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Title: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: tolits guapo on April 22, 2013, 05:33:03 PM
Here's my cover of Urbandub's Evidence using my 8 year old RJ LP.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: rockophoria on April 22, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
kung naniniwala ka na "tone is in the fingers" eh hindi totoo yan..
meron housemate yung ex ko dati, meron syang panget na RJ acoustic guitar na angtaas ng action, pero nung ginamit nya nagtunog martin.. (pag nakapikit ka) I dunno kung magaling lang sya talaga o totoo talaga ang saying na yan sa taas..
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Post by: Poundcake on April 22, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
The best RJ guitars will most likely be on the same level as so-so to average MIK guitars.
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Post by: gainsucker on April 22, 2013, 05:55:08 PM
record it again without the song playing, then listen to it.
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Post by: Gunslinger on April 22, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
Use the Razorback too.
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Post by: KRISPY KANGKONG on April 22, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
May friend ako nung college na bumili ng LP sa RJ naimpress daw siya kasi di nya akalain ok din pala. pero hindi nga lang daw kasing astig ng mga Gibson LP (c'mon) :-D
ang ayoko lang dun yung hugis rifle. hindi ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit sila nagrelease ng ganun body. :-P
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: tolits guapo on April 22, 2013, 06:06:55 PM
Let us just say I had an RJ 7 and upgraded the pups to Dimarzios before. Sagwa for me. More to that I never heard a single positive comment on the sound as it still sucked. I bought the budget Ibanez RG7321 after and upgraded the same pair of pups. Ang ganda ng tunog. Thereon I solidified the importance of flowing my money to the right direction and in saving for something better within my the potential budget na I would have.
Pero in the end bro nasa sa iyo yan kung ano ang gusto mo at asa budget. I heard some RJ guitars that sounded good pero I wouldn't put effort on finding the "right" RJ for me.
Just get a guitar you can truly identify with and be happy with it. No need for people's approval. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: dharzfreeman on April 22, 2013, 07:19:54 PM
Let us just say I had an RJ 7 and upgraded the pups to Dimarzios before. Sagwa for me. More to that I never heard a single positive comment on the sound as it still sucked. I bought the budget Ibanez RG7321 after and upgraded the same pair of pups. Ang ganda ng tunog. Thereon I solidified the importance of flowing my money to the right direction and in saving for something better within my the potential budget na I would have.
Pero in the end bro nasa sa iyo yan kung ano ang gusto mo at asa budget. I heard some RJ guitars that sounded good pero I wouldn't put effort on finding the "right" RJ for me.
Just a guitar you can truly identify with and be happy with it. No need for people's approval. :)
Good. But ill take note of it anyway :wink:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Freak on April 22, 2013, 07:21:31 PM
come and visit RJ Guitars... there's a perfect guitar is waiting for you - Ramon Jacinto :lol:
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Post by: Gunslinger on April 22, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: treblinkalovescene on April 22, 2013, 09:05:13 PM
The RJ Jagmaster was good. I didn't like the Mustang and Jet King copies. I mostly hate their necks. The Telecaster was okay but the cheap screws on the hardware stripped out real quick. Didn't like the neck either but the pickups were workable. Their Strat copies were nice to look at (the orange and the green ones with the tinted neck) but closer inspection makes me think it's better to get a VM Squier at that price point.
That's the long and short of it for me.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Poundcake on April 22, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
Let's not get there. Unless RJ decides to drastically improve its guitar production and quality control processes, RJ guitars will always be on the entry-level side of the industry and will only be purchased by consumers because of their very low price. Quality always has an equivalent value.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gearthird on April 22, 2013, 09:49:45 PM
Lets all say na depende sa preference or taste nyo yan. It happen na may 20+ year old RJ Strat ung frend ko, i think he bought that in early 90's and its has nice solid body as well as neck (dont know what wood used) stock pickups and in heavily relic condition due to deep dings & paint chips. but when i used that guitar sa isang gig e i was blown away sa sound na na-pproduce nya. very twangy, nkpa-smooth & warm ng sound nya even in heavy distortions. and he said to me na mgganda tlga ung mga first production ng RJ Guitars. so i think depende tlga sa preference mo. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: rockophoria on April 22, 2013, 09:51:55 PM
so tama nga si oas na tone is in the gear? :wink:
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Post by: maxi_musikero on April 22, 2013, 10:11:01 PM
local + mass produced + entry level build quality + entry level electronics and hardware. all of these are part of the equation kung bakit panget tumunog ang mga RJ guitar ngayon.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: keida on April 22, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
PANGIT. Apat na nga nabili ko eh. :))
Though, seriously, out of the 4, 2 were really good that I chose one as my main guitar over a tokai strat, epi nighthawk, and is currently doing alternate duty with a Teisco teledeluxe.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: treblinkalovescene on April 22, 2013, 11:21:29 PM
Though, seriously, out of the 4, 2 were really good that I chose one as my main guitar over a tokai strat, epi nighthawk, and is currently doing alternate duty with a Teisco teledeluxe.
Those RJs with P90s!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: throwinshapes on April 22, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
Do they really have to make copies of every single guitar shape known to man, though? Wouldn't they be able to afford higher quality builds, woods, and hardware if they just restricted production to one body style, or had just one line? Hypothetical lang. I don't really see why they need to make entry-level copies of... well, everything, if it would be possible to just cut down on the production of all those funky-looking guitars for better quality Strats or LPs, for instance. I'd be genuinely happy for RJ if they could make a Strat, LP, Tele, SG, Soloist, or whatever that could really compete with those in a similar price range. Pero ngayon, mostly (if not completely) entry-level lang talaga ang mga nilalabas nilang produkto.
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Post by: treblinkalovescene on April 22, 2013, 11:31:24 PM
RJ is a legit surf guy. I just wish he'd come out with a decent Jazzmaster copy for people who want to try offsets out.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: kym005 on April 22, 2013, 11:43:14 PM
Chambahan lang bro. May mga gawa sila na maganda tumunog. But mostly, hindi talaga eh. Sayang pera. :-D
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Poundcake on April 22, 2013, 11:49:46 PM
"Wala sa pana yan, nasa Indian yan" – Kahit yung Indian ang gumagamit ng pana, kailangang medyo maayos pa rin kahit papaano ang pana para makasapul ang Indian. So Alex is right up to a certain extent. We should have decent gear at the very least before "wala sa pana yan, nasa Indian yan" can be valid.
