does anyone here at PM tried one of these? Any reviews? tempting kasi.
Just want to hear your opinions before "tempting" turns to "gassing"
hehe. Thanks. :D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: jamming_papu on June 22, 2011, 06:18:59 AM
looks nice, for a copy. :lol:
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: markezekiel on June 22, 2011, 07:10:18 AM
and japan made daw sabi nung ts. And it is only sold for 12k. Panalo kaya to?
Hehe. Syet! gaAaAas! Layuan mo ko!
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: Alchemist0725 on June 22, 2011, 08:07:23 AM
IMHO, for 12k, I'll better go with the 2nd hand Ibanez RG around classifieds. Sa tingin ko after mo bilhin yung ganito, you still be longing "how it feels to play" an original Ibby than a copy. :wink:
No offense to seller but i have a second thought if its "really" made in Japan.
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1.0) Made in Japan (Black Jems are Made in Korea- Jem77v)
then sa FAQ nya:
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-Madae na po me sinagot na ganya. after double confirmation from the supplier, this items are really made in Korea. Just to make the long story short po TRUST me, this one is not from China. Madae na po ako transactions na nagawa and check nyo preferences ko, I'm not going to sell guitars na hindi po quality.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: lestervai on June 22, 2011, 08:15:58 AM
is there a such things as CLASS A in guitar?
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: markezekiel on June 22, 2011, 08:23:56 AM
and japan made daw sabi nung ts. And it is only sold for 12k. Panalo kaya to?
Hehe. Syet! gaAaAas! Layuan mo ko!
idk if you missed it or not. it's not MIJ.. it's MIK the ts stated it so. for me, for the 12k i'll just buy a nice 2nd hand s series(i prefer it more than rg). and fyi, it doesn't have the jem feel and tone. i tried one and compared to my personal jem(which i traded to make way for a newer jem coming this july or august. lol) it's really different.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: Tasty on June 22, 2011, 08:32:03 AM
idk if you missed it or not. it's not MIJ.. it's MIK the ts stated it so. for me, for the 12k i'll just buy a nice 2nd hand s series(i prefer it more than rg). and fyi, it doesn't have the jem feel and tone. i tried one and compared to my personal jem(which i traded to make way for a newer jem coming this july or august. lol) it's really different.
+1 for S Series guitars.
If you really want an RG, go for the newer models with the ZR trems.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 22, 2011, 08:34:43 AM
idk if you missed it or not. it's not MIJ.. it's MIK the ts stated it so. for me, for the 12k i'll just buy a nice 2nd hand s series(i prefer it more than rg). and fyi, it doesn't have the jem feel and tone. i tried one and compared to my personal jem(which i traded to make way for a newer jem coming this july or august. lol) it's really different.
ok sir. Gas cured. Hehe. :D
i think ill just try out those s-series
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: markezekiel on June 22, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
idk if you missed it or not. it's not MIJ.. it's MIK the ts stated it so. for me, for the 12k i'll just buy a nice 2nd hand s series(i prefer it more than rg). and fyi, it doesn't have the jem feel and tone. i tried one and compared to my personal jem(which i traded to make way for a newer jem coming this july or august. lol) it's really different.
ok sir. Gas cured. Hehe. :D
i think ill just try out those s-series
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: pao2pao16 on June 22, 2011, 09:00:01 AM
IMHO, for 12k, I'll better go with the 2nd hand Ibanez RG around classifieds. Sa tingin ko after mo bilhin yung ganito, you still be longing "how it feels to play" an original Ibby than a copy. :wink:
No offense to seller but i have a second thought if its "really" made in Japan.
then sa FAQ nya:
The TS should really check his sources. Sobrang contradicting ng mga sinasabi niya.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 22, 2011, 09:02:54 AM
might as well just get the body and the neck..
and no thats china..those locking nuts are the death to me and also the trem...they need to be replaced...
and i did have copies too and also had co-workers ask me to order some..at stock with the parts it can be usable at some point till you start playing it the parts FLAIL...
and with this one. its not a dead-on clone..AANJ not right, try fitting it in an Ibanez rg formed case.. it wont sit right
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 22, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
The key thing to always remember if you're goin' to purchase one of these is to have it properly and carefully set-up by an experienced guitar luthier. Have it tweaked a little bit here and there and that should do it.
