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Title: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2012, 08:48:40 AM
I think MIJ guitars are still much better than Korea, ASEAN and China Guitars. But, the past two years or so trying out the higher end of USA guitars has made me discriminating against MIJ guitars. Don't get me wrong because there are good sounding MIJs that sound better even their USA counterparts -- in fact Chelsea Guitars would recommend a cheaper MIJ over a more expensive MIA that sounds bad.
I just realized this recently that MIJ guitars have a greater mythos than what they actually deliver TODAY. Probably back in the 70s and 80s, they beat Made in America at least in terms of value and workmanship. But yesterday was a turning point because I had actually -- could not believe myself -- bought a Fender Custom Shop Tele that sounded great. Previously, I thought that the Custom Shop was all hype but sometimes by luck (Fender Custom Shop produces way more duds than great sounding guitars like any other brand) and when the stars align an outstanding Fender Custom Shop comes along and it blows away the Japs. I and Arie had spent time comparing the dimensions, workmanship and overall Feel of the Custom Shop Tele versus his old Tokai. And low and behold, the Custom Shop seemed to look and feel better. In fact, parang in accurate ang dimensions ng Tokai compared to the Custom Shop. A few months ago, I got to try a Tokai Tele at Lyric (those guys really understand and let you try their stuff) and I felt despite the hype that 1)Tokai has a limited run and 2) will eventually close because the grand children will NOT continue the business (hanep sa tele novela to sell a guitar), it felt like a toy. Sobrang shiny, parang maliit ang neck and katawan, parang hindi tama ang feel and corners and the usual manipis na tunog na Japan -- the same sickness of the 70s-80s Fender copies.
Which brings me to my point, Japanese made guitars did herald the way to lower costing and lower priced guitars as PRIMARY OBJECTIVE and probably led to Fender USA's survival in the long run (Japanese quality control and high standards -- which I believe have NOT been matched by ASEAN, China or India to this day). In contrast the boutique builders and customs shops TODAY in the USA and Europe have tone, feel and character as prime consideration as reflected by the higher price. I am not saying that they do NOT produce duds -- far from it (with the exception of my luthier friend in Israel -- I think guitars are better produced in the Middle East -- LOL). There are I believe some high end luthiers in Japan who deserve attention but I think they play second fiddle to the US guys for the main reason that the US guys have better exposure to artists and have grown up in the culture of guitar -- which is the reason why I do NOT have anything commissioned by a local luthier).
Between having no guitar and having an ASEAN made guitar. Its better to get an ASEAN made guitar. Between a Santa Mesa made guitar and an ASEAN guitar. Go for an ASEAN made guitar. Between an ASEAN made guitar and a Japanese Guitar, go for a Japanese Guitar. The local luthiers range from below ASEAN made but above Santa Mesa to as high as normal production Japanese Guitar. Between USA Guitar and Japanese Guitar, look for a great sounding regular production. Between a great sounding regular production and a Boutique Guitar, look a for a great sounding Boutique Guitar -- don't get rid of your regular production yet until you find that magical Boutique Guitar.
When it comes to sound, USA IS THE WAY TO GO specially if you are looking for a MAGICAL GUITAR. Lets face it, once you buy your killer sounding MIJ, you end up upgrading it over time with USA parts worth more than the cost of an American Standard. Now compare that to same upgraded parts on a USA made guitar with similar properties. It is foolish. I think Jap guitars have to be appreciated for what they are and as is. Ang joke ko nga kay Arie, medyo dehado yata ako sa shootout dahil stock Fender parts sa akin pero ang Tokai Tele niya may bridge na glendale, siguro a paper in oil cap, twang king pickup sa neck, fender tele texas special sa bridge, CTS 4 way switch na callaham, callaham na pots, and soon to be 6105 Dunlop frets and may plano pang bilhan ng Fender na Decal (LOL). Now if its a project guitar, I mean who does not have one, even this Fender USA Custom Shop Tele will not last long in stock-- none of my guitars do, its a worthwhile endeavor to start on a Jap but extremely more fun on the USA.
To summarize, GENERALLY YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR -- As Caution though sometimes, YOU PAY FOR SOMETHING NOT WORTH GETTING (e.g. ASEAN, China & India Guitars no matter how cheap or marketed as Value for Money, or Local Guitars no matter how CUSTOMIZED they claim it to be)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: vhunter on March 24, 2012, 09:10:43 AM
Been telling you for the last 6 years. Fender CS is the SHIZNITZ! I played my WW10 Last thursday through the 2rock and man its just crazy. I loved it! Woody full of body and loaded with character. :) .
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
Been telling you for the last 6 years. Fender CS is the SHIZNITZ! I played my WW10 Last thursday through the 2rock and man its just crazy. I loved it! Woody full of body and loaded with character. :) .
Bow ako...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: royc on March 24, 2012, 10:21:03 AM
no offense meant but i find it illogical to compare a mass produced tokai to a fender custom shop guitar. would have been more appropriate to compare your custom shop tele to a tele made by a known luthier and with a similar price range. that would be more interesting in my case :-)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2012, 10:29:05 AM
no offense meant but i find it illogical to compare a mass produced tokai to a fender custom shop guitar. would have been more appropriate to compare your custom shop tele to a tele made by a known luthier and with a similar price range. that would be more interesting in my case :-)
+1. I agree. But it is what people in this forum do when they compare their Tokais or their MIM to Fender USAs right?
By the way, before I bought this specific fender custom shop, I just had to test several Suhr Teles and found none equivalent to it or anywhere near it. As you guys know, I am biased for Suhr. Also, I had to clear the Custom Shop Teles at Sam Ash before I finished off the 15 Custom Shop Teles at Matt Umanovs to pick my specific Custom Shop Tele as the most outstanding of those available for sale in Manhattan at THAT point in time.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2012, 10:33:46 AM
Been telling you for the last 6 years. Fender CS is the SHIZNITZ! I played my WW10 Last thursday through the 2rock and man its just crazy. I loved it! Woody full of body and loaded with character. :) .
Finally, lumabas ka na sa closet kasama ng Tele mo. Hindi ka pala JG. Tele guy ka pala. LOL.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 24, 2012, 11:16:00 AM
read the subject heading -interesting. then i read the guts of the post -let me get this straight: you're comparing a Tokai to a Custom Shop strat then qualify the comparison with a generalized "MIJ sucks" subject heading? last time i checked tokai never had a specialized custom shop.
come on man, the herb you smoke can't be THAT strong.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 24, 2012, 11:31:21 AM
I believe there are still some exceptional japanese guitar..
Ibanez J. Custom
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Bolt Thrower on March 24, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
I believe there are still some exceptional japanese guitar..
Ibanez J. Custom
J.customs aren't that exceptional IMHO. They sound and feel like the Prestige line mas pogi lang looks at specs. Try the custom made ESPs and Navigators. Those one off Navigators I tried in Japan when I bought my Jackson Stars were exceptional. Broke in feel, resonant unplugged, and very very meticulous craftsmanship. Kakatakot nga hawakan yung Les Paul and SG Navigators doon kasi ang mahal at exclusively built.
I dig everything Japanese. Yes, including the chicks. lol So I don't have a problem with Jap guitars. :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 24, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
mainit...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 24, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
I believe there are still some exceptional japanese guitar..
Ibanez J. Custom
Nope ... they don't cut it. For the past twenty years since I started guitar I NEVER found an Ibanez guitar with magic sa dami ng sinubukan ko at binili ko.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2012, 10:03:54 PM
Nope ... they don't cut it. For the past twenty years since I started guitar I NEVER found an Ibanez guitar with magic sa dami ng sinubukan ko at binili ko.
saan mo naman gagamitin ang magic?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 05:29:50 AM
He was based in the USA and would fine tune cars in Japan... but sadly he passed away. Cliff Cultreri was going to help him launch and distribute his guitar line in the U.S.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 25, 2012, 08:51:49 AM
i am wondering why this doesn't count as one of those pointless cliche threads that get locked on sight.
1. amusement -i ain't gonna lie, sh*t like this keeps the forum amusing 2. the generalized statement doesn't hold true so why take it seriously? 3. the statement, opinion and basis is largely coming from a limited experience set -not an industry professional, not a touring or performing musician or not a trained luthier so why lose energy to get riled up over it?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 25, 2012, 09:03:57 AM
1. amusement -i ain't gonna lie, sh*t like this keeps the forum amusing 2. the generalized statement doesn't hold true so why take it seriously? 3. the statement, opinion and basis is largely coming from a limited experience set -not an industry professional, not a touring or performing musician or not a trained luthier so why lose energy to get riled up over it?
:)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 09:14:28 AM
Sa bahay ko... Saan pa. Ikaw saan mo gagamitin? Sa local club o gig na mababa ang standard sa P.A., na maliit ang bayad, na halos hindi napupuntahan, na most of the time maliit ang budget/o wala at expected pa maghakot ng mga manonood.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 09:19:24 AM
1. amusement -i ain't gonna lie, sh*t like this keeps the forum amusing
(Its NOT [gooey brown stuff]... I used to be a fanboy of Made in Japan guitars over USA guitars and that seriously changed when my baker firemodel#55 arrived.) 2. the generalized statement doesn't hold true so why take it seriously? (It holds true in a lot of cases, so better take it seriouisly.) 3. the statement, opinion and basis is largely coming from a limited experience set -not an industry professional, not a touring or performing musician or not a trained luthier so why lose energy to get riled up over it? (There is one difference -- I can hear better than others and more importantly I can FEEL the character and magic of instruments which leads me to believe that you cannot despite your experience. Statements like yours betray your inexperience in selecting great sounding guitars. I apologize for being personal but I am NOT taking this [gooey brown stuff] from you ANYMORE given that you have NOT tried my gear nor have you brought your gear for comparison.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
hah! nice. nice. seems i touched a nerve. "Statements like yours betray your inexperience in selecting great sounding guitars" -i like that though, definitely my favorite rebuttal.
i'd love to chat but i got a gig in 2 hours -stay comfy sa bahay with your gear and don't drink too much of the hate-o-reade.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Jason on March 25, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
He was based in the USA and would fine tune cars in Japan... but sadly he passed away. Cliff Cultreri was going to help him launch and distribute his guitar line in the U.S.
so someone's still try to continue his legacy?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 25, 2012, 10:28:39 AM
there might be. word on the street was one of his students was going to take on his existing build cue. he had a few apprentices over the years and had close relationships with big archtop/flattop luthiers. to date, his wife Kazuko would know more but she doesn't build guitars or go to the luthier industry shows. i was at Newport and Healdsburg this year and some of his notable past apprentices were in attendance and if anything they would know whats up. i personally know some of his old students and can ask.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 25, 2012, 10:51:54 AM
i know somebody who is a person in direct contact with Tokai, I would like to share the following:
1.) In the late 50s and early 60s, Mr. Adachi bought the best Gibson guitar he could find. The family did the same thing with Fender a decade later. These guitars serve as "master" guitars, which still hang on the wall of the Tokai factory up to this day. All Tokai guitars are built to the specs of these master guitars.
2.) When Tokai was threatened with lawsuits from the big companies, they kept all the wood in the factory. Those aged in storage. When they resumed making Fender copies three years ago, those were the same wood that were used. I consider the people who bought their Tokais from Lyric back in 2010 lucky, as those were the guitars from the 2009 batch.
3.) Mr. Adachi never meant to copy Gibson and Fender, but rather instill Japanese production methods for utmost quality to surpass American standards.
..at the end of the day, whatever guitar, whichever, suites your taste is the guitar that is...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:14:14 AM
i know somebody who is a person in direct contact with Tokai, I would like to share the following:
1.) In the late 50s and early 60s, Mr. Adachi bought the best Gibson guitar he could find. The family did the same thing with Fender a decade later. These guitars serve as "master" guitars, which still hang on the wall of the Tokai factory up to this day. All Tokai guitars are built to the specs of these master guitars.
(I seriously doubt that there was a 50s or early 60s Gibson Les Paul with a two piece mahogany body that Tokai has on most of the lower end models, so I think built to specs is limited to certain models and I don't know which one. If I compare my Gil Yaron to Tokai, malayo ang itsura, shape and feel. But the bad part is a lot of the tokais sound as bad as their Gibson counterparts.)
2.) When Tokai was threatened with lawsuits from the big companies, they kept all the wood in the factory. Those aged in storage. When they resumed making Fender copies three years ago, those were the same wood that were used. I consider the people who bought their Tokais from Lyric back in 2010 lucky, as those were the guitars from the 2009 batch.
(Just to clarify, the most of the Tokai guitars at Lyric sound dead. May isang exception na maganda but even on Arie's Tokai which he believes Tokai used a good batch of wood, walang sinabi sa tunog ng kahoy ng Fender Custom Shop Telecaster ko. And suppose to be aged na ang kahoy ng gitara ni Arie sa kakagamit. Just to clarify, I consider these more as exceptions than the rule.)
3.) Mr. Adachi never meant to copy Gibson and Fender, but rather instill Japanese production methods for utmost quality to surpass American standards.
(I don't think Tokai ever surpassed American Standards noong 50s and I don't think they surpass quality ng Custom Shop today.)
..at the end of the day, whatever guitar, whichever, suites your taste is the guitar that is...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Freak on March 25, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
Quote
..at the end of the day, whatever guitar, whichever, suites your taste is the guitar that is...
nuff said... end of discussion
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 25, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Can "magic" be heard? What does "magic" do to the person wielding the guitar? Is it quantifiable? If us lesser beings aren't able to quantify "magic" are we doomed to bad sounding gear forever? Should we not even try? Please clarify because you keep mentioning the term.
Oh, another thing. I asked this question in another thread but you never got back to me, what's your favorite recorded guitar tone? So us plebeians can try and aim for something.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gnarly on March 25, 2012, 12:58:18 PM
i'm gassing for a tokai lp pero i chose 2 epiphone guitars over a single guitar. no regrets though but someday i'd like to buy an mij guitar.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: IncX on March 25, 2012, 01:00:10 PM
when i was in elementary... i had this classmate who was always "kuya owen this and kuya owen that"
at first i believed him, cause hey, this 'kuya owen' guy really knows his stuff... so it came to a point where this classmate knows a lot of things because he always has 'kuya owen' in his side. it went on and on, until it became ridiculous.
im sorry, but 'arie' is beginning to sound like kuya owen to me.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gutz_3110 on March 25, 2012, 01:21:16 PM
when i was in elementary... i had this classmate who was always "kuya owen this and kuya owen that"
at first i believed him, cause hey, this 'kuya owen' guy really knows his stuff... so it came to a point where this classmate knows a lot of things because he always has 'kuya owen' in his side. it went on and on, until it became ridiculous.
im sorry, but 'arie' is beginning to sound like kuya owen to me.
I can also compare to micsis if you want but... I am NOT doing that because Arie is humble enough to admit if something or someone is better than him. So I think, you have NOT tried Arie as a luthier and you are missing a lot.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
No offense but, we all know that you can't play. How do you know that a specific guitar *sounds great* when you can't even make "music" with them?
How do you test guitars? What do you play?
Hmmmm. Let me see, ears?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gainsucker on March 25, 2012, 03:38:08 PM
mauuwi na naman to sa Tone Vs Skills :eek:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. But seriously, I believe that practical application plays a big part in determining the sound quality of a music instrument.
Ears? Why thank you, captain obvious. But there's more to it than that. Firemodel claims that he can hear better than us. I respect that. But how does he know that the instrument will sound great in a musical context? Whenever he raves about something, he never mentions what style of music he played , if he even played music in the first place. To me, that makes his reviews practically useless.
For example, I've played this particular semi-hollow guitar strung with thomastik flat wounds. It sounded great playing jazz but with blues and rock, it was meh. There's also this guitar that sounded great by playing single note runs, but sounded a bit muddy with chords. You get what I'm saying?
I'd rather hear a musician raving about decent gear than someone who owns great gear but can't even make music. Scott Henderson is a great example. He has great ears AND great skills. He's experienced different kinds of music. I don't mind him saying that my guitar sounds bad. But Firemodel on the other hand...
Firemodel has great ears, but he can't play. I don't mind him sharing his gear experiences but I expect him to be humble about it. Saying MIJ guitars suck while he can't even play is hilarious.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: page8six.... on March 25, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
OT:
this will be locked ,then TS will make another bash the non US-made gears Thread, then it will be locked, then TS will make another bash the non-US made gears Thread. , then it will be locked, then TS will make another bash the non-US made gears Tread. then it will be locked, its just like energizer bunny.. it keeps on going and going and going and going and going .................................
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 04:04:47 PM
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. But seriously, I believe that practical application plays a big part in determining the sound quality of a music instrument.
Ears? Why thank you, captain obvious. But there's more to it than that. Firemodel claims that he can hear better than us. I respect that. But how does he know that the instrument will sound great in a musical context? Whenever he raves about something, he never mentions what style of music he played , if he even played music in the first place. To me, that makes his reviews practically useless.
For example, I've played this particular semi-hollow guitar strung with thomastik flat wounds. It sounded great playing jazz but with blues and rock, it was meh. There's also this guitar that sounded great by playing single note runs, but sounded a bit muddy with chords. You get what I'm saying?
I'd rather hear a musician raving about gear than someone who even can't make music. Scott Henderson is a great example. He has great ears AND great skills. He's experienced different kinds of music. I don't mind him saying that my guitar sounds bad. But Firemodel on the other hand...
Firemodel has great ears, but he can't play. I don't mind him sharing his gear experiences but I expect him to be humble about it. Saying MIJ guitars suck while he can't even play is hilarious.
keep it cool na lang kapatid, we all know what Firemodel can do and can't do.
Hayaan na lang natin na sabihin nya ang sasabihin nya and it's up to us na lang kung maniniwala tayo or hindi. Marami rin naman dito sa Philmusic na mas-credible at masmadali pakisamahan... he thinks MIJ sucks, well I think he sucks. Simple lang di ba?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: IncX on March 25, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
I can also compare to micsis if you want but... I am NOT doing that because Arie is humble enough to admit if something or someone is better than him. So I think, you have NOT tried Arie as a luthier and you are missing a lot.
it would be cool if you'd get the opinion of someone who gigs regularly or has released countless albums and has gotten into a lot of live situations to say "this guitar is a must have" ...
what i noticed with gigging musicians is that they use the good ones on the studio and the OK ones onstage ... IMO, it speaks a lot because it is saying "tone matters - but not that much"
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 04:08:34 PM
Dont worry, I'm cool. :wave:
Just stating my opinions regarding his outlook in gear and music.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: page8six.... on March 25, 2012, 04:09:41 PM
keep it cool na lang kapatid, we all know what Firemodel can do and can't do.
Hayaan na lang natin na sabihin nya ang sasabihin nya and it's up to us na lang kung maniniwala tayo or hindi. Marami rin naman dito sa Philmusic na mas-credible at masmadali pakisamahan... he thinks MIJ sucks, well I think he sucks. Simple lang di ba?
Bad bad bad boy :lol:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 04:16:39 PM
what i noticed with gigging musicians is that they use the good ones on the studio and the OK ones onstage ...
+1 this is true though i'd also add that there are pieces of gear that SHINE in the studio and sound great on stage and vice versa. i find that relying on stellar qualities to pop out on stage is tougher than when you are in a controlled environment like a studio. when you are in a band context everything changes because you are competing for volume and frequencies and ANY gigging musician can support this fact; what could work well in a studio might not cut it live for one reason or another.
i like my instruments and i am particular about my gear so i use what feels "right" and reliable to me when in a gigging situation. when you are playing sets, travelling and putting a piece of gear through the rigor of gigs every night -the usage WILL take its toll and some instruments handle this better than others. what might sound great in a studio might not handle being dragged through -10 degree weather on the east coast so i HAVE to find a suitable replacement that feels great and can get the job done. for years i loved gigging with vintage instruments but they just became WAY too temperamental, especially in the winter or summer when going to the deep south where humidity will make the necks warp like crazy.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: juan_alderete on March 25, 2012, 04:44:08 PM
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Chum on March 25, 2012, 06:25:49 PM
Hmmm very interesting observations Alex...
I would qualify though... Some Springy Sounds from Tokai (we are talking 1978-1982) are very well made, and play and sound really great. My main strat is a Springy Sound with the U-stamped pickups... Its not an exact copy of the Fender though, but I play it for what it is, a good guitar, made by Tokai...
But I would also be quite wary: just because a guitar is stamped Made in Japan or Crafted in Japan does not guaranty that you will get a good one... For a would-be buyer, do your homework and research first before spending...
As for the local luthiers: I think Alex you should at least try a few of the locals... Mike, Jon, Arie: all good guys, and very passionate about their craft...
Just my two cents anyway :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 06:28:18 PM
I would qualify though... Some Springy Sounds from Tokai (we are talking 1978-1982) are very well made, and play and sound really great. My main strat is a Springy Sound with the U-stamped pickups... Its not an exact copy of the Fender though, but I play it for what it is, a good guitar, made by Tokai...
But I would also be quite wary: just because a guitar is stamped Made in Japan or Crafted in Japan does not guaranty that you will get a good one... For a would-be buyer, do your homework and research first before spending...
Just my two cents anyway :-D
By the way, I loved my Tokai Strat. It was a Springy Sound but unfortunately it fell short of my Suhr Vintage Strat. Chum, if you want and ever have the opportunity to have some money to buy a new guitar, I can go with you to help you select a good one -- assuming its available. If its not, I flatly say to you NOT to buy.
P.S. As much as I want to try them, Arie is the number 1 guy and the irony is at the level of my guitars -- they do NOT need servicing at all. Its always just about changing electronics and hardware. And the best fun I have with Arie is driving him nuts about the character of EVERY GUITAR I BUY.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 06:31:33 PM
Can "magic" be heard? What does "magic" do to the person wielding the guitar? Is it quantifiable? If us lesser beings aren't able to quantify "magic" are we doomed to bad sounding gear forever? Should we not even try? Please clarify because you keep mentioning the term.
Oh, another thing. I asked this question in another thread but you never got back to me, what's your favorite recorded guitar tone? So us plebeians can try and aim for something.
1. Magic can be heard. 2. A magical guitar stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead. 3. Yes you are doomed not because you aren't able to quantify but because there are so few magical instruments. 4. I encourage trial because thats how I learnt but if you want to take the short cuts, I am just a call away. 5. I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
No offense but, we all know that you can't play. How do you know that a specific guitar *sounds great* when you can't even make "music" with them?
How do you test guitars? What do you play?
Its hard to explain, its just talent. I can't play because I choose NOT to play. Since I am just a hobbyist and I have plenty of other things to do, I just do guitar for fun.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing the guy or anything. But seriously, I believe that practical application plays a big part in determining the sound quality of a music instrument.
Ears? Why thank you, captain obvious. But there's more to it than that. Firemodel claims that he can hear better than us. I respect that. But how does he know that the instrument will sound great in a musical context? Whenever he raves about something, he never mentions what style of music he played , if he even played music in the first place. To me, that makes his reviews practically useless.
For example, I've played this particular semi-hollow guitar strung with thomastik flat wounds. It sounded great playing jazz but with blues and rock, it was meh. There's also this guitar that sounded great by playing single note runs, but sounded a bit muddy with chords. You get what I'm saying?
I'd rather hear a musician raving about decent gear than someone who owns great gear but can't even make music. Scott Henderson is a great example. He has great ears AND great skills. He's experienced different kinds of music. I don't mind him saying that my guitar sounds bad. But Firemodel on the other hand...
Firemodel has great ears, but he can't play. I don't mind him sharing his gear experiences but I expect him to be humble about it. Saying MIJ guitars suck while he can't even play is hilarious.
Unfortunately, 95% of what Fender sends out is crap. I think they produce 10,000 guitars a day worldwide. So thats about 300,000 bad sounding guitars a year. And guess what? Who buys all of that crap? Gigging musicians.
Ohh believe the truly magical instruments in a magical setup can punch thru anything and will rise above the rest of the band.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Bolt Thrower on March 25, 2012, 06:37:05 PM
ganyan naman yang mga ibang umeepal pag thread ni firemodel. balat sibuyas. pilit binabalik yung tone vs skill or gear vs talent. when in fact lagi lang naman tone and gear ang usapan.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: teleclem on March 25, 2012, 06:55:06 PM
music itself is magic but someone has to do the spell :)...a magic wand cannot do magic by itself, likewise an ordinary man wielding a magic wand cannot do magic without the knowledge of magical spells...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: bryvincent on March 25, 2012, 07:32:29 PM
Unfortunately, 95% of what Fender sends out is crap. I think they produce 10,000 guitars a day worldwide. So thats about 300,000 bad sounding guitars a year. And guess what? Who buys all of that crap? Gigging musicians.
Ohh believe the truly magical instruments in a magical setup can punch thru anything and will rise above the rest of the band.
:? so where did you get that 95% figure??? sabihin mo na lang "most of what you played are crap" or something like that, not coming up with percentage figures out of nowhere...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 07:35:04 PM
ganyan naman yang mga ibang umeepal pag thread ni firemodel. balat sibuyas. pilit binabalik yung tone vs skill or gear vs talent. when in fact lagi lang naman tone and gear ang usapan.
You're referring to me? I believe I was raising a valid point. I like looking at the bigger picture. Saan ba ginagamit ang tone and gear? Sa music di ba?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
Its hard to explain, its just talent. I can't play because I choose NOT to play. Since I am just a hobbyist and I have plenty of other things to do, I just do guitar for fun.
Okay, point taken. Talent it is.
Kinda hard to write firemodel and talent in the same sentence though.
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 25, 2012, 07:40:03 PM
I love this Xzibit meme and it was the first pic that came to mind when I read the quote. I couldn't resist and I was laughing my @ss off because of the combo. Carry on. (http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8366/xzibitohexploitablecopy.jpg)
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Post by: stratboy on March 25, 2012, 08:25:32 PM
I love this Xzibit meme and it was the first pic that came to mind when I read the quote. I couldn't resist and I was laughing my @ss off because of the combo. Carry on. (http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8366/xzibitohexploitablecopy.jpg)
Aren't you suppose to be off to some gig? I guess they did not let you play... just joking.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 08:35:06 PM
it would be cool if you'd get the opinion of someone who gigs regularly or has released countless albums and has gotten into a lot of live situations to say "this guitar is a must have" ...
what i noticed with gigging musicians is that they use the good ones on the studio and the OK ones onstage ... IMO, it speaks a lot because it is saying "tone matters - but not that much"
Eh bakit gamit ni SRV ang No.1 niya on stage? Eh Bakit si Kirk Hammet Gumagamit ng Gibson na Historic on stage kasama ng dami ng ESP na dala niya? Nakita mo ba si Eric Johnson na Live in Austin Texas, di ba dala niya ang vintage Strat niya? Eh Bakit si Steve Vai gamit pa rin sa stage ang kanyang FLO at EVO? Ito lang masasabi ko, ang mga taong mas in touch sa equipment at alam na iyon ang pinaka importanteng hahawakan nila at maririnig ng audience nila ay dinadala ang 'good' ones onstage.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 08:35:49 PM
keep it cool na lang kapatid, we all know what Firemodel can do and can't do.
Hayaan na lang natin na sabihin nya ang sasabihin nya and it's up to us na lang kung maniniwala tayo or hindi. Marami rin naman dito sa Philmusic na mas-credible at masmadali pakisamahan... he thinks MIJ sucks, well I think he sucks. Simple lang di ba?
Simple lang nga. Pero palagay ko mas tama ako kaysa sa iyo and I can prove it.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 25, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
1. Magic can be heard. 2. A magical card stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead. 3. Yes you are doomed not because you aren't able to quantify but because there are so few magical instruments. 4. I encourage trial because thats how I learnt but if you want to take the short cuts, I am just a call away. 5. I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record.
What if a band uses your set-up to record an album, can it be heard then? Or can't the recording equipment pick up "magic" as well? If not, then why bother paying an exorbitant amount of money if all your doing is noodling around with it in your living room.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 08:49:20 PM
:? so where did you get that 95% figure??? sabihin mo na lang "most of what you played are crap" or something like that, not coming up with percentage figures out of nowhere...
