magnet sa pickup mismo. Bali separate ko yun windings at magnet.Glue lang naman nagdidkit dun, yun iba wax lang ang kumakapit. Basta mahiwalay lang. Yun magnet lang naman yun ididikit sa mas malaking magnet. 2. Ilapit mo lang sa speakers. It's either it would repel or attract each other. Hayaan mo lang muna for 6-7 hours. 3. Try mo ulet ibalik sa pickup at subukan mo.
*Paalala lang po. 'Wag po natin ilagay sa mga mainit na bagay yun magnet. Lalo na po yun soldering iron. Nababawasan po yun magnetic force ng magnet kapag naiinitan.
Post nyo updates Sir kung may kaibahan na nagyari sa pick ups mo.
Salamat.
I think this is not for the faint hearted
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 21, 2010, 10:41:00 PM
Haha. Nagawa ko na yan Sir. Hehe Medyo madali lang naman. (sa stock pick ups) Sa ibang klase, ndi ko pa nasubukan. Hehehe
hhmm masubukan nga :-D
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: pie-key on June 23, 2010, 09:33:39 PM
hmmm... nakakita ako sa clarkfield pampangga na isang factory.... gumagawa sila ng brushless fan para sa mga CPUs and other purposes.... ngayon ano kinalaman????? they are using MAGNETS..... FERRITE actually...
at first it an UNmagnetized FERRITE tapos may machine sila (hindi magnet o speaker magnet) na uses DC voltage to magnetize the Ferrite.... after a second tapos na agad salpak na agad sa FAN BLADE center....
i think technically.... magnets can be demagnetized and somehow magnetized again and again..... blah blah....
its not a charger actually if you pull out a very elementary experiment.... use a DC source.... high power maybe.... put a coil on it (series) make sure that the coil circular diameter is large enough for your old magnet to fit..... then insert the magnet inside the coil..... turn the source on..... but!!! wait!!! doing this process is like shorting the + and negative side.... so wag tagalan sandali lang kasi baka pumutok yung source mo....
the problems: what voltage rating? what current rating? how many coil turns? what coil to use?
its not factual bro.... i saw it worked.... i just dont know if it will work on a pickup.... but since they are in both the same material (ferrite) it might work.....
pero kung ako tatanungin... wag ka ng sumugal magpalit ka na..... need na rin magretire ng PUPsmo.... or better pa rewind mo na lang and change new magnets.....
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: dark_7 on June 23, 2010, 09:56:58 PM
mejo OT..kung yung pups po kaya eh rewound mo ng mas magandang wire.. let's say yung mga mumurahing pups..tas rewound mo ng high class na wire mas gaganda kaya ang tunog ng pups..?
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: r_chino18 on June 23, 2010, 10:16:21 PM
mejo OT..kung yung pups po kaya eh rewound mo ng mas magandang wire.. let's say yung mga mumurahing pups..tas rewound mo ng high class na wire mas gaganda kaya ang tunog ng pups..?
it's not just the quality of the copper wire used.. but also the number of turns around the bobbins and the diameter of the wire.. :-) more turns = higher output yata..
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 23, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
it's not just the quality of the copper wire used.. but also the number of turns around the bobbins and the diameter of the wire.. :-) more turns = higher output yata..
Hope this helps. Imbento ko lang, based on my experience. Correct me if I'm wrong.
+gauge= more bass -gauge= more treble
+windings= higher output -windings= lower output
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: dark_7 on June 23, 2010, 10:49:20 PM
it's not just the quality of the copper wire used.. but also the number of turns around the bobbins and the diameter of the wire.. :-) more turns = higher output yata..
magkakaroon ka ba ng magandang tunog sir..?kasi nakita ko sa seymour duncan..iba iba pa kulay ng wire nila.. so if incase gamitin mo yung wire nila sa mga mumurahing pups..kunwari parehong alnico magnet..alnico magnet pups ng seymourduncan..tas alnico magnet pups din na mumurahin lang..pag ginamit mo kaya yung wire ng seymour tas gayahin mo yung number ng wounds..you can get the same sound kaya..? :?
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: r_chino18 on June 23, 2010, 11:19:24 PM
magkakaroon ka ba ng magandang tunog sir..?kasi nakita ko sa seymour duncan..iba iba pa kulay ng wire nila.. so if incase gamitin mo yung wire nila sa mga mumurahing pups..kunwari parehong alnico magnet..alnico magnet pups ng seymourduncan..tas alnico magnet pups din na mumurahin lang..pag ginamit mo kaya yung wire ng seymour tas gayahin mo yung number ng wounds..you can get the same sound kaya..? :?
i cannot say for sure.. kasi malamang may secret formula yang mga pickup winders para unique at mahirap magaya ang pickups nila.. minsan hindi lang yan based sa DC resistance, etc..
tanong.. did you know na sa presyo ng pagpaparewind ng cheap pickup ay pwede ka na bumili nalang ng brand new na branded pickup? mas magiging maganda pa yun, imo.. or at least, maraming reference sa tunog.. and the resale is good kung sakaling magsawa ka.. :-)
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: justine3563 on June 23, 2010, 11:33:55 PM
kelangan lang natin idikit sa magnet ito for hours siguro..kasi ang metal na hindi magnet,hindi organized yung "+" at "-" nyan,kalat-kalat..kung didikitan mo siya ng magnet magiging magnet na din yan kasi pupunta sa isang side lang ang "+" at "-" sa kabila..
