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The Music Forums => The Rock Music Board => Topic started by: phoenix_rising on July 02, 2012, 09:15:57 AM
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How come fuseboxx always gets bumped off the line-up?
This is a common thing to us (you can probably call it a prog band's fate) and we are aware that this happens to other bands as well.
It's just strange that it happened to us in our last 3 gigs. We really don't mind playing last , or even after the main act, as long as it was set beforehand by the production/event. Even so, whenever there are sudden line-up changes, we're always the ones who give-in, even if we have to play last. This is our way of showing respect and gratitude to the events/production organizers for letting us play and share our music.
The funny thing is, whenever this situation happens and we agree, nobody from the appealing band approaches us at the least, and be appreciative of the favor we gave. Countless self-centered reasons/excuses just to play before us.
That's the reason why we are asking..."Is it really difficult to follow the line-up?" or should we change the question to..."Is it really hard to play after us?"
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that sucks. binabraso na kayo boss.
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Maybe next time say No. Abuso na ata pag every gig eh linilipat kayo.
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Conflict in schedule is a common factor to most bands.
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"Is it really hard to play after us?"
---baka yan yung sagot sir, hehehe! :-D
pero kahit na ganun, those bands should be respectful and be thankful that you allowed them to play ahead of you.
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Conflict in schedule is a common factor to most bands.
Agree, schedule management.
@TS, you should emphasize to the management that you too, has a schedule to follow. Unfair dun sa mga nag-a-adjust ng schedule to accommodate them tapos others don't give respect sa time ng iba :-o
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that sucks. binabraso na kayo boss.
Si boss Mico mababraso? :-o
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takot lang yung mga bands boss, kasi pagkatapos niyo tumugtog, uuwi na lahat 8-)
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Most of the bands who I am referring to are the Sikat na banda! Bands who are being paid big bucks to play on stage.
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Refuse next time.
Tell the organizer that's the only available time for your band to perform kahit na sabihin nating hindi. Sometimes we need to lie a bit.
OR better, inform the organizer that if its possible not to change time slots before the event.
Watched you guys a few times, your band is full of GREATNESS...
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Most of the bands who I am referring to are the Sikat na banda! Bands who are being paid big bucks to play on stage.
this is so true.. and most of the time ang dahilan kuno eh. may lagare pa daw <_<. Same thing happened to us sa isang show sa QTV 11. Nkaset-up na kme then bigla nlang pina-remove yung gamit namin Because the "sikat na Band needs to play na because they have another gig pa. ayun after their set tumagal pa sila ng mga 3hrs dun sa studio bago umalis.. meaning gusto lang nilang mauna... haaayz.. :|.
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Nangyayari din sa amin to. Sa tingin ko, eto yung mga rason kung bakit nangyayari yan:
1. Masyadong binibigyan ng pabor yung iba
2. Masyadong madaming bandang tutugtog
3. Late na naguumpisa
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How come fuseboxx always gets bumped off the line-up?
This is a common thing to us (you can probably call it a prog band's fate) and we are aware that this happens to other bands as well.
It's just strange that it happened to us in our last 3 gigs. We really don't mind playing last , or even after the main act, as long as it was set beforehand by the production/event. Even so, whenever there are sudden line-up changes, we're always the ones who give-in, even if we have to play last. This is our way of showing respect and gratitude to the events/production organizers for letting us play and share our music.
The funny thing is, whenever this situation happens and we agree, nobody from the appealing band approaches us at the least, and be appreciative of the favor we gave. Countless self-centered reasons/excuses just to play before us.
That's the reason why we are asking..."Is it really difficult to follow the line-up?" or should we change the question to..."Is it really hard to play after us?"
MagLUTO na lang tayo. Heh Heh. I guess you can view it like a tasting menu.... Sa Jean George, nagpahabol pa ako ng foie gras on top of my tasting menu. And it came in LAST!!!
