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Title: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 08, 2010, 07:34:29 PM
To all GC experts, anong masasabi nyo sa stainless steel frets?

Pros & Cons please?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: somil on August 08, 2010, 07:46:52 PM
hard steel and expensive i think :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 08, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
Si eddie van halen yata stainless steel ang frets ng gitara nya. May nabasa din ako, mahirap daw ikabit sa fretboard. Sa tone naman iba-iba din ang opinyon...

Meron ba dito sa GC stainless steel ang frets ng gitara?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: r_chino18 on August 08, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
Stainless steel?

cons.. pain the the ass na ikabit para sa luthier.. usually halos double ang cost nun kesa regular na frets.. susuko jan ang gamit ng luthier eh..

pros.. sa gagamit ng gitara, ok yan kasi matagal talaga mapudpod.. as in.. tonal change? ymmv, pero i think ok lang na stainless steel.. when i will have my guitar for a refret, balak ko din na stainless steel ang ipakabit.. mahal na kung mahal but i think it's really worth it.. lalo na at stainless steel din ang strings ko (it would just eat regular nickel frets)..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 08, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
Meron na bang PM member na nagpakabit ng stainless steel fret dito sir at sino yung luthier?

Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: r_chino18 on August 08, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Meron na bang PM member na nagpakabit ng stainless steel fret dito sir at sino yung luthier?

most luthiers kaya magkabit ng stainless steel frets.. but the charge is almost twice the price of a regular refret.. Arie Hipolito of guitar hospital can surely do it..

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O.T.>> Anong brand ng stainless steel strings nyo sir? Di ba mahirap i-bend yun sa tigas?

Alice.. hehe.. compared sa ibang 10s, medyo mas stiff siya.. pero nasanay na ako.. yun gamit ko kasi sobrang sweaty kamay ko.. don't want to spend on pricey strings na saglit lang ang itatagal sa akin.. sa bahay lang naman ako nag gigitara eh.. practicality wins for me..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 08, 2010, 10:22:19 PM
most luthiers kaya magkabit ng stainless steel frets.. but the charge is almost twice the price of a regular refret.. Arie Hipolito of guitar hospital can surely do it..

Alice.. hehe.. compared sa ibang 10s, medyo mas stiff siya.. pero nasanay na ako.. yun gamit ko kasi sobrang sweaty kamay ko.. don't want to spend on pricey strings na saglit lang ang itatagal sa akin.. sa bahay lang naman ako nag gigitara eh.. practicality wins for me..

hehehe :-D...delete ko yung second question ko parang may pagka-stupid e...nasanay kasi ako sa nickel plated which is medyo warm yata yung tone kumpara sa stainless.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 08, 2010, 10:49:23 PM
Available kaya sa pinas yung stainless steel frets?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 09, 2010, 12:01:46 AM
To all GC experts, anong masasabi nyo sa stainless steel frets?

Pros & Cons please?

if you have 1 guitar and want the frets to last(depending on how hard of a player you are), SS frets are the way to go..

cons, i dont think there is any aside that if you dont do your own frets some luthiers charge your for the amount of work to get the frets just right..also they come in different grades so how hard the SS frets are depends on the composition
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: curiousdcat on August 09, 2010, 01:21:12 AM
This may or may not help...someone here in PM used to sell and intall them.  If I remember correctly it was less than 4K for the SS frets and the installation but you could buy the SS frets only for less than 2K.  I'm sorry but the search function isn't working for me (surprise, surprise) but I believe that guy is located in the Commonwealth area.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: Jaco D on August 09, 2010, 07:07:59 AM
Meron ba dito sa GC stainless steel ang frets ng gitara?