Unfortunately for RJ, karamihan ng mga gitara nila eh mga "tabinging pana," if you know what I mean. I do hope, though, that we'll have a local guitar manufacturer that produces decent instruments. Sayang lang sa kahoy at raw materials yung ginagawa nila ngayon.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: rockophoria on April 23, 2013, 12:00:18 AM
"Wala sa pana yan, nasa Indian yan" – Kahit yung Indian ang gumagamit ng pana, kailangang medyo maayos pa rin kahit papaano ang pana para makasapul ang Indian. So Alex is right up to a certain extent. We should have decent gear at the very least before "wala sa pana yan, nasa Indian yan" can be valid.
Unfortunately for RJ, karamihan ng mga gitara nila eh mga "tabinging pana," if you know what I mean. I do hope, though, that we'll have a local guitar manufacturer that produces decent instruments. Sayang lang sa kahoy at raw materials yung ginagawa nila ngayon.
then its settled, the better the quality the better the tone and playability.. so price will definitely has something to say about quality.. and those argument I observed here are purely subjective..
second nalang yung being an IMBA guitarist.. so tone is in the gear.. but not without the IMBA guitarist who will play it. just like the IMBA guitarist will never get the quality tone without the quality gear..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: nuno on April 23, 2013, 12:08:31 AM
It just so happen that the vast MAJORITY of good sounding guitars is NOT produced in the Philippines. That is why most of the guitarists tend to look elsewhere.
Just so you know, I have a custom guitar made in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: rowley75 on April 23, 2013, 12:11:53 AM
then its settled, the better the quality the better the tone and playability.. so price will definitely has something to say about quality.. and those argument I observed here are purely subjective..
second nalang yung being an IMBA guitarist.. so tone is in the gear.. but not without the IMBA guitarist who will play it. just like the IMBA guitarist will never get the quality tone without the quality gear..
Swak na swak!! It's in the fingers and gear..:)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: karlwilson on April 23, 2013, 12:13:39 AM
its great..i have one for almost 5 years!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: tolits guapo on April 23, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
Chambahan lang bro. May mga gawa sila na maganda tumunog. But mostly, hindi talaga eh. Sayang pera. :-D
siguro nga chambahan na lang talaga..
parang eto oh.. naka chamba... :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 12:22:10 AM
its probabaly made in some backyard plant in Shandong Province together with your fernandos, Squires, greg bennets, vantage, SX etc. rebranded lang as per contract na lagyan ng super baduy na Dancing RJ logo..hahahaha
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: rowley75 on April 23, 2013, 12:28:16 AM
its probabaly made in some backyard plant in Shandong Province together with your fernandos, Squires, greg bennets, vantage, SX etc. rebranded lang as per contract na lagyan ng super baduy na Dancing RJ logo..hahahaha
Rebranded BaCH guitars ang RJ.. Hahaha!
To those who don't know.. Check this out. http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=213978.100 (http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=213978.100)
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Post by: jeo on April 23, 2013, 12:37:49 AM
wag ng mahiya...sino man may magandang tumunog na RJ guitar dyan umamin na.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 12:54:01 AM
felt good when the marks resurfaced :-D (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8518.jpg)
so here she is, stripped off naked eh...not bad at all, its inlayed :evil: bach guitars from czech republic.. (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8522.jpg)
not like this sticker :? (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8539.jpg)
after buffing.. (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8524.jpg) (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8528.jpg)
replaced the nut with brass (homemade goodness) (http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/inkslingerx/RJ%20LP%20CUSTOM/IMG_8533.jpg)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 12:57:59 AM
I had a lot of respect for RJ guitars when I was a kid..ngayon ok pa din naman pero..I wont go buying anything from them anymore..I feel they are just a raon or sta Mesa hole in the wall shop na nalagay lang sa Airconditioned Mall...negosyo nalang yan..mas may alam pa yata sa gitara at sa scene yung Lefty Guitarist Allen from CSA...kesa sa mga clerks nila..hahaha
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Post by: tolits guapo on April 23, 2013, 12:58:46 AM
nyay!! imported na pala RJ Guitars.. After ba to ng masunog yung factory nila?? How about yung mga gawa nila before masunog factory nila?
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Post by: kym005 on April 23, 2013, 01:05:29 AM
nyay!! imported na pala RJ Guitars.. After ba to ng masunog yung factory nila?? How about yung mga gawa nila before masunog factory nila?
Yan na yung chambahan bro. Pag nakascore ka ng RJ guitar na hindi rebranded lang. Sa pagkakaalam ko, RJ guitars nung mga 90's are good sounding guitars (bata pa ko nun, just heard from adults then)
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 01:09:41 AM
in my opinion, RJ guitars and the stuff they sell are catered to the begginner to intermediate market..and those just looking for a convenient place to buy a guitar...
ang tanong may sense of Pride ba kayo using RJ guitars?? siguro dati...pero ngayon..mga mass produced,low quality control units from some obscure village in Shandong..na bibilhin nila per hundred units stamped with the dancing RJ logo..tapos ipapaship nalang sa pinas in 6 weeks...hahaha garbage for the masses..
-GD55
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 01:16:35 AM
you better worry if a guitar company would name one of thier guitar models..
"Les Pu"
Dafuq?!?!? Global Vision ba yan???!!!
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Post by: rowley75 on April 23, 2013, 01:20:12 AM
in my opinion, RJ guitars and the stuff they sell are catered to the begginner to intermediate market..and those just looking for a convenient place to buy a guitar...
ang tanong may sense of Pride ba kayo using RJ guitars?? siguro dati...pero ngayon..mga mass produced,low quality control units from some obscure village in Shandong..na bibilhin nila per hundred units stamped with the dancing RJ logo..tapos ipapaship nalang sa pinas in 6 weeks...hahaha garbage for the masses..
-GD55
Hala! GD55 na! Hahaha! Sana mij or better yet mia rebranded nalang ang rj.. Sobrang sulit na nun.. :lol: At least sobrang tumaas PSEi ng pinas hahaha!
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Post by: kym005 on April 23, 2013, 01:26:32 AM
in my opinion, RJ guitars and the stuff they sell are catered to the begginner to intermediate market..and those just looking for a convenient place to buy a guitar...
ang tanong may sense of Pride ba kayo using RJ guitars?? siguro dati...pero ngayon..mga mass produced,low quality control units from some obscure village in Shandong..na bibilhin nila per hundred units stamped with the dancing RJ logo..tapos ipapaship nalang sa pinas in 6 weeks...hahaha garbage for the masses..
-GD55
Ngayon ko lang nakita to. It's Cool. No. Lame might be the better word.
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 01:28:30 AM
Hala! GD55 na! Hahaha! Sana mij or better yet mia rebranded nalang ang rj.. Sobrang sulit na nun.. :lol: At least sobrang tumaas PSEi ng pinas hahaha!
hahaha!
@TS give yourself a favor...nandito ka na sa Philmusic..ANG SWERTE SWERTE mo you have access to the most comprehensive and complete Gear Classifieds sa Bansa... with the BEST prices...the best deals the best everything...