If you're still not satisfied with the outcome, follow Bryanarz's advice, change some parts that you think should need to be replaced and replace it with the ones that'll suit your taste.
If nothing works still, then the guitar is not for you.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarman8294 on June 22, 2011, 10:18:49 AM
The key thing to always remember if you're goin' to purchase one of these is to have it properly and carefully set-up by an experienced guitar luthier. Have it tweaked a little bit here and there and that should do it.
If you're still not satisfied with the outcome, follow Bryanarz's advice, change some parts that you think should need to be replaced and replace it with the ones that'll suit your taste.
If nothing works still, then the guitar is not for you.
+100.. 8-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 22, 2011, 10:37:18 AM
yeah. kahit anong class pa yan, fake pa rin yan. come to think of it tho, give the seller credit for actually saying that he's selling fakes.
OT: What is the difference between FAKE and COPY?
IMO: FAKE is when you sell it on the price of an original, I think that is fake. And COPY is when you sell it on the price of a copy. Just like the pirated DVDs, don't sell it at Php800 up, they sell it at Php30 and you don't say it's a fake but it's a copy. Just my 2 cents. Sorry sa OT TS.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 22, 2011, 11:08:21 AM
The key thing to always remember if you're goin' to purchase one of these is to have it properly and carefully set-up by an experienced guitar luthier. Have it tweaked a little bit here and there and that should do it.
also keep in mind,the cost of a luthier compared to the clone..but before that always try before you buy..
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If you're still not satisfied with the outcome, follow Bryanarz's advice, change some parts that you think should need to be replaced and replace it with the ones that'll suit your taste.
ah, before that make sure its what you wanted..meaning it feels good, sounds good, plays good
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If nothing works still, then the guitar is not for you.
true!
btw guys, its not class A if its not dead on(not parts wise but dimensions)..
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 22, 2011, 11:09:20 AM
FAKE - a guitar stamped with Ibanez/Fender/Gibson when in fact it's not a real Ibanez/Fender/Gibson.
COPY - a similar guitar but without the branding. samples are Japanese Strat/LP/ES335 copies, custom builds that are based on popular brands. operating phrase being based on, it effectively copies the original. but not claims it's an original.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: stringman on June 22, 2011, 11:20:14 AM
FAKE - a guitar stamped with Ibanez/Fender/Gibson when in fact it's not a real Ibanez/Fender/Gibson.
COPY - a similar guitar but without the branding. samples are Japanese Strat/LP/ES335 copies, custom builds that are based on popular brands. operating phrase being based on, it effectively copies the original. but not claims it's an original.
I think fake has something to do more with misleading a buyer it's the real thing and passing it out as the same price as the original.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: maxi_musikero on June 22, 2011, 11:22:43 AM
I think fake has something to do more with misleading a buyer it's the real thing and passing it out as the same price as the original.
it's really not in the pricing but the branding. it won't be a fake Fender if it doesn't have Fender stamped anywhere in the guitar. you also can't pass a fake Fender as a real Fender if there's no branding. :-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: vhunter on June 22, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
There are costs associated with making a guitar and some of the basics are pretty much available online. Cheaper Fakes and copies use
1. Poor tuners 2. Poor Bridges
(Which ends up with you being out of tune most of the time)
3. Poor Electronics
(You end up humming or with switches not working / being scratchy)
4. Poor Fretwork
(Higher action so its harder to play the guitar)
5. Poor Wood
(Will probably warp depending if its summer or rainy season resulting in poor action).
SO
Yeah.. stop buying chinese fakes and get a decent quality controlled guitar like a low end Ibanez or the PRS SE's etc etc.
You dont need a Jem to play like Vai... hahaha .. just a [gooey brown stuff] of talent and practice with a decent guitar.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: kimhags on June 22, 2011, 11:25:50 AM
FAKE - a guitar stamped with Ibanez/Fender/Gibson when in fact it's not a real Ibanez/Fender/Gibson.