I have a Warmoth Gecko Bass with stainless frets.  Warmoth, and I guess any luthier for that matter, would charge a premium to install stainless frets since dressing stainless frets are more cumbersome relative to the regular nickel ones.  They "feel harder", and stainless strings on stainless frets sound a bit brighter.  Fret wear is less vis-a-vis nickel.  I guess the same could be said on an electric guitar.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: arkeetar on August 09, 2010, 09:17:54 AM
papotzki (elegee custom) ni papotz naka SS frets  :lol:

weird nung naka unplug pero nung naka plug na sa amp, na-appreciate ko na tunog, agree with chino, pag nagparefret ako SS na rin,
agree din ako kay bryan  :lol:

Stainless steel?

cons.. pain the the ass na ikabit para sa luthier.. usually halos double ang cost nun kesa regular na frets.. susuko jan ang gamit ng luthier eh..

pros.. sa gagamit ng gitara, ok yan kasi matagal talaga mapudpod.. as in.. tonal change? ymmv, pero i think ok lang na stainless steel.. when i will have my guitar for a refret, balak ko din na stainless steel ang ipakabit.. mahal na kung mahal but i think it's really worth it.. lalo na at stainless steel din ang strings ko (it would just eat regular nickel frets)..


if you have 1 guitar and want the frets to last(depending on how hard of a player you are), SS frets are the way to go..

cons, i dont think there is any aside that if you dont do your own frets some luthiers charge your for the amount of work to get the frets just right..also they come in different grades so how hard the SS frets are depends on the composition

Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 09, 2010, 09:39:45 AM
To all GC experts, anong masasabi nyo sa stainless steel frets?

Pros & Cons please?

I think the major advantage is fret life... Because stainless steel is harder the frets won't wear out as fast as nickel. But the thing that makes it advantageous over nickel is also its major draw back. Rule of thumb, the harder the material the brighter and harder the sound... I still prefer traditional nickel fret wires because I like the way they sound...  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: pitongjerome on August 09, 2010, 11:16:49 AM
ask ko lang, if the Stainless Steel frets last twice as long? or thrice? or more? (than the normal ones)

any experience?

and how about the cost (frets + installation), is it twice, thrice or more?

kasi if tone is out of the picture, which means im okay with the brighter tone, i may consider the SS frets, so long as i have can save money, based on the cost-benefit analysis..

(SS vs normal frets life, and SS vs normal frets installation cost)
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on August 09, 2010, 12:09:03 PM
hard steel and expensive i think :-D

actually its really not that expensive considering a pound of Stewmacs nickel tallest and widest $42.43

while a pound of SS wires will cost around $48.45 thats the price i got per pound when i ordered 5 pounds of SS wires

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af288/ahvia_musicom/P3171908.jpg)

ok on to the pros and cons

For Nickel-silver

Pros:

- they are easier to work with

- not too heavy on your tools

- its readily available

- a guitarbuilder/repair person wont charge you ridiculous prices to have one installed

Cons:

- there isnt too many really the only real difference between NS and SS are the following:

   - SS will give you more mileage while NS will hang in there but every couple of years  or depending on how often you use your instrument, you will have to refret your guitar or have it leveled

   - tone wise there is a slight  difference based on my experience SS tend to add just a tad treble on your tone nothing really significant  

Stainless Steel:

Pros:

- they really last. a guitar i sold before Have SS frets i had it for 8yrs and it still had plenty of life left id say around 95% pa so in the long run medyo matipid sya.

- personal preference lang to but i kinda like the feel of SS frets better

Cons:

-  if your planning to use those "fret files" being sold everywhere please dont! you'll just waste a good tool those aren't designed for SS rather it is for NS frets, it really doesnt matter if you use a regular fret file or a diamond coated one both are no match for SS frets, try using regular steel files instead but this takes time and practice if your planning to DIY

- tone wise it add a tad of treble but nothing really significant ( some people may like it some people might not ) so im not really sure if its a cons hehehehehe

- cost or labor guitar builder/ repair persons charge double or more for SS fret jobs just to give you and idea on the pricing a very good member of this forum if im not mistaken charges 300 per feet for the SS frets and you'll probably need around 4-5ft for a 21-22 fret guitar so thats around 1500 for the frets plus if i remember correctly but im really not 100% sure for the actual refret service itself for SS he charges 2500 that includes reconditioning your fretboard like re-radius  etc.... so all in all thats 4000 already while a regular refret with NS only cost around 1.8-2.5k depending on which guy you bring it too on the other hand if you come to think of it SS frets will give you more mileage so i dont know if its really a bad thing i mean the cost

Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 09, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
actually its really not that expensive considering a pound of Stewmacs nickel tallest and widest $42.43

while a pound of SS wires will cost around $48.45 thats the price i got per pound when i ordered 5 pounds of SS wires