Please..get yourself a nice MIJ 2nd hand here for some RJ or Raon, or Sta Mesa piece of pangggatong... Thank me later..
-GD55
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 01:31:04 AM
baka nga di na nila pinupuntahan yung planta ng mga guitars nila sa china eh...
nakikipagchikahan nalang at umuorder yung product manager ng RJ sa isang Mr. Chen Han Yu customer service representative ng ALIBABA.COM..
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Post by: magtataho7 on April 23, 2013, 08:06:26 AM
Ihope mr ramon jacinto would browse GC.. para malaman niya kung ano gusto ng mga willing gumastos
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on April 23, 2013, 08:10:35 AM
basta pwede pang -Tapping., ayos na :lol:
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on April 23, 2013, 08:21:21 AM
Probably hard to accept for some forumers that he is right but to a degree he is sans the degrading comments.
Last time I checked, wala naman tayong amp simulator or guitar simulator sa daliri.
I personally have had a hard time making single coil bridge equipped guitars sound like "me".
yep, thats what im thinking.. and the only thing that I have against oas is his knack of telling you that if you dont buy the guitars he buy your guitar sucks even if your guitar is already above par the regular gear.. pero aside from that I believe what he said and 75-80% of the tone is "in the gear" and the 25% is in you on "how to create that unique tone" via "your skills (your fingers).
may point din si ian about that "indian sa pana" thing pero when we take that analogy kahit baliko yung pana it will still do the main purpose of it.. which is "to propel an arrow" magagawa pa rin nya yun.. pero it takes "skill" to have that arrow hit a target.. and kahit baliko yung pana basta skilled yung indian eh may 80% chance pa rin na tatamaan nya yung target nya because the indian is simply "skilled" and knows how "to compensate" on the "disadvantages of his pana".
now kung maganda yung quality nung pana, deretso, matibay it will still propel an arrow the same pero with "much accuracy" that even a novice indian "might hit a target with ease" by just merely "aiming straight".. and ofcourse that pana will be a "Deadly Weapon" in the hands of a skilled indian.. pero it doesnt defeat the fact that even a novice indian might hit a target with it.. like the skilled indian can hit a target with the balikong pana.
so an RJ guitar in basic G-MAJOR chord will still resonate that specific sound even when done by a novice and a skilled guitarist.. because a guitar is simply made for the purpose of resonating sounds.. thus the tone (via acoustically or electrically) pero like what I said it "takes skill" to make a cool and unique sound out of it.
so personally my belief is tone is indeed in the gear.. and unique sound is in the fingers :idea: :idea:
so panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar? HELL YES kung tukmol kang gitarista.. and NOT QUITE pag IMBA ka.. :-D :-D
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: tolits guapo on April 23, 2013, 08:59:59 AM
@TS give yourself a favor...nandito ka na sa Philmusic..ANG SWERTE SWERTE mo you have access to the most comprehensive and complete Gear Classifieds sa Bansa... with the BEST prices...the best deals the best everything...
Please..get yourself a nice MIJ 2nd hand here for some RJ or Raon, or Sta Mesa piece of pangggatong... Thank me later..
-GD55
I'm not planning to get another RJ guitar. As stated my guitar is already 8 years old.
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on April 23, 2013, 09:15:38 AM
Excited na ko pumunta mamya... :cute:
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Post by: Gunslinger on April 23, 2013, 09:28:49 AM
Recently, medyo uso maging excited dito sa pm ah. :cute:
Slight off-topic na somewhat on-topic: Yung ginagamit ba ni RJ dun sa bar niya, available for purchase sa public? Parang may nakita akong vintage-style tremolo bridge na naka-equip sa ginagamit niyang guitar. The finish was in satin chrome IIRC. Looks like a Wilksinson.
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Post by: sonikyut on April 23, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
so panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar? HELL YES kung tukmol kang gitarista.. and NOT QUITE pag IMBA ka.. :-D :-D
long read..but i agree to this one
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Post by: shredmaestrobri on April 23, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
Also i remember RJ sold the 7 stringer for 10kphp. Ganon ata. I recenly tried the Ibanez RG 7 na gio sa Audiophile and I couldn't believe how good it was. Mas naenjoy ko pa sya kesa sa Prestige 7 na nilaro on tht same day sa Audiophile SM north. Siguro sa setup na rin kaya mas ngng comfortble ako sa gio. Nka floyd ksi ung prestige e at medyo nahirapan ako itono.. And the gio is just 10kphp! Dun na ako kng kaprice lng nung rj7
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Post by: ysei on April 23, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
Hindi lahat ng RJ guitars ay pangit. Tsambahan din. Hindi naman lahat ay maganda din.
May RJ guitar din ako. Ok na ok nga eh. :-P
But then again, kung gaano man kaganda pedals at gitara mo kung olats naman ampli mo, wala din.
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Post by: mbsunga on April 23, 2013, 11:17:29 AM
Ang alam ko yun ibang rj guitars ay ok pero parang mas madami ngang hinde ok. Alam ko there was a time na bumili sila ng mga imported guitars na rebadge nila as rj. Siguro sulit ang rj if you buy it sa birthday ni RJ at 50% discount. Pero kung original price its not worth it siguro. My opinion
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Post by: treblinkalovescene on April 23, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
GUSTO KO LANG KASI MALAMAN KUNG SINO BUMIBILI NETO: http://www.rjguitarcenter.com/guitars-bass/electric-guitars/rj-sniper-gun-shape
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Post by: Shred_22 on April 23, 2013, 11:40:36 AM
try mo takpan yung brand na RJ sa head. gaganda KUNTI yung tunog nyan. nakakadagdag kasi ng factor yung brand. pag nakikita mo yung brand nya parang pumapangit lalo yung rinig mo sa tunog nya :lol:
btt.
nagtry ako dati ng rj di na ko umulit yun na yung 1st and last na try ko ng rj for me mas ahead pa fernando sa rj eh. sablay playability sobra. (or baka pichapie lang yung natest ko) then sound manipis eh :-(
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Post by: Shred_22 on April 23, 2013, 11:42:34 AM
try mo takpan yung brand na RJ sa head. gaganda KUNTI yung tunog nyan. nakakadagdag kasi ng factor yung brand. pag nakikita mo yung brand nya parang pumapangit lalo yung rinig mo sa tunog nya :lol:
Indeed. :idea:
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Post by: Freak on April 23, 2013, 01:02:40 PM
buy an RJ guitar, upgrade it with premium parts = ?
ano sagot :?