COPY - a similar guitar but without the branding. samples are Japanese Strat/LP/ES335 copies, custom builds that are based on popular brands. operating phrase being based on, it effectively copies the original. but not claims it's an original.
this. just like those epiphones that people keep making threads about. :|
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: Bolt Thrower on June 22, 2011, 11:30:01 AM
pass ka diyan bro. looks cheap. feels cheap.
mapapagastos ka pa lalo niyan. kasi in the end, i-dispose mo din yan for a better guitar.
btw, OT na pero I just hate how some Pinoys overuse the term "Class A". Langya sabihin nalang kasing diretso na FAKE. Ambot!!!
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 22, 2011, 11:34:13 AM
I know someone who charges at a very reasonable rate/price. Quality is superb! :wink:
rufo? i think he's far from most guys
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Bry, if it already feels, sounds and plays good, then he doesn't have to change anything, does he? :-D
well yeah, but as far as copies go..i cant vouch for these especially the ibanez fakes..nobody has nailed a pre-production clone..nobody..and i thought when i had mine copied the cad and specs would be all over the place..nope, i tell you only a few will actually give you what you want..(mine came with an edge style trem that broke after a few days), needed a full fret level, electronics suck..but it had a good feel, but thats ok to me since i know what to do with it..and it cost me 120-usd shipped this was 2007
OT: all these "my supplier my supplier" talk is all middle men, if you want a clone get the specs right..
what Vhunter details is true but point 4. is also true to guitars around 300-800usd range( PRS SE included)..guitar fretwork quality should be important..
but yeah stop buying fakes(brand name copies with the brand logo), this is only a DIYer guitarTinkerer's toy..if you're a musician looking for a guitar you can depend on get a pre prod guitar..and go from there..
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: arpeggiosfromheaven on June 22, 2011, 11:59:56 AM
well yeah, but as far as copies go..i cant vouch for these especially the ibanez fakes..nobody has nailed a pre-production clone..nobody..and i thought when i had mine copied the cad and specs would be all over the place..nope, i tell you only a few will actually give you what you want..(mine came with an edge style trem that broke after a few days), needed a full fret level, electronics suck..but it had a good feel, but thats ok to me since i know what to do with it..and it cost me 120-usd shipped this was 2007
OT: all these "my supplier my supplier" talk is all middle men, if you want a clone get the specs right..
what Vhunter details is true but point 4. is also true to guitars around 300-800usd range( PRS SE included)..guitar fretwork quality should be important..
but yeah stop buying fakes(brand name copies with the brand logo), this is only a DIYer guitarTinkerer's toy..if you're a musician looking for a guitar you can depend on get a pre prod guitar..and go from there..
Yes. But there are others as well. :-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 22, 2011, 12:06:41 PM
Ahvia? Micsis?...other than that..there's a bunch in cebu haha
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: spankyrigor on June 22, 2011, 12:07:19 PM
BTW in this context, the term "Class A" is short for "Class A Imitation", referring to the varying levels of quality among copies (or fakes or whatever). In the case of rubber shoes sold in Cartimar, there existed "Class B" and "Class C". Eventually the supplier figured nobody was buying the Class B or Class C items, (hindi na talaga mukhang Nike yung mga sapatos) so they stopped churning those out. Needless to say there was still quality control even with their line of work. :lol: Same thing with apparel, bags, perfumes, etc. Nowadays lahat ng Fake ay "Class A".
Buyer beware nalang talaga.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: stringman on June 22, 2011, 12:08:07 PM
BTW in this context, the term "Class A" is short for "Class A Imitation", referring to the varying levels of quality among copies (or fakes or whatever). In the case of rubber shoes sold in Cartimar, there existed "Class B" and "Class C". Eventually the supplier figured nobody was buying the Class B or Class C items, (hindi na talaga mukhang Nike yung mga sapatos) so they stopped churning those out. Needless to say there was still quality control even with their line of work. :lol: Same thing with apparel, bags, perfumes, etc. Nowadays lahat ng Fake ay "Class A".