Ask Ed Yoon formerly of Suhr Guitars who was assigned quality control at Fender. And my experience out of 20 American Standards at Perfect Pitch Buendia on the onset of the arrival of their new batch only one sounded killer -- for two consecutive years. The first one I sold to geo (becasue my Suhr Strat was way way higher on the killer scale) and the second one went to my brother in law which means if you don't believe I can pick out a great Fender just compare yours against the American Standard Strat I picked off the rack. Also, I feel that Custom Shop Fenders have a better rate but not really much, I just picked a killer Sounding Tele Custom Shop among 15 other Custom Shop Teles at Matt Umanov and we all agreed it was the best sounding one that had character and was really responsive not to mention its beautiful sounding midrange. So, naka test ka na ba anywhere ng 15 custom shops Teles at one time?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
What if a band uses your set-up to record an album, can it be heard then? Or can't the recording equipment pick up "magic" as well? If not, then why bother paying an exorbitant amount of money if all your doing is noodling around with it in your living room.
Depends if they are deaf. Kung panay multi FX lang di wala rin. I guess it depends on the recording equipment but most of the magic happens to you and the sound coming out of your set up. So, I don't give a damn about recording equipment. Its the engineers job to find some way to capture it. Actually, somebody told me that may set up is ENOUGH to crush every bar in Manila. I can if I want to beat the drums in terms of loudness and can really fill the room with great sounding guitar. But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 09:06:20 PM
Depends if they are deaf. Kung panay multi FX lang di wala rin. I guess it depends on the recording equipment but most of the magic happens to you and the sound coming out of your set up. So, I don't give a damn about recording equipment. Its the engineers job to find some way to capture it. Actually, somebody told me that may set up is ENOUGH to crush every bar in Manila. I can if I want to beat the drums in terms of loudness and can really fill the room with great sounding guitar. But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year.
Such immaturity. After reading this, I realized that it's pointless to argue with firemodel55.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: bryvincent on March 25, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
Ask Ed Yoon formerly of Suhr Guitars who was assigned quality control at Fender. And my experience out of 20 American Standards at Perfect Pitch Buendia on the onset of the arrival of their new batch only one sounded killer -- for two consecutive years. The first one I sold to geo (becasue my Suhr Strat was way way higher on the killer scale) and the second one went to my brother in law which means if you don't believe I can pick out a great Fender just compare yours against the American Standard Strat I picked off the rack. Also, I feel that Custom Shop Fenders have a better rate but not really much, I just picked a killer Sounding Tele Custom Shop among 15 other Custom Shop Teles at Matt Umanov and we all agreed it was the best sounding one that had character and was really responsive not to mention its beautiful sounding midrange. So, naka test ka na ba anywhere ng 15 custom shops Teles at one time?
so thats 95% of what you played not all fenders. i don't know why you make these generalizations about what or what is not a crappy guitar as tone and feel of a guitar is subjective. i don't care how many (expensive)guitars you tested and own, just be humble na lang at wag laitin ang gamit ng iba. if you think MIJ sucks, keep it to your self na lang. maybe MIJ works for them so whats the problem? and even if everyone agrees with you not everyone can afford expensive guitars anyway. besides it is more rewarding to find a less expensive killer guitar than one you spent loads of money on.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 09:17:43 PM
Eh bakit gamit ni SRV ang No.1 niya on stage? Eh Bakit si Kirk Hammet Gumagamit ng Gibson na Historic on stage kasama ng dami ng ESP na dala niya? Nakita mo ba si Eric Johnson na Live in Austin Texas, di ba dala niya ang vintage Strat niya? Eh Bakit si Steve Vai gamit pa rin sa stage ang kanyang FLO at EVO? Ito lang masasabi ko, ang mga taong mas in touch sa equipment at alam na iyon ang pinaka importanteng hahawakan nila at maririnig ng audience nila ay dinadala ang 'good' ones onstage.
sir diba karaniwan naman ng gamit ng mga magagaling na artist e multi fx....like si Petrucci naka multi fx siya lagi...may nakasatellite lang siya na board pero most of his tone galing sa multi....
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: bryvincent on March 25, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
Such immaturity. After reading this, I realized that it's pointless to argue with firemodel55.
+1. that shows that he doesn't really play. once you started gigging, its hard to quit. hahanap-hanapin mo yan. iba ang feeling ng tumutugtog ng live. it doesn't matter kung kikita ka ng pera o sisikat ka or anything.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: page8six.... on March 25, 2012, 09:31:02 PM
TS: ok opinion mo yan ,kami na bahala kung tatanggapin namin yan o hindi.
basta Tone is subjective!!
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Gep on March 25, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
Opinion niya yun. He gets a kick out of collecting gear.
Parang photography scene yan e. Hindi dahil may nakasukbit sayong mahal na camera, photographer ka na.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 09:39:44 PM
+1. that shows that he doesn't really play. once you started gigging, its hard to quit. hahanap-hanapin mo yan. iba ang feeling ng tumutugtog ng live. it doesn't matter kung kikita ka ng pera o sisikat ka or anything.
True. Me and a lot of musicians really enjoy playing live. Of course, money is also important, but to me the most essential thing is the feeling I get when making music. And kahit hindi ganun kalaki ang pera, I'd still prefer it over a job that pays big pero hindi ko naman na eenjoy.
Sorry firemodel55, you don't know what you're saying. It's funny how you can make a bold statement like that when you don't even have the experience. And FYI, majority of famous artists started out with gigging.
Unfortunately, 95% of what Fender sends out is crap. I think they produce 10,000 guitars a day worldwide. So thats about 300,000 bad sounding guitars a year. And guess what? Who buys all of that crap? Gigging musicians.
Ohh believe the truly magical instruments in a magical setup can punch thru anything and will rise above the rest of the band.
sir im thinking na natest mo lahat ng na produce na gitara ng fender kaya mo nasabi na 95% na gawa nila is crap so im thinking na 10,000 guitars ang natest mo everyday and 3,650,000 guitar a year ang natest mo kaya mo na conclude na 300,000 ang bad sounding nila... kasi kung hindi ibig sabihin e hinulaan mo lang yan.. :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 10:01:00 PM
sir im thinking na natest mo lahat ng na produce na gitara ng fender kaya mo nasabi na 95% na gawa nila is crap so im thinking na 10,000 guitars ang natest mo everyday and 3,650,000 guitar a year ang natest mo kaya mo na conclude na 300,000 ang bad sounding nila... kasi kung hindi ibig sabihin e hinulaan mo lang yan.. :-D :-D :-D
Possible yan sir, whale bends lang naman ang gagawin kapag mag-test ng guitar. Kung walang hiyaw tapon na. Kapag napaganda ang bend at humiyaw... yon kasama na sa 5%. So yes possible na ma-test nya yung mga gitara na yon.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 25, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Possible yan sir, whale bends lang naman ang gagawin kapag mag-test ng guitar. Kung walang hiyaw tapon na. Kapag napaganda ang bend at humiyaw... yon kasama na sa 5%. So yes possible na ma-test nya yung mga gitara na yon.
ganun sir swerte naman nya nahawakan nya lahat ng gawa ng fender at na test pa so ibig sabihin yung MIC ko na tele ay natest at nahawakan nya at kasama sa itinapon.. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 10:09:47 PM
ganun sir swerte naman nya nahawakan nya lahat ng gawa ng fender at na test pa so ibig sabihin yung MIC ko na tele ay natest at nahawakan nya at kasama sa itinapon.. :eek: :eek: :eek:
MIC ba sir? Sorry sir pero tapon na yan kasi MIJ pa lang tapon na eh... MIA lang sir ang papasa sorry talaga. Kahit din naman yung Made in Vietnam or Made in Korea tapon na rin...
Yup sir ganun sya kaswerte... talent nga di ba? sabi nya...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
Wala naman ako kailangan patunayan sa iyo, eh. Let me put it this way (and this is NOT an arguement):
Either
a) I am such a God Damn Son of a Bitch who brags a lot and knows nothing about tone. THEN you have nothing to lose.
OR
b) I am telling the truth and I can prove it. AND THEN you gain from my exposure AND Talent.
So beyond whether I am immature or mature, I think its quite obvious what the right choice is.
Wala rin naman talaga akong hinihingi sa'yo. Wala ka rin kailangan patunayan sa akin. I don't think I have anything to gain from your exposure because ,like I said earlier, I prefer to talk about tone and gear with someone who makes music. I just find your posts amusing and I can't resist to comment. :wave:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
so thats 95% of what you played not all fenders. i don't know why you make these generalizations about what or what is not a crappy guitar as tone and feel of a guitar is subjective. i don't care how many (expensive)guitars you tested and own, just be humble na lang at wag laitin ang gamit ng iba. if you think MIJ sucks, keep it to your self na lang. maybe MIJ works for them so whats the problem? and even if everyone agrees with you not everyone can afford expensive guitars anyway. besides it is more rewarding to find a less expensive killer guitar than one you spent loads of money on.
So, ikaw nga ba ang MTRCB? Iyan ang problema kasi ng bayan natin, mga sensitive at ayaw umamin. Please read my first post again. I have said NOT ONLY NOW BUT EVEN BEFORE that Japanese guitars are preferable to quite a number of USA made guitars and definitely worth choosing over ASEAN, China and India made guitars. BUT they do NOT hold a candle to great sounding USA made guitars by luthiers and other custom shops of established brands. --- BAKIT MO BA HINDI MATANGGAP and OPINION ko? At mas gusto mo pa maging tahimik ako? Anong gusto mo gumaya ako sa iba na tatahimik lang maski na MALI? Kaya ganito ang bayan natin dahil hindi marunong ipaglaban ang katotohanan at panay pantasya lang ang mithi.
Teka ang 95% figure ay galing dating taga Fender QA.
More rewarding for who? Your EGO? Ang punto ko para huwag mo na basahin uli ay -- ang magandang cheap na gitara ay hindi pareho ng magandang mahal na gitara.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:28:43 PM
+1. that shows that he doesn't really play. once you started gigging, its hard to quit. hahanap-hanapin mo yan. iba ang feeling ng tumutugtog ng live. it doesn't matter kung kikita ka ng pera o sisikat ka or anything.
Eh lifestyle ka pala. Pinaguusapan ko tone.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:33:50 PM
(MIJ nga which I think does not sound as good as his Charvel na Made in the USA (Joke lang). Baka hindi mo alam na marami siyang USA guitars at binabayaran siya ng Ibanez para gamitin ang tatak. I think my point was that NOT all artists use their 2nd tier equipment live and the ones that use their Number 1s have better ears.)
sir diba karaniwan naman ng gamit ng mga magagaling na artist e multi fx....like si Petrucci naka multi fx siya lagi...may nakasatellite lang siya na board pero most of his tone galing sa multi....
(Ah teka... kung natatandaan mo nakilala si Petrucci sa Mark IIC+ niya noong nagsimula siya. At ang multi ay switched out kung hindi kailangan. Tingnan mo, high end na rack multi fx iyan at kailangan pa i-switch out kung hindi kailangan.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:36:30 PM
True. Me and a lot of musicians really enjoy playing live. Of course, money is also important, but to me the most essential thing is the feeling I get when making music. And kahit hindi ganun kalaki ang pera, I'd still prefer it over a job that pays big pero hindi ko naman na eenjoy.
(+1 Agree ako with you on this.)
Sorry firemodel55, you don't know what you're saying. It's funny how you can make a bold statement like that when you don't even have the experience. And FYI, majority of famous artists started out with gigging.
(Talaga I don't know what I am saying? Why don't you come over and listen?)
baka hindi ka lang gwapo
(Hindi nga. Tingnan ko mas panget ka dahil kailangan mo mag-gig. Mga guwapo hindi na kailangan mag gitara at mag gig pa. Joke lang. But seriously, come over with your favorite guitar and try out the stuff.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:37:10 PM
sir im thinking na natest mo lahat ng na produce na gitara ng fender kaya mo nasabi na 95% na gawa nila is crap so im thinking na 10,000 guitars ang natest mo everyday and 3,650,000 guitar a year ang natest mo kaya mo na conclude na 300,000 ang bad sounding nila... kasi kung hindi ibig sabihin e hinulaan mo lang yan.. :-D :-D :-D
Oo nga mali ang math ko. It should be about 3.6MM guitars. But I really read somewhere that daily output of Fender is around 10000 guitars world wide... Let me check. Or was it a month?
I stand corrected. The estimated range is between 200k to 500k guitars a year for Fender across all brands and countries of manufacture. Still, assuming 300k guitars a year. Around 285k sounding bad ones go to newbees and gigging musicians. Thats the reality of the guitar business because the killer sounding guitars are really rare. Hey Nong, I am not gonna mince words. We can bring my Fender Custom Shop Tele and my Suhr Strat and go around to all fender dealers in Manila and try out all guitars and check to see if any can beat my guitars. Kung mayroon. I will buy it on the spot (But Not for you but for ME) -- No questions asked.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
Possible yan sir, whale bends lang naman ang gagawin kapag mag-test ng guitar. Kung walang hiyaw tapon na. Kapag napaganda ang bend at humiyaw... yon kasama na sa 5%. So yes possible na ma-test nya yung mga gitara na yon.
As I said before, it is the best indicator short of trial and error and buying and selling (flipping). By the way, my guitars with hiyaw ALL exhibit the other desirable sonic and reactive qualities in a guitar. And I am pretty good at it.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
As I said before, it is the best indicator short of trial and error and buying and selling (flipping). By the way, my guitars with hiyaw ALL exhibit the other desirable sonic and reactive qualities in a guitar. And I am pretty good at it.
Oo nga mali ang math ko. It should be about 3.6MM guitars. But I really read somewhere that daily output of Fender is around 10000 guitars world wide... Let me check. Or was it a month?
I stand corrected. The estimated range is between 200k to 500k guitars a year for Fender across all brands and countries of manufacture. Still, assuming 300k guitars a year. Around 285k sounding bad ones go to newbees and gigging musicians. Thats the reality of the guitar business because the killer sounding guitars are really rare. Hey Nong, I am not gonna mince words. We can bring my Fender Custom Shop Tele and my Suhr Strat and go around to all fender dealers and try out all guitars and check to see if any can beat my guitars. Kung mayroon. I will buy it on the spot (But Not for you but for ME) -- No questions asked.
Pero ano ba ibig sabihin mo dito, I dont mind the newbies kasi dumaan din ako don and it's part of the learning process...
pero gigging musicians? teka lang sumusobra ka na yata...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 10:59:16 PM
Wala rin naman talaga akong hinihingi sa'yo. Wala ka rin kailangan patunayan sa akin. I don't think I have anything to gain from your exposure because ,like I said earlier, I prefer to talk about tone and gear with someone who makes music. I just find your posts amusing and I can't resist to comment. :wave:
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 25, 2012, 11:01:13 PM
When I was comparing MIJ to MIA, I was not talking about a lifestyle. Now, its you who brought up the gigging musician thing so I replied.
Nope, wasn't me. It was you.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: nathanmanansala on March 25, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
nothing off-the-rack ever seems to be as good as advertised. you just end up buying what seems to have potential then mod it to something you could use. then move on to the next most immediate itch.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:02:36 PM
Pero ano ba ibig sabihin mo dito, I dont mind the newbies kasi dumaan din ako don and it's part of the learning process...
pero gigging musicians? teka lang sumusobra ka na yata...
At bakit? Totoo naman maraming gigging musicians ang panget na tunog sa opinion ko. Iyan na naman ang gigging musician ay mas magaling. Parang hindi kay nag graduate sa recording artist. Sana man kung recording artist ka ngayon, bumebenta ka sana kasi mga Pinoy hindi marunong bumili ng legal na CD para pakainin ka.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
nothing off-the-rack ever send to be as good as advertised. you just end up buying what seems to have potential then mod it to something you could use. then move on to the next most immediate itch.
+1. I think I have been trying to find more affordable stuff that tries to deliver killer tone pero parating may mga price floor. I think the Fender USA stuff is worth wasting your time on. May mga jems.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
ganun sir swerte naman nya nahawakan nya lahat ng gawa ng fender at na test pa so ibig sabihin yung MIC ko na tele ay natest at nahawakan nya at kasama sa itinapon.. :eek: :eek: :eek:
Why don't you bring it over and test? I mean baka naman may magandang China na papasa sa akin.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: bryvincent on March 25, 2012, 11:16:53 PM
So, ikaw nga ba ang MTRCB? Iyan ang problema kasi ng bayan natin, mga sensitive at ayaw umamin. Please read my first post again. I have said NOT ONLY NOW BUT EVEN BEFORE that Japanese guitars are preferable to quite a number of USA made guitars and definitely worth choosing over ASEAN, China and India made guitars. BUT they do NOT hold a candle to great sounding USA made guitars by luthiers and other custom shops of established brands. --- BAKIT MO BA HINDI MATANGGAP and OPINION ko? At mas gusto mo pa maging tahimik ako? Anong gusto mo gumaya ako sa iba na tatahimik lang maski na MALI? Kaya ganito ang bayan natin dahil hindi marunong ipaglaban ang katotohanan at panay pantasya lang ang mithi.
Teka ang 95% figure ay galing dating taga Fender QA.
More rewarding for who? Your EGO? Ang punto ko para huwag mo na basahin uli ay -- ang magandang cheap na gitara ay hindi pareho ng magandang mahal na gitara.
hindi lahat ng opinion ay tama. at hindi lahat ng opinion(lalo na galing sa yo) ay kailangang tanggapin. ikaw nga tong hindi makatanggap na puwede ring tumunog ng maganda ang mas murang mga gitara. mas mahirap sigurong hanapin pero possible.
nag-makabayan ka pa eh puro made in USA naman gusto mo..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 25, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
Sige na sige na.. Panget na tone/taste/quality naming mga gigging musician.. Ok lang yun, dito kami nabubuhay pati na rin para sa pamilya namin. Pero nageenjoy kami, napapasaya namin mga guests namin kahit mga kano. PASSION.
At isa pa, mahirap habulin ang isang bagay na nasa isip mo lang at ikaw lang ang nakakakita..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:18:46 PM
Ok guys I know that money is NOT easy to come by nowadays and I understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately, the USA made stuff is getting better because I guess times are harder in the USA now so the guitar companies really have to offer products that deserve the weaker spending power of the American consumer. Is it better than the stuff coming out of Japan? By far, yes(with exceptions of course). Is it affordable? Its more affordable now given the weak USA currency. But you still have to go thru the USA made stuff.
As I said before, if you don't have a USA or European made option by a well known Brand, Japanese is the way to go and NOT anything lower for me. (Pero pag dating sa amps, nothing lower than American made boutique for me.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: jimy james on March 25, 2012, 11:21:29 PM
Sige na sige na.. Panget na tone/taste/quality naming mga gigging musician.. Ok lang yun, dito kami nabubuhay pati na rin para sa pamilya namin. Pero nageenjoy kami, napapasaya namin mga guests namin kahit mga kano. PASSION.
At isa pa, mahirap habulin ang isang bagay na nasa isip mo lang at ikaw lang ang nakakakita..
Teka... may mga ibang gigging musician na ok ang tone rin kaso kaunti lang sila. Good for you kung nabubuhay kayo diyan at least as you said enjoy kayo at napapa enjoy niya mga guests niyo ... pero for how long?
May PASSION rin ako pero na-realize ko from the start na not enough maging gigging musician para bigyan ng magandang standard ng pamumuhay ang pamilya kasi hindi ako kasing galing niyo. Iyon lang po.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:24:56 PM
hindi lahat ng opinion ay tama. at hindi lahat ng opinion(lalo na galing sa yo) ay kailangang tanggapin. ikaw nga tong hindi makatanggap na puwede ring tumunog ng maganda ang mas murang mga gitara. mas mahirap sigurong hanapin pero possible.
(Sorry to say Nope at least according to my standards.)
nag-makabayan ka pa eh puro made in USA naman gusto mo.. (So? Siguro majority ng tugtog mo made in USA rin at pinagkakakitaan mo pa.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 25, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
At bakit? Totoo naman maraming gigging musicians ang panget na tunog sa opinion ko. Iyan na naman ang gigging musician ay mas magaling. Parang hindi kay nag graduate sa recording artist. Sana man kung recording artist ka ngayon, bumebenta ka sana kasi mga Pinoy hindi marunong bumili ng legal na CD para pakainin ka.
Chill pare chill.. wala ako sinasabing masmagaling. Siguro sa mga newbies most of their purchases are bad ones, not all but most of them kasi nga newbie pa.
Pero kapag gigging musicians iba na sigurong usapan. Pasensya na rin kung may nasabi ako at maaaring napikon kita... Maaring nabasag ko rin ang trip mo. Dahan-dahan din naman kasi minsan sa pagbitaw ng salita, you can just state why MIA is better than MIJ, or why MICs are inferior without bashing. Seryoso masmarami pa maniniwala sa'yo.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:29:25 PM
Chill pare chill.. wala ako sinasabing masmagaling. Siguro sa mga newbies most of their purchases are bad ones, not all but most of them kasi nga newbie pa.
Pero kapag gigging musicians iba na sigurong usapan. Pasensya na rin kung may nasabi ako at maaaring napikon kita... Maaring nabasag ko rin ang trip mo. Dahan-dahan din naman kasi minsan sa pagbitaw ng salita, you can just state why MIA is better than MIJ, or why MICs are inferior without bashing. Seryoso masmarami pa maniniwala sa'yo.
Ok. Will do.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 25, 2012, 11:34:29 PM
Teka... may mga ibang gigging musician na ok ang tone rin kaso kaunti lang sila. Good for you kung nabubuhay kayo diyan at least as you said enjoy kayo at napapa enjoy niya mga guests niyo ... pero for how long?
LONG ENOUGH TO SEE HOW HUMBLE WE, THE 'GIGGING MUSICIANS', ARE.
I KNOW YOU ARE FILTHY RICH. AND IT IS OUR FAULT THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD SUCH.
BUT PLEASE, DON'T INSULT US. YOUR IMPRESSIONS ARE OF A RICH PERSON, BUT NOT EDUCATED. SORRY.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 25, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
Teka... may mga ibang gigging musician na ok ang tone rin kaso kaunti lang sila. Good for you kung nabubuhay kayo diyan at least as you said enjoy kayo at napapa enjoy niya mga guests niyo ... pero for how long?
May PASSION rin ako pero na-realize ko from the start na not enough maging gigging musician para bigyan ng magandang standard ng pamumuhay ang pamilya kasi hindi ako kasing galing niyo. Iyon lang po. [/quot
Teka... may mga ibang gigging musician na ok ang tone rin kaso kaunti lang sila. Good for you kung nabubuhay kayo diyan at least as you said enjoy kayo at napapa enjoy niya mga guests niyo ... pero for how long?
May PASSION rin ako pero na-realize ko from the start na not enough maging gigging musician para bigyan ng magandang standard ng pamumuhay ang pamilya kasi hindi ako kasing galing niyo. Iyon lang po.
*as long as we're sustaining them with quality music.
*on this sad to say but I agree. HINDI mabubuhay ang musikero dito. Dalawa ang swerteng pwedeng puntahan: ang mag-abroad/byahe o recording artist/label.
Pusa kasi, dati maayos TF ng musicians dito. Eh kups, may mga banda na tumanggap ng mababang TF, ayun nagumpisa na... :(
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 25, 2012, 11:41:42 PM
*as long as we're sustaining them with quality music.
*on this sad to say but I agree. HINDI mabubuhay ang musikero dito. Dalawa ang swerteng pwedeng puntahan: ang mag-abroad/byahe o recording artist/label.
Pusa kasi, dati maayos TF ng musicians dito. Eh kups, may mga banda na tumanggap ng mababang TF, ayun nagumpisa na... :(
I understand. Thats why I believe we should NOT buy pirated and that gate fees should go up for local artists. I mean we should get rid of our mp3 mentality and actually pay our musicians what they require to continue making great music.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 25, 2012, 11:45:01 PM
LONG ENOUGH TO SEE HOW HUMBLE WE, THE 'GIGGING MUSICIANS', ARE.
I KNOW YOU ARE FILTHY RICH. AND IT IS OUR FAULT THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD SUCH.
BUT PLEASE, DON'T INSULT US. YOUR IMPRESSIONS ARE OF A RICH PERSON, BUT NOT EDUCATED. SORRY.
Ito lang naman eh. BOW nga ako kay bossing alex., pero dahan-dahan naman tayo sa pananalita.. Kasi sa halos lahat ng nakilala kong musikero, humble lahat eh..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 25, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I am 42 years old. i play the PASSION. me and my bandmates do this as a hobby. and also have DAY JOBS.
we have regular gigs, paying gigs. enough to to pay utility bills at home. and if us, the GIGGING MUSICIANS like who have only the average ASEAN gear, sound bad, i don't think WE WILL STILL BE HERE DOING THE SAME THING, OVER AND OVER.
so CHOOSE YOUR WORDS and THINK.
i think i wasted enough time here.. good luck guys.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: analog.matt on March 25, 2012, 11:53:53 PM
No offense but, we all know that you can't play. How do you know that a specific guitar *sounds great* when you can't even make "music" with them?
How do you test guitars? What do you play?
with all objectivity,
to question someone's guitar playing can reach discriminatory levels. everyone has the right to play the guitar, kahit chords chords lang or whatever. so i think its not fair to say "we know you can't play".
Alex can play, good enough to enjoy music.
imho, whoever did that video and posted on the net was very unfair. When i saw the video, i watched it with a grain of salt. it was the educated thing to do. And the captured moment in the video was no where near the moment when Alex played Van Halen's Panama in front of me.
wala akong kinakampihan. just clearing things up.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: paul_sigua on March 26, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
to question someone's guitar playing can reach discriminatory levels. everyone has the right to play the guitar, kahit chords chords lang or whatever. so i think its not fair to say "we know you can't play".
Alex can play, good enough to enjoy music.
imho, whoever did that video and posted on the net was very unfair. When i saw the video, i watched it with a grain of salt. it was the educated thing to do. And the captured moment in the video was no where near the moment when Alex played Van Halen's Panama in front of me.
wala akong kinakampihan. just clearing things up.
If firemodel55 was not discriminatory and was being fair with his posts, I would not have posted that.
I do get what you're saying though.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: gyrome on March 26, 2012, 12:05:23 AM
I understand. Thats why I believe we should NOT buy pirated and that gate fees should go up for local artists. I mean we should get rid of our mp3 mentality and actually pay our musicians what they require to continue making great music.
Yan ang masakit na katotohan dito satin.. Isa pang problema sa industriya dito, pag panget ka, wala ka na.. Puros mga pogi at magaganda ang sumisikat ngayon..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: IncX on March 26, 2012, 12:15:33 AM
Eh bakit gamit ni SRV ang No.1 niya on stage? Eh Bakit si Kirk Hammet Gumagamit ng Gibson na Historic on stage kasama ng dami ng ESP na dala niya? Nakita mo ba si Eric Johnson na Live in Austin Texas, di ba dala niya ang vintage Strat niya? Eh Bakit si Steve Vai gamit pa rin sa stage ang kanyang FLO at EVO? Ito lang masasabi ko, ang mga taong mas in touch sa equipment at alam na iyon ang pinaka importanteng hahawakan nila at maririnig ng audience nila ay dinadala ang 'good' ones onstage.
... ewan ko. pero i have never heard those guys share your opinion on guitars
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: pakool on March 26, 2012, 01:02:53 AM
Hindi naman siguro tama na i-diss ang mga gitarang namanufacture sa mga umano'y "developing" countries. Oo nga may sari-sarili tayong opinion, pero parang ang chauvinist ng dating na "US-Made guitars are the best." Maaring humaba pa ang diskurso sa kung ano ang mas magandang gear, kalagayan ng mga kapatid nating musikerong tumutugtog sa mga gig, at iba pa. Basta ang duduluhin nito, e manatili tayong level-headed sa mga opinion.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: orangedreg_2 on March 26, 2012, 01:13:12 AM
Such immaturity. After reading this, I realized that it's pointless to argue with firemodel55.
I am glad i realized that early enough before replying to this thread.. ooops.. but I did reply.. hahahaha
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: royc on March 26, 2012, 01:44:36 AM
Let me get this straight:
1. You started with a subject line that says "Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)" then proceeded to compare a Tokai with a Fender custom shop. Do you honestly believe that it is a fair comparison? Does that give you a bragging right?