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Post by: kawayan_strat on April 23, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
Lets all say na depende sa preference or taste nyo yan. It happen na may 20+ year old RJ Strat ung frend ko, i think he bought that in early 90's and its has nice solid body as well as neck (dont know what wood used) stock pickups and in heavily relic condition due to deep dings & paint chips. but when i used that guitar sa isang gig e i was blown away sa sound na na-pproduce nya. very twangy, nkpa-smooth & warm ng sound nya even in heavy distortions. and he said to me na mgganda tlga ung mga first production ng RJ Guitars. so i think depende tlga sa preference mo. :)
AFAIK, the early production (late 80's, early 90's) of RJ Guitars are all Philippine made.
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Post by: sonikyut on April 23, 2013, 01:32:08 PM
AFAIK, the early production (late 80's, early 90's) of RJ Guitars are all Philippine made.
esp. mga rokker series nila (strat type)
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Post by: gainsucker on April 23, 2013, 01:33:25 PM
Panget- Pete
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Post by: poprox on April 23, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
Why does it always have to be the indian with his pana na kakana-kana?
Nakakatuwang isipin ang ganitong sitwasyon:
Nagyayabang yung isang indian na nakatama siya ng ibon using his imported, custom made, bowtik pana. Habang yung isang indian eh nagmumukmok sa gilid hawak ang kanyang native, selfmade na pana na nakapatay ng oso nung isang araw.
Gawan na lang nila ng paraan ang kanilang b**log na kakalog-kalog.
Para hindi-o.t. Meron akong RJ bluesbreaker combo na nabili ko nung sale, yung package. Going through the line-6 spider pre-sets, tama naman yung tunog na lumalabas eh. Masaya na ako sa kanya "sa ngayon".
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Post by: rockophoria on April 23, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
hindi ba ang perfect analogy is the HOTDOG analogy? :lol:
hmmm pwede rin :idea:
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Post by: albumin on April 23, 2013, 02:47:32 PM
Pero excited nakong pumunta!!! :cute:
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Post by: techbp on April 23, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
Here's a thought I borrowed from the other thread for JF:
" I think it’s important, as an artist, to never feel that anything having to do with music is judged by its price. What you can do with it is much more important than how much it costs. "
-John Frusciante
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Post by: ysei on April 23, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
Here's a thought I borrowed from the other thread for JF:
" I think it’s important, as an artist, to never feel that anything having to do with music is judged by its price. What you can do with it is much more important than how much it costs. "
-John Frusciante
Tama.
Kung blind folded kaya, tapos may 10 na gitarang patutugtugin...
Malalaman nyo ba kung alin dun ang tunog RJ?
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Post by: techbp on April 23, 2013, 03:09:17 PM
Here's a thought I borrowed from the other thread for JF:
" I think it’s important, as an artist, to never feel that anything having to do with music is judged by its price. What you can do with it is much more important than how much it costs. "
-John Frusciante
MISMO!
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Post by: Freak on April 23, 2013, 03:45:53 PM
Kung blind folded kaya, tapos may 10 na gitarang patutugtugin...
Malalaman nyo ba kung alin dun ang tunog RJ?
That is under the assumption that you are comparing it with other guitars with the same price range.
It is a fact that RJ was not able to establish a signature tone (like Fender to a Strat and Gibson to an LP) para ma distinguish siya.
What if sa 10 gitara, 1 RJ and 9 other bowteek guitars...? Sadly, its inferiority over the other bowteek guitars would surface up. And that would be your main determinant.
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Post by: karlwilson on April 23, 2013, 04:40:57 PM
even though i have here with me some mia/mij/mik guitars but i tend to use this rj guitar with a solid mahogany body and a bass ball bat ,glued in neck, feel so good on my hands and sounds great for me.. :-D pardon our playing..
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Post by: kym005 on April 23, 2013, 04:44:31 PM
even though i have here with me some mia/mij/mik guitars but i tend to use this rj guitar with a solid mahogany body and a bass ball bat ,glued in neck, feel so good on my hands and sounds great for me.. :-D pardon our playing..
Kudos to you for doing a good job of finding a good RJ gutiar.
I had my fair share of trips to their different branches before (hoping to spot a good, cheap guitar) but sadly I have yet to be impressed by anything that has an RJ logo on it. I had better luck with SX guitars though...
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Post by: jepbueno on April 23, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
OT: Bawal ba at dapat bang malaman ng mga mods/owner ng Philmusic forums ang pangongopya ng RJ Forum?
BTT: Before, highly regarded ko ang mga RJ guitars kasi nung High School yun na ung pinakamaganda na nahahawakan namin compared sa ibang entry level na "global" etc. Hindi ko pa naman sila natatry ang mga bago ngayon.
Meron ba dito meron nung acoustic nila na ang shape eh parang tele? Ang ganda ng tunog nung sa friend ko :)
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Post by: ryechua on April 23, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
OT: Bawal ba at dapat bang malaman ng mga mods/owner ng Philmusic forums ang pangongopya ng RJ Forum?
bawal? i don't think so. simple machines is a free tool. cheap? perhaps. sana man lang iniba ng onti yung mga categories para hindi mabansagang copycat.
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Post by: gearthird on April 23, 2013, 06:01:35 PM
AFAIK, the early production (late 80's, early 90's) of RJ Guitars are all Philippine made.
right. and by that time the great late luthier rudy disipolo was one of the makers of the 1st production of rj guitars, - as stated by my friend who owned the 20+ yeard old strat :)
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Post by: magtataho7 on April 23, 2013, 07:05:55 PM
I think he already did and copied the whole layout of Pmusic :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tsk tsk, I'm sorry mr. RJ, but this is going over the top.... nakakawalang respeto :(
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Post by: caloyness on April 23, 2013, 07:21:19 PM
Ok from my experience and perspective ( acoustic guitars only )
For the price that you are paying i can say RJ is not that good enough. why?
in an acoustic guitar what matter are these.
1. Wood used ( cedar top , sitka spruce top are the best sounding ones )
- RJ are just using plywoods! so they can never really sound that good when it comes to acoustic.
2. Bracing , fretboards , neck , truss rod.
- most of RJ guitars 1k - 7k doesn't have truss rods, plus the bracing and fretboards are not that high quality. di ko alam kung ano glue ginagamit nila pero..the type of wood glue used can affect the sound.
3. craftmanship
- most of RJ guitars are mass produced and i heard some are coming from china na nilagyan lang nila ng brand na RJ ( this is for those 1k - 7k ranges )
- importante ang pag setup ng fretboard and saddle which is why may mga gitarang sobrang taas ng action kahit anong gawin mong pag kaskas ng saddle mataas pa rin yan.
so that's it. for cheap affordable and quality craftmanship guitars.
here are the list.