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af288/ahvia_musicom/P3171908.jpg)

ok on to the pros and cons

For Nickel-silver


- they are easier to work with

- not too heavy on your tools

- its readily available

- a guitarbuilder/repair person wont charge you ridiculous prices to have one installed

Cons:

- there isnt too many really the only real difference between NS and SS are the following:

   - SS will give you more mileage while NS will hang in there but every couple of years  or depending on how often you use your instrument, you will have to refret your guitar or have it leveled

   - tone wise there is a slight  difference based on my experience SS tend to add just a tad treble on your tone nothing really significant  

Stainless Steel:

Pros:

- they really last. a guitar i sold before Have SS frets i had it for 8yrs and it still had plenty of life left id say around 95% pa so in the long run medyo matipid sya.

- personal preference lang to but i kinda like the feel of SS frets better

Cons:

-  if your planning to use those "fret files" being sold everywhere please dont! you'll just waste a good tool those aren't designed for SS rather it is for NS frets, it really doesnt matter if you use a regular fret file or a diamond coated one both are no match for SS frets, try using regular steel files instead but this takes time and practice if your planning to DIY

- tone wise it add a tad of treble but nothing really significant ( some people may like it some people might not ) so im not really sure if its a cons hehehehehe

- cost or labor guitar builder/ repair persons charge double or more for SS fret jobs just to give you and idea on the pricing a very good member of this forum if im not mistaken charges 300 per feet for the SS frets and you'll probably need around 4-5ft for a 21-22 fret guitar so thats around 1500 for the frets plus if i remember correctly but im really not 100% sure for the actual refret service itself for SS he charges 2500 that includes reconditioning your fretboard like re-radius  etc.... so all in all thats 4000 already while a regular refret with NS only cost around 1.8-2.5k depending on which guy you bring it too on the other hand if you come to think of it SS frets will give you more mileage so i dont know if its really a bad thing i mean the cost



Well based on my experience the tone difference is actually very significant FYI...   :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 09, 2010, 07:23:46 PM
tonewise, depending how high or low the action of the guitar is, makes it significant or not..

the treble is there, and its up to one's ears and amps to say its preferred or not, there are times i notice it can be too bright when played with a bright sounding amp..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 09, 2010, 07:32:16 PM
Mukhang mas lamang ang advantages ng SS frets...kasi kung ang fret life ng SS ay 10 years or more and costs 4000 while NS is 2 years and costs 2500, ang laki palang matitipid sa SS frets :lol:.

Tapos yung tone IMO kaya naman yata i-compensate sa effects at amp yun di ba...Uy parang gusto ko na ring magpa-SS frets.hehehe.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 10, 2010, 12:06:08 AM
Mukhang mas lamang ang advantages ng SS frets...kasi kung ang fret life ng SS ay 10 years or more and costs 4000 while NS is 2 years and costs 2500, ang laki palang matitipid sa SS frets :lol:.

i'd like to add that  both SS and Nickel frets vary in composition..now dont always assume that because its Nickel Frets it is soft and is the same of those sold in Gaisano or is the same fret used by SX/RJ/Squier bullet guitars..thats why frets sold stewmac, lmii and molotov bros are really worth the price because these guys have good quality frets in thier inventory..

now how long do SS frets last, depending on your fretting hand or your attack on strings it might even outlive the guitar player..

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Tapos yung tone IMO kaya naman yata i-compensate sa effects at amp yun di ba...Uy parang gusto ko na ring magpa-SS frets.hehehe.

action and tone controls can also help..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: joesat on August 10, 2010, 02:01:08 AM
Mukhang mas lamang ang advantages ng SS frets...kasi kung ang fret life ng SS ay 10 years or more and costs 4000 while NS is 2 years and costs 2500, ang laki palang matitipid sa SS frets :lol:.