I did a quick search for a fender custom shop tele and the first on the list starts at $5,536.00. You are comparing guitars with a $5k price difference. It's like racing with a Ferrari against a vios and bragging that you won.
2. A guitar is a tool to make music. Having the most expensive guitars makes you a collector but unless you can make great music out of it your guitar is nothing. Surely you can afford the most expensive recording studio to record some great music. Why don't you try it?
3. Being a rich kid does not give you the right to insult gigging musicians. A lot of guitar heroes started as gigging musicians in lowly bars. Were it not for these gigging musicians there won't be bars with live bands nor future recording artists.
4. What's the difference between a rich collector like you and a musician? Collectors buy the more expensive guitars. Musicians buy the best guitars that fits their budget. That's why collectors will win most of the time when comparing guitars -- they have the money to burn. You know that. We know that. Why insult musicians for that?
5. Lest you forget this is the online home of the pinoy musician. This is their home. Learn to respect them.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: juan_alderete on March 26, 2012, 03:35:40 AM
its a cycle you know. :-D
ask 'experts'(salesman) which best guitar --> create thread dissing all guitar on the planet ---> receive guitar ---> ask doc for approval ----> created thread dissing all guitars on the planet brag;"i have the best sounding guitar on the planet" ----> forum react ---> reply (see notes) ---> moving on
notes
- happens over and over again w/o providing real proof, recording, videos, actual demo, etc.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 26, 2012, 03:36:08 AM
Aren't you suppose to be off to some gig? I guess they did not let you play... just joking.
funny man over here, you should try stand-up if they let you on. hell, i'd pay to see you.
rest assured, i was all done doing my thing before having my photoshop fun for the evening. all i had was a bass and my RH750, cab was in-house for the evening so tear down was zilch and soundcheck was done earlier so all i had to do was hop in a cab and show up for what i was paid to do. i was booked, showed up and did my job.
not let me play? nah. i was paid already so if they didn't want me in for whatever reason, i'd have gone home and watched more "Breaking Bad" episodes. eitherway, it would have been an @sshole move to not show up and not be considerate of a band needing a hand. besides, as a friend of the band i wasn't going to be a inconsiderate @sshole - no one ever likes the @sshole.
besides, this thread is so much more interesting than hanging out post-gig.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 26, 2012, 04:22:42 AM
Eh bakit gamit ni SRV ang No.1 niya on stage? Eh Bakit si Kirk Hammet Gumagamit ng Gibson na Historic on stage kasama ng dami ng ESP na dala niya? Nakita mo ba si Eric Johnson na Live in Austin Texas, di ba dala niya ang vintage Strat niya? Eh Bakit si Steve Vai gamit pa rin sa stage ang kanyang FLO at EVO? Ito lang masasabi ko, ang mga taong mas in touch sa equipment at alam na iyon ang pinaka importanteng hahawakan nila at maririnig ng audience nila ay dinadala ang 'good' ones onstage.
i'll take a stab at this: 1) SRV had several guitars but #1 was with him the longest and despite being battered to no end, he was most comfortable with it. #1 was not a custom shop strat but was pre-CBS and was subsequently rebuilt over the years. 2) I've seen Kirk over the years live a few times starting with the "Justice" era and he primarily plays ESPs live -like 90-95% of the time because I have seen the guy play a strat, Vs, Jackson Vs and Soloists, a Les Paul and some funky acrylic dan Armstrong guitars. He does switch amps regularly too. 3) for a long time Eric has favored his vintage strat -this is no secret given how much of a tone chaser he is-however vintage gear is temperamental and expensive to maintain so over the years he has favored touring and playing with newer instruments which perform more consistently on the road. in the studio, the dude uses all kinds of guitars -just like any other musician would who has that resource. 4) Vai's FLO and EVO are his main guitars and are customized for his particular style and taste. Last time i saw those guitars up close, they were retrofitted with some weird new fret system to improve intonation. from what i know, he has used those two the longest and uses other guitars here and there depending on what needs to be done.
what these guys do to choose their instruments isn't any different from how other people anywhere around the world would do to choose a guitar that suits them. i am sure they tried a bunch of guitars and picked whichever one felt inspiring and comfortable to play. whether or not these instruments are "magical" is subjective because it is ALSO no secret that people who have tried to play SRV's #1 found it completely unplayable because of the way it was setup; what might have been magical to SRV, was ONLY magical when you put him behind the instrument.
another notable example is Jaco Pastorius' #1 which was showcased by Bass Player magazine and passed around to play by bass playing royalty like Will Lee, Victor Wooten and Stanley Clarke. a great tidbit about this situation was how all three remarked that there was nothing remarkable about Jaco's #1 -it was a stock jazz bass that was absolutely beat up and modified to the tee by jaco because he removed the steel frets with a butter knife and filled the fret slots with boat epoxy to make it fretless. the bass was just a stock jazz bass yet in the hands of Jaco it gained a mythical status that fueled so much curiosity about the bass that people wanted to see if there was something magical about the instrument itself -in the end, the guys said it was no different from any vintage bass you could buy from a store; the magic was Jaco all along, not the bass.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: bryvincent on March 26, 2012, 04:34:13 AM
there was also a story of a guitar tech who got his hands with vai's evo and said it was like lifeless when played unplugged.
and Duane Allman's Hotlanta burst was unplayable to Steve Morse because of the very low action specially for a guitar set-up for slide.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: turiguiliano on March 26, 2012, 05:37:38 AM
read the subject heading -interesting. then i read the guts of the post -let me get this straight: you're comparing a Tokai to a Custom Shop strat then qualify the comparison with a generalized "MIJ sucks" subject heading? last time i checked tokai never had a specialized custom shop.
come on man, the herb you smoke can't be THAT strong.
a) I am such a God Damn Son of a Bitch who brags a lot and knows nothing about tone. THEN you have nothing to lose.
OR
b) I am telling the truth and I can prove it. AND THEN you gain from my exposure AND Talent.
Been there. 8 hours of testing gear with Alex. a- i lost nothing. gained a lot. b-i concur.
Obviously his delivery of his opinions on the forums is the least accepted here. You'll be surprised what this guy knows and CAN prove. I can attest to that. And I have tried a lot.
I don't love the guy. Hated him before. Like hell! So I put myself to the test. I called. I caved. BUT learned a lot.
Alex, easy lang sa delivery :lol:. Tropa lahat yan. Kalat nalang natin ung alam sa acceptable terms ng karamihan = be nice man. lol.
Yan ang masakit na katotohan dito satin.. Isa pang problema sa industriya dito, pag panget ka, wala ka na.. Puros mga pogi at magaganda ang sumisikat ngayon..
Brother. YAN ang binabago namin. :)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 26, 2012, 05:52:13 AM
Been there. 8 hours of testing gear with Alex. a- i lost nothing. gained a lot. b-i concur.
Obviously his delivery of his opinions on the forums is the least accepted here. You'll be surprised what this guy knows and CAN prove. I can attest to that. And I have tried a lot.
I don't love the guy. Hated him before. Like hell! So I put myself to the test. I called. I caved. BUT learned a lot.
Alex, easy lang sa delivery :lol:. Tropa lahat yan. Kalat nalang natin ung alam sa acceptable terms ng karamihan = be nice man. lol.
OT: need to talk to you soon about that CS. :lol:
Ok. Anytime... Excited to set up the Rivera TBR 1SL for clean.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: weeeeeenesus on March 26, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
1. You started with a subject line that says "Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)" then proceeded to compare a Tokai with a Fender custom shop. Do you honestly believe that it is a fair comparison? Does that give you a bragging right?
I did a quick search for a fender custom shop tele and the first on the list starts at $5,536.00. You are comparing guitars with a $5k price difference. It's like racing with a Ferrari against a vios and bragging that you won.
2. A guitar is a tool to make music. Having the most expensive guitars makes you a collector but unless you can make great music out of it your guitar is nothing. Surely you can afford the most expensive recording studio to record some great music. Why don't you try it?
3. Being a rich kid does not give you the right to insult gigging musicians. A lot of guitar heroes started as gigging musicians in lowly bars. Were it not for these gigging musicians there won't be bars with live bands nor future recording artists.
4. What's the difference between a rich collector like you and a musician? Collectors buy the more expensive guitars. Musicians buy the best guitars that fits their budget. That's why collectors will win most of the time when comparing guitars -- they have the money to burn. You know that. We know that. Why insult musicians for that?
5. Lest you forget this is the online home of the pinoy musician. This is their home. Learn to respect them.
+1
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 26, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
If guitar-making was an exact science, I would believe. The problem is, you can also get very expensive lemons like Custom Shop Gibsons and Fenders that no rich man here would admit because it blurs their status. Ikaw na nga nagsabi, there are bad-sounding Suhrs.
If I bought an MIJ Strat blindly and then realized that it sucks then I would not be that upset. But if I bought a CS Fender Strat blindly and realized that it sucks, I would blabber and rant about it the whole time.
And being a cheapskate like me, it would be interesting to have an experiment like this:
take 12 MIJ Fender Teles and 1 CS Fender Tele in random, and select the best one among that batch. (being that the cost of 12 MIJ Fender Teles is the same as 1 CS MIA Fender). I would honestly think that the CS Fender would not always win over the 12 MIJs.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Musikerochan on March 26, 2012, 09:29:37 AM
"wala kayo sa lolo ko." "mas maganda ang Voltron robot ko kesa sa Optimus Prime mo."
:eek:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 26, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
If guitar-making was an exact science, I would believe. The problem is, you can also get very expensive lemons like Custom Shop Gibsons and Fenders that no rich man here would admit because it blurs their status. Ikaw na nga nagsabi, there are bad-sounding Suhrs.
i would imagine that folks making those guitars know what they are doing well enough to minimize lemons so i think the question would be does the instrument speak to you in a particular way?
but yes -you can get expensive lemons and this is a feasible possibility that ANY luthier will admit. however, they do make the effort to make sure that it doesn't happen, of course, so then the burden of effort falls on the buyer to know exactly what they are buying so you aren't blowing money on an instrument that you won't like playing.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 26, 2012, 10:10:37 AM
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Musikerochan on March 26, 2012, 10:11:17 AM
if there were indeed bad-sounding Suhrs, then isnt the builder conning the hell-out of his buyers? or does he simply destroy the bad-sounding ones?
how did you know there are bad-sounding Suhrs, then? maybe you have tried the bad-sounding ones, therefore the builder aint smashing them to bits, right? back to first first question, then.
same goes for other guitar producers.
i feel pity for Boss Arie. by your statements you're making him look and sound inferior, both he and his creations. para bang hopeless na makagawa ng magandang gitara, and that all his previous builds are crap, when in fact people here who have ENOUGH gigging experience can attest and compare.
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also, how did you know only 5% or whatever percent of a particular builder's production sound good? where did your statistics come from?
just curious.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 26, 2012, 10:46:51 AM
if there were indeed bad-sounding Suhrs, then isnt the builder conning the hell-out of his buyers? or does he simply destroy the bad-sounding ones?
how did you know there are bad-sounding Suhrs, then? maybe you have tried the bad-sounding ones, therefore the builder aint smashing them to bits, right? back to first first question, then.
same goes for other guitar producers.
i feel pity for Boss Arie. by your statements you're making him look and sound inferior, both he and his creations. para bang hopeless na makagawa ng magandang gitara, and that all his previous builds are crap, when in fact people here who have ENOUGH gigging experience can attest and compare.
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also, how did you know only 5% or whatever percent of a particular builder's production sound good? where did your statistics come from?
just curious.
With regards to my Modern:
"Some guitars do stand out more than others, so it's really hard to guarantee that another guitar will be just like that Modern you just got. We really won't know how a guitar will sound until we put one together. We'll try our best, but as you know, no two guitars are quite the same." Ed Yoon (July 12, 2008)
With regards to my Vintage Classic Strat:
"I think this is the one you want. It just got finished a few days ago and it has the nitro-cellulose lacquer without the aging process. It's one of the new Vintage Series guitars we introduced this year. It really resonates beautifully. All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening." Ed Yoon (February 27, 2009)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 26, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
"Some guitars do stand out more than others, so it's really hard to guarantee that another guitar will be just like that Modern you just got. We really won't know how a guitar will sound until we put one together. We'll try our best, but as you know, no two guitars are quite the same." Ed Yoon (July 12, 2008)
With regards to my Vintage Classic Strat:
"I think this is the one you want. It just got finished a few days ago and it has the nitro-cellulose lacquer without the aging process. It's one of the new Vintage Series guitars we introduced this year. It really resonates beautifully. All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening." Ed Yoon (February 27, 2009)
Here is an interesting WHAT IF. You own a music store in the US with hundreds of guitars. All price ranges from noob price point to corksniffing collector. Firemodel calls the store long distance and wants to buy a guitar that is up to his standards. AND THEN MIRACULOUSLY, a Squier Vintage Modified guitar shows up in the store, and the store owner is convinced 99% that it has the mojo, and the playability that Firemodel is looking for (sans the brand and price tag). A fluke!
Q1. Do you think the store owner will offer to sell it to Firemodel?
Q2. In case it is indeed offered to Firemodel, do you think Firemodel will simply pass it up even without trying it out because it is not an expensive guitar?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 26, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Here is an interesting WHAT IF. You own a music store in the US with hundreds of guitars. All price ranges from noob price point to corksniffing collector. Firemodel calls the store long distance and wants to buy a guitar that is up to his standards. AND THEN MIRACULOUSLY, a Squier Vintage Modified guitar shows up in the store, and the store owner is convinced 99% that it has the mojo, and the playability that Firemodel is looking for (sans the brand and price tag). A fluke!
Q1. Do you think the store owner will offer to sell it to Firemodel?
(Yes)
Q2. In case it is indeed offered to Firemodel, do you think Firemodel will simply pass it up even without trying it out because it is not an expensive guitar?
(Will buy it. So far none yet.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 26, 2012, 11:28:01 AM
"Some guitars do stand out more than others, so it's really hard to guarantee that another guitar will be just like that Modern you just got. We really won't know how a guitar will sound until we put one together. We'll try our best, but as you know, no two guitars are quite the same." Ed Yoon (July 12, 2008)
With regards to my Vintage Classic Strat:
"I think this is the one you want. It just got finished a few days ago and it has the nitro-cellulose lacquer without the aging process. It's one of the new Vintage Series guitars we introduced this year. It really resonates beautifully. All of the guitars are great but this one does have that extra little mojo happening." Ed Yoon (February 27, 2009)
you skipped my question bro.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 26, 2012, 11:47:28 AM
Hindi naman siguro tama na i-diss ang mga gitarang namanufacture sa mga umano'y "developing" countries. Oo nga may sari-sarili tayong opinion, pero parang ang chauvinist ng dating na "US-Made guitars are the best." Maaring humaba pa ang diskurso sa kung ano ang mas magandang gear, kalagayan ng mga kapatid nating musikerong tumutugtog sa mga gig, at iba pa. Basta ang duduluhin nito, e manatili tayong level-headed sa mga opinion.
The US and European made guitars are the BEST.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: jannten on March 26, 2012, 12:03:36 PM
kung guitar brands usapan sir. anu top 10 nyu? given na made in USA at europe sila. i dont own a MIJ at hindi giggger kaya hindi ako affected. more on enlightenment. :money:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 26, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
How about those from the GH, made by the Guitar Doctor? What can you say about 'em
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 26, 2012, 12:16:34 PM
it's just about doing what you do best. if you're a gigging musician, then gig and make music. if you're a collector/gearhead/connoisseur, then get the best sounding gear you can get your hands on.
wala rin magagawa ang pataasan ng ihi dito. being a gigging musician/better guitarplayer may make you a better musician but you may not be better in recognizing excellent tone. on the flipside, being a connoisseur may make you have a better ear for excellent tone but not a better musician.
totally different ballparks, gigging musicians and connoisseurs are in. no use comparing them. let's stop putting both in pedestals either. no one's better than the other simply because they shouldn't be compared in the first place.
How about those from the GH, made by the Guitar Doctor? What can you say about 'em
The US and European made guitar are the BEST. But if one were to have one made locally, the Guitar Doctor has the best chance of getting that magical 5% and NO OTHER LOCAL LUTHIER OR MANUFACTURE.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 26, 2012, 12:54:03 PM
The US and European made guitar are the BEST. But if one were to have one made locally, the Guitar Doctor has the best chance of getting that magical 5% and NO OTHER LOCAL LUTHIER OR MANUFACTURE.
Why is that? Care to elaborate?
The Doctor beating MIJs. Why not have one custom built for you? Risk not worth it?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: rye715 on March 26, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Unfortunately, 95% of what Fender sends out is crap. I think they produce 10,000 guitars a day worldwide. So thats about 300,000 bad sounding guitars a year. And guess what? Who buys all of that crap? Gigging musicians.
Ohh believe the truly magical instruments in a magical setup can punch thru anything and will rise above the rest of the band.
I am sorry to say but I believe that's plain and simple selfishness and ego.
IMHO, the truly magical instruments in a magical setup are the ones that can let the whole band rise as one in playing music, the one that can complement other instruments in the band, one that can support the music and the purpose of the music.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: mahavishnu on March 26, 2012, 01:00:46 PM
@maxi musikero, good analogy. Its like the wine taste tester who sips and spits through the best vintage vs the drunk who enjoys the whole bottle, the spirit, the intoxication and the camaraderie it comes with
if one's passion is to seek the best tone money can buy on earth, so be it. It's both a blessing and a curse. Through the years his ears evolve and yet will never be satisfied. We learn from his experience, some tips on shortcuts that may actually save you more money down the road. Like any prophet, philosopher, soothsayer thats up to you how much of it you ll take in. Or not. And i know most of us here would rather go through the years of upgrading and just meet him at the end of the road and say "hey firemodel, you were right, i found the best tone and lost lots of money in the process of upgrading and selection. But the journey and experience was well worth it" like how parents protect/guide/shelter their kids. but the kids ending up experiencing the same path their parents went through. The kids understand where the parent was coming from better than when they were just getting preached on life lessons. Although i cant fully understand the bashing of gigging musicians , luthier, gears or whatnot. When one can just share and educate them. That in itself is fulfilling.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 26, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
@maxi musikero, good analogy. Its like the wine taste tester who sips and spits through the best vintage vs the drunk who enjoys the whole bottle, the spirit, the intoxication and the camaraderie it comes with
if one's passion is to seek the best tone money can buy on earth, so be it. It's both a blessing and a curse. Through the years his ears evolve and yet will never be satisfied. We learn from his experience, some tips on shortcuts that may actually save you more money down the road. Like any prophet, philosopher, soothsayer thats up to you how much of it you ll take in. Or not. And i know most of us here would rather go through the years of upgrading and just meet him at the end of the road and say "hey firemodel, you were right, i found the best tone and lost lots of money in the process of upgrading and selection. But the journey and experience was well worth it" like how parents protect/guide/shelter their kids. but the kids ending up experiencing the same path their parents went through. The kids understand where the parent was coming from better than when they were just getting preached on life lessons. Although i cant fully understand the bashing of gigging musicians , luthier, gears or whatnot. When one can just share and educate them. That in itself is fulfilling.
Very well said, sir.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 26, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
sir alam ko din naman na madami siyang ibang guitar at alam ko din na bigay lang yun at di na binayaran..lol :-D :-D saka sir kung hindi maganda yung tone na MIJ nya bat pa nya yun gagamitin e nakataya yung reputation nya as a musician diba....lalo na sa live gig...he is also a gigging musician...
well gang ngayon sir as far as i know eh still multi fx padin gamit ni petrucci as his main board... :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 26, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
kung guitar brands usapan sir. anu top 10 nyu? given na made in USA at europe sila. i dont own a MIJ at hindi giggger kaya hindi ako affected. more on enlightenment. :money:
Just surf at Destroy All Guitars.com
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 27, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
The Doctor beating MIJs. Why not have one custom built for you? Risk not worth it?
The Doctor discourages custom builds even his own for the simple reason that he cannot take it upon himself to sell a guitar that is less than his standards for character and tone. Now, you can only understand this reason if you have been exposed to alot of guitars.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 27, 2012, 08:31:29 AM
I am sorry to say but I believe that's plain and simple selfishness and ego.
IMHO, the truly magical instruments in a magical setup are the ones that can let the whole band rise as one in playing music, the one that can complement other instruments in the band, one that can support the music and the purpose of the music.
(ANG TAWAG DIYAN MUSICIANSHIP IN MY BOOK.)
Sorry boss pero wala kang experience sa magandang gitara based on your definition....
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 27, 2012, 08:34:54 AM
sir alam ko din naman na madami siyang ibang guitar at alam ko din na bigay lang yun at di na binayaran..lol :-D :-D saka sir kung hindi maganda yung tone na MIJ nya bat pa nya yun gagamitin e nakataya yung reputation nya as a musician diba....lalo na sa live gig...he is also a gigging musician...
(Pero Tinanong mo ba sa kanya kung anong mas magandang tunog kaysa gitara niya? Baka magulat ka na hawak ko ang mga paborito niyang gitara.)
well gang ngayon sir as far as i know eh still multi fx padin gamit ni petrucci as his main board... :-D
(Anong definition mo ng multi-fx? Please cite which piece of gear in JP's rig is what you call a multi-fx?)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 27, 2012, 08:35:41 AM
The Doctor discourages custom builds even his own for the simple reason that he cannot take it upon himself to sell a guitar that is less than his standards for character and tone. Now, you can only understand this reason if you have been exposed to alot of guitars.
:?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: kurtseth on March 27, 2012, 10:34:40 AM
im just waiting for turi to be available we will be swinging by your place to test your stuff sir alex i was able to hear the GY live last november and i presume that most of your stuff will be killer as well :)
OT: LOL at my post count i was an addictus before now im back to being a fanatic LAWL
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: kasoy777 on March 27, 2012, 10:48:46 AM
^-^
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: toolucy on March 27, 2012, 10:49:15 AM
Instead of bashing the guy why not try to hear the tone for yourselves?then after that we can actually make our own conclusions and opinions. Most of the arguments presented here are of the apples vs oranges type.
That being said,I would like to personally listen and see for myself the tone alex is talking about.who knows?I might learn something new.and most probably I wouldn't be able to afford his gear in my lifetime lol so better try it at least once.hehehe
Sir alex,pls hit me up on a good time for forumers like le meh to see and try out your gear.hehehehe
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: joesat on March 27, 2012, 10:51:40 AM
hmmmm..i like this thread..parang cycle lang siya....
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on March 27, 2012, 12:09:16 PM
dont worry firemodel kahit naliligo kasa mga criticism dito sa gear central, sa 5 years na tinagal ko sa philmusic. isa kapa rin sa mga forumer na may credibility sa pagdating sa gear review. good job
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 12:14:46 PM
I hope you can have a shootout between a guitar like this:
and this:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 27, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
dont worry firemodel kahit naliligo kasa mga criticism dito sa gear central, sa 5 years na tinagal ko sa philmusic. isa kapa rin sa mga forumer na may credibility sa pagdating sa gear review. good job
I actually like his reviews of high end gear. Most of us here do. I think kaya madaming "nakakabangga" si Alex dito is because of his choice of words minsan. And he makes statements minsan na nagiging controversial talaga. Don't ask me kung ano yung mga yun. :)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: mojoefly on March 27, 2012, 12:46:21 PM
Thank you Firemodel for having me come over yesterday. :)
You're baker and Gil Yaron Blew my mind. It's only yesterday that I learned why you called your guitars magical. No one will understand until they get to try those 2 guitars.
If you guys think firemodel is maangas or mayabang. HE ISN'T. He's just very frank. Yesterday I did not feel or sense an ounce or arrogance. ZERO! He has a wonderful aura even. You guys are lucky someone is willing to let you try such amazing and uber expensive gear. If he invites you. You should go. The Baker and Gil Yaron will blow your mind. You will hear the best clear tone ever on his Vox and amazing dirt on his diezel.
He's a gold mine of information and knowledge when it comes to guitar, history of guitars, guitar building ect...
Just go there and try his gear. You will learn a lot.
Thanks Alex.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 12:54:35 PM
Thank you Firemodel for having me come over yesterday. :)
You're baker and Gil Yaron Blew my mind. It's only yesterday that I learned why you called your guitars magical. No one will understand until they get to try those 2 guitars.
If you guys think firemodel is maangas or mayabang. HE ISN'T. He's just very frank. Yesterday I did not feel or sense an ounce or arrogance. ZERO! He has a wonderful aura even. You guys are lucky someone is willing to let you try such amazing and uber expensive gear. If he invites you. You should go. The Baker and Gil Yaron will blow your mind. You will hear the best clear tone ever on his Vox and amazing dirt on his diezel.
He's a gold mine of information and knowledge when it comes to guitar, history of guitars, guitar building ect...
Just go there and try his gear. You will learn a lot.
Thanks Alex.
Toldja. But then again, let's see how you tell that to most of us prisoners in the cave. :D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: markflo on March 27, 2012, 12:56:33 PM
I like MIJ guitars
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: page8six.... on March 27, 2012, 12:59:47 PM
im just waiting for turi to be available we will be swinging by your place to test your stuff sir alex i was able to hear the GY live last november and i presume that most of your stuff will be killer as well :)
OT: LOL at my post count i was an addictus before now im back to being a fanatic LAWL
OT: same tayo, Pmed one of the mods already about this
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 27, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
The problem with Alex's paradigm - it is pretty similar to those "Adopt a street child on Christmas day" programs. At first we think that by giving street kids some clothes, gifts and a sumptuous Noche Buena on Christmas eve, we can make them feel good about themselves. But in fact, it does the opposite. It makes them feel more pitiful of themselves, that NOT making them experience material wealth for a day could have been better in the first place. It is like dangling a carrot in front of them, that they can never reach.
I think Alex' insights are noble, but then, his invitations cannot solve our 'tone problems'. For as long as musicians are being spoiled with "Come what may" backlines for gigs, we shall always be plagued with pedal GAS only to find out that the solution is bringing the whole rig, or having a tech rider that every show producer SHALL provide. We shall always be tone chameleons. It's not entirely a bad thing, but unless our musicians get good sums off their gigs and albums, no one would ever invest on gear the way the pro's abroad do so.
Take Vhunter's band for instance... they all share the same level of passion for the music, gear-wise and skill-wise. The same value set is COMMON in other countries, especially for touring artists. I hope someday we can all have the same consciousness.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 27, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
The problem with Alex's paradigm - it is pretty similar to those "Adopt a street child on Christmas day" programs. At first we think that by giving street kids some clothes, gifts and a sumptuous Noche Buena on Christmas eve, we can make them feel good about themselves. But in fact, it does the opposite. It makes them feel more pitiful of themselves, that NOT making them experience material wealth for a day could have been better in the first place. It is like dangling a carrot in front of them, that they can never reach.
I think Alex' insights are noble, but then, his invitations cannot solve our 'tone problems'. For as long as musicians are being spoiled with "Come what may" backlines for gigs, we shall always be plagued with pedal GAS only to find out that the solution is bringing the whole rig, or having a tech rider that every show producer SHALL provide. We shall always be tone chameleons. It's not entirely a bad thing, but unless our musicians get good sums off their gigs and albums, no one would ever invest on gear the way the pro's abroad do so.
Take Vhunter's band for instance... they all share the same level of passion for the music, gear-wise and skill-wise. The same value set is COMMON in other countries, especially for touring artists. I hope someday we can all have the same consciousness.
well said.
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Post by: jimy james on March 27, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
Hanep! Baker + Gil Yaron + Sumptuous Noche Buena!!! :lol:
Saan haybols ni Alex?
istart kona bike ko...
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Post by: prince22 on March 27, 2012, 01:56:51 PM
eh sir di pa po kami close ni steve saka pagnagkausap po kami papapicture lang po ako and hihingi ng gitara... :-D :-D :-Dseryoso sir meron ka ng mga guitar nyan swerte mo talaga sir...gusto kitang mameet seriously hahaha...
sir i think john is using axe electronics i dunno kung yun pa din gamit nya or TC.or anything paiba iba naman siya ng gamit..pero sir ang definition ko po ng multi eh any electronics equipment, sound processor na nkkpgalter nakakapgcontrol ng ibat ibang klase ng sound in one piece..mapa analog man or digital ang output nya as long as madami kang pwedeng iset on loop which you can control built in man or satellite...like carl martin MKII,g system. AXE FX..gt100 ....ayun basta ganon...lol...thats how i define it sir pwedeng mali ko compare sa definition ng iba..lol....