1. Lumanog - good sounding guitars and affordable. 2. Fender - you can get one for 6k and above 3. yamaha - you can get 4k above also 4. washburn - the oscar schidmt is recommandable for low budget and good quality.
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 23, 2013, 08:10:35 PM
sign up tayo sa RJ-Philmusic rip off tapos hanapin lahat ng threads dito about RJ guitars kung gaano sila kabulok ..ilipat doon,haha
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Post by: pualux on April 23, 2013, 08:35:18 PM
sign up tayo sa RJ-Philmusic rip off tapos hanapin lahat ng threads dito about RJ guitars kung gaano sila kabulok ..ilipat doon,haha
very evil :idea:
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Post by: xaeroblade on April 23, 2013, 08:42:04 PM
Hit or miss talaga dito, pero tingin ko recently ok na yung mga guitars nila. Tropa ko meron RJ Bluesbreaker and for some reason mas gusto ko sya sa Epiphone LP ng isa ko pang kaibigan. Angat sa cosmetics yung Epi, pero sa tunog at pakiramdam sa kamay ko sobrang trip ko yung RJ LP.
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Post by: magtataho7 on April 23, 2013, 10:23:50 PM
noice suggestion... nagpapakulo ng kudeta sa loob mismo ng malacanang....hahaha
hahahahah ganda ng description..hahaha
pero I dont think they really care, 99% ng customers nila mga di naman sobrang into sa mga brands or saan gawa..or paano gawa..gusto lang nila makabili ng gitara na convenient..or mura..tapos medyo nadala pa yung "proudly pinoy" idea from the 90s..
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Post by: maxi_musikero on April 23, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Kung blind folded kaya, tapos may 10 na gitarang patutugtugin...
Malalaman nyo ba kung alin dun ang tunog RJ?
it all depends.
malalaman mo ang tunog RJ kung:
1. Ikaw mismo ang tutugtog ng blind folded 2. Ang mga kasabay na gitara ay mga reissues, replicas, Gibson LP standard and other high-end LPs.
lampaso ang RJ pag ganyan ang mangyayari. with or without the blind fold.
pero kung yung mga kasabay niya ay yung mga LPs within the same price range, siguro nga hindi mo malalaman.
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Post by: magtataho7 on April 23, 2013, 10:39:58 PM
Pero in all objectivity, may natry akong RJ SG copy na parang may pseudo-spalted maple top saka 5-pc neck, naka wilkinson bridge pa. Ganda naman tumunog comparable to SX/Samicks, ang hindi ko lang talaga matiyaga yung fretboard... para kang humahagod ng poste :-o
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Post by: gainsucker on April 23, 2013, 10:50:43 PM
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Post by: kym005 on April 23, 2013, 10:52:53 PM
maporma yung tele sa video ah! astig yung silver pickguard on black..roadworn neck tapos may toggle.
thanks sa compliment,, it's a 96 Squier Korean Tele, Got it in 2001. Midnight wine ang kulay nya, nagmukha lang black kasi madilim.. :-D
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Post by: cheddar on April 24, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
meron akong ri lp bluesbreaker. sobrang gusto ko lang magkaron ng lp kya ako naka bili. turnoff lang talaga yung headstock kasi ang laki... chaka yung logo na naka liyad si rj :-D did alot of modifications, pickup swap, tuners chaka headstock re-shaping all courtesy of micsis... oh & got rid of the rj logo also. sabi nga ni sir mike, hindi na mapag kakamalang rj kung di mo sasabihin.
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Post by: fizz450_03 on April 24, 2013, 12:43:30 PM
^ ayus yan sir ah. but i guess malaki laki din inabot mo with all the mods?
sign up tayo sa RJ-Philmusic rip off tapos hanapin lahat ng threads dito about RJ guitars kung gaano sila kabulok ..ilipat doon,haha
haha browsed it...weird... :-D
hit or miss ata talaga sila, may mga nahawakan ako before na good sounding like a particular semi-hollow (hindi ko lang tanda if it's a 335 or 339 copy) pero it was passable sana, apart from the ugly wiring that you can see through the f-holes :eek:
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Post by: freemansj on April 24, 2013, 12:53:56 PM
meron akong ri lp bluesbreaker. sobrang gusto ko lang magkaron ng lp kya ako naka bili. turnoff lang talaga yung headstock kasi ang laki... chaka yung logo na naka liyad si rj :-D did alot of modifications, pickup swap, tuners chaka headstock re-shaping all courtesy of micsis... oh & got rid of the rj logo also. sabi nga ni sir mike, hindi na mapag kakamalang rj kung di mo sasabihin.
Magkano nagastos mo lahat-lahat sa mods, sir? :)
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Post by: techbp on April 24, 2013, 01:58:04 PM
meron akong ri lp bluesbreaker. sobrang gusto ko lang magkaron ng lp kya ako naka bili. turnoff lang talaga yung headstock kasi ang laki... chaka yung logo na naka liyad si rj :-D did alot of modifications, pickup swap, tuners chaka headstock re-shaping all courtesy of micsis... oh & got rid of the rj logo also. sabi nga ni sir mike, hindi na mapag kakamalang rj kung di mo sasabihin.
interesting... can you show us some pics bro. thanks
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Post by: johnasido on April 24, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
maiba lang po....ano mas OK RJ Guitar or Fernando Guitar? :-D
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Post by: sonikyut on April 24, 2013, 04:36:49 PM
modifications & all... halos ka presyo na rin nung guitar. the pickups were mk2's from a tokai lp. ewan ko kung bakit but for some reason mas compatible ung mk2 pickups dun sa rj... must be the wood. naka chamba ng maganda kung baga.:) i'll try to post some pics later.
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Post by: freemansj on April 24, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
modifications & all... halos ka presyo na rin nung guitar. the pickups were mk2's from a tokai lp. ewan ko kung bakit but for some reason mas compatible ung mk2 pickups dun sa rj... must be the wood. naka chamba ng maganda kung baga.:) i'll try to post some pics later.
Eto yung hinihintay ko! Sige sir, hintay ko yan... :-D
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Post by: cheddar on April 24, 2013, 07:44:12 PM
-Reshaped to a smaller headstock & removed logo -Replaced with Grover Tuners -Replaced with mk2 pickups from a tokai lp -Replaced with Gibson amber bell knobs, pointers, & truss rod cover + a micsis setup :-D
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Post by: freemansj on April 24, 2013, 07:45:56 PM
-Reshaped to a smaller headstock & removed logo -Replaced with Grover Tuners -Replaced with mk2 pickups from a tokai lp -Replaced with Gibson amber bell knobs, pointers, & truss rod cover + a micsis setup :-D
Aba!!! Pwede nga! Ganda!