Buyer beware nalang talaga.
Spanky is right, it's not only happening on musical instruments. I think it's not a Pinoy thing when they say "Class A", try to go to 168 Mall and talk to the pure blooded Chinese traders there, they would still say it's "Class A".
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 22, 2011, 12:09:12 PM
BTW in this context, the term "Class A" is short for "Class A Imitation", referring to the varying levels of quality among copies (or fakes or whatever). In the case of rubber shoes sold in Cartimar, there existed "Class B" and "Class C". Eventually the supplier figured nobody was buying the Class B or Class C items, (hindi na talaga mukhang Nike yung mga sapatos) so they stopped churning those out. Needless to say there was still quality control even with their line of work. :lol: Same thing with apparel, bags, perfumes, etc. Nowadays lahat ng Fake ay "Class A".
Buyer beware nalang talaga.
sales talk is all. fake is a negative-sounding word while class A sounds good. :-D
mga sirs , hindi ba ito offensive against the seller? :-)
If he's really into the business, he must accept consequences. But yeah. If I were the seller, this thread might have offended me. But business is business.
This "class A" term must have a basis.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: arpeggiosfromheaven on June 22, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
If he's really into the business, he must accept consequences. But yeah. If I were the seller, this thread might have offended me. But business is business.
This "class A" term must have a basis.
yeah yer right. business is business.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: max28 on June 22, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
idk if you missed it or not. it's not MIJ.. it's MIK the ts stated it so. for me, for the 12k i'll just buy a nice 2nd hand s series(i prefer it more than rg). and fyi, it doesn't have the jem feel and tone. i tried one and compared to my personal jem(which i traded to make way for a newer jem coming this july or august. lol) it's really different.
this! maganda talaga S series masgusto ko to kesa sa mga RG's
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: stringman on June 22, 2011, 01:38:00 PM
I doubt if it's Korean, but in fairness it looks good.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 22, 2011, 01:45:24 PM
OT: is OEM the new class A? yun na yung madalas na ginagamit ngayon na term. lol
OEM is not fake as far as i know.
an example is when a big US company subcontracts its labor to China for example to save on labor cost. the products are assembled in China then sent back to the US for QC and branding.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: randymarsh on June 23, 2011, 09:22:38 AM
kung wala kang pera pambili ng orig na jem d2 ka nlng tpos tadtarin mo nlng ng DIMARZIO's Na P.U
tpos konting sanding sa neck sa luthiers..tapos ang usapan... gumastos ka lng ng round 25-30k halos kamukha na..
120k isang orig na jem d2 sa pinas...BNEW...
you save round 80k...
well the floating bridge looks definitely odd. looks like a cheap lo-trs copy to me, idk. if you are going to spend 30k anyway, bakit hindi nalang bumili ng ibanez prestige?
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 09:29:03 AM
an example is when a big US company subcontracts its labor to China for example to save on labor cost. the products are assembled in China then sent back to the US for QC and branding.
Yes.
I just don't understand why some people just can't accept the fact that this certain guy likes this certain guitar.. :|
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 09:32:31 AM
an example is when a big US company subcontracts its labor to China for example to save on labor cost. the products are assembled in China then sent back to the US for QC and branding.
soo that's the catch for 50% price off. just a question? would they cost them a lot more if they ship it back and forth?
well the floating bridge looks definitely odd. looks like a cheap lo-trs copy to me, idk. if you are going to spend 30k anyway, bakit hindi nalang bumili ng ibanez prestige?
+1 to this. i heard this from tv: if you can afford it, then buy it. if not, live up to your means.
well the floating bridge looks definitely odd. looks like a cheap lo-trs copy to me, idk. if you are going to spend 30k anyway, bakit hindi nalang bumili ng ibanez prestige?
Maybe the guy's really after the Vai-look, pareng Randy.
You're referring to a used Ibanez Prestige, right?
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: randymarsh on June 23, 2011, 09:36:53 AM
soo that's the catch for 50% price off. just a question? would they cost them a lot more if they ship it back and forth?