Tapos yung tone IMO kaya naman yata i-compensate sa effects at amp yun di ba...Uy parang gusto ko na ring magpa-SS frets.hehehe.

almost all of my guitars are of ss frets and i still have other guitar projects of ss frets also,,,well maybe im just after for durability...about the tone, research says its sharp but as you've said, you may compensate it...
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 10, 2010, 08:02:49 AM
I still prefer the old dunlop 6100's...  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 10, 2010, 08:33:10 AM
I still prefer the old dunlop 6100's...  :-D :-D :-D

mine is 6105
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on August 10, 2010, 11:37:20 AM
i'd like to add that  both SS and Nickel frets vary in composition..now dont always assume that because its Nickel Frets it is soft and is the same of those sold in Gaisano or is the same fret used by SX/RJ/Squier bullet guitars..thats why frets sold stewmac, lmii and molotov bros are really worth the price because these guys have good quality frets in thier inventory..

now how long do SS frets last, depending on your fretting hand or your attack on strings it might even outlive the guitar player..

action and tone controls can also help..

exactly bry i forgot to mention that SS from different sources may have different composition so it really depends where you get them and how you use them if your fretting hand is a tad heavy then will probably wont last a lifetime but still definitely longer than NS again there are NS frets that are hard and not easy to wear out ,

bluenote in my experience it was not as significant as yours, experiences varies siguro hehehehehe, what wood idid you use on your guitar? pickups? also those might contribute but what bryan said made sense you can always compensate it with your EQ on your amp or on your pedal, i like my bass either 75%-100% then mid and treble at around 0-25% maybe thats the reason its not as significant to me hehehehehehe
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 10, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
exactly bry i forgot to mention that SS from different sources may have different composition so it really depends where you get them and how you use them if your fretting hand is a tad heavy then will probably wont last a lifetime but still definitely longer than NS again there are NS frets that are hard and not easy to wear out ,

bluenote in my experience it was not as significant as yours, experiences varies siguro hehehehehe, what wood idid you use on your guitar? pickups? also those might contribute but what bryan said made sense you can always compensate it with your EQ on your amp or on your pedal, i like my bass either 75%-100% then mid and treble at around 0-25% maybe thats the reason its not as significant to me hehehehehehe

I don't think you could compensate with just EQ I think it would affect even your technique...

My strat has a light weight Alder Body, maple neck with rosewood slab fret board and custom made pups...

I remember that it affected my playing, my pick attack started to change and I had to have my guitar re - fretted back to the old nickel frets...  :-D :-D :-D Just my opinion though...

Also take into consideration that most of the greats still use nickel frets...  :-D

But I guess it would still boil down to taste...
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: AhVia_Musicom on August 10, 2010, 10:51:50 PM
I don't think you could compensate with just EQ I think it would affect even your technique...

My strat has a light weight Alder Body, maple neck with rosewood slab fret board and custom made pups...

I remember that it affected my playing, my pick attack started to change and I had to have my guitar re - fretted back to the old nickel frets...  :-D :-D :-D Just my opinion though...

Also take into consideration that most of the greats still use nickel frets...  :-D

But I guess it would still boil down to taste...

considering your body is alder that might add to the high's although yeah probably it all boils down to what works for you, i do like the feel of SS better than NS although you like NS better than SS i guess we have different experiences im not saying SS is The Best its just that i kinda like it more than NS but take note i only have have 1 Guitar left with SS the other 3 have NS hehehe when i get to refret the remaining 3 i might change them with SS na
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: gijira on August 10, 2010, 11:21:46 PM
i had one accoustic guitar custom made which i specified to have it installed with ss fretwires. Tone wise, i can not discern any difference bet. n.s. and that. tinanong ko luthier regarding his take on that. he told me to pluck an open string and fretted string (first fret lang para hindi malayo) and asked if i hear a difference. maybe with my untrained ear, wala..nada! he said the composition and the density between bone nut and nickel fret is far greater than the difference bet. nickel and stainless steel. he said to me to do the math! gets ko nga sya!

heto pros and cons:

pros:
- super dulas sa bending
- no sign of fretwear, kahit panay bending.
- always shiny, parang bago

cons:
- mahirap na kumbinsihin yung luthier ko na maginstall ulit ng stainless steel na fret wires. palit sya lahat ng nagamit nyang files
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 10, 2010, 11:31:35 PM
I don't think you could compensate with just EQ I think it would affect even your technique...
not eq alone, also the overall setup of the guitar


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But I guess it would still boil down to taste...

pretty much..i have asked alot when its about NS or SS frets..builders offer them..Roy of TomAnderson guitars offers them no extra charge(complete base price of 2499), Bunker offers them $50 extra on trekker no charge on custom series, suhr offers them at $100 extra(custom)..