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Post by: DiMarzSiao™ on April 24, 2013, 07:52:37 PM
-Reshaped to a smaller headstock & removed logo -Replaced with Grover Tuners -Replaced with mk2 pickups from a tokai lp -Replaced with Gibson amber bell knobs, pointers, & truss rod cover + a micsis setup :-D
Gondo nga!
post mo na din yan sa http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=218138.2150#lastPost
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 24, 2013, 07:57:24 PM
-Reshaped to a smaller headstock & removed logo -Replaced with Grover Tuners -Replaced with mk2 pickups from a tokai lp -Replaced with Gibson amber bell knobs, pointers, & truss rod cover + a micsis setup :-D
WOW! SWEET! Sana pala tanggalin nalang ng RJ yung LOGO nilang BADUY..baka mas madami pa kitain nila sa sales..
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Post by: Erdy on April 24, 2013, 08:02:19 PM
I don't agree. Just like what happened to Ed Van Halen when they are starting to gig as front act for Ted Nugent. Ted got awed with the tone/sound that Ed is producing from his guitar and rig. His guitar is his famous frakenstrat and his rig is a simple 3-stomp echo, phaser and overdrive with a full crankup amp. Ted actually borrowed his setup and after playing some riffs returned it to Ed and said that he (Ted) can not produced the tone that Ed is making. Meaning the tone is in the finger. Aren't you still not convinced with his Spanish Fly song in Van Halen II?
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Post by: cheddar on April 24, 2013, 08:29:02 PM
I don't agree. Just like what happened to Ed Van Halen when they are starting to gig as front act for Ted Nugent. Ted got awed with the tone/sound that Ed is producing from his guitar and rig. His guitar is his famous frakenstrat and his rig is a simple 3-stomp echo, phaser and overdrive with a full crankup amp. Ted actually borrowed his setup and after playing some riffs returned it to Ed and said that he (Ted) can not produced the tone that Ed is making. Meaning the tone is in the finger. Aren't you still not convinced with his Spanish Fly song in Van Halen II?
so EVH can make that same sound on an RJ Guitar then?
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Post by: prinsipe_ng_sablay on April 25, 2013, 01:22:12 PM
problem is, hindi na Pinoy ang gumagawa eh. pinapagawa na lang sa iba. Either from the Czechs or from the Chinese. basically, it's not ours to claim.
+1
From what I know, they've been doing this for quite sometime.
The only local in RJ guitars is the brand and not the guitar.
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Post by: captainbackfire on April 26, 2013, 05:16:11 AM
Wasntit Korea at some point?
Anyway for what its worth
RJ GUITARS SOUND MOSTLY AWESOME
I tried every guitar they had in Megamall that I thought I liked aesthetically. THe quality is of better Asian makes.
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Post by: bloody dok on April 27, 2013, 11:13:40 PM
dati may rj strat akong nabili. twangy, yes. pero binenta ko rin kase sobrang gaan feeling ko di tatagal sa studio ko. then one time me client ako sa studio, pinatono nya muna sa akin ang bago nyang rj les paul p90s, tested it na rin. na-impress ako sa tunog. as in.
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Post by: Pakantone on April 28, 2013, 09:17:34 AM
Hinde.... Basta wag mo lang i compare sa japanese at american made na gitara :idea:
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Post by: Rmansh on April 28, 2013, 12:06:17 PM
I tried every guitar they had in Megamall that I thought I liked aesthetically. THe quality is of better Asian makes.
made in china. last time nakita ko sa isang booth sa shanghai expo may rj display. sabi nun nandun sila daw ang gumagawa nun. the day before that nakasabay ko naman si Mr. RJ sa cebu pacific papuntang shanghai.
here's a pic
(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5248.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5249.jpg) here's the booth (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5247.jpg)
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Post by: gandydancer123 on April 28, 2013, 01:41:34 PM
made in china. last time nakita ko sa isang booth sa shanghai expo may rj display. sabi nun nandun sila daw ang gumagawa nun. the day before that nakasabay ko naman si Mr. RJ sa cebu pacific papuntang shanghai.
here's a pic
(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5248.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5249.jpg) here's the booth (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5247.jpg)
sa Weifang Shandong nga..
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Post by: kawayan_strat on April 29, 2013, 11:26:38 AM
made in china. last time nakita ko sa isang booth sa shanghai expo may rj display. sabi nun nandun sila daw ang gumagawa nun. the day before that nakasabay ko naman si Mr. RJ sa cebu pacific papuntang shanghai.
here's a pic
http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5248.jpg http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5249.jpg here's the booth http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/shanghai2012expo/IMG_5247.jpg
Tama si Captainbackfire, at some point, Korean made yung mga RJ, late 90's ata.
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Post by: deeyan23 on June 19, 2013, 04:17:30 PM
:) kahit saan naman atang brand makakakita ka ng pangit na gitara eh. kahit ibanez pa brand . sa rj may mga pangit na gitara pero meron din nman maganda depende lang sa pagpili mo. ibanez nga sana bibilhin ko eh ung ART series nila na 29k sa audiophile made in indonesia daw .mahal tapos d naman japan made . tatak lang yung nagpamahal.kung bibili ako gitara mas ok sakin yung khit di kilalang brand basta na try ko tapos ok sakin yung tunog .wala fretbuzz fedback etc....
i own RJ Bluesbreaker LP Copy .maganda ang tunog. satisfy ako sa nabili ko.
i try to compare it to yamaha pacifica strat.model. na ginagamit ko din sa gig . pero sa tingin ko mas ok yung RJ LP ko sa performance over all disregard yung brand ..
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Post by: Eivar on June 19, 2013, 11:29:22 PM
RJ strat, repainted ko to red, pero sold it lang kanina to a non-philmusic-member. recorded it years ago na pala hahaha!
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Post by: j.escueta on October 26, 2013, 01:32:34 AM
buhayin ko tong thread na to..
i own an early 90s RJ guitar. During that time, hindi ko naman afford bumili ng mamahalin na fender strat, Gibson Les Paul or Ibanez man lang. Presyong ginto kasi nun. Hindi pa uso ang gawang china.
Sa RJ factory ko binili yung akin - dun pa sya sa papuntang kalentong ata - ang na-alala ko lang eh sa makati mandaluyong bridge yung daan.
Sinalpakan kong EMG pickups tapos ok na. Pero panget ng build quality. Taas ng action - miski sagad sa baba yung bridge, taas pa rin. Nagliha pa kong frets kasi buzzing na sya.
Tunog? pwede na, heavy metal eh :-P
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Post by: kawayan_strat on October 26, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
i own an early 90s RJ guitar. During that time, hindi ko naman afford bumili ng mamahalin na fender strat, Gibson Les Paul or Ibanez man lang. Presyong ginto kasi nun. Hindi pa uso ang gawang china.