+1 to this. i heard this from tv: if you can afford it, then buy it. if not, live up to your means.
well, he's asking for help. we're just here to give tips.
I know. But we must also try to read between the lines. Even if he's asking for tips or suggestions, the fact that he brought-up this topic is proof enough that he badly wants the guitar. The guy might just be on a tight budget so giving him the advice to get the real one or anything that's more expensive than what he wants would just be futile.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: stringman on June 23, 2011, 09:43:42 AM
A few days ago I tried a Chinese knock-off. The neck doesn't feel right, the pickup is responsive, the floyd rose system needs replacing and it goes out of tune.
BUT............. the price dictates it can be a good candidate for modification. Well, if you know where to buy your parts and you know how to setup the guitar, it's not half as bad as it is. If the buyer is just starting out and knows nothing, eventually the buyer will sell this after a few months. But for me it's a good candidate to abuse it. Let's say you have the orig and it never leaves your house, this can be a good substitute for the daily abuse.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 09:47:12 AM
I know. But we must also try to read between the lines. Even if he's asking for tips or suggestions, the fact that he brought-up this topic is proof enough that he badly wants the guitar. The guy might just be on a tight budget so giving him the advice to get the real one or anything that's more expensive than what he wants would just be futile.
well.. if you back read, you'll see that TS problem is already solved and i originally gave him a tip that he's better off with a 2nd hand ibby with equal price. what we're discussing here is about thunder_shadow's statement.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: thunder_shadow(raikage) on June 23, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
at oo nga kamukha nga ng jem. pero katunog ba? kafeel ba? kaganda ng quality ba? nothing comes close to the real one.
OT: is OEM the new class A? yun na yung madalas na ginagamit ngayon na term. lol
para naman sa mga walang cash i prefer..indeed nothing comes close to the real ones.but how about the other VAI inspired guitar players??? ..for your KKK's (katunong,kafeel,kaganda ng quality?) you dont need the exact one to play good..MR.Jack Rufo played VAI's piece on a CRAPPY guitar...
oh yeah last time i checked the price of JEM's was 120k php in the year 2004 jem7vwh sori im not updated..
well the floating bridge looks definitely odd. looks like a cheap lo-trs copy to me, idk. if you are going to spend 30k anyway, bakit hindi nalang bumili ng ibanez prestige?
yeah like put a LIONS CLAW ON A IBANEZ RG1550(sabay mali ung pagkabutas oh ARUH ka sakit)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: randymarsh on June 23, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
yeah like put a LIONS CLAW ON A IBANEZ RG1550(sabay mali ung pagkabutas oh ARUH ka sakit)
well that's stupidity. lion's claw is unnecessary with the low profile (lo-pro, edge-pro, etc..) trems available on ibanez guitars today. kaya lang may lion's claw ang ibanez jem (way back in the late 80's, early 90's) para macompensate yung pull-ups sa ibanez edge trem. you can do pull ups without the lion's claw on newer ibanez without any problems.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 10:07:58 AM
well.. if you back read, you'll see that TS problem is already solved and i originally gave him a tip that he's better off with a 2nd hand ibby with equal price. what we're discussing here is about thunder_shadow's statement.
Even so. You say, katunog ba? Ka-feel ba? Ka-quality ba? Who knows? Maybe. That's why there's this so-called "modifications" di ba? To make your instrument feel and sound better.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 10:12:56 AM
para naman sa mga walang cash i prefer..indeed nothing comes close to the real ones.but how about the other VAI inspired guitar players??? ..for your KKK's (katunong,kafeel,kaganda ng quality?) you dont need the exact one to play good..MR.Jack Rufo played VAI's piece on a CRAPPY guitar...
oh yeah last time i checked the price of JEM's was 120k php in the year 2004 jem7vwh sori im not updated..
walang cash? but with 30k to burn? then they're better off with a rg prestige. for vai inspired players, why waste 30k for a copy if you can have a prestige almost or even equally as good as a jem? i know about mr. rufo but even him knows he's better off with a prestige(he currently uses one) than spending 30k for a copy.