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Also take into consideration that most of the greats still use nickel frets...

of course, they did that with NS and plus some of the things they didnt have back then..(multifx's,PLEK, true temperament frets etc)

but lets put that phrase in a different light because some will be quick to jump here and add the (if it good enough for '(insert artist name') its good enough for me, or fingers-tone discussion),

but  to focus that -'yes' fret material can significantly alter a guitars sound..i believe that..just imagine having frets made of wood(some say ah it will sound warmer, what if the material was stone? that would be twice as hard to work with as NS frets lol..but it wouldnt be brighter in my mind)

so pretty much its all about options for your preferences..

me i like to have both..its just a good to have..guitars with SS(6105's) and NS(6105)..both great materials for frets
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 10, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
he said the composition and the density between bone nut and nickel fret is far greater than the difference bet. nickel and stainless steel. he said to me to do the math! gets ko nga sya!

i know of nut density and fret material density but how can both contribute as greater based on what you said? care to share?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: gijira on August 10, 2010, 11:53:38 PM
i know of nut density and fret material density but how can both contribute as greater based on what you said? care to share?

teka po ha! medyo hindi ko gano maintindihan tanong pero ill try to answer based on the explanation of the luthier saken.

the comparison between fretted and unfretted string tone doesnt really make any discenable difference to our mortal ears (saming dalawang tenga lang po). baka kase iba talagang rinig ang difference. he has just proven to me that it doesnt make any perceivable tonal difference (at least siguro in musicality/iba na siguro if we would use instruments to measure frequency response) kung paguusapan fret wire materials. makes sense to me, kahit hindi rocket science explanation nya saken. :roll:
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 11, 2010, 12:09:17 AM
teka po ha! medyo hindi ko gano maintindihan tanong pero ill try to answer based on the explanation of the luthier saken.

the comparison between fretted and unfretted string tone doesnt really make any discenable difference to our mortal ears (saming dalawang tenga lang po). baka kase iba talagang rinig ang difference.

ill just quote what im really after because the above is a different topic to itself but since you added that and this was an acoustic correct? no internal pickups? what is the clearance betweent the fretted fret and the adjacent fret to that? but you know that once you start lowering your action the guitar can sound more trebley?

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he has just proven to me that it doesnt make any perceivable tonal difference (at least siguro in musicality/iba na siguro if we would use instruments to measure frequency response) kung paguusapan fret wire materials. makes sense to me, kahit hindi rocket science explanation nya saken. :roll:

and with the same low action what if your frets were composite plastic? will the same unfretted / fretted sound difference still apply?


IMA just interested with answers
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: gijira on August 11, 2010, 12:24:25 AM
correct boss! accoustic with no pick ups. regarding action! pag binaba nag brighten tunog, inunplug namin electric and check if theres buzzing somewhere. hirap kase madetect buzzing pag plugged electric.

regarding sa composite fretwires sir. parang ayoko magtry nyan if ever meron man gumawa! safe na ko sa either nisckel or stainless kung makumbinsi ko pa yung gumagawa, pero mukang bomalabs ser! para nga akong sinumbatan nung pinakita yung wear ng mga kikil nya. :wink:
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 11, 2010, 12:45:13 AM
correct boss! accoustic with no pick ups. regarding action! pag binaba nag brighten tunog, inunplug namin electric and check if theres buzzing somewhere. hirap kase madetect buzzing pag plugged electric.

if done right you can lower the action of even an acoustic, the thing is..what can happen is that you can get undesirable overtones..and SS frets can give that..