Sa RJ factory ko binili yung akin - dun pa sya sa papuntang kalentong ata - ang na-alala ko lang eh sa makati mandaluyong bridge yung daan.
Sinalpakan kong EMG pickups tapos ok na. Pero panget ng build quality. Taas ng action - miski sagad sa baba yung bridge, taas pa rin. Nagliha pa kong frets kasi buzzing na sya.
Tunog? pwede na, heavy metal eh :-P
nag adjust ka ba ng truss rod before sanding the frets and adjusting the bridge height?
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Post by: jacobsarinas on October 26, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
IMO guitar sound depends on the PUPs, and of course must be in proper intonation :)
I have mine, RJ les paul copy.. Setup by sir Jun Castro.. And it sounds good.. PUPs rebalance, all PUPs are stock..
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Post by: MR_BIG on October 26, 2013, 12:00:44 PM
This happend to 20 years ago, after practice, someone came up to me and ask about the guitar i was using, it was a rj ibanez copy
Man: where did you get that guitar? Me: bought it from a friend Man: you sure? Me: yes!! ( gave him the name of the person that sold it to me)
Man: i like to buy it from you, for the same price you got it, that is my first guitar, stolen from me, my name is on the headstock Me: ok that will be 5k, thank you
Mind you, if he didnt like how it sounds and feels, he wont be buying it from me again, remember we were kids back then, 5k was a lot of money in the 90s
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Post by: j.escueta on October 26, 2013, 12:06:10 PM
:) kahit saan naman atang brand makakakita ka ng pangit na gitara eh. kahit ibanez pa brand . sa rj may mga pangit na gitara pero meron din nman maganda depende lang sa pagpili mo. ibanez nga sana bibilhin ko eh ung ART series nila na 29k sa audiophile made in indonesia daw .mahal tapos d naman japan made . tatak lang yung nagpamahal.kung bibili ako gitara mas ok sakin yung khit di kilalang brand basta na try ko tapos ok sakin yung tunog .wala fretbuzz fedback etc....
i own RJ Bluesbreaker LP Copy .maganda ang tunog. satisfy ako sa nabili ko.
i try to compare it to yamaha pacifica strat.model. na ginagamit ko din sa gig . pero sa tingin ko mas ok yung RJ LP ko sa performance over all disregard yung brand ..
Late to the party but I do believe Ibanez builds to very consistent tolerances compared to the OEM manufacturers they use for the RJ guitars at the moment. Tried and tested from the Ibanez lines up to Premium. The Indonesians don't mess around sa line na yun. For $300, the Indonesian Squier Vintage Modified line is REALLY good (although not without faults).The Pacifica might've been made in Taiwan and part of their entry level set while the RJ for sure is a rebranded Czech or Korean guitar that's at best on par with Ibanez' mid-end stuff. Nothing to do with it a local brand. I just think it's a local brand with inconsistent products. Not sure if I mentioned this na sa other RJ threads but sana RJ decides to re-vamp his surf-rock heritage and have people come up with original designs given to Cort or something.
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Post by: siore on October 27, 2013, 12:35:54 AM
The shreddy pointy guitar RJ's and ultra cheap electrics don't do anything for me. Have had good experiences with the les pauls and SG's, on the other hand. YMMV
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Post by: gandydancer123 on October 27, 2013, 12:46:20 AM
if you dont have much money..RJ guitars will sound good
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: xelalien on October 27, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
sa tunog makaka-chamba... pero sa feel, ewan... tapos di pa naka-setup ng mabuti yung mga stock.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: j.escueta on November 05, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
Found my 20 yr old rj guitar. It says rj guitar by roadtone sa headstock. And its heavier than my recently acquired ltd m10 basswood body guitar. Ano kayang kahoy yung body?
baaad logo and all...but do you guys think the RJ guitar center is rolling in a lot of dough?
or losing money but passion nya ?
Yes panget nung logo. Action really sucked. Bridge sucked. Pero the wood is good. The body is heavy and solid, the neck is nice and the fretboard is slightly curved. Ok sya i-play pero ang panget lang talaga ng pagka setup ng guitar. The saddles were of really cheap quality. Nilagyan kong papel sa gitna ng body and neck para tumaas yung neck dahil ang taas sobra ng action. And this cost 6k++ way back sa 90s ha. Imagine that.
Sinasak ko kanina yung guitar, gumagana pa yung EMG 81s. Hanep, 20yrs old na, gumagana pa. :)
To add ,ginamit ni mike hanopol yan gitara ko nung tumugtog kami minsan sa RJ galleria. Hindi naman nag reklamo. Tinalsikan lang ng laway. LOL!!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Autoplay2009 on November 06, 2013, 05:42:49 AM
I think I'm quite lucky for my RJ. I currently own a decent 12-string acoustic. The sound is quite dark for an acoustic guitar (the kind I like for a 12-string). I had a bone saddle installed by sir Micsis for an added bite and brightness to the sound.
One thing I don't quite like about it is the binding on the neck and that RJ logo too! :-\
Other than that, it's a decent-sounding and quite good-looking 12-string acoustic I've been using live and in recordings. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: orangeogre on November 07, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
My first guitar was a custom RJ flying V. It was a copy of Mustaine's Jackson flying V. This was back when RJ was doing custom guitars. Their shop was located in Makati Ave. Siguro around lates 80's early 90's ito. 3rd year high school ako noon.
Neck was flamed maple, rosewood fretboard, pero hindi ko alam yung body...siguro mahogany, di sure, baka mas mumurahing kahoy.
custom made pickups ng RJ, dunno kung ano.
from what I remember, disente naman yata tumunog yung gitara. Although wala pa akong alam sa tone noon. basta alam ko lang is, itodo ang distortion level, at mag ingay lang.
Also, I only had 1 pedal it was a DOD Metal Maniac in Neon Yellow :-)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: jeck_six on November 18, 2013, 09:56:58 AM
Napapaisip din ako jan sa RJ guitar, meron sila acoustic worth 15k. so kung ako yung may 15k na budget para sa acoustic, why go for an RJ guitar if you could buy a takamine acoustic guitar with your money :-D
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 18, 2013, 11:15:23 AM
i think, dahil sa internet, sinira na ng information ang mga myths and legends regarding "rj" guitars..if we had no internet yet..they could still pass off rj as pioy pridez made in da pinas..kahit na outsourced na sa china and indonesia products nila.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: queer_rocker on November 18, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
i think, dahil sa internet, sinira na ng information ang mga myths and legends regarding "rj" guitars..if we had no internet yet..they could still pass off rj as pioy pridez made in da pinas..kahit na outsourced na sa china and indonesia products nila.
actually hinde internet ang sumisira sa rj kundi yung mga taong ayaw lang ang gawang rj kasi lokal mas gusto syempre nila yung mga balasik na gawa ni fender at ni gibson
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on November 18, 2013, 01:01:48 PM
^mismo. If you look hard enough, ok naman talaga. Before the internet, a lot of things are simple. Kesa gumastos ka para sa sta.mesa "class A" guitars, konting stretch lang sa budget, you get the cheapest playable and acceptable sounding guitar. May RJ logo nga lang.