Even so. You say, katunog ba? Ka-feel ba? Ka-quality ba? Who knows? Maybe. That's why there's this so-called "modifications" di ba? To make your instrument feel and sound better.
i'm just saying due to 1st hand experience. yeah, i know the modifications. what i'm trying to say is will you spend enough money to buy a better build guitar to those mods? specially knowing the guitar is just a copy.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 23, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
kung wala kang pera pambili ng orig na jem d2 ka nlng tpos tadtarin mo nlng ng DIMARZIO's Na P.U
adding Dimarzio's just doesnt solve the problem
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tpos konting sanding sa neck sa luthiers..tapos ang usapan... gumastos ka lng ng round 25-30k halos kamukha na..
sanding sa neck? what does that do?
and 25-30K is money spent on ishibashi prestige or rg's or s's that were made right
lets say you do get this and spend that much for it(the fake)...side by side..its will still be far from it. try it out take an Ibanez RG form fitted case and try to fit this guitar..
unless some are after the scheme, white body, pearloid pickguard, white pickups, maple neck, dark fretboard(its rosewood not ebony)..this is the only reason i can think of why some would dig it...
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 10:26:11 AM
i'm just saying due to 1st hand experience. yeah, i know the modifications. what i'm trying to say is will you spend enough money to buy a better build guitar to those mods? specially knowing the guitar is just a copy.
True enough. But the 25-30k thing is of course just an exaggeration. What if the guy's really after the Vai-look? If that's what the fellow's really after, to feed his thought of having the Vai guitar, then the best thing to do to feed that thought and desire is to buy a copy and have it modified. Buying a Prestige won't kill it.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: yahoo! on June 23, 2011, 10:27:40 AM
may i ask sa mga nakakaalam ng tunay na presyo ng "Class A Ibanez Jems" kung magkano ba talaga presyo nito bago dumating sa pinas?
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 10:29:19 AM
and 25-30K is money spent on ishibashi prestige or rg's or s's that were made right
lets say you do get this and spend that much for it(the fake)...side by side..its will still be far from it. try it out take an Ibanez RG form fitted case and try to fit this guitar..
unless some are after the scheme, white body, pearloid pickguard, white pickups, maple neck, dark fretboard(its rosewood not ebony)..this is the only reason i can think of why some would dig it...
Such is the case, Bry. :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
True enough. But the 25-30k thing is of course just an exaggeration. What if the guy's really after the Vai-look? If that's what the fellow's really after, to feed his thought of having the Vai guitar, then the best thing to do to feed that thought and desire is to buy a copy and have it modified. Buying a Prestige won't kill it.
if that's the case, then by all means go.:-D though he must make sure he won't regret it on the future.(talk about the really low resale value)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 23, 2011, 10:49:55 AM
may i ask sa mga nakakaalam ng tunay na presyo ng "Class A Ibanez Jems" kung magkano ba talaga presyo nito bago dumating sa pinas?
in my experience direct from factory it was $120 and that includes shipping, i kid not..and yes it there was a time it was 80USD(premade) with shipping included..and yes parts suck..
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 11:13:24 AM
if that's the case, then by all means go.:-D though he must make sure he won't regret it on the future.(talk about the really low resale value)
Well, that's no longer our problem.hahaha! :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bugoy on June 23, 2011, 11:47:00 AM
misleading yung Class A para sa mga newbie bakit kailangan pa gamitin yung term na yon hindi na lang derechohin na pekeng o fake na Ibanez. Yung mga gumagamit ng term CLASS A may intention manloko parang mga nagbebenta ng celphone hehe
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 01:41:25 PM
misleading yung Class A para sa mga newbie bakit kailangan pa gamitin yung term na yon hindi na lang derechohin na pekeng o fake na Ibanez. Yung mga gumagamit ng term CLASS A may intention manloko parang mga nagbebenta ng celphone hehe
Ganun talaga yun pareko'y. Business strategy kasi e. As long as 'di nila sinasabi na orig yun, I don't see any problem. Nasa tao na yan kung kakagat o hindi.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bugoy on June 23, 2011, 01:50:18 PM
Ganun talaga yun pareko'y. Business strategy kasi e. As long as 'di nila sinasabi na orig yun, I don't see any problem. Nasa tao na yan kung kakagat o hindi.