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regarding sa composite fretwires sir. parang ayoko magtry nyan if ever meron man gumawa! safe na ko sa either nisckel or stainless kung makumbinsi ko pa yung gumagawa, pero mukang bomalabs ser! para nga akong sinumbatan nung pinakita yung wear ng mga kikil nya. :wink:

OT:

those highlighted text i dont know what they mean

anyway frets themselves can be of any material, lots of old world string instruments dont have the frets we have in guitars(i almost bought myself a pipa)

here's the frets of a saz..so what if our beloved guitars had frets like these? would the tone not create any 'discenable difference to our mortal ears'?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Saz_frets.jpg)
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: gijira on August 11, 2010, 01:04:13 AM
boss, "kikil"= file. sa probinsya namin yan ang tawag ng mga alwage (carpenters), bomalabs=malabo, sinumbatan= naku mahirap to, parang "being held accountable", sorry di ko gano to maexplain.

thanks for the info ser regarding dif'rent fret materials.

now, overtones... maybe im just too lazy too really appreciate the difference between two metal fret materials. dont get me wrong po, its just me. i admire people who can tell the make of a guitars fret by just listening to its sound. pero cguro natututo na rin ako, medyo rinig ko difference ng overtones between an ordinary d28 and hd28.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 11, 2010, 02:12:03 AM
boss, "kikil"= file. sa probinsya namin yan ang tawag ng mga alwage (carpenters), bomalabs=malabo, sinumbatan= naku mahirap to, parang "being held accountable", sorry di ko gano to maexplain.

thanks for the info ser regarding dif'rent fret materials.

cool thanks for sharing that

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now, overtones... maybe im just too lazy too really appreciate the difference between two metal fret materials. dont get me wrong po, its just me.

i dont think its or your lazy, maybe as some try out many things they start picking the one's that do work for them...i know my previous drummer was really picky(especially cymbals) about every piece of component in his kit and he can make an average kit sound good but already has build a preference that worked for him

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i admire people who can tell the make of a guitars fret by just listening to its sound. pero cguro natututo na rin ako, medyo rinig ko difference ng overtones between an ordinary d28 and hd28.

I do too..but the difference will not always consistent..and will not work for everybody..its just best to keep an open mind on things, thats is why personally i dont draw absolute statements such as 'mahogany is better than alder' or SS vs NS tonally..there is just too many factors involved..

OT aside, thanks for sharing your insights and your luthiers' as well
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 11, 2010, 08:21:19 AM
not eq alone, also the overall setup of the guitar



of course, they did that with NS and plus some of the things they didnt have back then..(multifx's,PLEK, true temperament frets etc)

but lets put that phrase in a different light because some will be quick to jump here and add the (if it good enough for '(insert artist name') its good enough for me, or fingers-tone discussion),

but  to focus that -'yes' fret material can significantly alter a guitars sound..i believe that..just imagine having frets made of wood(some say ah it will sound warmer, what if the material was stone? that would be twice as hard to work with as NS frets lol..but it wouldnt be brighter in my mind)

so pretty much its all about options for your preferences..

me i like to have both..its just a good to have..guitars with SS(6105's) and NS(6105)..both great materials for frets

What I was saying is that they still prefer nickle over stainless frets even up to this day....  :-D

I guess I just have dog ears...  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 11, 2010, 09:06:00 AM
What I was saying is that they still prefer nickle over stainless frets even up to this day....  :-D
no doubt..some do try new stuff and some dont, its their mojo..

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I guess I just have dog ears...  :-D :-D :-D
yup, you most likely do because no one knows your guitar better than the player himself(in your level that is)...

its just the re-occuring band wagon of those who havent tried it and will get stuck into a notion that something is bad because it was a google result..its best to have those try it and for them to decide without some google result coaxing them if they like it or not..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bluenote on August 11, 2010, 10:08:14 AM
no doubt..some do try new stuff and some dont, its their mojo..
yup, you most likely do because no one knows your guitar better than the player himself(in your level that is)...

its just the re-occuring band wagon of those who havent tried it and will get stuck into a notion that something is bad because it was a google result..its best to have those try it and for them to decide without some google result coaxing them if they like it or not..