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 27, 2012, 02:10:08 PM
Luck is indeed an important factor to get great sounding guitars.
sabagay sir..ou nga my point ka... :-D :-D but sir i wonder is there such thing as perfect tone...pwede kasi na yung tone ko which is yun talaga yung gusto ko pero panget naman sa iba...parang ganon.. :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 02:28:33 PM
sabagay sir..ou nga my point ka... :-D :-D but sir i wonder is there such thing as perfect tone...pwede kasi na yung tone ko which is yun talaga yung gusto ko pero panget naman sa iba...parang ganon.. :-D
Point of View also has something to do. For example. Since Alex owns a Soldano SLO and raves about how great it sounds , some butthurt noob tries to confront Alex by going to his place. The noob lived his life plugging to a Rage Amp with his Zoom G1 multi fx. At Alex' home, the noob plugs his Zoom G1 to the SLO100's clean channel... AMAZING! On the contrary, Alex gets pissed because it is sacrilege to plug a Zoom G1 to an amp like a SLO.
For the noob, the SLO100 was an 'upgrade' to his Zoom G1. For Alex, the Zoom G1 was a 'downgrade' to his SLO100.
Nice video here:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 27, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
sabagay sir..ou nga my point ka... :-D :-D but sir i wonder is there such thing as perfect tone...pwede kasi na yung tone ko which is yun talaga yung gusto ko pero panget naman sa iba...parang ganon.. :-D
this is like a step-ladder bro. almost everyone starts from the bottom. let's say you have owned the following guitars, with 1 being your first guitar and 6 being your current guitar.
1. Fernando 2. Squier 3. Fender MIM/MIJ 4. Fender MIA Standard 5. Fender MIA Reissue 6. Fender Custom Shop
would you honestly go back to a Fernando or a Squier kung meron ka nang MIA Reissue or Custom Shop? i doubt. it will be illogical (and frankly, stupid) to say yes, unless you hold sentimental value higher than tonal quality.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
the guys who have been in the forum long enough are relatively immune to his scathing posts. as a matter of fact, he has already toned down a lot. :)
this is like a step-ladder bro. almost everyone starts from the bottom. let's say you have owned the following guitars, with 1 being your first guitar and 6 being your current guitar.
1. Fernando 2. Squier 3. Fender MIM/MIJ 4. Fender MIA Standard 5. Fender MIA Reissue 6. Fender Custom Shop
would you honestly go back to a Fernando or a Squier kung meron ka nang MIA Reissue or Custom Shop? i doubt. it will be illogical (and frankly, stupid) to say yes, unless you hold sentimental value higher than tonal quality.
I think it is also dangerous to make a generalization that any guitarplayer would have that guitar timeline. Joe Perry once had an Orville by Gibson Les Paul that sounded so good that not even his CS Les Pauls could compete with. So as a result of being a Gibson endorser, he had the headstock re-faced as Gibson. SRV's Lenny guitar had a partscaster neck. But the logo was fitted with a spaghetti logo (to Fender's advantage). Steve Vai uses an MIJ Stratocaster that he loves dearly, which he used in the Alien Loves Secrets EP.
IMO, I would still go for tone over brand, heritage, and whatnot. Not to say higher custom-build values don't affect my choices,
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Post by: page8six.... on March 27, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
I think it is also dangerous to make a generalization that any guitarplayer would have that guitar timeline. Joe Perry once had an Orville by Gibson Les Paul that sounded so good that not even his CS Les Pauls could compete with. So as a result of being a Gibson endorser, he had the headstock re-faced as Gibson. SRV's Lenny guitar had a partscaster neck. But the logo was fitted with a spaghetti logo (to Fender's advantage). Steve Vai uses an MIJ Stratocaster that he loves dearly, which he used in the Alien Loves Secrets EP.
IMO, I would still go for tone over brand, heritage, and whatnot. Not to say higher custom-build values don't affect my choices,
well said sir skunky :cool:
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 27, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
Point of View also has something to do. For example. Since Alex owns a Soldano SLO and raves about how great it sounds , some butthurt noob tries to confront Alex by going to his place. The noob lived his life plugging to a Rage Amp with his Zoom G1 multi fx. At Alex' home, the noob plugs his Zoom G1 to the SLO100's clean channel... AMAZING! On the contrary, Alex gets pissed because it is sacrilege to plug a Zoom G1 to an amp like a SLO.
For the noob, the SLO100 was an 'upgrade' to his Zoom G1. For Alex, the Zoom G1 was a 'downgrade' to his SLO100.
Nice video here:
HAHA this is funny.
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Post by: maxi_musikero on March 27, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
I think it is also dangerous to make a generalization that any guitarplayer would have that guitar timeline. Joe Perry once had an Orville by Gibson Les Paul that sounded so good that not even his CS Les Pauls could compete with. So as a result of being a Gibson endorser, he had the headstock re-faced as Gibson. SRV's Lenny guitar had a partscaster neck. But the logo was fitted with a spaghetti logo (to Fender's advantage). Steve Vai uses an MIJ Stratocaster that he loves dearly, which he used in the Alien Loves Secrets EP.
IMO, I would still go for tone over brand, heritage, and whatnot. Not to say higher custom-build values don't affect my choices,
yup i agree bro. but i was speaking in general terms - sort of the "normal" hierarchy of quality. the cases that you mentioned are special and may be unique. like there could be only 2 in 10 Orvilles that can beat a CS LP. let's not forget about the normal 8.
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Post by: monkeypunch on March 27, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
this is like a step-ladder bro. almost everyone starts from the bottom. let's say you have owned the following guitars, with 1 being your first guitar and 6 being your current guitar.
1. Fernando 2. Squier 3. Fender MIM/MIJ 4. Fender MIA Standard 5. Fender MIA Reissue 6. Fender Custom Shop
would you honestly go back to a Fernando or a Squier kung meron ka nang MIA Reissue or Custom Shop? i doubt. it will be illogical (and frankly, stupid) to say yes, unless you hold sentimental value higher than tonal quality.
hahha natawa ko dito actually i have a fernando strat my first electric...and a squier...hahahaa :-D :-D :-D so it means im on a process pala..hahaha...lol...4 steps pa to get a custom... :-D :-D
The Doctor discourages custom builds even his own for the simple reason that he cannot take it upon himself to sell a guitar that is less than his standards for character and tone. Now, you can only understand this reason if you have been exposed to alot of guitars.
this is a weird phrase. so he is essentially only selling guitars that he likes? i mean, come on man -tone is subjective, you should know this. i like all kinds of music but i don't like everyone's tone and the same translates to me not liking everyone's guitar taste too. i've been around a lot of guitars so i'd definitely say the state of mind is a bit close minded, especially for a person who is supposed to be well versed in guitar culture.
anyone who builds guitars right now will tell you straight off that no one guitar will fit everyone -its an impossibility-due to the fact that everyone's idea of great tone is different and that variation is inherent, just like every guy's taste in chicks - or dudes. whatever floats people's boat.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 27, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
hahha natawa ko dito actually i have a fernando strat my first electric...and a squier...hahahaa :-D :-D :-D so it means im on a process pala..hahaha...lol...4 steps pa to get a custom... :-D :-D i like this .... :-D
nasa Squier pa lang din ako bro. and mukhang hindi na ako aangat pa in the near future. choice din kasi yan eh. :)
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Post by: monkeypunch on March 27, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
nasa Squier pa lang din ako bro. and mukhang hindi na ako aangat pa in the near future. choice din kasi yan eh. :)
di pala ko nagiisa.. ou nga hirap talaga ng mahirap...hahaha...kahit ang pangarap kong JP12 or EB-silhouette malabo pa sa putik ng baha yun hahaha... :-D :-D
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Post by: Gep on March 27, 2012, 03:26:00 PM
Nang matapos na ang lahat ng usapan dito - WALANG BASAGAN NG BRIP. /thread
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: glassjaw_jc on March 27, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
this is a weird phrase. so he is essentially only selling guitars that he likes? i mean, come on man -tone is subjective, you should know this. i like all kinds of music but i don't like everyone's tone and the same translates to me not liking everyone's guitar taste too. i've been around a lot of guitars so i'd definitely say the state of mind is a bit close minded, especially for a person who is supposed to be well versed in guitar culture.
anyone who builds guitars right now will tell you straight off that no one guitar will fit everyone -its an impossibility-due to the fact that everyone's idea of great tone is different and that variation is inherent, just like every guy's taste in chicks - or dudes. whatever floats people's boat.
I think the statement is FM55's way of saying that the Doctor also sucks. :) The Dr can't build a guitar that would suffice his own standards.
luthier or tech? :wink:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 27, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
I think the statement is FM55's way of stating that the Doctor also sucks. :) The Dr can't build a guitar that would suffice his own standards.
luthier or tech? :wink:
i guess so -which is fine. skill in building something is a trade skill that requires a lot of dedication AND know-how.
i was at the last healdsburg festival which is a rather famous festival for guitars and where the whos-who of the acoustic building royalty gather to show their stuff. you've got everything from 2-3K guitars to 20-40 grand custom guitars there for people to check out. what is worth noting about this festival is the mentality of all the luthiers on attendance because they all think this: they all build guitars with THEIR version of great tone, which translates to a different flavor of instrument from one luthier to the next. what this clearly says is that the concept of tone varies and everyone does it "right"...in THEIR own voice as musicians and luthiers.
i use festivals like this to pick who builds my guitars because i get to see how close the floor model of the luthier's work might get to the tone in my head. each piece is different and they all do the same thing right in their own way. one thing every luthier has told me before starting a commission is this: what tone are you looking for? what are you going to use the guitar for and what type of music do you like? the very fact that these types of questions are asked shows that tone is a sliding scale. hell, i've met guys who rave over Olsons and Somogyis and Ryans -guitars i;ve played in person-and then walked down to the next room to meet folks who say outright that what i thought was awesome didn't really do it for them at all.
the take home message here is: what might work for you won't necessarily be the same for the next guy. this is especially valuable when considering gear acquisition because what you might be saying as a piece of trash is something that is an expensive investment for a person on a budget. there HAS to be an adjustment for situations to suit what people think is great tone because it doesn't just involve an appreciation of tone it involves a budget too which is a primary concern for many folks.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 27, 2012, 04:38:55 PM
a piece of trash is something that is an expensive investment for a person on a budget. there HAS to be an adjustment for situations to suit what people think is great tone because it doesn't just involve an appreciation of tone it involves a budget too which is a primary concern for many folks.
yeah.....you killed it sir...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: jm the mute on March 27, 2012, 05:10:14 PM
The problem with Alex's paradigm - it is pretty similar to those "Adopt a street child on Christmas day" programs. At first we think that by giving street kids some clothes, gifts and a sumptuous Noche Buena on Christmas eve, we can make them feel good about themselves. But in fact, it does the opposite. It makes them feel more pitiful of themselves, that NOT making them experience material wealth for a day could have been better in the first place. It is like dangling a carrot in front of them, that they can never reach.
It's up to you if you want to wallow in envy. Or you could work your ass off, step up your game, improve the quality of your life and get the things you want. We are not limited to just what we make in gigs. Save up what you got, get creative and make extra money. Couple patience with intelligence. After testing his gears last night I thought of a new business to get me extra funds. I will not despair. That statement is promoting pessimism and disbelief in oneself. We should push each other forward and upward and not down. Everyone here is capable of moving forward. I would suggest after testing his gear, don't despair. find a way to make extra money. Change is absolutely possible in one's life. It just starts with a single decision. Don't ever tell anyone they are not capable of making enough to buy those guitars. Anyone with the will can do it. I started with a P3,500 pesos rockstar guitar used in gigs for 2 years. now I have Gibsons, prestiges, Am deluxes ect... It up to you guys. Change your mindset.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: jimy james on March 27, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
kala ko yung "hiyaw" vid... :-D
Joey Albert pala. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: analog.matt on March 27, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
Thank you Firemodel for having me come over yesterday. :)
You're baker and Gil Yaron Blew my mind. It's only yesterday that I learned why you called your guitars magical. No one will understand until they get to try those 2 guitars.
If you guys think firemodel is maangas or mayabang. HE ISN'T. He's just very frank. Yesterday I did not feel or sense an ounce or arrogance. ZERO! He has a wonderful aura even. You guys are lucky someone is willing to let you try such amazing and uber expensive gear. If he invites you. You should go. The Baker and Gil Yaron will blow your mind. You will hear the best clear tone ever on his Vox and amazing dirt on his diezel.
He's a gold mine of information and knowledge when it comes to guitar, history of guitars, guitar building ect...
Just go there and try his gear. You will learn a lot.
Thanks Alex.
Had the same experience too.
The Zen master asks the scholar what he knows about Zen. The scholar, needing no further invitation, begins to reel off pages of literary allusions, footnotes, and parts of old lectures. As the scholar talks, the Zen master pours the tea. Finally, when the legs and feet of the scholar are thoroughly soaked he follows the trail of tea back to the smiling face of the Zen master. “Why, do you continue to pour when my cup is full to overflowing?” asks the scholar with some indignation. The Zen master then asks:
“How, can I teach you anything about Zen until you first empty your cup!”
I went to Alex's place with an empty cup and he was able to fill it with his tea.
unfortunately some people can't empty their cups because they are so full of themselves.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: tongski_02 on March 27, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
i want some tea too
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 27, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
Please do not confuse news articles with blogs. While most of the comments are right, what it fails to see is that there are foreign cultures that are more egotistic in nature.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
I think the statement is FM55's way of saying that the Doctor also sucks. :) The Dr can't build a guitar that would suffice his own standards.
luthier or tech? :wink:
I would assume Arie knows how to build with much consideration to aesthetics and physical profiles of the guitar like neck curvature, fretboard curvature, scale, etc. What Arie probably CANNOT promise is the final output... he cannot guarantee you will like the tone of the finished product, which for him is not gonna be a good thing to see. Being that we don't have as much wood supplies I think luck will play a bigger role than the science behind the lutherie.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 27, 2012, 10:40:09 PM
It's up to you if you want to wallow in envy. Or you could work your ass off, step up your game, improve the quality of your life and get the things you want. We are not limited to just what we make in gigs. Save up what you got, get creative and make extra money. Couple patience with intelligence. After testing his gears last night I thought of a new business to get me extra funds. I will not despair. That statement is promoting pessimism and disbelief in oneself. We should push each other forward and upward and not down. Everyone here is capable of moving forward. I would suggest after testing his gear, don't despair. find a way to make extra money. Change is absolutely possible in one's life. It just starts with a single decision. Don't ever tell anyone they are not capable of making enough to buy those guitars. Anyone with the will can do it. I started with a P3,500 pesos rockstar guitar used in gigs for 2 years. now I have Gibsons, prestiges, Am deluxes ect... It up to you guys. Change your mindset.
Yup changing your mindset is imperative. But the reality of it is, not everyone can eventually have the spending power for posh equipment. Likewise, there will also be some financially-capable people who will be happy with a Roland Cube and an Epiphone despite their knowledge of other gear choices.
The only way to make us beef up our gear purchase mentality is a change of VALUES. Would you hesitate to let your 12 year-old son take guitar lessons if he can promise to be a studio cat in Nashville? Can he work at McDonald's once he graduates high school so he can purchase an ENGL Savage amp or a Bogner Ecstasy by installment? I have friends who worked part-time for 3 or 4 months in the US during their vacation, and ended up buying equipment worth $1500 more or less at Guitar Center. Something that no blue-collar job can promise in the local setting. Let alone high end gear.
Again it is all about economics.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 27, 2012, 11:16:00 PM
Please do not confuse news articles with blogs. While most of the comments are right, what it fails to see is that there are foreign cultures that are more egotistic in nature.
Why do you say I confuse the two? I never mentioned anything about news articles. News articles answers who, what, when, where, why, how. This is an opinion article. An article by definition is piece of nonfictional prose, it does not mention the medium. Be it printed, electronic, privately funded, corporate backed etc.
Given the fact that, yes, people the world over share or surpass the size of the Filipino ego, does it justify the Pinoy's flaws raised in the article?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 28, 2012, 02:24:54 AM
I would assume Arie knows how to build with much consideration to aesthetics and physical profiles of the guitar like neck curvature, fretboard curvature, scale, etc. What Arie probably CANNOT promise is the final output... he cannot guarantee you will like the tone of the finished product, which for him is not gonna be a good thing to see. Being that we don't have as much wood supplies I think luck will play a bigger role than the science behind the lutherie.
I wonder how good (FM55 standards) luthiers are able to predict the tonal aesthetic of a piece of wood. Do they knock on them and see which ones ring the loudest? From what I surmise, the only thing holding back Filipino luthiers from guitar building nirvana is a good selection of wood. I have no doubt that when you compare fit and finish alone, handmade guitars in the Phil. can go toe to toe with regular production MIJ or MIA guitars.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: deltaslim on March 28, 2012, 02:54:50 AM
I would assume Arie knows how to build with much consideration to aesthetics and physical profiles of the guitar like neck curvature, fretboard curvature, scale, etc. What Arie probably CANNOT promise is the final output... he cannot guarantee you will like the tone of the finished product, which for him is not gonna be a good thing to see. Being that we don't have as much wood supplies I think luck will play a bigger role than the science behind the lutherie.
+1
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:20:44 AM
this is a weird phrase. so he is essentially only selling guitars that he likes? i mean, come on man -tone is subjective, you should know this. i like all kinds of music but i don't like everyone's tone and the same translates to me not liking everyone's guitar taste too. i've been around a lot of guitars so i'd definitely say the state of mind is a bit close minded, especially for a person who is supposed to be well versed in guitar culture.
anyone who builds guitars right now will tell you straight off that no one guitar will fit everyone -its an impossibility-due to the fact that everyone's idea of great tone is different and that variation is inherent, just like every guy's taste in chicks - or dudes. whatever floats people's boat.
Not really. There is a minimum standard (which I refer to as objectivity) before we can choose to be subjective. And surprisingly, guitarist who can HEAR actually subscribe to a minimum standard first.
On your 2nd point, have you tried ordering from Gil Yaron? Not only can he build great tone across different types of guitars, he knows the OBJECTIVE standard for each one but allows you the SUBJECTIVITY in terms of looks and pickup windings.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:22:51 AM
Point of View also has something to do. For example. Since Alex owns a Soldano SLO and raves about how great it sounds , some butthurt noob tries to confront Alex by going to his place. The noob lived his life plugging to a Rage Amp with his Zoom G1 multi fx. At Alex' home, the noob plugs his Zoom G1 to the SLO100's clean channel... AMAZING! On the contrary, Alex gets pissed because it is sacrilege to plug a Zoom G1 to an amp like a SLO.
For the noob, the SLO100 was an 'upgrade' to his Zoom G1. For Alex, the Zoom G1 was a 'downgrade' to his SLO100.
Nice video here:
I would politely tell noob to try playing the SLO 100 without his Zoom G1.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:25:01 AM
Regular production wise, I think more people are finding better sounding axes MIJ than MIA + MIJ is cheaper.
No contest if it's between custom shop and regular MIJs.
Alex, did you get a chance to play one of them MIC Rasmus GG? Is it worth 1.4k USD?
I haven't got a chance yet to play the Rasmus but.... I am not discounting the fact that it may be an exception that a MIC Rasmus is better than a Japanese Made Ibanez prestige.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:29:24 AM
Yup changing your mindset is imperative. But the reality of it is, not everyone can eventually have the spending power for posh equipment. Likewise, there will also be some financially-capable people who will be happy with a Roland Cube and an Epiphone despite their knowledge of other gear choices.
The only way to make us beef up our gear purchase mentality is a change of VALUES. Would you hesitate to let your 12 year-old son take guitar lessons if he can promise to be a studio cat in Nashville? Can he work at McDonald's once he graduates high school so he can purchase an ENGL Savage amp or a Bogner Ecstasy by installment? I have friends who worked part-time for 3 or 4 months in the US during their vacation, and ended up buying equipment worth $1500 more or less at Guitar Center. Something that no blue-collar job can promise in the local setting. Let alone high end gear.
Again it is all about economics.
Its about learning to select 1 or 2 GREAT sounding guitars, one good guitar cable, and ONE GREAT guitar amp. Skunky, I belive you have more than two guitars and definitely more than two amps right? I have NEVER espoused that everybody should grab as much gear as I have. I know GREAT SOUNDING is expensvie but in the LONG RUN, it actually saves you more not to mention it increases your satisfaction and the joy of playing guitar.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:33:19 AM
I wonder how good (FM55 standards) luthiers are able to predict the tonal aesthetic of a piece of wood. Do they knock on them and see which ones ring the loudest? From what I surmise, the only thing holding back Filipino luthiers from guitar building nirvana is a good selection of wood. I have no doubt that when you compare fit and finish alone, handmade guitars in the Phil. can go toe to toe with regular production MIJ or MIA guitars.
There is ONLY ONE GREAT LUTHIER FOR ME -- GIL YARON. The others tend to get it hit or miss with higher rates of success than standard production line guitars. How he does it? Its his secret. Even Arie Hipolito will submit that Gil Yaron is way way above him in skill. In short, he CANNOT go toe to toe with Gil.
Case in point, Arie has said to me that if he had money, the only guitar he would even bother buying is my Gil Yaron Burst Replica. That means a lot coming from Arie.
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:34:27 AM
yup i agree bro. but i was speaking in general terms - sort of the "normal" hierarchy of quality. the cases that you mentioned are special and may be unique. like there could be only 2 in 10 Orvilles that can beat a CS LP. let's not forget about the normal 8.
+1
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:35:40 AM
It's up to you if you want to wallow in envy. Or you could work your ass off, step up your game, improve the quality of your life and get the things you want. We are not limited to just what we make in gigs. Save up what you got, get creative and make extra money. Couple patience with intelligence. After testing his gears last night I thought of a new business to get me extra funds. I will not despair. That statement is promoting pessimism and disbelief in oneself. We should push each other forward and upward and not down. Everyone here is capable of moving forward. I would suggest after testing his gear, don't despair. find a way to make extra money. Change is absolutely possible in one's life. It just starts with a single decision. Don't ever tell anyone they are not capable of making enough to buy those guitars. Anyone with the will can do it. I started with a P3,500 pesos rockstar guitar used in gigs for 2 years. now I have Gibsons, prestiges, Am deluxes ect... It up to you guys. Change your mindset.
Your welcome.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:44:43 AM
I feel that I am close or on the level of getting GREAT guitar tones and I just want to let people experience the upper threshold of GREAT TONE so that they have a reference to be inspired and be knowledgeable what to look for in the gear they purchase.
In the long run, I want them to overcome G.A.S.
I have said previously that you only need 1 or 2 GREAT sounding guitars, a good cable and ONE GREAT guitar amp. Now, do any of the music stores locally ever tell you that?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:47:48 AM
I think the statement is FM55's way of saying that the Doctor also sucks. :) The Dr can't build a guitar that would suffice his own standards.
luthier or tech? :wink:
If you interpret it that way... let me add a corollary, ALL OTHER LOCAL LUTHIERS SUCK MORE THAN HE. And, NONE of the others can even meet two to three level of standards below mine.
P.S. This is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:53:04 AM
Regular production wise, I think more people are finding better sounding axes MIJ than MIA + MIJ is cheaper.
No contest if it's between custom shop and regular MIJs.
Alex, did you get a chance to play one of them MIC Rasmus GG? Is it worth 1.4k USD?
Depends... as mentioned in this thread here by someone. We see more MIJ than MIA strats so naturally we think that there are more better sounding MIJ. But when I was in New York, there was hardly any MIJ but lots of Fender of MIA and Custom Shop Fenders -- even more than MIM across different retailers. Go figure.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 08:11:44 AM
Please do not confuse news articles with blogs. While most of the comments are right, what it fails to see is that there are foreign cultures that are more egotistic in nature.
For example, people from Ilocos who contiue to vote for the Marcoses. People from Pampanga who vote Gloria. People who continue to vote for ERAP (If PNOY did not run, he would be our president AGAIN) despite his admission of receiving jueteng proceeds. People who continue to idolize Manny Pacquaio despite the fact that he has not won a Gold Medal in boxing and vote him for congress. People who watch Willie Villarame and love him for his predictable 5 minute of fame reality show with cash and freebies -- as if he was Jesus Christ. People who think divorce is a national issue just because a wife and a mistress are fighting over the body of a Congressman. People who fail to realize that our population is bigger than the amount of resources we have to support everyone. People who support a Chief Justice who clearly has a dubious character fit because its in their interest to perpetuate the system and their title. People who think and praise a Senator Judge for his objectivity when he clearly has plotted to destabilize a government, murdered who knows how many people during Martial Law, and who ran on the premise that PPA rates can be lowered by electing him to office.... ETC. ETC. ETC.
Skunky, these are what I call foriegn cultures with BIG EGOs -- probably the biggest in the world.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 28, 2012, 09:02:01 AM
For example, people from Ilocos who contiue to vote for the Marcoses. People from Pampanga who vote Gloria. People who continue to vote for ERAP (If PNOY did not run, he would be our president AGAIN) despite his admission of receiving jueteng proceeds. People who continue to idolize Manny Pacquaio despite the fact that he has not won a Gold Medal in boxing and vote him for congress. People who watch Willie Villarame and love him for his predictable 5 minute of fame reality show with cash and freebies -- as if he was Jesus Christ. People who think divorce is a national issue just because a wife and a mistress are fighting over the body of a Congressman. People who fail to realize that our population is bigger than the amount of resources we have to support everyone. People who support a Chief Justice who clearly has a dubious character fit because its in their interest to perpetuate the system and their title. People who think and praise a Senator Judge for his objectivity when he clearly has plotted to destabilize a government, murdered who knows how many people during Martial Law, and who ran on the premise that PPA rates can be lowered by electing him to office.... ETC. ETC. ETC.
Skunky, these are what I call foriegn cultures with BIG EGOs -- probably the biggest in the world.
Agreed except for the Pacquiao one, some of the greatest boxers never won Olympic gold. But yeah, people who voted for the guy are crazy. I fear he may actually be president one day.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: tongski_02 on March 28, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
hell FPJ almost won. back to the topic
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 28, 2012, 09:10:22 AM
There is ONLY ONE GREAT LUTHIER FOR ME -- GIL YARON. The others tend to get it hit or miss with higher rates of success than standard production line guitars. How he does it? Its his secret. Even Arie Hipolito will submit that Gil Yaron is way way above him in skill. In short, he CANNOT go toe to toe with Gil.
Case in point, Arie has said to me that if he had money, the only guitar he would even bother buying is my Gil Yaron Burst Replica. That means a lot coming from Arie.
I followed some of his builds over at TDPRI, I believe he uses tuning forks to match frequencies between body and wood, or something of that nature. Sayang, I wasn't able to visit him the last time I went to Israel..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 28, 2012, 10:11:41 AM
What about Navigator? Where do they stand?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Poundcake on March 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Wow, a thread started by Alex that wasn't overrun by trolling and ad hominem-ing...
Good job, guys. Seriously. I hope that the culture here continues to improve.
Hey Alex, I still haven't paid you a visit to give your GY a whirl. Are you available on the day after Easter Sunday? Punta ako sa inyo :) I wanna compare my Korina Firemodel#48 with your GY.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 11:17:52 AM
Not really. There is a minimum standard (which I refer to as objectivity) before we can choose to be subjective. And surprisingly, guitarist who can HEAR actually subscribe to a minimum standard first.