But seriously, one thing I learnt about Pinoys -- sometimes you never know the true reasons and usually they are the most absurd and SELF-CENTERED. I don't deny that if you have a big HIT single, people will always surely bow down to you and follow your whims but in the meantime, just enjoy knowing that you are ENJOYING and people are still listening to you regardless where you are in the set. YOU CAN ALWAYS CHOOSE TO SELL OUT LIKE "WILL TIME BIG TIME" -- gulat ako na-feature pa last Satruday sina General Luna na hindi naman kasing galing niyo. Pero kasi pang Sex Trip na banda iyon. Pwede naman rin kayo mag weights at magpaganda ng katawan at magsuot lang ng 'chaleko' on stage. Kaso, mga matrona naman siguro ang makukuha niyo. LOL.
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Nangyayari din sa amin to. Sa tingin ko, eto yung mga rason kung bakit nangyayari yan:
1. Masyadong binibigyan ng pabor yung iba
this! late na pupunta sa event then makikiusap na sumingit.. meron pa nga yun tipong hindi pa raw sila kumpleto, yun pala naghihintay lang na maging mainit/excited yung crowd..
and to sir mico, i feel sorry for you kasi alam ko din yung feeling na ganyan.. :-(
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Plus, I really don't think it has something to do with intimidation. The line or phrase "Is it really hard to play after us?" suggests and blatantly implies that (you think) bands who want to play before you or those who don't want to play after you are somewhat intimidated by the level of your band's musicianship and musicality that's why they often opt to perform or play first.
There's an implication in yer message that says---your band is better than those who ask for or request for a priority slot because (you feel) they might not be able to keep-up, surpass, or at least equal your performance after. Let us keep the spirit of modesty alive here. But let us not get into that. I just hope I interpreted your message wrongly. Yer one of the coolest guys here, Mico. :razz:
God bless and Fuseboxx rocks! :razz:
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Plus, I really don't think it has something to do with intimidation. The line or phrase "Is it really hard to play after us?" suggests and blatantly implies that (you think) bands who want to play before you or those who don't want to play after you are somewhat intimidated by the level of your band's musicianship and musicality that's why they often opt to perform or play first.
There's an implication in yer message that says---your band is better than those who ask for or request for a priority slot because (you feel) they might not be able to keep-up, surpass, or at least equal your performance after. Let us keep the spirit of modesty alive here. But let us not get into that. I just hope I interpreted your message wrongly. Yer one of the coolest guys here, Mico. :razz:
God bless and Fuseboxx rocks! :razz:
I knew someone would say that!!! We were expecting this remark from someone of us implying we are better that others!!! Many times we've played with big name bands, wala naman silang other engagement, they just want to play, 2nd to last kami, main act sila, 80% ng tao eh sa kanila, then we find out they will be playing before us na, kung kelan nakahanda na kami ng gamit.
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there's always that risk if you're playing last
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But seriously, one thing I learnt about Pinoys -- sometimes you never know the true reasons and usually they are the most absurd and SELF-CENTERED. I don't deny that if you have a big HIT single, people will always surely bow down to you and follow your whims but in the meantime, just enjoy knowing that you are ENJOYING and people are still listening to you regardless where you are in the set. YOU CAN ALWAYS CHOOSE TO SELL OUT LIKE "WILL TIME BIG TIME" -- gulat ako na-feature pa last Satruday sina General Luna na hindi naman kasing galing niyo. Pero kasi pang Sex Trip na banda iyon. Pwede naman rin kayo mag weights at magpaganda ng katawan at magsuot lang ng 'chaleko' on stage. Kaso, mga matrona naman siguro ang makukuha niyo. LOL.
hahahaha :lol:
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Si boss Mico mababraso? :-o
unfortunately yes, that's how i see it. uso yan pag nasa dog-eat-dog commercial world.
eh sino nga ba di masisindak, e fuseboxx yan :-)
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A sad truth indeed. I share with your sentiments. I am with you Mico with this. Happens most of the time with my friends who are also in a band.
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say no. patayin ang phone para di makatawag. tapos sumalang sa oras na originally itinakda hehehe. bahala na silang magkagulo :-D
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unfortunately yes, that's how i see it. uso yan pag nasa dog-eat-dog commercial world.
eh sino nga ba di masisindak, e fuseboxx yan :-)
Ako kasi bro ayaw ko maimagine, baka pag binraso ko sya gawin akong tatlong piraso ni boss Mico eh (joke lang :D)
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Hey man,
If there is an agreement that you are play in a certain order, you don't have to agree to the change. I would consider that a breach of contract. If there you do concede to the change, ask for some consideration of some sort.