Agree bow...  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on August 11, 2010, 03:36:04 PM
Wow, ang ganda ng mga palitan ng kuro-kuro...very informative...Thank you mga bossing :lol:...
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: analog.matt on August 11, 2010, 06:42:07 PM
maki share din ako.

i'm no expert nor very experienced like some of our members here.

but i remember reading somewhere na modern luthiers daw in their building of their guitars compensate for the SS frets. sa pick ups daw ang compensation? don't ask me brothers, i'm just sharing what i read. how they compensate, i really don't know.

and sabi nga ni Leo Fender, some people just have extra ordinary ears. so i guess if it really bothers a person, switching back to NS frets is the best move.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 11, 2010, 11:30:24 PM
maki share din ako.

i'm no expert nor very experienced like some of our members here.

but i remember reading somewhere na modern luthiers daw in their building of their guitars compensate for the SS frets. sa pick ups daw ang compensation? don't ask me brothers, i'm just sharing what i read. how they compensate, i really don't know.

its the overall set up, i really dont know how one could compensate it just by pickups alone..interesting share though

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and sabi nga ni Leo Fender, some people just have extra ordinary ears. so i guess if it really bothers a person, switching back to NS frets is the best move.

correct'o
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: pitongjerome on August 13, 2010, 02:51:52 PM
its the overall set up, i really dont know how one could compensate it just by pickups alone..interesting share though



i think if your tone becomes trebly because of the SS frets, then just get a pickup with low treble lol..

and i think the higher your action, less treble it is, plus fatter tone.. thats in my experience only..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: kebs on August 22, 2010, 09:54:03 AM
Does anyone know where I can get super jumbo ss fret wires (basta yung kasinlaki ng fret wires ng Ibanez RG)? Yep, i'll consider shipping if that's the only way. TIA. :-)
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 22, 2010, 09:58:46 PM
Does anyone know where I can get super jumbo ss fret wires (basta yung kasinlaki ng fret wires ng Ibanez RG)? Yep, i'll consider shipping if that's the only way. TIA. :-)

super jumbo? thats not really specific..i suggest you call or inquire lmii.com(luthiers mercantile)..so they can help you..
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: kebs on August 25, 2010, 12:28:38 AM
super jumbo? thats not really specific..i suggest you call or inquire lmii.com(luthiers mercantile)..so they can help you..

Oh ok. Thanks for the website! It was really helpful. :-)

I actually forgot to mention that I would most probably be considering having the frets shipped here in the Philippines. Through some research, I found out I could have some of the frets I want shipped by our fellow forumite BossingBoss (the "jumboest" ones from AllParts). But I'm still considering other options. Any other better suggestions?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 25, 2010, 12:41:52 AM
Oh ok. Thanks for the website! It was really helpful. :-)

I actually forgot to mention that I would most probably be considering having the frets shipped here in the Philippines. Through some research, I found out I could have some of the frets I want shipped by our fellow forumite BossingBoss (the "jumboest" ones from AllParts). But I'm still considering other options. Any other better suggestions?

stewmac, lmii, molotov bros' well, some sellers will radius your frets by request..i think your luthier can do that..

(http://www.lutherie.net/dunlop.fretwire.chart.old.simple.jpg)
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: markezekiel on August 25, 2010, 02:14:01 AM
nakaka intriga naman yan SS na yan.. sayang layo kasi ng mga guitar doctors dito. hehe.taga laguna pa kasi ko.
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: region III on August 25, 2010, 04:31:35 AM
bry, have you tried 6100s?
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: bryanarzaga on August 25, 2010, 05:18:00 AM
bry, have you tried 6100s?

yes they are wider,suhr pro m models is closest to have these stock and feel wise, frankly I prefer 6105
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: kebs on August 25, 2010, 10:41:34 AM
stewmac, lmii, molotov bros' well, some sellers will radius your frets by request..i think your luthier can do that..


Well that's nice, but yeah, I think teh luthier can do that. Though I've settled to having the frets shipped by mr. BossingBoss, since the deadline for the orders of his next shipment is at the end of this month (I can't wait haha). Ordered them 6100-sized SS frets. Thanks for the useful infos sir Bry! :-)
Title: Re: Stainless steel frets pros and cons
Post by: kawayan_strat on August 25, 2010, 04:39:42 PM
To all GC experts, anong masasabi nyo sa stainless steel frets?

Pros & Cons please?
I have stainless steel frets on my kawayan strat and here are the pros and cons..

Pros:

Super strong
no wear(mine's already 9 yrs old)
 
Cons:

Bright sounding(if you like it that way,then good for you)
Kawawa yung luthier mo kasi mejo matigas
Expensive(but you only have to refret your guitar once)

So far yan lang yung mga nakita kong mga issues regarding stainless frets.