On your 2nd point, have you tried ordering from Gil Yaron? Not only can he build great tone across different types of guitars, he knows the OBJECTIVE standard for each one but allows you the SUBJECTIVITY in terms of looks and pickup windings.
thought about getting a 335 made for a while now and i have communicated with him already. i follow his posts on TDPRI. still considering pulling the trigger though considering whether i "need" another 335. someone suggested a LP which he does a lot but i don't like les pauls -owned a few and never liked how they feel clunky to me live. only one i kept over the years is my old custom silverburst which i rarely play live. i know he also builds bases and that is another possibility. i'd love a vintage specd jazz. i currently use a Sadowsky and have a Fodera coming. i've been looking for a worn gigging replacement for my '68 Jazz and tried looking at the Nash stuff which are great but they didn't really do it for me. we'll see.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
i've played them in Japan during a visit. i like them - very well made guitars. i don't own any however. i only own custom ESPs. as far as liking them, I can't speak for firemodel though-he might hate em altogether considering they're made in Japan.
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Post by: the_Nong on March 28, 2012, 12:30:54 PM
I really didn't want to say it. I'm glad you did. It really is pride.
in most cases it's not pride.
some of the forumers here (including me) got offended about Alex's bombarding about 'gigging musicians', about buying the crappy stuff and how he ridiculed us of our 'guests'. call me a geezer but RESPECT is important to me. how can i respect some one if that some one doesn't respect me.
his opinion about MIJ guitars is all up to him, i could care less. that's his opinion and everybody is entitled to one. (in fact i admire US made guitars, they have their 'standards', i had a few MIA strats and there is indeed 'something' with it. but i love the simplicity of the MIJ, the 'pulido' of the cavity and the 'quality' of their work is something different. nevertheless, MIA guitars are just fine.. actually, i will be getting a Gibson soon.)
but 'magyabang' ka at 'manglaet' ng musikero, ibang usapan yan. i just hope you guys understand where i am coming from.
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Post by: the_Nong on March 28, 2012, 12:49:33 PM
Sorry boss pero wala kang experience sa magandang gitara based on your definition....
Yeah maybe, but may experience ako sa magagandang music na hindi kinailangan ng mamahalin na gamit. That's the endgame of every musician di ba? To make music. Having an uber expensive guitar doesn't make you a better musician. Kung hindi yung ang reason mo for playing an instrument, hindi ka talaga musikero.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 28, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
but if you want anything from me, drop by the Roadhouse tonight or every tuesdays this april and i'll be there..
in most cases it's not pride.
some of the forumers here (including me) got offended about Alex's bombarding about 'gigging musicians', about buying the crappy stuff and how he ridiculed us of our 'guests'. call me a geezer but RESPECT is important to me. how can i respect some one if that some one doesn't respect me.
his opinion about MIJ guitars is all up to him, i could care less. that's his opinion and everybody is entitled to one.
but 'magyabang' ka at 'manglaet' ng musikero, ibang usapan yan. i just hope you guys understand where i am coming from.
I just wonder, is being a musician for a living and having access to superior gear mutually-exclusive? I dunno why it should hurt. I know some local musicians rehearse in crass rehearsal studios with crappy amps and a crappy drumkit, and have fed their children by playing 3 sets of songs ciphered in 3 days, in bars with still, crappy drums and amps and a crappy PA system. Much respect for that, but to discerning audiences, your efforts do not justify the claims to good tone. You can only justify the hard work and the flexibility you imbibe in your artistry.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on March 28, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
Yeah maybe, but may experience ako sa magagandang music na hindi kinailangan ng mamahalin na gamit. That's the endgame of every musician di ba? To make music. Having an uber expensive guitar doesn't make you a better musician. Kung hindi yung ang reason mo for playing an instrument, hindi ka talaga musikero.
Well, he said before that whenever he watches a show, the guitar tones that he can't find up to snuff get in the way of his enjoyment.
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Post by: rye715 on March 28, 2012, 12:56:07 PM
I just wonder, is being a musician for a living and having access to superior gear mutually-exclusive?
i don't know.
I dunno why it should hurt.
i don't know too why it sold hurt you.
I know some local musicians rehearse in crass rehearsal studios with crappy amps and a crappy drumkit, and have fed their children by playing 3 sets of songs ciphered in 3 days, in bars with still, crappy drums and amps and a crappy PA system. Much respect for that,
experienced that. yeah, much respect to that. and that's good.
but to discerning audiences, your efforts do not justify the claims to good tone.
true, i am not justifying the claims to a good tone with my efforts.
You can only justify the hard work and the flexibility you imbibe in your artistry.
that is also right. although i know some people also justify 'hard work' with the investments they've made on the gears they've acquired.. call it a collection or a 'trophy' for all the 'hard work' they made.. is it justified from such? or are you just being to judgmental?
but then again, it's all about RESPECT. period.
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 01:18:44 PM
Well, he said before that whenever he watches a show, the guitar tones that he can't find up to snuff get in the way of his enjoyment.
well, that is HIS problem now isn't it? not like anyone is pointing a gun to his head to like what he is hearing or to attend a concert that he most likely will trash talk.
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Post by: skunkyfunk on March 28, 2012, 01:18:52 PM
well, that is HIS problem now isn't it? not like anyone is pointing a gun to his head to like what he is hearing or to attend a concert that he most likely will trash talk.
That's what happens when the gear becomes the focus. Not that it is not important, but the level of playing still supersedes the gear.
I would imagine the Lamb of God gig where he found Mark Morton's tone too "thin" or not cutting. Everyone is enjoying the circle pit while Alex is like "Oh gosh those power chords don't ring out well in the verse.... Duh the solos don't cut because the high mid harshness of the Mark V are being eaten up by the cymbals... Please let it stop!!!!" :D
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 01:29:52 PM
I just wonder, is being a musician for a living and having access to superior gear mutually-exclusive? -In many cases, it is. Fact of the matter is, hobbyists with day jobs make more than your average musician. This is true even here in the US. Unless you are getting your cashflow from a variety of stuff, you'd be hardpressed to afford superior gear great enough to suit the most snobbiest of gear hounds. Unless you make it big -which is hard these days- you use what you can afford.
The majority of people that support boutique equipment makers are not professional musicians -many are dudes that play at home, have better paying day jobs and buy toys when they want to and play gigs as weekend warriors.
Much respect for that, but to discerning audiences, your efforts do not justify the claims to good tone. You can only justify the hard work and the flexibility you imbibe in your artistry. -Again, this is tough. If the market doesn't feed you enough where you can funnel your money back into your craft, it'll be tough to invest in gear EVEN with an endorsement deal. You've got tour cost, manager fees, taxes, health insurance blah blah blah...
Its a cycle and musicians -gigging and working musicians- have to make do with what thy've got and upgrade when they get the chance which is far and few between.
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Post by: the_Nong on March 28, 2012, 01:31:48 PM
i think i should get a lawyer.. :-o and have him waste his time rather than mine..
i was afraid i'd encounter yet another argumentative individual.. anyway, i'll sleep it off and use my energy for better use.. nyt peeps!
nuff said.
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
That's what happens when the gear becomes the focus. Not that it is not important, but the level of playing still supersedes the gear.
I would imagine the Lamb of God gig where he found Mark Morton's tone too "thin" or not cutting. Everyone is enjoying the circle pit while Alex is like "Oh gosh those power chords don't ring out well in the verse.... Duh the solos don't cut because the high mid harshness of the Mark V are being eaten up by the cymbals... Please let it stop!!!!" :D
I agree and everyone is entitled to their opinion. People shouldn't give two f*cks but for some reason folks get riled up. I mean, Christ -why? What he says isn't doctrine and even if he says he knows good tone, it doesn't help YOUR situation if you don't have the same gear. The stuff sits in a room for people to drop by and try. Nice. I know Trainwreck and Dumbles are great amps and I've tried em but I can't trade in my balls for those two heads (nor would I want to -i love my juevos) to take out on the road so why go nuts over something I don't have in my own rig to play? Folks gotta work with what they've got, you know?
If you ask me, the millions of people that buy LOG tickets around the world is enough to show that the guys are doing something right. i'd take THAT as a sign that a band is doing something right ANYDAY instead of getting hung up over one dude's opinions on tone.
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Post by: maxi_musikero on March 28, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
The majority of people that support boutique equipment makers are not professional musicians -many are dudes that play at home, have better paying day jobs and buy toys when they want to and play gigs as weekend warriors.
If you ask me, the millions of people that buy LOG tickets around the world is enough to show that the guys are doing something right. i'd take THAT as a sign that a band is doing something right ANYDAY instead of getting hung up over one dude's opinions on tone.
:razz:
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 01:56:23 PM
Wow, a thread started by Alex that wasn't overrun by trolling and ad hominem-ing...
Good job, guys. Seriously. I hope that the culture here continues to improve.
Hey Alex, I still haven't paid you a visit to give your GY a whirl. Are you available on the day after Easter Sunday? Punta ako sa inyo :) I wanna compare my Korina Firemodel#48 with your GY.
Yup that whole week on anyday.
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Post by: voidmain on March 28, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
but if you want anything from me, drop by the Roadhouse tonight or every tuesdays this april and i'll be there..
in most cases it's not pride.
some of the forumers here (including me) got offended about Alex's bombarding about 'gigging musicians', about buying the crappy stuff and how he ridiculed us of our 'guests'. call me a geezer but RESPECT is important to me. how can i respect some one if that some one doesn't respect me.
his opinion about MIJ guitars is all up to him, i could care less. that's his opinion and everybody is entitled to one. (in fact i admire US made guitars, they have their 'standards', i had a few MIA strats and there is indeed 'something' with it. but i love the simplicity of the MIJ, the 'pulido' of the cavity and the 'quality' of their work is something different. nevertheless, MIA guitars are just fine.. actually, i will be getting a Gibson soon.)
but 'magyabang' ka at 'manglaet' ng musikero, ibang usapan yan. i just hope you guys understand where i am coming from.
Hold on, I don't know if you are part of it, but SOME people claiming to be gigging musicians started flexing their superiority complex and started throwing their weight around. So, I responded. If you care to back track the gigging musicians theme came up with some of the posters claimed them as superior when it comes to gear selection. I do NOT agree with that. There are a lot of crappy stuff out there and naturally it goes to everybody and that includes gigging musicians and possibly more to them because they may be the majority. The Nong, you claim to need respect by I NEVER ATTACKED OR PROVOKED YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS PRIOR TO YOU ATTACKING ME.
What ridicule of 'guests' are you talking about?
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 28, 2012, 02:13:40 PM
Hold on, I don't know if you are part of it, but SOME people claiming to be gigging musicians started flexing their superiority complex and started throwing their weight around. So, I responded. If you care to back track the gigging musicians theme came up with some of the posters claimed them as superior when it comes to gear selection. I do NOT agree with that. There are a lot of crappy stuff out there and naturally it goes to everybody and that includes gigging musicians and possibly more to them because they may be the majority. The Nong, you claim to need respect by I NEVER ATTACKED OR PROVOKED YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS PRIOR TO YOU ATTACKING ME.
What ridicule of 'guests' are you talking about?
i'm guessing your comment on gigging musicians buying crap rubbed him the wrong way.
I can see where you were going with your thought but maybe it might have been prudent to say "gigging musicians would definitely benefit from investing in better gear if they can because they're out there."? its not like they don't WANT to buy better gear if they've been around it -who wouldn't? but sometimes things are tougher to facilitate getting the gear you want vs the gear that is more within your means.
gigging musicians buy what they can afford -plain and simple. it might not be crap necessarily but it might not be as good as what you've got, this is normal. however, it wouldn't be out of the question for many conventional gigging folks to buy the same stuff you have if they can but, in reality, it probably is going to be difficult because the stuff you have is pretty pricey - which puts it out of reach of many people.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 28, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
.... isa lang ang masasabi ko napakaswerte nyo at naranasan nyo ng makahawak nang magagandang gamit at di lang isa at sobrang dami pa..at sa katulad namin na ang pagbili ng isang gamit ay katumbas ng isang pangarap at matinding pagiisip at pagsisikap dahil naglalaban ang mas pangangailangan ng pamilya...achievement na samin to...its crappy sa iba pero sa isang ordinaryong tao...its heaven...... :-D :-D :-D :-D pero ganun talaga ang buhay we are blessed in a different way....cheers.....
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Post by: Bolt Thrower on March 28, 2012, 02:14:07 PM
If every MIJ Guitar came with a Japanese AV Idol, Alex would buy it!
hahaha :wave:
Alex, tried the Navigators? IMO, they are a wee bit overpriced.
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Post by: vhunter on March 28, 2012, 02:16:00 PM
PLS lend me your GY again. Tagal ng sa akin eh.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Musikerochan on March 28, 2012, 04:23:19 PM
one thing some are forgetting though is that the IDEAL tone may not sit well IN A FULL BAND CONTEXT. when you have dialed in a tone you like and you feel you are messing with the other guitarist's frequencies you have to compromise as well. baka hindi na dinig. that's why when jamming with other guitarists i tend to focus my frequencies sa mids and lower mids para marinig pa din since usually guitarists i jam with play with scooped settings or dimed treble frequencies. adjustment ika nga. just throwing a centavo on the floor.
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Post by: kernelsalonpas on March 28, 2012, 04:44:53 PM
one thing some are forgetting though is that the IDEAL tone may not sit well IN A FULL BAND CONTEXT. when you have dialed in a tone you like and you feel you are messing with the other guitarist's frequencies you have to compromise as well. baka hindi na dinig. that's why when jamming with other guitarists i tend to focus my frequencies sa mids and lower mids para marinig pa din since usually guitarists i jam with play with scooped settings or dimed treble frequencies. adjustment ika nga. just throwing a centavo on the floor.
i agree. you'll never know what your gear is capable of unless you've spent time with it in a band context and going through all configurations. of course, this applies to me and may not apply for the rest.
but of course there are certain things that you can ascertain within a few minutes to a few hours of having the gear in your hands- moreso for guitars.
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 04:46:12 PM
one thing some are forgetting though is that the IDEAL tone may not sit well IN A FULL BAND CONTEXT. when you have dialed in a tone you like and you feel you are messing with the other guitarist's frequencies you have to compromise as well. baka hindi na dinig. that's why when jamming with other guitarists i tend to focus my frequencies sa mids and lower mids para marinig pa din since usually guitarists i jam with play with scooped settings or dimed treble frequencies. adjustment ika nga. just throwing a centavo on the floor.
I understand what you are saying but magical guitars for some reason can hold their own and paired with my amps and set properly -- do sit well.
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
.... isa lang ang masasabi ko napakaswerte nyo at naranasan nyo ng makahawak nang magagandang gamit at di lang isa at sobrang dami pa..at sa katulad namin na ang pagbili ng isang gamit ay katumbas ng isang pangarap at matinding pagiisip at pagsisikap dahil naglalaban ang mas pangangailangan ng pamilya...achievement na samin to...its crappy sa iba pero sa isang ordinaryong tao...its heaven...... :-D :-D :-D :-D pero ganun talaga ang buhay we are blessed in a different way....cheers.....
+1 Agree ako diyan. Pero kung talagang heaven, huwag kayo bumili ng bagong gamit kung biglang nagka budget.
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Post by: vhunter on March 28, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Alex.. come to the gig tomorrow.. check out the EV Artist V.
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Post by: treblinkalovescene on March 28, 2012, 04:59:42 PM
FM55, just curious, do you bother checking out other higher end pieces of equipment or are you a straight-up guitar guy? Basses and bass amps? Drumkits, maybe? You into that sort of thing?
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Post by: Poundcake on March 28, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
+1 Agree ako diyan. Pero kung talagang heaven, huwag kayo bumili ng bagong gamit kung biglang nagka budget.
yes sir... thanks..:-D :-D pero nag sasave din ako pakonti konti so i can get an Ernie Ball.MIA nga pala ang EB..lol. :-D :-D :-D sana magkatotoo.... :-D in God's grace.....
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 06:24:20 PM
FM55, just curious, do you bother checking out other higher end pieces of equipment or are you a straight-up guitar guy? Basses and bass amps? Drumkits, maybe? You into that sort of thing?
Hangang guitar lang ako though I wish I had a Brady Drumset so I can label the drumheads with the names of some Philmusic IDs... heh heh
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 07:01:50 PM
Yeah maybe, but may experience ako sa magagandang music na hindi kinailangan ng mamahalin na gamit. That's the endgame of every musician di ba? To make music. Having an uber expensive guitar doesn't make you a better musician. Kung hindi yung ang reason mo for playing an instrument, hindi ka talaga musikero.
But its more FUN playing with an uber expesive guitar and MORE appreciated by the audience if its a good sounding one. And lets be practical, you cannot charge a P1000 gate fee per head if you sound bad right? Kasi lahat naman tayo except for me kasi hindi ako gigging musician ay makakatugtog ng Eric Clapton. Sino kaya mas babayaran? Eh Siyempre yung gitarista na mas maganda ang tunog.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 07:07:21 PM
If every MIJ Guitar came with a Japanese AV Idol, Alex would buy it!
hahaha :wave:
Alex, tried the Navigators? IMO, they are a wee bit overpriced.
Not yet... but according to a friend I have in Brazil walang sinabi pa rin kay Gil Yaron. He sold his Tokai LS 320 and Navigators to buy more Gil Yarons.
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 07:17:03 PM
one thing some are forgetting though is that the IDEAL tone may not sit well IN A FULL BAND CONTEXT. when you have dialed in a tone you like and you feel you are messing with the other guitarist's frequencies you have to compromise as well. baka hindi na dinig. that's why when jamming with other guitarists i tend to focus my frequencies sa mids and lower mids para marinig pa din since usually guitarists i jam with play with scooped settings or dimed treble frequencies. adjustment ika nga. just throwing a centavo on the floor.
I usually do NOT ask or require my guitar to fix that. I rely on my amps and speaker cabinet. So for me, I like my Mills Acoustics 2x12s because they fill the whole room with sound not in a loud and direct way but more of an ambient thing that makes your guitar go thru a band mix. In the case of needing mids and lower mids, I have some amps that might suit your requirement -- Orange Overdrive 120, Matamp GT100, Cornell Plexi 1x12 combo cranked, the lead channel of the Rivera TBR 1 SL, Marshall Super Lead circa 1972, Vox AC30 cranked (with Celestion Alnico Blues and Mercury Magnetics Tone Clone OT) , Mesa Boogie Studio 22 cranked (modded OT with Celestion Heritage G12M) and when the Bruno Super 100 arrives. For clean na may mids, I recommend the clean channel of the Herbert and with 180 watts of Tube Power that should be enough and if that ain't enough we can switch to 6 KT88s or 6550s for 300 watts of tube power.
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Post by: monkeypunch on March 28, 2012, 07:20:08 PM
I usually do NOT ask or require my guitar to fix that. I rely on my amps and speaker cabinet. So for me, I like my Mills Acoustics 2x12s because they fill the whole room with sound not in a loud and direct way but more of an ambient thing that makes your guitar go thru a band mix. In the case of needing mids and lower mids, I have some amps that might suit your requirement -- Orange Overdrive 120, Matamp GT100, Cornell Plexi 1x12 combo cranked, the lead channel of the Rivera TBR 1 SL, Marshall Super Lead circa 1972, Vox AC30 cranked (with Celestion Alnico Blues and Mercury Magnetics Tone Clone OT) , Mesa Boogie Studio 22 cranked (modded OT with Celestion Heritage G12M) and when the Bruno Super 100 arrives. For clean na may mids, I recommend the clean channel of the Herbert and with 180 watts of Tube Power that should be enough and if that ain't enough we can switch to 6 KT88s or 6550s for 300 watts of tube power.
TS dami penge isa.... :-D :-D :-D
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
I just wonder, is being a musician for a living and having access to superior gear mutually-exclusive? I dunno why it should hurt. I know some local musicians rehearse in crass rehearsal studios with crappy amps and a crappy drumkit, and have fed their children by playing 3 sets of songs ciphered in 3 days, in bars with still, crappy drums and amps and a crappy PA system. Much respect for that, but to discerning audiences, your efforts do not justify the claims to good tone. You can only justify the hard work and the flexibility you imbibe in your artistry.
If you were a vocalist, would you have a chance to upgrade you voice? Probably not. Its either your voice has the pleasant timbre or NOT. Pusta tayo Willie Villarame sings and practices everyday and feeds his needs and his girls at the same time but he has a lousy voice. Maski na anong magandang at artistic na kanta, pakantahin mo kay Willie, I am sure super turn off ang timbre niya. Aren't we lucky as guitarists that at least we can SPEND on something to upgrade and make our guitar voice better?
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Post by: firemodel55 on March 28, 2012, 07:23:30 PM
but if you want anything from me, drop by the Roadhouse tonight or every tuesdays this april and i'll be there..
in most cases it's not pride.
some of the forumers here (including me) got offended about Alex's bombarding about 'gigging musicians', about buying the crappy stuff and how he ridiculed us of our 'guests'. call me a geezer but RESPECT is important to me. how can i respect some one if that some one doesn't respect me.
his opinion about MIJ guitars is all up to him, i could care less. that's his opinion and everybody is entitled to one. (in fact i admire US made guitars, they have their 'standards', i had a few MIA strats and there is indeed 'something' with it. but i love the simplicity of the MIJ, the 'pulido' of the cavity and the 'quality' of their work is something different. nevertheless, MIA guitars are just fine.. actually, i will be getting a Gibson soon.)
but 'magyabang' ka at 'manglaet' ng musikero, ibang usapan yan. i just hope you guys understand where i am coming from.
Please take my opinion with a grain of salt (I do not mean to insult you):
What I like about your band: 1. Maganda ang selection ng songs at hindi boring 2. Tight ang Banda at mukhang praktisado 3. Hindi overpowering ang drums at bass 4. Magaling ang bahista at mukhang siya ang nagdadala ng banda 5. Ok ang guest vocalist niyo na si Butch -- galing ng boses 6. Maganda ang clean tone ng vocalista niyo na naka Hamer 335 7. Hindi masakit sa tenga ang tunog ng gitara mo at gitar ng vocalist mo
What I don't like about your band: 1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12 2. Halos walang pick attack ang tunog mo. Walang definition mga distorted chords mo. Probably because of the POD. 3. Walang Dynamics ang playing mo again probably because of the POD. Hindi lumalabas ang 'tone is in the hands' 4. Though I think you settings are intentionally set that way to provide an effective contrast versus the 335, I think a really nice tele would do a better job than that PRS SE. 5. Pag naglelead ka, nawawala ang tunog mo at parang galing sa stereo o mini-component ang tunog mo. I believe that each member of the whole band should bring down their volume by about 1/2 to 1/3 during your lead break. This is the best fix short of buying more expensive equipment. 6. Though the drummer knows how to control his volume -- kung minsan lang siya hindi conscious sa volume na -- parang walang feel ang drumming niya. 7. Hindi maganda ang fuzz tone ng Hamer 335 na gamit ng vocalist niyo. Hindi musical at may pagka-fizzy. 8. Ang guitar tone ni butch ay for me example ng isang patay na gitara. Ayaw magsustain, Ayaw huminga. Ang timpla ay sobrang treble na parang napupunit ang speaker cone BUT...siya lang ang naririnig ang pick attack thru the band mix.
Overall, I would rate your guitar tone a 4 out of 10. I cannot assess properly whether your guitar is magical because of all that processing from the POD but off hand baka wala.
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Post by: turiguiliano on March 29, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
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Post by: prince22 on March 29, 2012, 01:31:04 AM
Please take my opinion with a grain of salt (I do not mean to insult you):
What I like about your band: 1. Maganda ang selection ng songs at hindi boring 2. Tight ang Banda at mukhang praktisado 3. Hindi overpowering ang drums at bass 4. Magaling ang bahista at mukhang siya ang nagdadala ng banda 5. Ok ang guest vocalist niyo na si Butch -- galing ng boses 6. Maganda ang clean tone ng vocalista niyo na naka Hamer 335 7. Hindi masakit sa tenga ang tunog ng gitara mo at gitar ng vocalist mo
What I don't like about your band: 1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12 2. Halos walang pick attack ang tunog mo. Walang definition mga distorted chords mo. Probably because of the POD. 3. Walang Dynamics ang playing mo again probably because of the POD. Hindi lumalabas ang 'tone is in the hands' 4. Though I think you settings are intentionally set that way to provide an effective contrast versus the 335, I think a really nice tele would do a better job than that PRS SE. 5. Pag naglelead ka, nawawala ang tunog mo at parang galing sa stereo o mini-component ang tunog mo. I believe that each member of the whole band should bring down their volume by about 1/2 to 1/3 during your lead break. This is the best fix short of buying more expensive equipment. 6. Though the drummer knows how to control his volume -- kung minsan lang siya hindi conscious sa volume na -- parang walang feel ang drumming niya. 7. Hindi maganda ang fuzz tone ng Hamer 335 na gamit ng vocalist niyo. Hindi musical at may pagka-fizzy. 8. Ang guitar tone ni butch ay for me example ng isang patay na gitara. Ayaw magsustain, Ayaw huminga. Ang timpla ay sobrang treble na parang napupunit ang speaker cone BUT...siya lang ang naririnig ang pick attack thru the band mix.
Overall, I would rate your guitar tone a 4 out of 10. I cannot assess properly whether your guitar is magical because of all that processing from the POD but off hand baka wala.
KANOR'd
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2012, 03:00:39 AM
Hangang guitar lang ako though I wish I had a Brady Drumset so I can label the drumheads with the names of some Philmusic IDs... heh heh
hah you're really something. i own some Brady stuff (the Jarrah block is one of my favorite snares next to my new Sonor) and i've never thought of writing on the heads much less Philmusic IDs...how do you come up with this stuff?
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Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2012, 03:05:07 AM
Turi, haha don't tell me you didn't see this coming? while I'd LOVE to see a play off between these two guys, people have been trying to get this to happen for YEARS but it just never happens for one BS reason or another. however, if the moons align, pigs grow wings and people man up - pretty please record this and post it on youtube for the overseas boys and girls to check out.
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Post by: elfenliedagain on March 29, 2012, 03:15:32 AM
Turi, haha don't tell me you didn't see this coming? while I'd LOVE to see a play off between these two guys, people have been trying to get this to happen for YEARS but it just never happens for one BS reason or another. however, if the moons align, pigs grow wings and people man up - pretty please record this and post it on youtube for the overseas boys and girls to check out.
lol. i will.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 29, 2012, 05:48:26 AM
hah you're really something. i own some Brady stuff (the Jarrah block is one of my favorite snares next to my new Sonor) and i've never thought of writing on the heads much less Philmusic IDs...how do you come up with this stuff?
Thats cool. Thats just a joke. Its not serious. It just occurs...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 29, 2012, 05:50:52 AM
That's not how I meant it... Its an honest assessment. It was actually to refreshing to watch them as a whole band. Hindi nakakasawa and at least entertaining kasi medyo iba rin dating tugtog nila maski na covers. Siyempre may room for improvement but I think it was pretty ok at WALANG COVER CHARGE.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: ianhisoka47 on March 29, 2012, 05:58:49 AM
I thought the topic was why MIJ sucks.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Bart on March 29, 2012, 06:29:39 AM
Maria Ozawa sucks....
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Ryn on March 29, 2012, 06:31:07 AM
Please take my opinion with a grain of salt (I do not mean to insult you):
What I like about your band: 1. Maganda ang selection ng songs at hindi boring 2. Tight ang Banda at mukhang praktisado 3. Hindi overpowering ang drums at bass 4. Magaling ang bahista at mukhang siya ang nagdadala ng banda 5. Ok ang guest vocalist niyo na si Butch -- galing ng boses 6. Maganda ang clean tone ng vocalista niyo na naka Hamer 335 7. Hindi masakit sa tenga ang tunog ng gitara mo at gitar ng vocalist mo
What I don't like about your band: 1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12 2. Halos walang pick attack ang tunog mo. Walang definition mga distorted chords mo. Probably because of the POD. 3. Walang Dynamics ang playing mo again probably because of the POD. Hindi lumalabas ang 'tone is in the hands' 4. Though I think you settings are intentionally set that way to provide an effective contrast versus the 335, I think a really nice tele would do a better job than that PRS SE. 5. Pag naglelead ka, nawawala ang tunog mo at parang galing sa stereo o mini-component ang tunog mo. I believe that each member of the whole band should bring down their volume by about 1/2 to 1/3 during your lead break. This is the best fix short of buying more expensive equipment. 6. Though the drummer knows how to control his volume -- kung minsan lang siya hindi conscious sa volume na -- parang walang feel ang drumming niya. 7. Hindi maganda ang fuzz tone ng Hamer 335 na gamit ng vocalist niyo. Hindi musical at may pagka-fizzy. 8. Ang guitar tone ni butch ay for me example ng isang patay na gitara. Ayaw magsustain, Ayaw huminga. Ang timpla ay sobrang treble na parang napupunit ang speaker cone BUT...siya lang ang naririnig ang pick attack thru the band mix.