oo strategy para maka uto hehe kawawakang mga newbie pagnagkataon
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 02:03:09 PM
well i luckily bought a second hand rg1550 before for 12k with hardcase pa :-D abang abang lang daming quality guitars na available sa philmusic in cheap price
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: thunder_shadow(raikage) on June 23, 2011, 10:41:44 PM
Even so. You say, katunog ba? Ka-feel ba? Ka-quality ba? Who knows? Maybe. That's why there's this so-called "modifications" di ba? To make your instrument feel and sound better.
kung may like lang d2 sa forum..grabe
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 10:46:34 PM
well i luckily bought a second hand rg1550 before for 12k with hardcase pa :-D abang abang lang daming quality guitars na available sa philmusic in cheap price
you're a one lucky dude.. :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bugoy on June 23, 2011, 10:53:43 PM
fake parin dapat talaga ang tawag kahit ano pa sabihin hehe mabuti pa yung mga nagbebenta ng fake na rolex sinasabing fake rolex eheheh walang class A class A o china hehe
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: rowley75 on June 23, 2011, 11:00:47 PM
fake parin dapat talaga ang tawag kahit ano pa sabihin hehe mabuti pa yung mga nagbebenta ng fake na rolex sinasabing fake rolex eheheh walang class A class A o china hehe
hirap daw kasi i-class A ang rolex. lol! at least they could've changed the brand name so that they can call it as a "copy".. 8-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: guitarwiz02 on June 23, 2011, 11:58:03 PM
fake parin dapat talaga ang tawag kahit ano pa sabihin hehe mabuti pa yung mga nagbebenta ng fake na rolex sinasabing fake rolex eheheh walang class A class A o china hehe
But if they will bluntly call it "fake", then it would be business strategy no more.hehe!
Sa greenhills maraming nagsasabing class A Rolex. Kahit nga yung Oakley e, may class A din.
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bugoy on June 24, 2011, 12:06:46 AM
business strategy = style ng pang uuto hehe
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: BrianLP on June 24, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
I got the first one out of curiousity, so let me just review it real quick. COSMETIC WISE: it looks very pleasing to the eyes, immaculate white with a tree of life and gold hardware surely is an eyecandy.
PLAYABILITY:its much lighter than an RG or any ibanez i've picked up. The neck feels a bit rough but it works, the pickups arent as strong as they looked and when i got it, the intonation was kind of messed up.
Sound: it sounds OKAY, nothing so impressive.
HARDWARE: the tuners, retainer, nut..etc all held fine except for the trem bar holder. it sort of came loose after a while. an easy fix but it happens after a bit of divebombs which sort of disappointed me.
OVERALL: i'd still pick a second hand RG over it, hell id even pick a GIO.
conclusion: very expensive wall decoration
...but its not as bad as it seems. :-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: jamming_papu on June 24, 2011, 02:36:02 AM
well, if someone fancies of a wall full of signature guitar models, getting these is an easier and cheaper way to do it. :-)
It could work as a guitar but as a 'very playable, great feel and sounding guitar' hmmm ... challenge accepted. :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: DyuN_whamMe on June 24, 2011, 04:27:23 AM
plan ko bumili nito eh pero papa fixed bridge ko para maiba naman. :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: markezekiel on June 24, 2011, 06:02:06 PM
I got the first one out of curiousity, so let me just review it real quick. COSMETIC WISE: it looks very pleasing to the eyes, immaculate white with a tree of life and gold hardware surely is an eyecandy.
PLAYABILITY:its much lighter than an RG or any ibanez i've picked up. The neck feels a bit rough but it works, the pickups arent as strong as they looked and when i got it, the intonation was kind of messed up.
Sound: it sounds OKAY, nothing so impressive.
HARDWARE: the tuners, retainer, nut..etc all held fine except for the trem bar holder. it sort of came loose after a while. an easy fix but it happens after a bit of divebombs which sort of disappointed me.