You will have a stronger stand if there are any documents to show the order of bands. Your reasons don't have to be personal. Say that there was an expectation to play at a certain order and that you have spread this information to your fans. You relied on the playing order and if you were kicked out of the line up, you then stood up your fans and friends. That is your cause of action.
Hope this helps.
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Mico paps,
1. Get a kickass manager who can hit it up with other band managers.
2. Have the organizer sign an agreement regarding the lineup slot.
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takot lang sila mawalan ng audience dahil pagtapos niyo tumugtog, aalis na majority ng mga tao. :razz:
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That's one of the disadvantages of having a gig together with the sikat bands.
Is there a need to tolerate these bands.
I'm with you Mico. Never mind those bollocks... prog on man >:D
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I knew someone would say that!!! We were expecting this remark from someone of us implying we are better that others!!! Many times we've played with big name bands, wala naman silang other engagement, they just want to play, 2nd to last kami, main act sila, 80% ng tao eh sa kanila, then we find out they will be playing before us na, kung kelan nakahanda na kami ng gamit.
Mico, I messaged Eric and Abby my 2 cents on this. Brad, you could've spared yourself (and the rest) the aggravation had you made this qualification right at the onset. I will go with guitarwiz02 on how the statement is bound to be interpreted by the majority--medyo condescending nga.
It's all good. Time heals everything. =)
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Again, we would like to thank you for the support and insights. True to many comments, it boils down to respect, not only from our fans and audience but more importantly from our fellow musicians.
We believe our music (Prog music) should not be intimidating but inspirational and educational. We, in our own way, would like to contribute in our culture and show the world what kind of musicians Filipinos are made of.
To all the local bands, regardless of genre, believe in your music. Support and respect your fellow musicians (sikat man o hindi). Don't get intimidated, music is no competition. It's suppose to be fun. Let's keep it that way.
Prog on and mabuhay! - FUSEBOXX
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........., music is no competition. It's suppose to be fun. Let's keep it that way......
+1 :mrgreen:
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An Article from Mr. Wolf Gemora:
Back Of The Line, Rockstar.
It’s a Sunday. You’re lining up at your local grocery store. Your shopping cart has supplies and groceries for the next week. Of all the ten registers only two are open. Four other carts filled to the brim are in front of you. It’s crowded, it’s noisy and you just want to pay for your [gooey brown stuff] and get home.
Now, imagine if some lady suddenly cuts in front of the person in front of you. She says, ‘sorry ha’ to that person and says that she’s in a hurry. Well, so are you. For fear of arguing with this woman and delaying your wait even more, you just shut up. Sucks, huh? Whatever consequence led this person to cut the line (or if she was even telling the truth) is a total lack of respect to other people.
Similarly, there is a nasty epidemic of this sort that permeates the local Filipino rock scene, be it in small bar gigs or large productions during the U.P. fair. Mico Ong, lead guitarist of Pinoy prog band, Fuseboxx recently posted this message on the wall of the ‘Maximum Rakenrol’ Facebook group:
“How come Fuseboxx always gets bumped off the line-up?
This is a common thing to us and we are aware that this happens to other bands as well.
It’s just strange that it happened to us in our last 3 gigs. We really don’t mind playing last, or even after the main act, as long as it was set beforehand by the production/event. Even so, whenever there are sudden line-up changes, we’re always the ones who give-in, even if we have to play last. This is our way of showing respect and gratitude to the events/production organizers for letting us play and share our music.
The funny thing is, whenever this situation happens and we agree, nobody from the appealing band approaches us at the least, and be appreciative of the favor we gave. Countless self-centered reasons/excuses just to play before us.”
That, in a nutshell is a lousy situation that many bands have gone through for a very, very long time, including myself. Many a night during my experiences with Wolfgang back in the 90′s were of us arriving at our designated call time, excited to play the gig, wait for hours and hours and eventually playing at some ungodly hour with our initial excitement deflated. I think the worst gig ever was one in Club Dredd on Edsa when we ended up playing at 2 AM, after about 30 bands. No [gooey brown stuff], 30 bands. It was a miracle that our fans stayed through the whole event just to watch our set. But, by the time we went on everyone was just hanging on by a thread from the long wait.