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 23, 2010, 11:38:14 PM
i cannot say for sure.. kasi malamang may secret formula yang mga pickup winders para unique at mahirap magaya ang pickups nila.. minsan hindi lang yan based sa DC resistance, etc..
tanong.. did you know na sa presyo ng pagpaparewind ng cheap pickup ay pwede ka na bumili nalang ng brand new na branded pickup? mas magiging maganda pa yun, imo.. or at least, maraming reference sa tunog.. and the resale is good kung sakaling magsawa ka.. :-)
Ang sekreto jan? Actually ndi naman sekreto kasi alam na ng marami. Hahaha Meron sila sariling gauge ng wire na ginagamit Sir. Not sold commercially. Also the density and weight of their wires are more heavy compared to the ones sold commercially with the same specs. Customized wire kumbaga. Some are even stretching thier wires proportionally to get a longer length with the same resistance. Kaya mahirap gayahin.
Bili nalang. Haha
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: justine3563 on June 23, 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Ang sekreto jan? Actually ndi naman sekreto kasi alam na ng marami. Hahaha Meron sila sariling gauge ng wire na ginagamit Sir. Not sold commercially. Also the density and weight of their wires are more heavy compared to the ones sold commercially with the same specs. Customized wire kumbaga. Some are even stretching thier wires proportionally to get a longer length with the same resistance. Kaya mahirap gayahin.
Bili nalang. Haha
kaya gusto ko mag ECE after nitong kinukuha ko ngayon eh.. :-D
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: colorless krayola on June 24, 2010, 12:02:27 AM
Ang sekreto jan? Actually ndi naman sekreto kasi alam na ng marami. Hahaha Meron sila sariling gauge ng wire na ginagamit Sir. Not sold commercially. Also the density and weight of their wires are more heavy compared to the ones sold commercially with the same specs. Customized wire kumbaga. Some are even stretching thier wires proportionally to get a longer length with the same resistance. Kaya mahirap gayahin.
Bili nalang. Haha
yeah.. hehe.. bili nalang.. i know someone who winds pickups din.. i asked for a quotation kung magpaparewind ako ng stock pickups ko to a higher output.. i gave him yung gusto kong DC resistance.. he quoted me 2.5k.. for that price, i can get a branded pickup used.. or i can save up some more to get a branded one brand new that "i think" would be better than a custom wound pickup na mgaiging hit and miss ang tunog para sa akin..
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: justine3563 on June 24, 2010, 12:09:10 AM
Para lang mag-rewind ng pick ups? Haha. Grabeh ka naman Sir. Haha
oo sir!hahaha
actually,para marami akong magawa..mahilig kasi ako magkalikot ng gamit..para matuto ako lalo sa electronics at makapg DIY na din :-D
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: pie-key on June 24, 2010, 07:57:46 AM
technically speaking mga kuya....
SIgnature pick-ups like duncans, ibanez, di'marzio and etc.... are all pick-ups..... what they differ is the character of the tone.... now what it relates to winding and materials used? they differ because they are using thin claded copper wires for rewinding.... an example is yung headphone wires... kung makikita niyo yung wires ng stereo may kulay.... that does not make any flavor or anything that makes a good sounding pick up at all..... its a covering(clad) that protects against aging and shorting on the other copper wires....
to summarize it..... its the design of the manufacturer that matters.... kaya nga may duncan design pickups... di'marzio too..... they specify their own designs..... the number of turns, gauge of the wire.... the magnet......
so kung papagawa ka..... make sure na talagang alam niya yung gagawin at hindi lang basta trabaho.... it a very delicate process... because dun magdedepende ang tunog ng gitara mo.... at yung quality ng sound.... you should provide your own tone specification para alam ng magrerewind yun....
about magnet..... kahit hindi mo madefine ang polarity ng magnet... it doesnt mean na kalat kalat po..... hindi mo lang malalaman kung saan pero kung kukunin yung centroid ng magnet (either deformed or basag) ayun yung gitna tapos andun na yung north and south..... sa magkabilang side.... hindi nga lang ganung kaaus kasi nga deformed....
Title: Re: san po pwede magpamagnetized o charged ulit ng maget sa pups?
Post by: dark_7 on June 24, 2010, 03:11:38 PM
Ang sekreto jan? Actually ndi naman sekreto kasi alam na ng marami. Hahaha Meron sila sariling gauge ng wire na ginagamit Sir. Not sold commercially. Also the density and weight of their wires are more heavy compared to the ones sold commercially with the same specs. Customized wire kumbaga. Some are even stretching thier wires proportionally to get a longer length with the same resistance. Kaya mahirap gayahin.
Bili nalang. Haha
ahh..ganon pala..hehe hmm..nakakatemp kasi minsan magkalikalikot ng mga gamit..my syndrome ako sa mga gamit ko..hindi ako mapakali hangga't di ko maayos oh di ko mamodify o maupgrade..hahaha