OVERALL: i'd still pick a second hand RG over it, hell id even pick a GIO.
conclusion: very expensive wall decoration
...but its not as bad as it seems. :-)
yun oh! Thanks sa review sir! :D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 24, 2011, 07:36:30 PM
I got the first one out of curiousity, so let me just review it real quick. COSMETIC WISE: it looks very pleasing to the eyes, immaculate white with a tree of life and gold hardware surely is an eyecandy.
PLAYABILITY:its much lighter than an RG or any ibanez i've picked up. The neck feels a bit rough but it works, the pickups arent as strong as they looked and when i got it, the intonation was kind of messed up.
Sound: it sounds OKAY, nothing so impressive.
HARDWARE: the tuners, retainer, nut..etc all held fine except for the trem bar holder. it sort of came loose after a while. an easy fix but it happens after a bit of divebombs which sort of disappointed me.
OVERALL: i'd still pick a second hand RG over it, hell id even pick a GIO.
conclusion: very expensive wall decoration
...but its not as bad as it seems. :-)
post pics
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: arpeggiosfromheaven on June 24, 2011, 08:35:33 PM
Well, yeah, I guess it's safe to say that. I mean, halos lahat naman ng nasa selling business e nang-uuto e. :wink:
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: BrianLP on June 25, 2011, 12:34:53 AM
PICS (had very little time so ill be posting more detailed ones soon, even a video demo) dont hate on my pics, they came from a phone cam :-) (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5581/photo0001so.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3814/photo0002wn.jpg) (http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7379/photo0006y.jpg) (http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6848/photo0003ns.jpg) (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/117/photo0004pe.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8172/photo0005tz.jpg)
hard to see in the photos, but yes the last 4 frets are scalloped. hence wall decoration in the group shot. :-)
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 25, 2011, 01:36:03 AM
@brianLP,
(im in a clients location right now, pics are blocked lol)
got you the headstock back and front including serial, i have some full shots of the guitar which show the locking nut and theres a body shot which shows the trem. i will keep you guys posted :-D
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 25, 2011, 01:49:51 AM
@brianLP
thanks men
speaking for fake jems got a text from a friend he wants me to fix up his kids fakey..
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: BrianLP on June 25, 2011, 01:52:47 AM
PICS (had very little time so ill be posting more detailed ones soon, even a video demo) dont hate on my pics, they came from a phone cam :-) (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5581/photo0001so.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3814/photo0002wn.jpg) (http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7379/photo0006y.jpg) (http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6848/photo0003ns.jpg) (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/117/photo0004pe.jpg) (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8172/photo0005tz.jpg)
hard to see in the photos, but yes the last 4 frets are scalloped. hence wall decoration in the group shot. :-)
hey brian i saw the pics(downloaded actually)
- trem is not lo-trs but more like the ILT and TRS101 style - monkey grip is definitely large than normal - pickguard is not the right pattern including screw holes - headstock and its trussrod cover, - lower horn cutaway and upper horn, its too spread out..
ultimately like i think we agreed to it that its no jem replacement nor should it be one..if one dig the colors and just the look, thats their choice..
and to be honest 12K is just a pretty high start for upgrades..
PICS (had very little time so ill be posting more detailed ones soon, even a video demo) dont hate on my pics, they came from a phone cam :-) http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5581/photo0001so.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3814/photo0002wn.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7379/photo0006y.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6848/photo0003ns.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/117/photo0004pe.jpg http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8172/photo0005tz.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5581/photo0001so.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3814/photo0002wn.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7379/photo0006y.jpg http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/6848/photo0003ns.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/117/photo0004pe.jpg http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8172/photo0005tz.jpg)
hard to see in the photos, but yes the last 4 frets are scalloped. hence wall decoration in the group shot. :-)
wow pwede. :D
It looks good for me. IMO
Title: Re: "Class A" Ibanez Jems
Post by: bryanarzaga on June 25, 2011, 11:53:51 AM
I would understand the sellers profit here. I'm sure the seller would not be engaged in bulk retail, reason why the price is a bit high. But i've seen some selling lower than 12k, lower than 10k to be exact.