That was in 1996. Apparently, things haven’t changed in 16 years. It baffles my mind how situations like this still persist when there is a very simple solution to it. All of this boils down to two things. The lack of professionalism and the lack (and sometimes, the absence) of respect. Many a musician who has fallen victim to this can only express their frustration thru muted complaints. Enough is enough.
Beat The Clock
The golden rule of any kind of production is to stay on schedule. No matter how good your show looks on paper, it all comes down to the actual execution of the program. And there is nothing more important than STARTING ON TIME. For both amateur and semi-pro show and concert producers who actually take their productions seriously will live and die by this rule. If you do not start on time, you will have so many unnecessary problems. One thing you don’t want is a bad reputation for running an amateurish production. No bands would want to play and no fans would want to attend.
The Early Bird Gets The Worm
One cannot put all the blame of a train wreck of a production to the producers alone. Part of the problem lies with the bands themselves. The following is a common occurrence that happens in small bar events. When it is actually time to start the event at let’s say, 9 PM, the opening band requests the people in charge if they could start a little later because there aren’t enough people in the audience to watch them. If the producers are idiots and give in to this stupid request, expect the dominoes to topple. There are several reasons why your band is first on the roster. Most basic one is that you and your band are nobodys. Don’t feel bad about that. EVERYBODY started as a NOBODY. Being a nobody does not mean you should act unprofessionally. The mere fact that you even uttered a request like that shows disrespect to the production and the other bands who are scheduled to play. Start on time, play your set as best you can, be appreciative of any attention given to you and move on. If you’re good enough, you might get another chance to play and get a better time slot.
If you’ve ever been guilty of this next offense more than once, shame on you. I cannot emphasize this more. Whatever CALL TIME you are given by the event’s organizer, you HAVE to follow it. Being late for your call time and worse, your set time is a mortal sin in this business. Now, once you loss your place in line, you have to play last. You automatically go to the back of the line. Sucks for you but you were late. To take the step of disrespect even further, there have been times when the late band would have the gall to ask the promoter to have them play at the next immediate time slot. Giving reasons like not wanting to play after the main band of the event. In Fuseboxx’s case, they gave in to the request, played later in the night and ended up without even a ‘thank you’ from the other band.
If you find yourself in a situation like Fuseboxx’s, my advice would be to respectfully decline the request by saying, “I’m sorry, but we would like to play at our allotted time”. Simple but direct. The tardiness of others is not your responsibility. You don’t owe anyone anything. If you give in then you have no one to blame buy yourselves. If you give someone a chance to take advantage of you, they will. And if they call you ‘mayabang’ or ‘rockstar’, [strawberry] ‘em. You were there on time, not them. Their problem, not yours.
Old Habits Die Hard
These ugly “habits” are not only rampant in the music scene but everywhere else in Pinoy society. Wether it be in business offices, call centers, show business, or the government, most Pinoys would rather use politicking than be responsible for their actions and take the consequences. It’s a practice that’s been holding Filipino society from growing into it’s full potential of being a progressive culture. The best solutions are usually practical ones. Eradicating tardiness, crab mentalities and politics in our music scene can only free us from the chains that bind us from becoming great. It’s really up to us to change. If not, this vicious cycle will never end.
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^^good read.
"Baka pwede mo naman kausapin.."
"Bigyan mo na lang ng ----"
"Grabe naman, di pa tayo pinagbigyan.."
[in that context] are some lines I'd like to never hear again, but no doubt will always be there.
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Ang hahaba daw po kasi ng mga Songs pag Prog e. haha kidding!
baka mga excited lang talaga sir!
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magaling daw yata kasi banda niyo kaya kayo hinuli para kayo main event :-D front act niyo lang yung mga nauna hehe
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Is it really hard to play after us?"
this!
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Seriously boss, you can say No. :) hindi kailangan mabait at mapagbigay sa lahat ng oras.