Overall, I would rate your guitar tone a 4 out of 10. I cannot assess properly whether your guitar is magical because of all that processing from the POD but off hand baka wala.
I think Nong is the guy with the Hamer 335.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2012, 07:08:59 AM
1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12
just a question regarding this, Alex. for drive pedals i would understand that analog is the way to go. but how about for modulations and delay? analog pa rin or will digital cut it?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 29, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
just a question regarding this, Alex. for drive pedals i would understand that analog is the way to go. but how about for modulations and delay? analog pa rin or will digital cut it?
Mas gusto warmth and 'blurriness' of analog. I have some digital delays that I use on the Diezel's Effects Loop that makes the sound punchier for some weird reason.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Poundcake on March 29, 2012, 11:54:22 AM
Mas gusto warmth and 'blurriness' of analog. I have some digital delays that I use on the Diezel's Effects Loop that makes the sound punchier for some weird reason.
It may be caused by buffering. Is the Herbert's effects loop buffered?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 29, 2012, 01:47:05 PM
It may be caused by buffering. Is the Herbert's effects loop buffered?
they are. all Diezel amp loops are buffered. i asked about this when i bought my VH4 because I ran into the same thing when I ran a 2290 and Harmonizer through it. i thought was way too much in my face and way too clean for my liking with the Diezel. i've heard people bringing the same thought up in forums before if i remember, the Diezels tend to be really hi-fi sounding -slapping a digitl delay in the loop makes your sound way too clean for some people -me included.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: monkeypunch on March 29, 2012, 02:49:03 PM
Please take my opinion with a grain of salt (I do not mean to insult you):
What I like about your band: 1. Maganda ang selection ng songs at hindi boring 2. Tight ang Banda at mukhang praktisado 3. Hindi overpowering ang drums at bass 4. Magaling ang bahista at mukhang siya ang nagdadala ng banda 5. Ok ang guest vocalist niyo na si Butch -- galing ng boses 6. Maganda ang clean tone ng vocalista niyo na naka Hamer 335 7. Hindi masakit sa tenga ang tunog ng gitara mo at gitar ng vocalist mo
What I don't like about your band: 1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12 2. Halos walang pick attack ang tunog mo. Walang definition mga distorted chords mo. Probably because of the POD. 3. Walang Dynamics ang playing mo again probably because of the POD. Hindi lumalabas ang 'tone is in the hands' 4. Though I think you settings are intentionally set that way to provide an effective contrast versus the 335, I think a really nice tele would do a better job than that PRS SE. 5. Pag naglelead ka, nawawala ang tunog mo at parang galing sa stereo o mini-component ang tunog mo. I believe that each member of the whole band should bring down their volume by about 1/2 to 1/3 during your lead break. This is the best fix short of buying more expensive equipment. 6. Though the drummer knows how to control his volume -- kung minsan lang siya hindi conscious sa volume na -- parang walang feel ang drumming niya. 7. Hindi maganda ang fuzz tone ng Hamer 335 na gamit ng vocalist niyo. Hindi musical at may pagka-fizzy. 8. Ang guitar tone ni butch ay for me example ng isang patay na gitara. Ayaw magsustain, Ayaw huminga. Ang timpla ay sobrang treble na parang napupunit ang speaker cone BUT...siya lang ang naririnig ang pick attack thru the band mix.
Overall, I would rate your guitar tone a 4 out of 10. I cannot assess properly whether your guitar is magical because of all that processing from the POD but off hand baka wala.
you know there's a button under his avatar. its called "PM" <_<
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: trem3 on March 29, 2012, 03:17:57 PM
yeah i agree but it's actually off topic. so he could have just coursed it through private message. :)
sabagay mas-tama ka... firestarter din kasi ang dating.
Kaya ako I usually deal with my own flaws first bago mag-comment sa iba... in fact hindi ako nagko-comment unless hiningan ako or unless nabwisit, naangasan, nayabangan or tipong basag trip. But don't get me wrong minsan and I mean minsan ganun si Alex, pero sanayan na lang. 6 years na rin ako dito sa forum na ito... natuto na rin kahit papano on how to deal with these topics.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: siore on March 29, 2012, 05:52:31 PM
Why y'all so concerned with what firemodel55 thinks? :-D Just imagine if there were no replies to his threads. He doesn't spout truth as far as I'm concerned (philosophically speaking), and I generally take his opinion with boulders of salt, if I can sift through all that hyperbole.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 29, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
read the subject heading -interesting. then i read the guts of the post -let me get this straight: you're comparing a Tokai to a Custom Shop strat then qualify the comparison with a generalized "MIJ sucks" subject heading? last time i checked tokai never had a specialized custom shop.
come on man, the herb you smoke can't be THAT strong.
this.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 29, 2012, 06:28:57 PM
Not that it is not important, but the level of playing still supersedes the gear.
I go with this because the opportunities to get better at playing are far more than the opportunities to have better gear.
I actually sincerely believe that at the level of FM55's tone hearing capabilities, he should be able to maximize the cheapest of gear to produce the best results. And I would like to see that. :-D
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 30, 2012, 02:41:18 AM
Please take my opinion with a grain of salt (I do not mean to insult you): i was not insulted, but i think my guitarist is.. hala!
What I like about your band: 1. Maganda ang selection ng songs at hindi boring - thanks. 2. Tight ang Banda at mukhang praktisado - of course we do. 3. Hindi overpowering ang drums at bass 4. Magaling ang bahista at mukhang siya ang nagdadala ng banda 5. Ok ang guest vocalist niyo na si Butch -- galing ng boses 6. Maganda ang clean tone ng vocalista niyo na naka Hamer 335 - ahh, that's me. 7. Hindi masakit sa tenga ang tunog ng gitara mo at gitar ng vocalist mo
What I don't like about your band: 1. Lubog ang tunog ng PRS SE mo -- proof: ikaw lang ang naka 2x12 while the others were using 1x12s yet mas litaw sila sa mix. I suggest you trash the POD and just select 3 of your pedals and go direct into the valveking 2X12 - hindi ako naka PRS
2. Halos walang pick attack ang tunog mo. Walang definition mga distorted chords mo. Probably because of the POD. -i use analogs, im dont use a POD
3. Walang Dynamics ang playing mo again probably because of the POD. Hindi lumalabas ang 'tone is in the hands' -again, i don't have a POD
4. Though I think you settings are intentionally set that way to provide an effective contrast versus the 335, I think a really nice tele would do a better job than that PRS SE. -yes i have a MIM Fender Tele, and again i don't have a PRS.
5. Pag naglelead ka, nawawala ang tunog mo at parang galing sa stereo o mini-component ang tunog mo. I believe that each member of the whole band should bring down their volume by about 1/2 to 1/3 during your lead break. This is the best fix short of buying more expensive equipment.
6. Though the drummer knows how to control his volume -- kung minsan lang siya hindi conscious sa volume na -- parang walang feel ang drumming niya. -i'll tell my drummer, thank you.
7. Hindi maganda ang fuzz tone ng Hamer 335 na gamit ng vocalist niyo. Hindi musical at may pagka-fizzy. -oh, i am not making it Fuzz. and besides, that's what i am making, a Fizz, so far, ikaw lang nag sabi nyan..
8. Ang guitar tone ni butch ay for me example ng isang patay na gitara. Ayaw magsustain, Ayaw huminga. Ang timpla ay sobrang treble na parang napupunit ang speaker cone BUT...siya lang ang naririnig ang pick attack thru the band mix. -i'll tell Butch about it
Overall, I would rate your guitar tone a 4 out of 10. I cannot assess properly whether your guitar is magical because of all that processing from the POD but off hand baka wala. -again, i am not using a POD.
next time, make sure na ako ung tinignan mo, as obvious as it is, ung guitarsita ko ung napuna mo. don't worry makakarating.. tsk, tsk, tsk..
funny guy, nagpunta pero din naman lumapit at nagpakilala sa guitarista namin.. next time, sana usap kayo ni Edward.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 30, 2012, 02:47:44 AM
you know there's a button under his avatar. its called "PM" <_<
Rayms, ok lang bro, he's talking about my guitarist, ill let eddrock know. at least he liked my 'clean tone'.. haha. i betcha, may masasabi pa yan..
Firemodel55, i don't need any of your un-solicited advice. anyway, right all you want, i guess i wont be lurking na muna in this useless thread.. good luck!
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: eddrock on March 30, 2012, 03:07:44 AM
yep hanggang ngayon di ko ma gets yung valveking na yon, tsk tsk hirap patunugin hehe. sori men kung di ko masatisfy yung galing mo sa pandinig regarding sa tunog ng gitara, sa guitar sa tingin ko may problem yung pups ko for the last 2 weeks napansin ko parang sumasakal tunog eh, di ko lang gaanp pinapansin pero i'll use my other PRS next week. sakto sabi ko dadalhin ko yung gitara ko na yun kay mang jun to check it, last week kasama sya sabi nga nya parang may "naiba" jan sa gamit mo ngayon. tnx for the headsup bro atleast di lang ako at kabanda ko ang nakapansin. BTW i really play on mid volume lang. di ako OA na lintek kung tumugtog eh napakalakas ng gitara, ayaw ko ng ganun, play - entertain... not play - annoy.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 06:26:16 AM
Rayms, ok lang bro, he's talking about my guitarist, ill let eddrock know. at least he liked my 'clean tone'.. haha. i betcha, may masasabi pa yan..
Firemodel55, i don't need any of your un-solicited advice. anyway, right all you want, i guess i wont be lurking na muna in this useless thread.. good luck!
Nope. The only thing I did not like was your fuzz which I already mentioned. I would give you a 6 out of 10.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 06:30:06 AM
I go with this because the opportunities to get better at playing are far more than the opportunities to have better gear.
I actually sincerely believe that at the level of FM55's tone hearing capabilities, he should be able to maximize the cheapest of gear to produce the best results. And I would like to see that. :-D
If that were more important, how come the successful guitarists we admire have the best and most expensive gear in the world?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 06:35:21 AM
yep hanggang ngayon di ko ma gets yung valveking na yon, tsk tsk hirap patunugin hehe. sori men kung di ko masatisfy yung galing mo sa pandinig regarding sa tunog ng gitara, sa guitar sa tingin ko may problem yung pups ko for the last 2 weeks napansin ko parang sumasakal tunog eh, di ko lang gaanp pinapansin pero i'll use my other PRS next week. sakto sabi ko dadalhin ko yung gitara ko na yun kay mang jun to check it, last week kasama sya sabi nga nya parang may "naiba" jan sa gamit mo ngayon. tnx for the headsup bro atleast di lang ako at kabanda ko ang nakapansin. BTW i really play on mid volume lang. di ako OA na lintek kung tumugtog eh napakalakas ng gitara, ayaw ko ng ganun, play - entertain... not play - annoy.
I was not sure if sa iyo ang valveking thats why I could not comment. But I agree with you mahirap ang valveking. The best I could do with it is to pair up a Matchless Hotbox and Lovepedal COT50 in front and run them on at the same time.
Before changing pickups, try mo muna direct.
Its ok to play mid volume but the rest of the band has to consciously go down in volume when its your turn. But at least you are lucky that your drummer and bassist have control on their volume to give you and Nong the space to be heard.
I think para hindi ka maguluhan muna, you should prioritize getting your pick attack heard. On the extreme side, Butch's guitar has pick attack but I don't think you want to be that clean. I only watched you guys during your 2nd set because I had to go home. Rod Stewart's Hot Legs was definitely the high point of the set with a great starter from Butch.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 06:36:47 AM
Why y'all so concerned with what firemodel55 thinks? :-D Just imagine if there were no replies to his threads. He doesn't spout truth as far as I'm concerned (philosophically speaking), and I generally take his opinion with boulders of salt, if I can sift through all that hyperbole.
Because at the back of their mind -- though unwilling to admit it, there is a chance that I could be right...
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 06:37:32 AM
So, have you tried GREAT sounding USA made guitars?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: tfpoec2 on March 30, 2012, 06:43:39 AM
I think we should focus on those brands that have depreciated the quality of their equipment and instruments rather than focusing on where a certain item was made. Just saying. :) Plus, baka naman kasi kaya pumangit kasi nga nagmura yung mga japan counterparts nung items na yun. Noon ba, mas mura na MIJ mas maganda pa? Have to ask cause I don't really know. :-(
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 07:00:07 AM
I think we should focus on those brands that have depreciated the quality of their equipment and instruments rather than focusing on where a certain item was made. Just saying. :) Plus, baka naman kasi kaya pumangit kasi nga nagmura yung mga japan counterparts nung items na yun. Noon ba, mas mura na MIJ mas maganda pa? Have to ask cause I don't really know. :-(
Yes, mas better ang workmanship noon at mas cheap pa. But not necessarily mas maganda ang tunog kaysa ngayon.
I can only speak based on my experience. Ibanez has degraded in quality across their whole line. I think ESP remains the same if not better at least the Japanese ones. But if you are really into ESP, I think you should go for the ESP Custom Shop Japan. The only beef I have against ESP Custom Shop is despite its high price medyo hit or miss pa rin sila sa tunog. Tokai I would say might actually be better today than yesterday.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: tongski_02 on March 30, 2012, 07:47:30 AM
newbie question. tokai is now made in germany??
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 08:05:37 AM
Firemodel55, i don't need any of your un-solicited advice. anyway, right all you want, i guess i wont be lurking na muna in this useless thread.. good luck!
Alam mo Nong? Now I undertand why people who watch your band enjoy. KASI LIBRE AT WALANG COVER CHARGE. Subukan mo mag charge ng P1000 gate fee per head. Tingnan natin kung mag-enjoy pa sila. I would say that at the level of your band, you guys are worth the P200-P400 cover charge and I would gladly pay P400 BUT... There is room for improvement and thats why you need un-solicted advice kasi baka panay fan boys/cheer leading squad/hakot (3 of them) mo lang ang pinapakinggan mo.
P.S. Medyo OT but this guy should be put into place too.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 09:12:47 AM
Alam mo Nong? Now I undertand why people who watch your band enjoy. KASI LIBRE AT WALANG COVER CHARGE. Subukan mo mag charge ng P1000 gate fee per head. Tingnan natin kung mag-enjoy pa sila. I would say that at the level of your band, you guys are worth the P200-P400 cover charge and I would gladly pay P400 BUT... There is room for improvement and thats why you need un-solicted advice kasi baka panay fan boys/cheer leading squad/hakot (3 of them) mo lang ang pinapakinggan mo.
P.S. Medyo OT but this guy should be put into place too.
damn. thats cold as ice. it'd be best keeping your opinions to yourself, man. the way this thread is going, its not really serving any constructive purpose except you telling people what they can afford sucks and unless they hope/buy/hock past what they can afford, they ain't ever going to amount to much. i've got some pretty pricey stuff but i'll be damned if I walked out to a gig, pulled out my Greenfield and told the guy using a Yamaha that he should think twice about what he knows because his tone sucks, his gear sucks which translates to him being a bad musician for entertaining subpar equipment. i love music and good music thrives on creativity as much as it does on respect -don't hate so much. hating doesn't help you, the scene or the point you are trying to make.
don't care how you express what you think because we've ALL read enough of your posts but this is pretty harsh. if you ask me, unless you can contribute to improve the status quo of the current state of gear by either -sharing the wealth of gear access beyond what your toyroom boundaries or helping other improve their gear acquisitions- the discourse and direction of this thread is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone.
talk is cheap -showing people what you have is fine but not improving the state of things beyond letting people see, try and yearn for what you have is not helpful. ok, they tried your gear and "learned" more -cool story- fact is, they still have to go home to what they've got; they can learn all they want but lets face it, not everyone can afford the gear you have. its nice to test drive a ferrari and know it is out there and what it feels like but at the end of the day unless you can afford the $400K price tag, the regular joe will go home to whatever conventional car fits their budget.
i suggest this thread be closed because unless firemodel starts giving away lessons, gigs more than any musician in the Metro Manila area doing clinics, hands out free gear or rents out his equipment to bring the state of gear in the Phils to a new state of enlightenment, not many people are getting much out of what is being written here.
PS. I am all for tone parties and sharing info -sans the hate that is being encouraged by this thread. stuff like this is just getting soooooo old. blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 30, 2012, 09:48:38 AM
damn. thats cold as ice. it'd be best keeping your opinions to yourself, man. the way this thread is going, its not really serving any constructive purpose except you telling people what they can afford sucks and unless they hope/buy/hock past what they can afford, they ain't ever going to amount to much. i've got some pretty pricey stuff but i'll be damned if I walked out to a gig, pulled out my Greenfield and told the guy using a Yamaha that he should think twice about what he knows because his tone sucks, his gear sucks which translates to him being a bad musician for entertaining subpar equipment. i love music and good music thrives on creativity as much as it does on respect -don't hate so much. hating doesn't help you, the scene or the point you are trying to make.
don't care how you express what you think because we've ALL read enough of your posts but this is pretty harsh. if you ask me, unless you can contribute to improve the status quo of the current state of gear by either -sharing the wealth of gear access beyond what your toyroom boundaries or helping other improve their gear acquisitions- the discourse and direction of this thread is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone.
talk is cheap -showing people what you have is fine but not improving the state of things beyond letting people see, try and yearn for what you have is not helpful. ok, they tried your gear and "learned" more -cool story- fact is, they still have to go home to what they've got; they can learn all they want but lets face it, not everyone can afford the gear you have. its nice to test drive a ferrari and know it is out there and what it feels like but at the end of the day unless you can afford the $400K price tag, the regular joe will go home to whatever conventional car fits their budget.
i suggest this thread be closed because unless firemodel starts giving away lessons, gigs more than any musician in the Metro Manila area doing clinics, hands out free gear or rents out his equipment to bring the state of gear in the Phils to a new state of enlightenment, not many people are getting much out of what is being written here.
PS. I am all for tone parties and sharing info -sans the hate that is being encouraged by this thread. stuff like this is just getting soooooo old. blah blah blah.
Man, you are wise, indeed. I couldn't have put it more eloquently. You have expressed my exact sentiment on the matter.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 30, 2012, 09:52:17 AM
Alam mo Nong? Now I undertand why people who watch your band enjoy. KASI LIBRE AT WALANG COVER CHARGE. Subukan mo mag charge ng P1000 gate fee per head. Tingnan natin kung mag-enjoy pa sila. I would say that at the level of your band, you guys are worth the P200-P400 cover charge and I would gladly pay P400 BUT... There is room for improvement and thats why you need un-solicted advice kasi baka panay fan boys/cheer leading squad/hakot (3 of them) mo lang ang pinapakinggan mo.
P.S. Medyo OT but this guy should be put into place too.
HAHAHAHAHA! stupid.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 30, 2012, 09:54:45 AM
sige na.. hehehe..
FIREMODEL55.. IKAW NA!
hahahaha.. bye guys! binasa ko lang sagot ng 'mabait' kong gitarista.. Eddrock, ingat ka jan..
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: stratboy on March 30, 2012, 09:57:33 AM
Alam mo Nong? Now I undertand why people who watch your band enjoy. KASI LIBRE AT WALANG COVER CHARGE. Subukan mo mag charge ng P1000 gate fee per head. Tingnan natin kung mag-enjoy pa sila. I would say that at the level of your band, you guys are worth the P200-P400 cover charge and I would gladly pay P400 BUT... There is room for improvement and thats why you need un-solicted advice kasi baka panay fan boys/cheer leading squad/hakot (3 of them) mo lang ang pinapakinggan mo.
P.S. Medyo OT but this guy should be put into place too.
This post made you look more idiotic than usual. Congratulations Alex.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Musikerochan on March 30, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
I usually do NOT ask or require my guitar to fix that. I rely on my amps and speaker cabinet. So for me, I like my Mills Acoustics 2x12s because they fill the whole room with sound not in a loud and direct way but more of an ambient thing that makes your guitar go thru a band mix. In the case of needing mids and lower mids, I have some amps that might suit your requirement -- Orange Overdrive 120, Matamp GT100, Cornell Plexi 1x12 combo cranked, the lead channel of the Rivera TBR 1 SL, Marshall Super Lead circa 1972, Vox AC30 cranked (with Celestion Alnico Blues and Mercury Magnetics Tone Clone OT) , Mesa Boogie Studio 22 cranked (modded OT with Celestion Heritage G12M) and when the Bruno Super 100 arrives. For clean na may mids, I recommend the clean channel of the Herbert and with 180 watts of Tube Power that should be enough and if that ain't enough we can switch to 6 KT88s or 6550s for 300 watts of tube power.
i wonder: do organizers provide these kinds of amps in gigs? (balik tayo sa gigs). sa mga municipal/ordinary events, himala siguro.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
i wonder: do organizers provide these kinds of amps in gigs? (balik tayo sa gigs). sa mga municipal/ordinary events, himala siguro.
hell naw. you kidding?
this quote does get me thinking though: when there is a mention of all these amps combined in the context of "filling a room" would it be right to understand that the said pieces of gear have actually been used in a band/gig context -not by any stand in, not as a lent piece of gear -but by firemodel -in the flesh, strumming a guitar, through an amp, in the presence of an audience?
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 30, 2012, 10:23:19 AM
someone get this thread back on track! :-o
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Musikerochan on March 30, 2012, 10:25:00 AM
naisip ko kasi, at the end of the day, kahit pa the best rig was used in the studio to record songs, how your tone ON STAGE - to me, at least - matters most. ramdam mo naman yun. ok nga ang settings mo pag mag-isa ka lang, but what about in band context? unless you play solo then it wouldnt matter, you wont be competing for frequencies with other instruments.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 30, 2012, 10:25:29 AM
By my own perception of great, sure. A handful of them.
Of course, I expect you to doubt me. And you will expect me not to care what you think. So, let's just get that over with and move on.
nice. but are they magical guitars? as in, are they all sparkly n sh*t when you play em. as in, they have actual sparks like Harry Potter's wand when he does his magic light thing.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Al_Librero on March 30, 2012, 10:43:26 AM
No. I don't do drugz.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
hm. good point. i didn't account for the term "magical" to automatically translate to the copious use of recreational or mood behavioral pharmaceuticals, or a permanent/ transient state of delusion.
carry on. i'll help right the track of this thread:
1. MIJ guitars are pretty good though some can suck. 2. Maria Ozawa (or any of the JAV actresses) do not suck. If you think they suck -as in are bad -then you must be ghey and not like beautiful women.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 30, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
hm. good point. i didn't account for the term "magical" to automatically translate to the copious use of recreational or mood behavioral pharmaceuticals, or a permanent/ transient state of delusion.
carry on. i'll help right the track of this thread:
1. MIJ guitars are pretty good though some can suck. 2. Maria Ozawa (or any of the JAV actresses) do not suck. If you think they suck -as in are bad -then you must be ghey and not like beautiful women.
Ozawa sucks, sir. Literally. :lol:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 10:58:07 AM
1. MIJ guitars are pretty good though some can suck. 2. Maria Ozawa (or any of the JAV actresses) do not suck. If you think they suck -as in are bad -then you must be ghey and not like beautiful women.
1. It pretty much applies to any guitars, wherever they are built, right? 2. There are a lot of JAV's which I find unwatchable, though (yes, I've seen quite a number of them over the years, haha). Even here, it still boils down to a) personal taste, and b) proper context -- even with a good famous actor/actress, a film can still bomb the same way the best sounding guitar in the world can still make bad music in the hands of an inept player.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: maxi_musikero on March 30, 2012, 10:59:33 AM
carry on. i'll help right the track of this thread:
1. MIJ guitars are pretty good though some can suck. 2. Maria Ozawa (or any of the JAV actresses) do not suck. If you think they suck -as in are bad -then you must be ghey and not like beautiful women.
i'll follow through.
i have no experience with MIJ guitars yet. but based on what i read and feedback from folks who owned, they have good construction but with so-so electronics. once the electronics have been upgraded tho, they can be at par with MIAs.
and yeah, folks who don't find JAV actresses attractive must be ghey. but isn't this like tone - subjective too? :wave:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 30, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
1. It pretty much applies to any guitars, wherever they are built, right? 2. There are a lot of JAV's which I find unwatchable, though (yes, I've seen quite a number of them over the years, haha). Even here, it still boils down to a) personal taste, and b) proper context -- even with a good famous actor/actress, a film can still bomb the same way the best sounding guitar in the world can still make bad music in the hands of an inept player.
1. yup yup. it is a try then decide type of arrangement which goes for EVERY guitar whether they are made in the US or in Mongolia. 2. I was just going to write an amended statement after recalling some butt-@ss ugly JAV actresses who whimper until it gets annoying. But hey, taste is the name of the game -some dudes love the 8/10 ranked girls while others like the 3-4/10 ones look-wise.
i subscribe to lamedia on youtube and they have some pretty damn nice new comers. i will need to investigate further to see their magical attributes.
@maxi: yeah -you just gotta try em. the build is typically great but you never know which is why you can't really talk down on the quality because even US guitars aren't safe from the same type of situation.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 30, 2012, 11:38:53 AM
Jack In A Vox (who ever he is) once said, "If you wanna spread your word, you must spread the wealth..." :)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: rednas on March 30, 2012, 12:48:30 PM
Reading this thread reminded me of this vid:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
that is his cue to move out, pay rent/pay mortgage and work full time. if he can afford the Engl, that Taylor in his video and the GMajor, he can pay rent.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: boybangs on March 30, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
i have no experience with MIJ guitars yet. but based on what i read and feedback from folks who owned, they have good construction but with so-so electronics. once the electronics have been upgraded tho, they can be at par with MIAs.
and yeah, folks who don't find JAV actresses attractive must be ghey. but isn't this like tone - subjective too? :wave:
Yup the electronics are so-so but I think the American Standards are better made and feeling than the Fender MIJs.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 05:03:10 PM
hahahaha.. bye guys! binasa ko lang sagot ng 'mabait' kong gitarista.. Eddrock, ingat ka jan..
I don't know if you probably noticed why the band next door has more listeners than your band. Well, kasi hindi pa kayong kasing galing ng akala mo. Sa iyo na rin.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on March 30, 2012, 05:12:55 PM
It's hot in here..whew!!! :-o :x
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 30, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
paano na lang kung nabibili ang talent...malamang pinakyaw na ni fm55 yun...yari kayong lahat :-P
not possible. if i remember correctly (and this is a paraphrase), he replied to someone asking about this saying that he can't play because he chose not to play.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 30, 2012, 05:17:55 PM
damn. thats cold as ice. it'd be best keeping your opinions to yourself, man. the way this thread is going, its not really serving any constructive purpose except you telling people what they can afford sucks and unless they hope/buy/hock past what they can afford, they ain't ever going to amount to much. i've got some pretty pricey stuff but i'll be damned if I walked out to a gig, pulled out my Greenfield and told the guy using a Yamaha that he should think twice about what he knows because his tone sucks, his gear sucks which translates to him being a bad musician for entertaining subpar equipment. i love music and good music thrives on creativity as much as it does on respect -don't hate so much. hating doesn't help you, the scene or the point you are trying to make.
(Its an opinion about his gig and if you read my opinon again, there were positive things said and areas for improvement. Gigging musician di ba? So, I wanted to hear the superiority of the gigging musician. I would NOT say that they are on that level of creativity yet. NOR would I consider them at the TOP.)
don't care how you express what you think because we've ALL read enough of your posts but this is pretty harsh. if you ask me, unless you can contribute to improve the status quo of the current state of gear by either -sharing the wealth of gear access beyond what your toyroom boundaries or helping other improve their gear acquisitions- the discourse and direction of this thread is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone.
(The point is USA and European made Electric guitars are better than Japanese made guitars but Japanese made guitars are preferable to others.)
talk is cheap -showing people what you have is fine but not improving the state of things beyond letting people see, try and yearn for what you have is not helpful. ok, they tried your gear and "learned" more -cool story- fact is, they still have to go home to what they've got; they can learn all they want but lets face it, not everyone can afford the gear you have. its nice to test drive a ferrari and know it is out there and what it feels like but at the end of the day unless you can afford the $400K price tag, the regular joe will go home to whatever conventional car fits their budget.
(They don't have to yearn for what I have because they are NOT for SALE. LETS GET TO THE ISSUE SA LAHAT NG NAGAGALIT: TONE BA KAYO O BUDGET ANG NAUUNA? KASI KUNG TONE KAYO, WALA MUNA CONSTRAINT NG BUDGET DI BA? TAPOS KUNG MAY BUDGET NA, IBA NA NAMAN ANG MAGANDA.)
i suggest this thread be closed because unless firemodel starts giving away lessons, gigs more than any musician in the Metro Manila area doing clinics, hands out free gear or rents out his equipment to bring the state of gear in the Phils to a new state of enlightenment, not many people are getting much out of what is being written here.
(Suggest ko bumalik ka na ng Pinas at magbayad ng Taxes dito. Para kang nang Kano na pretending to be Pinoy na wala naman binibigay sa Pinas. YOU TRY TO BE NATIONALISTIC OVER THERE.)
PS. I am all for tone parties and sharing info -sans the hate that is being encouraged by this thread. stuff like this is just getting soooooo old. blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: hiskoolstudes on March 30, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
I don't think that MIJ sucks, it's just different.
I'm happy with my fender, fender mij and fender copies
although i'm talking about basses
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: spetsnaz1123 on March 30, 2012, 06:18:03 PM
not possible. if i remember correctly (and this is a paraphrase), he replied to someone asking about this saying that he can't play because he chose not to play.
he is just saying that because he cant really buy talent but if he could i am sure he will...who wouldnt?... and if there such a thing I myself would save up and buy an MIA talent hehehe :-P...MIJ talent sucks :lol:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: freemansj on March 30, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
he is just saying that because he cant really buy talent but if he could i am sure he will...who wouldnt?... and if there such a thing I myself would save up and buy an MIA talent hehehe :-P...MIJ talent sucks :lol:
Hahahaha!!! :-P
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: pitongjerome on March 30, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
Alam mo Nong? Now I undertand why people who watch your band enjoy. KASI LIBRE AT WALANG COVER CHARGE. Subukan mo mag charge ng P1000 gate fee per head. Tingnan natin kung mag-enjoy pa sila. I would say that at the level of your band, you guys are worth the P200-P400 cover charge and I would gladly pay P400 BUT... There is room for improvement and thats why you need un-solicted advice kasi baka panay fan boys/cheer leading squad/hakot (3 of them) mo lang ang pinapakinggan mo.
P.S. Medyo OT but this guy should be put into place too.
I don't know if you probably noticed why the band next door has more listeners than your band. Well, kasi hindi pa kayong kasing galing ng akala mo. Sa iyo na rin.
Quoting to express how these are totally uncalled for. Yung mga bagong kaibigan diyan ni Alex, I'd like to request that you either justify this, or ask him to tone it down. Other members get penalized by moderators for far less.
P.S. By saying the this guy should be put into place too, you are therefore admitting that you are out of line.
It's not a matter of pride. It's about respect and decorum.
damn. thats cold as ice. it'd be best keeping your opinions to yourself, man. the way this thread is going, its not really serving any constructive purpose except you telling people what they can afford sucks and unless they hope/buy/hock past what they can afford, they ain't ever going to amount to much. i've got some pretty pricey stuff but i'll be damned if I walked out to a gig, pulled out my Greenfield and told the guy using a Yamaha that he should think twice about what he knows because his tone sucks, his gear sucks which translates to him being a bad musician for entertaining subpar equipment. i love music and good music thrives on creativity as much as it does on respect -don't hate so much. hating doesn't help you, the scene or the point you are trying to make.
don't care how you express what you think because we've ALL read enough of your posts but this is pretty harsh. if you ask me, unless you can contribute to improve the status quo of the current state of gear by either -sharing the wealth of gear access beyond what your toyroom boundaries or helping other improve their gear acquisitions- the discourse and direction of this thread is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone.
talk is cheap -showing people what you have is fine but not improving the state of things beyond letting people see, try and yearn for what you have is not helpful. ok, they tried your gear and "learned" more -cool story- fact is, they still have to go home to what they've got; they can learn all they want but lets face it, not everyone can afford the gear you have. its nice to test drive a ferrari and know it is out there and what it feels like but at the end of the day unless you can afford the $400K price tag, the regular joe will go home to whatever conventional car fits their budget.
i suggest this thread be closed because unless firemodel starts giving away lessons, gigs more than any musician in the Metro Manila area doing clinics, hands out free gear or rents out his equipment to bring the state of gear in the Phils to a new state of enlightenment, not many people are getting much out of what is being written here.
PS. I am all for tone parties and sharing info -sans the hate that is being encouraged by this thread. stuff like this is just getting soooooo old. blah blah blah.
Quoting to express my total agreement. It's hard for me to understand how others are turning a blind eye on this.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Rmansh on March 30, 2012, 11:05:50 PM
^ i like your trashcan :idea:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: guitarbrat on March 31, 2012, 04:18:18 AM
(Its an opinion about his gig and if you read my opinon again, there were positive things said and areas for improvement. Gigging musician di ba? So, I wanted to hear the superiority of the gigging musician. I would NOT say that they are on that level of creativity yet. NOR would I consider them at the TOP.)
(The point is USA and European made Electric guitars are better than Japanese made guitars but Japanese made guitars are preferable to others.)
(They don't have to yearn for what I have because they are NOT for SALE. LETS GET TO THE ISSUE SA LAHAT NG NAGAGALIT: TONE BA KAYO O BUDGET ANG NAUUNA? KASI KUNG TONE KAYO, WALA MUNA CONSTRAINT NG BUDGET DI BA? TAPOS KUNG MAY BUDGET NA, IBA NA NAMAN ANG MAGANDA.)
(Suggest ko bumalik ka na ng Pinas at magbayad ng Taxes dito. Para kang nang Kano na pretending to be Pinoy na wala naman binibigay sa Pinas. YOU TRY TO BE NATIONALISTIC OVER THERE.)
1. opinions are ok. your delivery and tact leaves a lot to be desired. if you don't see anything wrong with how you did it then you're dense. it doesn't take a grown person to know there are better ways of delivering opinions.
2. your opinion which is fine, everyone's brain works in a different way -yours obviously has more magical dust in it than others.
3. of course budget comes first and then you buy what you can with those limitations. similarly, not everyone's budget is the same, otherwise everyone would have the same gear. duh. you try and project altruism but your delivery on the thoughts doesn't sell it. you need a better way of spreading your word without making as many enemies. i mean, are you trying to talk gear or trying to gain enemies? from the looks of it you are doing a better job doing one over another.
4. wait, wait, haha -where did this come from? anyway, i will humor you:
A) supporting knowledge in a scene requires no geographical placement. i happen to be posting in Philmusic to share what i know with Pinoys because i buy Pinoy music when I can and I like Pinoy music. its that simple.
B) why would i go back? i can be nationalistic overseas and I am quite proud of my Pinoy lineage. i buy the music, i share info if i can and see Pinoy bands when they make it overseas if I've got the time to do so. i haven't the slightest idea why you think i need to go back home pay taxes in order to legitimize my support of the scene. that is just weird. i grew up and live overseas, why would I go back and pay taxes? moreover, how does that apply to supporting a music scene? this is a forum and i share info like everyone else. my gear is similar to yours and other folks on here. i don't need to transplant myself to support those that make the scene work -the musicians themselves. umm..sharing info: that is what the internets is for in case you havent noticed.
the Philippine music scene doesn't need me -you've got enough capable, talented and dedicated musicians schlepping it out on the town every day of the week with gear you think are inferior to what you have in your room! the local musicians in your city are making the music and improving the scene so talk to THEM -the movers and shakers of the local music instead of me. the statements you've made affects them the most based on the responses to this thread.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 04:50:18 AM
Quoting to express my total agreement. It's hard for me to understand how others are turning a blind eye on this.
the indifference may be bred from people not caring at all. not many people like being confrontational, especially if it doesn't benefit an improvement to their situation which is my main point in a reply.
the other explanation: people like a d@mn good show. and this -is a d@mn good show.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: siore on March 31, 2012, 05:34:10 AM
the other explanation: people like a d@mn good show. and this -is a d@mn good show.
The only probable explanation why he's still here. Just look at the views count. Makes for good traffic to the forum. I agree a few guys do get penalized for far lighter infractions.
Also, there are other forum guys who have great gear and better inspire people to reach for it. I might even go further to say they tend to lurk more and let the firestorm pass over, not posting anything constructive or useful, whenever fm55 is here. He just takes up too much space.
To add, coming forward as a douchebag extraordinaire and expecting people to change is an insult to the community. Sayang naman, if people really want to change their gear situation for the bettter, or if other gearheads want to share their own tonequests and genuine professional gear advice. People with better gear (and ears) than fm55. All he's doing right now is provide and promote (just look at the animosity we tend to have against each other when he posts) negative energy and drive those people with good intentions away. It's bad karma and I hope it's better dealt with.
Sorry I know some of you got to be close friends with Alex over the years. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but the forum counterpart leaves a lot to be desired. I think it sucks (not by much though).
Would rather not post to his threads anyway (as I suggested earlier) and let it die in a forum desert somewhere, but seeing as this one has run the full course, guess another one won't hurt.
There are better people to ask about MIJ guitars. And even if they avoid them like the plague, they're generally nicer.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 06:55:30 AM
The only probable explanation why he's still here. Just look at the views count. Makes for good traffic to the forum. I agree a few guys do get penalized for far lighter infractions.
(Let me correct you there... In no way do the administrators grant me any favors. Take note that despite unprovoked personal attacks on me, other forum members are not reprimanded for it. For example, in this thread alone you called me a douchebag and I never personally attacked you on this thread.)
Also, there are other forum guys who have great gear and better inspire people to reach for it. I might even go further to say they tend to lurk more and let the firestorm pass over, not posting anything constructive or useful, whenever fm55 is here. He just takes up too much space.
(There is a difference. I don't just inspire people to get better gear. I can teach them how to find the magical ones. Oh believe me, I can take up more space if I wanted too. In fact, there are other people here on this forum who start insignificant topics more than I.)
To add, coming forward as a douchebag extraordinaire and expecting people to change is an insult to the community. Sayang naman, if people really want to change their gear situation for the bettter, or if other gearheads want to share their own tonequests and genuine professional gear advice. People with better gear (and ears) than fm55. All he's doing right now is provide and promote (just look at the animosity we tend to have against each other when he posts) negative energy and drive those people with good intentions away. It's bad karma and I hope it's better dealt with.
(What is your basis for saying they have better ears? Pumunta ka na ba dito para subukan ang gamit ko?)
Sorry I know some of you got to be close friends with Alex over the years. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but the forum counterpart leaves a lot to be desired. I think it sucks (not by much though).
Would rather not post to his threads anyway (as I suggested earlier) and let it die in a forum desert somewhere, but seeing as this one has run the full course, guess another one won't hurt.
There are better people to ask about MIJ guitars. And even if they avoid them like the plague, they're generally nicer.
(I think you also leave a lot to be desired for bias. And I am saying that MIA is 'generally' nicer. And you can ask better and more knowledgeable people than me in the United States. Better yet compare a MIJ with an American Standard in terms of quality and workmanship.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 07:08:18 AM
1. opinions are ok. your delivery and tact leaves a lot to be desired. if you don't see anything wrong with how you did it then you're dense. it doesn't take a grown person to know there are better ways of delivering opinions.
(Its a tact that should provoke 'feel good pinoys' and intimidate those who pretend to know but don't. You are so far removed from the Philippines that you don't even know the way people work here.)
2. your opinion which is fine, everyone's brain works in a different way -yours obviously has more magical dust in it than others.
(Thats you problem. You have too much brain work and NOT enough heart. I am starting to doubt that you know how to evaluate guitars despite your experience. I can't blame you. Some just can't hear.)
3. of course budget comes first and then you buy what you can with those limitations. similarly, not everyone's budget is the same, otherwise everyone would have the same gear. duh. you try and project altruism but your delivery on the thoughts doesn't sell it. you need a better way of spreading your word without making as many enemies. i mean, are you trying to talk gear or trying to gain enemies? from the looks of it you are doing a better job doing one over another.
(Good at least you admit. In my case, the budget does not come first. Its secondary. In the Philippines, if you are a man of principle, you make BOTH friends and enemies. You really have no idea what it is to live here. )
4. wait, wait, haha -where did this come from? anyway, i will humor you:
A) supporting knowledge in a scene requires no geographical placement. i happen to be posting in Philmusic to share what i know with Pinoys because i buy Pinoy music when I can and I like Pinoy music. its that simple.
(Voyeaur ka lang pala. I do not doubt that you know things but I doubt your ability to hear.)
2) why would i go back? for you? i can be nationalistic overseas and I am quite proud of my Pinoy lineage. i buy the music, i share info if i can and see Pinoy bands when they make it overseas if I've got the time to do so. i haven't the slightest idea why you think i need to go back home pay taxes in order to legitimize my support of the scene. that is just weird. i grew up and live overseas, why would I go back and pay taxes? moreover, how does that apply to supporting a music scene? this is a forum and i share info like everyone else. my gear is similar to yours and other folks on here. i don't need to transplant myself to support those that make the scene work -the musicians themselves. umm..sharing info: that is what the internets is for in case you havent noticed. if i had a reason to like family and business investments, i would -sure-but the situation doesn't apply to me so yeah..i'll pass on moving. i've moved from one continent to another, twice, and it blows.
(You are NOT nationalistic. You are pragmatic. Leave it at that. If you were nationalistic, you would have the cajones to come back and settle here. )
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 07:20:20 AM
(You are NOT nationalistic. You are pragmatic. Leave it at that. If you were nationalistic, you would have the cajones to come back and settle here. )
pragmatic isn't a bad thing and something many people deal with on an everyday basis. in fact, you should have tried thinking more along its lines before making your posts.
nationalism doesn't dictate that i uproot where I grew up and establish a career path to suit one person's view on its definition. i can be proud of being Pinoy but i need to deal with reality as well. last time i checked, nationalism had no geographical boundaries AND did not involve cajones. thanks for the Civics lesson, you tried, but....no.
i'd offer a rebuttal for your responses but I...just can't. honestly, i am quite dumbfounded. the stories i have heard from people you've interacted with are true -you are quite the character.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: officebiker on March 31, 2012, 07:27:30 AM
This has thurned into a war between the Elite Ruling Class vs. the Working Class. :lol:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: kurtseth on March 31, 2012, 07:38:38 AM
as far as opinions go we can always point people to the right direction and to ask them to take the opinions with a grain of salt would also entail tact on our part. words that are presented in the less tactful manner are going to get reactions that are less than what we desire..
regardless of how we mean well and all, if we cant term it in a way that would be appealing to the people we are trying to spread the word to.. all would be moot...not that we should sugarcoat all i can say is there are a hundred ways that we can say things..
its what we say and how we say that would help in spreading the message(tonewise or whatnot)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 07:41:50 AM
This has thurned into a war between the Elite Ruling Class vs. the Working Class. :lol:
(In my case, the budget does not come first. Its secondary. In the Philippines, if you are a man of principle, you make BOTH friends and enemies. You really have no idea what it is to live here. )
you said it. as an avid spectator of this thread, the replies are chockfull of magical gems of wisdom , namely the phrase in bold:
if FM really knows how things were in the Phils, one would think that he'd have been more sensitive to variation in situations from person to person. yet that perspective doesn't show -doesn't it? its sad to see people being vilified for supporting and speaking up for what they can afford and can use well every day of the week making music.
oh well.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 07:57:07 AM
you said it. as an avid spectator of this thread, the replies are chockfull of magical gems of wisdom , namely the phrase in bold:
if FM really knows how things were in the Phils, one would think that he'd have been more sensitive to variation in situations from person to person. yet that perspective doesn't show -doesn't it? its sad to see people being vilified for supporting and speaking up for what they can afford and can use well every day of the week making music.
oh well.
You are really out of touch. Sensitive is what Filipinos are full of. Its a weakness because they have too much of it. It just displays your condescending and patronizing attitude being over there.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
You are really out of touch. Sensitive is what Filipinos are full of. Its a weakness because they have too much of it. It just displays your condescending and patronizing attitude being over there.
sigh. you misunderstand the usage of the term in the context.
you being "sensitive" means to be empathetic, to relate to or have an understanding of another. i meant this definition. as in when a chick says they like a guy who is sensitive to how they feel. like "chicks" as in women -the ones with the XX chromosomes, smell good and have breasts -not the stuff you eat in balut or lays eggs for Easter eggs n stuff.
Pinoys might be sensitive, probably -who isn't? unless you have no limbic system or relish being an @sshole or a d*ck, you should have the capacity for sensitivity. i am out of touch with Pinas in some aspects (that I admit because, afterall, I AM in a different continent) but not with the reality being addressed in this thread, man.
wow -condescending and patronizing? such words coming from the guy who just sh*t on a majority of gigging musicians on this thread too! 17 pages worth! absolutely lovely.
here is my effort to divert this thread to the original topic: -MIJ guitars don't suck but like guitars from other countries, you have to try em out. -MIJ just like many MIA guitars have the potential to be great, you have to try them out. -magical guitars are subjective, just like unicorns. if a person says they hear magical stuff -i'd believe em -maybe. when a psyche patient tells me they see a leprechaun and hear voices -i am pretty sure i'm not the one needing behavior modulating drugs but i'd believe em -maybe. these two situations are similar because they are relative. -Maria Ozawa doesn't suck...like in a bad way. she is a fine lady. -i like hot JAV actresses....that don't whine....as much
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
sigh. you misunderstand the usage of the term in the context.
you being "sensitive" means to be empathetic, to relate to or have an understanding of another. i meant this definition. as in when a chick says they like a guy who is sensitive to how they feel. like "chicks" as in women -the ones with the XX chromosomes, smell good and have breasts -not the stuff you eat in balut or lays eggs for Easter eggs n stuff.
(Sobrang emphathy nga ang tabok ng pinas. Kulang sa performance and what counts to solve problems.)
Pinoys might be sensitive, probably -who isn't? unless you have no limbic system or relish being an @sshole or a d*ck, you should have the capacity for sensitivity. i am out of touch with Pinas in some aspects (that I admit because, afterall, I AM in a different continent) but not with the reality being addressed in this thread, man.
(The reality is generally and in most cases that deliver the goods, you get more for what you pay more for.)
wow -condescending and patronizing? such words coming from the guy who just sh*t on a majority of gigging musicians on this thread too! 17 pages worth! absolutely lovely.
(Its a review and he invited.)
here is my effort to divert this thread to the original topic: -MIJ guitars don't suck but like guitars from other countries, you have to try em out. (MIJ is better than the others except MIA and Made in Europe.) -MIJ just like many MIA guitars have the potential to be great, you have to try them out. (Yes they have potential but MIA has better potential.) -magical guitars are subjective, just like unicorns. if a person says they hear magical stuff -i'd believe em -maybe. when a psyche patient tells me they see a leprechaun and hear voices -i am pretty sure i'm not the one needing behavior modulating drugs but i'd believe em -maybe. these two situations are similar because they are relative. (Well clearly this cannot hear or feel. But I cannot blame him because magical guitars are pretty rare.) -Maria Ozawa doesn't suck. -i like hot JAV actresses....that don't whine....as much
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
(Sobrang emphathy nga ang tabok ng pinas. Kulang sa performance and what counts to solve problems.)
(The reality is generally and in most cases that deliver the goods, you get more for what you pay more for.)
(Its a review and he invited.)
1. that is the way it is so you gotta roll with the punches to get stuff done instead of being so combative.
2. of course, there is always going to be a premium for room to grow if you you can pay the price of admission. for some the price is steeper than others. all i am saying is, if that is all they can afford let em be because there is no need to need for belittling. you can point info in a nice way and its def the better way to do stuff.
oh yeah, i called and talked to Cliff this morning for a GY build. how long did yours take from payment to delivery? I talked to him about very specific things i wanted on the 335 and the 59 for a quote. i talked to some of the TGP/TDPRI guys and i've received nothing but glowing feedback to my questions.
3. that is fine. maybe you didn't need to come out swinging as much. heck, there was less exchange of info as much as sh*t talking invloved.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
1. that is the way it is so you gotta roll with the punches to get stuff done instead of being so combative.
(Actually, less combative na ako nowadays.)
2. of course, there is always going to be a premium for room to grow if you you can pay the price of admission. for some the price is steeper than others. all i am saying is, if that is all they can afford let em be because there is no need to need for belittling. you can point info in a nice way and its def the better way to do stuff.
(Agree with you but you see there are some people here who think they are the same at makulit. Kaya kung minsan kailangan sabihin ng diretso at nakaka shock.)
oh yeah, i called and talked to Cliff this morning for a GY build. how long did yours take from payment to delivery? I talked to him about very specific things i wanted on the 335 and the 59 for a quote.
(I went straight to Gil. Last I checked an LP Build might be about 18 months plus or minus from first the first deposit. And another 2-3 months from start of build. With the specific things you want, best to talk to Gil via email para makuha mo ang perspective niya.)
3. that is fine. maybe you didn't need to come out swinging as much. heck, there was less exchange of info as much as sh*t talking invloved.
(I did try to qualify the body of context. If you go back on the thread, it shows that I had good things to say about Japanese made stuff.)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
the thread is too long haha. as long as people use the guitars and give em a fair shot -wherever they are from, that is really all i am interested in. there are a lot of budgets to deal with -people just need to work with the best that they can get so they can play -play for fun, play for money, play for beer, whatever.
I might just do that. I am on the build cue for late 2013/2014, i think. things are fluid from what I understand. I will be talking to Cliff anyway so I'll run it by him and proceed from there with Gil. i don't need a ton done, just small nuances that i insist to get me comfortable on an instrument.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 31, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
This has thurned into a war between the Elite Ruling Class vs. the Working Class. :lol:
I think when it comes to music there are no elites and working class... its pretty much the same, every one can own a tone, even blind guitar players in the streets of Avenida can have his own tone. tone is for everyone. not just for rich people nor for persons who just play in sidewalks.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 31, 2012, 11:45:07 AM
Pfft... Alex you know the problem? You're an audiophile trapped in a guitarplayer's body. An audiophile invests on equipment, listens and shoots every lack in detail in what he hears. On the other hand, a guitarplayer invests on equipment but must attain a certain level of control over his equipment. At the end of the day, an audiophile can invest gazillions on equipment to the limit of reaching his 'hearing' requirements, while a guitarplayer's skills can compensate for whatever flaws his equipment have - and there is no UNIVERSAL limit to that. Even a Pignose amp and an MIJ strat is not totally useless - it just must call for a musical situation that requires that rig.
BTT: Custom Shop MIJs are still left to be heard.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: ianhisoka47 on March 31, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
I think when it comes to music there are no elites and working class... its pretty much the same, every one can own a tone, even blind guitar players in the streets of Avenida can have his own tone. tone is for everyone. not just for rich people nor for persons who just play in sidewalks.
I was referring to the thread not to music in general.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: vhunter on March 31, 2012, 12:53:23 PM
oh yeah, i called and talked to Cliff this morning for a GY build. how long did yours take from payment to delivery? I talked to him about very specific things i wanted on the 335 and the 59 for a quote. i talked to some of the TGP/TDPRI guys and i've received nothing but glowing feedback to my questions.
Do it! They're fine instruments. I put the DP in July 2011 I'm for build on Aug 2012. Since the economy isn't so good, I can imagine the line shortening. Therer was on for sale for a reasonable price at MLPF before.. do a search there. Good luck! YOULL LOVE IT! hahaha
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 02:07:57 PM
ooops! hehe, senysa na, i had to check this thread for the better responses from more than better people.. as i was told. :-D
Better have your friends inform philmusic when you move up to fridays at the roadhouse.... oh wait, thats not gonna happen til they replace their current singer with Butch permanently AND take out that bad sounding fuzz.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: firemodel55 on March 31, 2012, 02:09:37 PM
Pfft... Alex you know the problem? You're an audiophile trapped in a guitarplayer's body. An audiophile invests on equipment, listens and shoots every lack in detail in what he hears. On the other hand, a guitarplayer invests on equipment but must attain a certain level of control over his equipment. At the end of the day, an audiophile can invest gazillions on equipment to the limit of reaching his 'hearing' requirements, while a guitarplayer's skills can compensate for whatever flaws his equipment have - and there is no UNIVERSAL limit to that. Even a Pignose amp and an MIJ strat is not totally useless - it just must call for a musical situation that requires that rig.
BTT: Custom Shop MIJs are still left to be heard.
Skunky,
You have known me all these years yet you have never tested my guitars. If you test my guitars, you will understand that its not just timbre that I am looking for; its MAGIC. I was planning to invite you when the Bruno Super 100 arrives then I will teach you how to select guitars.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: Roy Pigdester on March 31, 2012, 02:37:32 PM
The best way to settle this is through a tone EB. Because at the rate things are going, I'm looking at a locked thread.
The working class extolling the values of their affordable, yet reliable guitars and amps, versus the Alex class extolling the values and hiyaw of his expensive Bakers and Suhrs played through Soldanos and Diezels. As a retired troll and part-time forum cop, I'd gladly put you all under arrest for disturbing the peace on GC, but I'm going to cut everyone some slack and suggest an open tone EB so this argument could be put to rest once and for all. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: indiemaxx on March 31, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
^ taralets.... :wink:
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
Do it! They're fine instruments. I put the DP in July 2011 I'm for build on Aug 2012. Since the economy isn't so good, I can imagine the line shortening. Therer was on for sale for a reasonable price at MLPF before.. do a search there. Good luck! YOULL LOVE IT! hahaha
so i've heard:) thanks for the info, Miks. Cliff told me that the deposit-delivery time is 2013-2014 with wiggle room to spare. i'm talking to him, Monday again so i'll make sure to get on the list. it works for me if i get the thing around the spring/summer anyway. nothing like summer gigs to break the things in.
i tried a couple of his guitars which got me thinking in the first place but i wasn't ready to pull the trigger. i have a couple old 335s that i love but they are really temperamental with weather, especially with the f*cked up weather the midwest and east coast has been having lately. its been making my mahogany necks behave like linguine. i have a vintage LP as well but there are some things about it that I wish I could have.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
of my two ESP custom shops, my viper was made in Japan and I love it. it was made and ordered well before the shape was brought to the US and its made pretty darn well. i can't say anything "magical" about the thing except that it does what it should and performs in a very, very consistent way. i have caparisons too but they're not a custom shop. the build is similar and works great.
overall i'd say custom shop MIJs are pretty good and i am sure there are a few Pinoy guys who have em considering how close y'all are to HK and Japan. i'd imagine a few are lurking around Manila if you look and ask around to see one in the flesh.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 31, 2012, 03:08:41 PM
You have known me all these years yet you have never tested my guitars. If you test my guitars, you will understand that its not just timbre that I am looking for; its MAGIC. I was planning to invite you when the Bruno Super 100 arrives then I will teach you how to select guitars.
I cannot discount the fact that your methods for selection are true, but what is the point in selecting 1 guitar off a hundred in the bestestest music store in the world, if I can only afford, a Fender Standard Strat? While there is a possibility that that one guitar may not be as expensive as the custom shop models, I still think it is ridiculous to invest on something you won't earn money from significantly. Just fyi, I've tried both of your Bakers and your Suhr Modern and you compared them to a Yamano-selected Gibson Les Paul. The Baker with humbuckers was great, but I found the one with triple P90s a bit, meh. The Suhr Modern was also very responsive considering it had a Floyd Rose Bridge but then it made me think, imagine if it had a standard trem.
And after numerous tests with your amps and guitars, what I realized is that, the 'magic' you keep talking about may not be magic for some people. Some either just don't care, or have hearing disabilities, or are just after plain economics.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
And after numerous tests with your amps and guitars, what I realized is that, the 'magic' you keep talking about may not be magic for some people. Some either just don't care, or have hearing disabilities, or are just after plain economics.
def feasible.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: siore on March 31, 2012, 05:01:25 PM
Let me correct you there... In no way do the administrators grant me any favors. Take note that despite unprovoked personal attacks on me, other forum members are not reprimanded for it. For example, in this thread alone you called me a douchebag and I never personally attacked you on this thread.
Let me clear that I didn't call you that. I used that to state a point. Apologies if that offended you. What I'm trying to get across is that being a blunt and rusty hammer doesn't work well, both for achieving an objective and motivating other people to follow your woodwork. I never attacked you personally, unless you quote me out of context, and outside the gist of the main message. You can carry on with your ways, but people should know there are lots of other ways to bring your experience to the table while still fostering goodwill. Your message may be good, but your delivery should never be tolerated, but that's just an opinion; it's always up to our good admin what type of environment they want to have here at GC.
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What is your basis for saying they have better ears? Pumunta ka na ba dito para subukan ang gamit ko?
Like I said, you seem to be a cool guy, and a lot of people who came to you personally seem to always attest to that. I do not undermine your hearing capabilities. But to say you're unique is plain BS. Out of the millions of Filipinos, you're trying to tell us no one can tell tone better than you? Statistically, it's not in your favor.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: elfenliedagain on March 31, 2012, 05:12:33 PM
Pfft... Alex you know the problem? You're an audiophile trapped in a guitarplayer's body. An audiophile invests on equipment, listens and shoots every lack in detail in what he hears.
in this, I believe. ^-^
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: abyssinianson on March 31, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
An audiophile invests on equipment, listens and shoots every lack in detail in what he hears. On the other hand, a guitarplayer invests on equipment but must attain a certain level of control over his equipment.
very true. i consider myself an audiophile but the stuff gets silly, i openly admit. i love my audiophile speakers but i dread going to stores that sell em because the talk gets way to snobbish.
anyhow, what you say over control and mastery is spot on. it helps control GAS attack -at least for me -because i have to ask myself how different i am going to be by adding yet another piece of equipment. i am no collector and my guitars don't sit in cases not seeing the light of day. they get beat up and used and even then it takes me a while to get used to them while i am working hard trying to play better than I did before. i dont believe i can ever top out because i learn something new all the time. equal parts exciting and frustrating, the process of learning and playing music is fun - which keeps me learning and playing just t see how far i can go:)
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: mahavishnu on March 31, 2012, 06:20:55 PM
Funny you mentioned this, on a slightly ot topic, i was hanging out at wiredstate.com when i needed someone to check on my tube amp. During that time, raul q was mia. I found this audiophile/amp tech. He asked "tube amp for a guitar? But guitars are low in fidelity, lower than tape and vinyl, so whats the point?" i said just like in any hobby, theres corksniffing and GAS. While audiophiles will cringe at the slightest distortion, we find musicality and harmonics in the clipping. I added, Same goes with your sonus faber, i doubt it will sound good on a simple 5e3 tweed clone. Lots of blindtests have challenged the goldenears in the audiophile world and rendered some ears questionable, but it never stopped them from gassing and acquiring much more expensive high fidelity setups.
Pfft... Alex you know the problem? You're an audiophile trapped in a guitarplayer's body. An audiophile invests on equipment, listens and shoots every lack in detail in what he hears. On the other hand, a guitarplayer invests on equipment but must attain a certain level of control over his equipment. At the end of the day, an audiophile can invest gazillions on equipment to the limit of reaching his 'hearing' requirements, while a guitarplayer's skills can compensate for whatever flaws his equipment have - and there is no UNIVERSAL limit to that. Even a Pignose amp and an MIJ strat is not totally useless - it just must call for a musical situation that requires that rig.
BTT: Custom Shop MIJs are still left to be heard.
Title: Re: Why I think MIJ Sucks (Not that much though LOL)
Post by: the_Nong on March 31, 2012, 09:59:08 PM
Better have your friends inform philmusic when you move up to fridays at the roadhouse.... oh wait, thats not gonna happen til they replace their current singer with Butch permanently AND take out that bad sounding fuzz.
hahahahahahahaha.. funny guy, but i feel sorry for you..
Title: I'M SORRY...I CAN"T STAND IT ANYMORE
Post by: spacecaptain on April 01, 2012, 01:55:09 AM
IM SORRY... ICANT STAND IT ANYMORE....
(I got a few clips from this thread...firemodel55 to be exact)
Sa bahay ko... Saan pa. Ikaw saan mo gagamitin? Sa local club o gig na mababa ang standard sa P.A., na maliit ang bayad, na halos hindi napupuntahan, na most of the time maliit ang budget/o wala at expected pa maghakot ng mga manonood.
SAN GAGAMITIN? firemodel55!!! Dude....what will you do with all the guitars and amps that you've been bragging about? Last time I checked...these thinks were created for the purpose of making music....MUSIC...not to feed and boost your EGO.
There is one difference -- I can hear better than others and more importantly I can FEEL the character and magic of instruments which leads me to believe that you cannot despite your experience. Statements like yours betray your inexperience in selecting great sounding guitars. I apologize for being personal but I am NOT taking this [gooey brown stuff] from you ANYMORE given that you have NOT tried my gear nor have you brought your gear for comparison.
Take this viewpoint firemodel!!! how can you say that you can feel the CHARACTER, FEEL and MAGIC of guitars? I'm sure any one in this world would drool over the gear you have been proudly bragging to us mortals.....but why should we listen to you? You can hear better than others? Are you serious? If you're really all that your are bragging about, then your “talents” should be one that would be drooled over by record companies, independent labels and music acts that are looking for hot session musicians to “improve” their live sound. From what ive been reading, you cant play the crap out of your magical guitars and expensive amps. Seems like your overcompensating for something dude. Seriously.
1. Magic can be heard. 2. A magical guitar stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead. 3. Yes you are doomed not because you aren't able to quantify but because there are so few magical instruments. 4. I encourage trial because thats how I learnt but if you want to take the short cuts, I am just a call away. 5. I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record.
magical guitar stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead? Where's your inspiration? Show us...LET ME HEAR!!!
I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record? <Lets take for granted that you can make better tones than the records(for granted ha!!) seems like your EQUIPMENT can...but YOU cant....I'M POSITIVE of it.
Its hard to explain, its just talent. I can't play because I choose NOT to play. Since I am just a hobbyist and I have plenty of other things to do, I just do guitar for fun.< words of someone whos overcompensating for something.
Depends if they are deaf. Kung panay multi FX lang di wala rin. I guess it depends on the recording equipment but most of the magic happens to you and the sound coming out of your set up. So, I don't give a damn about recording equipment. Its the engineers job to find some way to capture it. Actually, somebody told me that may set up is ENOUGH to crush every bar in Manila. I can if I want to beat the drums in terms of loudness and can really fill the room with great sounding guitar. But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year. <eto puro yabang nlang to....YABANG!!! PURO WENTO...WALA WENTA!
But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year.< you really must suck at music man.... for someone who seems passionate about tone, I cant get over how much disrespect you can have for gigging miscicians. But also keep in mind that ALL OUR IDOS ARE GIGGING MISCICIANS....them i'd listen banter....do you really think these guys had all the gear they use now when they were starting? I dont thinks so....the all had to go though stingy bars, filthy restrooms, unpaid bartabs, and unsure payments from their gigs, that's what gave the character. Now we all look up to them and have the priveledge to endorse whatever musical manufacturer they choose (something you would never understand, coz you dont even have the talent to play in a bar)....YOU BUY YOUR STUFF TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL GOOD and feed that planet sized ego of yours.
At bakit? Totoo naman maraming gigging musicians ang panget na tunog sa opinion ko. Iyan na naman ang gigging musician ay mas magaling. Parang hindi kay nag graduate sa recording artist. Sana man kung recording artist ka ngayon, bumebenta ka sana kasi mga Pinoy hindi marunong bumili ng legal na CD para pakainin ka. This I really cant tolerate...if you'd have half a brain in that thing you call your head...you'd understand that music is a freedom of expression...it's how real muscicians communicate...through music....tone and gear are not the focus...MUSIC...REAL MUSIC...your viewpoint is that of a POSER. A BIG ONE.
GEEZ!!! I really dont get you man...all you've really proven is that you're a braggart...all you talk about is how good your amps and guitars are and how much every penny they're worth....that's all!
All I really got from your words is that MAHAL GAMIT KO!!! MAHAL BILI KO DITO!!! MAGALING AKO MAMILI NG GAMIT!!!KAYA MAGANDA TONE KO!!!...MISMO....ang pinagyayabang mo ay iyong gamit....saludo ako sa gamit mo pare...no denying that. But these are instruments for making music....not for bragging....MUSIC...NOT SKILL..NOT TONE...ALL THESE ARE EXPONENTS OF MUSIC...they are factors but by no means all of it.
Don't you realize that people who patronize you aren't really patronizing you? It's your gear.
I have a MIJ guitar and we've been together for over two decades...i know her and she knows me...i know her inns and outs and we've share good times and bad times together and that's a lot...i have other guitars that are made in the US, and do sound considerably better. But I always have to take the old lady out once in a while to play her (coz I know she needs it) and I know se will sound as sweet as the first time I fell in love with her. MY GUITAR is MINE and mine only...no matter how you percieve the tone to be. Because I know I can make good music with her.
That's what I think of MIJ guitars man...it's for music. It really doesnt matter how much your gear is worth...i'd rather receive respect for the music I make than get it from what brand or how much my gear is worth.
Dont buy respect...earn it.
PS...i sure wish I had all your funds to afford as much stuff as you...but I wont brag about them....i wont think of gigging musicians in a degrading way...and i'll make sure i'll use the gear for music...and not just to feed my ego and talk about tone.
Title: Re: I'M SORRY...I CAN"T STAND IT ANYMORE
Post by: ianhisoka47 on April 01, 2012, 02:14:11 AM
(I got a few clips from this thread...firemodel55 to be exact)
Sa bahay ko... Saan pa. Ikaw saan mo gagamitin? Sa local club o gig na mababa ang standard sa P.A., na maliit ang bayad, na halos hindi napupuntahan, na most of the time maliit ang budget/o wala at expected pa maghakot ng mga manonood.
SAN GAGAMITIN? firemodel55!!! Dude....what will you do with all the guitars and amps that you've been bragging about? Last time I checked...these thinks were created for the purpose of making music....MUSIC...not to feed and boost your EGO.
There is one difference -- I can hear better than others and more importantly I can FEEL the character and magic of instruments which leads me to believe that you cannot despite your experience. Statements like yours betray your inexperience in selecting great sounding guitars. I apologize for being personal but I am NOT taking this [gooey brown stuff] from you ANYMORE given that you have NOT tried my gear nor have you brought your gear for comparison.
Take this viewpoint firemodel!!! how can you say that you can feel the CHARACTER, FEEL and MAGIC of guitars? I'm sure any one in this world would drool over the gear you have been proudly bragging to us mortals.....but why should we listen to you? You can hear better than others? Are you serious? If you're really all that your are bragging about, then your “talents” should be one that would be drooled over by record companies, independent labels and music acts that are looking for hot session musicians to “improve” their live sound. From what ive been reading, you cant play the crap out of your magical guitars and expensive amps. Seems like your overcompensating for something dude. Seriously.
1. Magic can be heard. 2. A magical guitar stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead. 3. Yes you are doomed not because you aren't able to quantify but because there are so few magical instruments. 4. I encourage trial because thats how I learnt but if you want to take the short cuts, I am just a call away. 5. I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record.
magical guitar stops being an instrument but becomes an inspiration instead? Where's your inspiration? Show us...LET ME HEAR!!!
I don't have a favorite recorded guitar tone (But I have favorite songs) because the tones I get with my equipment and set up sound better than what I hear on record? <Lets take for granted that you can make better tones than the records(for granted ha!!) seems like your EQUIPMENT can...but YOU cant....I'M POSITIVE of it.
Its hard to explain, its just talent. I can't play because I choose NOT to play. Since I am just a hobbyist and I have plenty of other things to do, I just do guitar for fun.< words of someone whos overcompensating for something.
Depends if they are deaf. Kung panay multi FX lang di wala rin. I guess it depends on the recording equipment but most of the magic happens to you and the sound coming out of your set up. So, I don't give a damn about recording equipment. Its the engineers job to find some way to capture it. Actually, somebody told me that may set up is ENOUGH to crush every bar in Manila. I can if I want to beat the drums in terms of loudness and can really fill the room with great sounding guitar. But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year. <eto puro yabang nlang to....YABANG!!! PURO WENTO...WALA WENTA!
But I am not committed to the gigging scene because wala naman pupuntahan iyan. It won't bring food to the table. Gigging is something people forget overnight -- I mean so what kung guitar player ka hindi ka nga tatanungin pangalan mo. I just attend gigs to spend my time with friends who play in their bands whose budget cannot even cover the cost of their equipment even if they gigged 365 days a year.< you really must suck at music man.... for someone who seems passionate about tone, I cant get over how much disrespect you can have for gigging miscicians. But also keep in mind that ALL OUR IDOS ARE GIGGING MISCICIANS....them i'd listen banter....do you really think these guys had all the gear they use now when they were starting? I dont thinks so....the all had to go though stingy bars, filthy restrooms, unpaid bartabs, and unsure payments from their gigs, that's what gave the character. Now we all look up to them and have the priveledge to endorse whatever musical manufacturer they choose (something you would never understand, coz you dont even have the talent to play in a bar)....YOU BUY YOUR STUFF TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL GOOD and feed that planet sized ego of yours.
At bakit? Totoo naman maraming gigging musicians ang panget na tunog sa opinion ko. Iyan na naman ang gigging musician ay mas magaling. Parang hindi kay nag graduate sa recording artist. Sana man kung recording artist ka ngayon, bumebenta ka sana kasi mga Pinoy hindi marunong bumili ng legal na CD para pakainin ka. This I really cant tolerate...if you'd have half a brain in that thing you call your head...you'd understand that music is a freedom of expression...it's how real muscicians communicate...through music....tone and gear are not the focus...MUSIC...REAL MUSIC...your viewpoint is that of a POSER. A BIG ONE.
GEEZ!!! I really dont get you man...all you've really proven is that you're a braggart...all you talk about is how good your amps and guitars are and how much every penny they're worth....that's all!
All I really got from your words is that MAHAL GAMIT KO!!! MAHAL BILI KO DITO!!! MAGALING AKO MAMILI NG GAMIT!!!KAYA MAGANDA TONE KO!!!...MISMO....ang pinagyayabang mo ay iyong gamit....saludo ako sa gamit mo pare...no denying that. But these are instruments for making music....not for bragging....MUSIC...NOT SKILL..NOT TONE...ALL THESE ARE EXPONENTS OF MUSIC...they are factors but by no means all of it.
Don't you realize that people who patronize you aren't really patronizing you? It's your gear.
I have a MIJ guitar and we've been together for over two decades...i know her and she knows me...i know her inns and outs and we've share good times and bad times together and that's a lot...i have other guitars that are made in the US, and do sound considerably better. But I always have to take the old lady out once in a while to play her (coz I know she needs it) and I know se will sound as sweet as the first time I fell in love with her. MY GUITAR is MINE and mine only...no matter how you percieve the tone to be. Because I know I can make good music with her.
That's what I think of MIJ guitars man...it's for music. It really doesnt matter how much your gear is worth...i'd rather receive respect for the music I make than get it from what brand or how much my gear is worth.
Dont buy respect...earn it.
PS...i sure wish I had all your funds to afford as much stuff as you...but I wont brag about them....i wont think of gigging musicians in a degrading way...and i'll make sure i'll use the gear for music...and not just to feed my ego and talk about tone.
this reply is worth reading darn gigging musicians are poor especially on gear... so what!!! at least they are expressing their music :)
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Post by: alroyT on April 01, 2012, 03:03:45 AM
Hey hey hey what's goin on here?As if I've never left :-D
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Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on April 01, 2012, 03:06:16 AM
andrama na ng thread na to hehe
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Post by: stringman on April 01, 2012, 05:38:02 AM
MIA, MIJ, MIK, MIM, MIC, MII, Made in Timbuktu....... the list goes on. It just boils down to one point, if you really are a musician, just play music irregardless and make that instrument of yours sing. Even if you have the most expensive instrument and well crafted instrument in the world and you can't make it sing, then that instrument is just a piece of junk.
JUNK>>>> Palamuti!!
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Post by: abyssinianson on April 01, 2012, 08:04:34 AM
MIA, MIJ, MIK, MIM, MIC, MII, Made in Timbuktu....... the list goes on. It just boils down to one point, if you really are a musician, just play music irregardless and make that instrument of yours sing. Even if you have the most expensive instrument and well crafted instrument in the world and you can't make it sing, then that instrument is just a piece of junk.
JUNK>>>> Palamuti!!
pretty much. hell, if Lukather says it -that should settle the argument in itself.
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Post by: trem3 on April 01, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
MIA, MIJ, MIK, MIM, MIC, MII, Made in Timbuktu....... the list goes on. It just boils down to one point, if you really are a musician, just play music irregardless and make that instrument of yours sing. Even if you have the most expensive instrument and well crafted instrument in the world and you can't make it sing, then that instrument is just a piece of junk.
JUNK>>>> Palamuti!!
At least he can make it "hiyaw"... hiyaw nga lang. no more, no less.
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Post by: prince22 on April 01, 2012, 12:11:22 PM
MIA, MIJ, MIK, MIM, MIC, MII, Made in Timbuktu....... the list goes on. It just boils down to one point, if you really are a musician, just play music irregardless and make that instrument of yours sing. Even if you have the most expensive instrument and well crafted instrument in the world and you can't make it sing, then that instrument is just a piece of junk.
JUNK>>>> Palamuti!!
\m/ AMEN \m/
it's like having a new pair of air jordans....it wont and cant make you a better ball player...bago nga at mamahalin gamit mo sa court...banko ka naman.
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Post by: tongski_02 on April 01, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
we played in a gig last night. most of the bands brought MIJ, MIC, MIM, MII, and who knows one guitar might be made in Timbuktu. only a few brought MIA. best is we all used the bar's amps which is a marshall solid state amps. but that didn't stop the bands to make music and most of all didn't hinder the guest to have an awesome time. well i guess thats the magic. we make people have fun with what ever gear we have be it MIA or MIT (timbuktu). people dont go to bars to be critical but to enjoy
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Post by: freemansj on April 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
we played in a gig last night. most of the bands brought MIJ, MIC, MIM, MII, and who knows one guitar might be maded in Timbuktu. only a few brought MIA. best is we all used the bar's amps which is a marshall solid state amps. but that didn't stop the bands to make music and most of all didn't hinder the guest to have an awesome time. well i guess thats the magic. we make people have fun with what ever gear we have be it MIA or MIT (timbuktu). people dont go to bars to be critical but to enjoy
Pasok sa banga!!! :lol:
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Post by: Bart on April 01, 2012, 02:04:47 PM
Corksniffers do that. But while they're busy sniffing each other's corks, those who remain true to what matters most are having fun and bagging chicks. :drool:
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Post by: kasoy777 on April 01, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
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Post by: elfenliedagain on April 01, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
To be fair, I'm convinced that you CAN sound better than your idols with the highest-end gear in the land and that you'll get MORE than what you paid for when it comes to the extremely boutique stuff.
But when it comes to "magic" or "hiyaw",t it must be instantly audible to the player AND the average listener otherwise, I feel, it is not worth the investment (it would be great to hear that gear in action tho :cool:).
And if ever I hear gear with "magic", siguro 1 guitar, 1 amp = TONE FOR A LIFETIME, yeah?
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Post by: ivancarlovillaruel on April 01, 2012, 03:25:47 PM
napa-bilib ako ni firemodel55 sa mga sinasabi nya, now i want to hear you play live, or maybe we could both jam, straight to the amp without no nothing, just my all stock vintage japanese fender strat and your heavenly guitar... :)
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Post by: page8six.... on April 01, 2012, 03:31:34 PM
napa-bilib ako ni firemodel55 sa mga sinasabi nya, now i want to hear you play live, or maybe we could both jam, straight to the amp without no nothing, just my all stock vintage japanese fender strat and your heavenly guitar... :)
nako bro ang dami pang nakapila, baka maghintay ka ng matagal,, ilang taon na ang dumaan wala pa akong naririning na may natuloy
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Post by: spetsnaz1123 on April 01, 2012, 03:33:18 PM
it's like having a new pair of air jordans....it wont and cant make you a better ball player...bago nga at mamahalin gamit mo sa court...banko ka naman.
^this... :wave:
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Post by: the_Nong on April 01, 2012, 03:57:03 PM
dibale bro, i'll set a prod again soon. we can to the 'showdown' there.
ang hirap kasi ng mga 'keyboard warriors' eh.. dami jan, all BARK no BITE.. haha..
hahahaha abangan ko yan kahit video nalang malamang wala pa ako sa pinas pag nangyari yan or malamang di nanaman mangyayari dahil sa mga condition na hihingiin nya na lahat eh pabor sa kanya..
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Post by: monkeypunch on April 01, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
nako bro ang dami pang nakapila, baka maghintay ka ng matagal,, ilang taon na ang dumaan wala pa akong naririning na may natuloy
malamang kaya d nagbabanda yan....ang dami kasing naka-abang na panuorin at i-crtitezise sya....gawain nya yun eh....ika nga takot sa sariling multo...anyway, i-pila nyo din ako, anong number na ba?\m/
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Post by: the_Nong on April 01, 2012, 04:48:35 PM
Corksniffers do that. But while they're busy sniffing each other's corks, those who remain true to what matters most are having fun and bagging chicks. :drool:
But we can do all of those. :lol:
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Post by: boxxed on April 01, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
I wonder if Gil Yaron moved in Japan for some particular reason, I guess his guitars would suck then. :razz:
Just teasin'... :idea:
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Post by: arkeetar on April 01, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
paulit ulit na lang hehehe
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Post by: Bolt Thrower on April 01, 2012, 08:20:20 PM
nako bro ang dami pang nakapila, baka maghintay ka ng matagal,, ilang taon na ang dumaan wala pa akong naririning na may natuloy
natutuloy naman yung iba. mga pumupunta sa bahay niya with their guitars mia, mii, mij etc. di lang nakukuwento dito. usually friendly tone shoot outs. benchmarking wank fests. and they are fun.
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Post by: page8six.... on April 01, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
natutuloy naman yung iba. mga pumupunta sa bahay niya with their guitars mia, mii, mij etc. di lang nakukuwento dito. usually friendly tone shoot outs. benchmarking wank fests. and they are fun.
Ah meron naman pala.
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Post by: los on April 02, 2012, 12:07:53 AM
lol @ gigging musicians buying crap.
I'm actually really turned off, mr. firemodel55, with the way you talk and your choice words in this thread. But It also got me really curious how these guitars you talk about sound.
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Post by: deltaslim on April 02, 2012, 01:34:02 AM
damn. thats cold as ice. it'd be best keeping your opinions to yourself, man. the way this thread is going, its not really serving any constructive purpose except you telling people what they can afford sucks and unless they hope/buy/hock past what they can afford, they ain't ever going to amount to much. i've got some pretty pricey stuff but i'll be damned if I walked out to a gig, pulled out my Greenfield and told the guy using a Yamaha that he should think twice about what he knows because his tone sucks, his gear sucks which translates to him being a bad musician for entertaining subpar equipment. i love music and good music thrives on creativity as much as it does on respect -don't hate so much. hating doesn't help you, the scene or the point you are trying to make.
don't care how you express what you think because we've ALL read enough of your posts but this is pretty harsh. if you ask me, unless you can contribute to improve the status quo of the current state of gear by either -sharing the wealth of gear access beyond what your toyroom boundaries or helping other improve their gear acquisitions- the discourse and direction of this thread is neither constructive nor helpful to anyone.
talk is cheap -showing people what you have is fine but not improving the state of things beyond letting people see, try and yearn for what you have is not helpful. ok, they tried your gear and "learned" more -cool story- fact is, they still have to go home to what they've got; they can learn all they want but lets face it, not everyone can afford the gear you have. its nice to test drive a ferrari and know it is out there and what it feels like but at the end of the day unless you can afford the $400K price tag, the regular joe will go home to whatever conventional car fits their budget.
i suggest this thread be closed because unless firemodel starts giving away lessons, gigs more than any musician in the Metro Manila area doing clinics, hands out free gear or rents out his equipment to bring the state of gear in the Phils to a new state of enlightenment, not many people are getting much out of what is being written here.
PS. I am all for tone parties and sharing info -sans the hate that is being encouraged by this thread. stuff like this is just getting soooooo old. blah blah blah.
Gotta agree with Bart, Al, and others: you hit it right on the head here.
... and on your theory on how this can continue to persist here is spot-on.
But how can we complain? "If you're not paying for it, you are not the customer; you are the product."
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Post by: mr_orange316 on April 02, 2012, 07:04:54 AM
I'd pick Jack Thammarat's Squier Classic Vibe videos over Firemodel's Baker video (yung umaano sa tenga) anyday. Jack's video just has more magic to it. :-P
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Post by: stringman on April 02, 2012, 07:18:59 AM
If I were Firemodel, I would take time off bashing other peoples gear here at Philmusic and give more time in enjoying the expensive gear and how to get the most of it. At this point, Alex finds his enjoyment by inviting musicians to try his gear and find that magic. His gears are great the way I hear it from other musicians who played on them, I couldn't help but agree. But from Alex's point of view where obviously he hasn't spent that much time to make his expensive gear sound great, it's really hard to stomach his reasoning's. I can't find him that credible.
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Post by: arkeetar on April 02, 2012, 07:29:36 AM
sabi ni jmorrero, yung baker 20x daw compare sa strat n'ya, para masabi n'ya yan ganun kaganda yung baker na yun, baker + jmorrero = BOOM! :razz:
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Post by: skunkyfunk on April 02, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
napa-bilib ako ni firemodel55 sa mga sinasabi nya, now i want to hear you play live, or maybe we could both jam, straight to the amp without no nothing, just my all stock vintage japanese fender strat and your heavenly guitar... :)
Methinks someone got butthurt.
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Post by: bendedbeam on April 02, 2012, 09:12:42 AM
Etong problema sa Philmusic-Guitar Central eh, and pinakasikat na thread is all about...
pataasan ng ihi, pagalingan, pagandahan ng gear... hindi kompetisyon ang paggigitara!
At the end of the day, being happy with what you have is most important. Whether it's worth 1k or 1M, whatever price point you can afford for as long as it keeps you playing then it's all good...
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Post by: freemansj on April 02, 2012, 09:26:23 AM
Etong problema sa Philmusic-Guitar Central eh, and pinakasikat na thread is all about...
pataasan ng ihi, pagalingan, pagandahan ng gear... hindi kompetisyon ang paggigitara!
At the end of the day, being happy with what you have is most important. Whether it's worth 1k or 1M, whatever price point you can afford for as long as it keeps you playing then it's all good...
Amen, kapatid...
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Post by: stringman on April 02, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
b) I am telling the truth and I can prove it. AND THEN you gain from my exposure AND Talent.
Wow!! :drool:
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Post by: Al_Librero on April 02, 2012, 09:38:04 AM
Lol... for sure.
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Post by: trem3 on April 02, 2012, 09:46:23 AM
baka nakabili na rin ng MIA na talent...
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Post by: tongski_02 on April 02, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
bibili din ako ng talent sa next sweldo...pero made in china lang ang kaya ko. sa xmas bonus saka na ako bibili MIA talent
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Post by: st0mpb0x_bahista on April 02, 2012, 11:03:12 AM
sa opinion ko guys hindi lahat ng magagaling mag gitara ay magagaling sa pagpili ng gears at hindi rin lahat ng magagaling mamili ng gears ay magagaling sa pag gigitara.
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Post by: Bart on April 02, 2012, 11:03:31 AM
But what if, at the end of the day, one is happier bashing people with his/her million dollar gear? :-P
That would be called trolling. Which, you know, is against the rules? Punishable by suspension or banning? By that time, the offending member should consider running a personal blog instead where he or she can bash to his or her heart's desire.