Actually GAS never stops, but it has to start somewhere.
Instead of RJ les paul, save up for an Epiphone. If you have epiphone, maybe look into MIJ les pauls Kung may MIJ ka na, kaya mo na rin ang 2nd hand Gibson , kahit Studio Kung Studio, better you save for a Standard or Traditional. Kung may trad ka na, kelangan may Custom or Historic ka next Historic already? Luthier-grade replicas are better Have a nice replica? Time for a vintage burst. If you have a vintage, is it played by someone famous?
What I'm saying, those who have like to step on those who don't. Always 'inferior' gear, when some are actually 'superior' to what they have. Simple lang ang electric guitar. Buy based on your requirements. Saken lang kung minimum requirements, it shouldn't get cheaper than an RJ. Nothing wrong with what it can provide, assuming you try out a few.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 18, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
^mismo. If you look hard enough, ok naman talaga. Before the internet, a lot of things are simple. Kesa gumastos ka para sa sta.mesa "class A" guitars, konting stretch lang sa budget, you get the cheapest playable and acceptable sounding guitar. May RJ logo nga lang.
Actually GAS never stops, but it has to start somewhere.
Instead of RJ les paul, save up for an Epiphone. If you have epiphone, maybe look into MIJ les pauls Kung may MIJ ka na, kaya mo na rin ang 2nd hand Gibson , kahit Studio Kung Studio, better you save for a Standard or Traditional. Kung may trad ka na, kelangan may Custom or Historic ka next Historic already? Luthier-grade replicas are better Have a nice replica? Time for a vintage burst. If you have a vintage, is it played by someone famous?
What I'm saying, those who have like to step on those who don't. Always 'inferior' gear, when some are actually 'superior' to what they have. Simple lang ang electric guitar. Buy based on your requirements. Saken lang kung minimum requirements, it shouldn't get cheaper than an RJ. Nothing wrong with what it can provide, assuming you try out a few.
--nice!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: denden009 on November 18, 2013, 09:28:23 PM
Found my 20 yr old rj guitar. It says rj guitar by roadtone sa headstock. And its heavier than my recently acquired ltd m10 basswood body guitar. Ano kayang kahoy yung body?
Please refrain from using this cliche. What we are discussing is the quality of the gear/guitar and not the quality of the guitarist's playing. Thanks.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: electromark on December 07, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
i have rj goldtop with p90. ok naman at maganda tunog. yun nga lang nabibigatan ako, sakit sa balikat. once ko palang sya nagamit sa gig.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: tsunamic on December 07, 2013, 12:30:40 PM
i have rj goldtop with p90. ok naman at maganda tunog. yun nga lang nabibigatan ako, sakit sa balikat. once ko palang sya nagamit sa gig.
pansin ko RJ lespauls are much heavier than MIC Epis
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: MrGobots on December 07, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
Dropped by the RJ Guitar Center in MOA the other day and it was the most horrific 15 minutes in a music store I've experienced ever. I cannot believe how anyone could have the audacity to price the most awful looking sta mesa acoustic guitars above P1,000 and let it be the first guitars that greet the customers.
I was only looking for cheap strings to put on the guitars that I don't use often, just so they don't get stocked stringless. A jolog-kpop-emo-punks sales staff approached me, he seemed to be irritated to finally have something to do. So I thought I'd ego trip and took a look around. A tube amp/cab combo caught my attention. I decided to try it out.
Picked out one of the better looking semi-hollows and a tele branded with a logo that apparently screamed of a subscription to a godless sense of design. The amp just insults your intelligence, I think it was a single tube amp that made both guitars sound like makita electric grinders. I liked the feel of both guitars I tried and the finish was a bit above average, acoustically it sounded round enough. But once plugged in, the guitar could be blamed for the all the celebrity deaths this past weeks.
So I thought maybe its the amp. I proceeded to request to try it with another amp that also had a 2 letter brand? but not rj. It sounded a bit better. Still the guitars, however nice they looked, it sounded like my first guitars in high school. The ones I played when I didn't know shi.t about tuning and intonation.
I'd like to think that there are hidden gems that you can chance upon in that store but I picked out two of the better looking guitars in a lot display of over a hundred and got out of there feeling I was robbed 15 minutes of my leisure time.
So to answer the question, Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar? Ngayon, Oo. I used to have an RJ Rokker when I first started out, I thought it was good enough then. Good enough to go around with friends and bands pretending I knew how to actually play. But I eventually upgraded to ones that satisfied me more, so that probably says something about the RJ guitar I had.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on December 08, 2013, 04:05:21 AM
Dropped by the RJ Guitar Center in MOA the other day and it was the most horrific 15 minutes in a music store I've experienced ever. I cannot believe how anyone could have the audacity to price the most awful looking sta mesa acoustic guitars above P1,000 and let it be the first guitars that greet the customers.
I was only looking for cheap strings to put on the guitars that I don't use often, just so they don't get stocked stringless. A jolog-kpop-emo-punks sales staff approached me, he seemed to be irritated to finally have something to do. So I thought I'd ego trip and took a look around. A tube amp/cab combo caught my attention. I decided to try it out.
Picked out one of the better looking semi-hollows and a tele branded with a logo that apparently screamed of a subscription to a godless sense of design. The amp just insults your intelligence, I think it was a single tube amp that made both guitars sound like makita electric grinders. I liked the feel of both guitars I tried and the finish was a bit above average, acoustically it sounded round enough. But once plugged in, the guitar could be blamed for the all the celebrity deaths this past weeks.
So I thought maybe its the amp. I proceeded to request to try it with another amp that also had a 2 letter brand? but not rj. It sounded a bit better. Still the guitars, however nice they looked, it sounded like my first guitars in high school. The ones I played when I didn't know shi.t about tuning and intonation.
I'd like to think that there are hidden gems that you can chance upon in that store but I picked out two of the better looking guitars in a lot display of over a hundred and got out of there feeling I was robbed 15 minutes of my leisure time.
So to answer the question, Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar? Ngayon, Oo. I used to have an RJ Rokker when I first started out, I thought it was good enough then. Good enough to go around with friends and bands pretending I knew how to actually play. But I eventually upgraded to ones that satisfied me more, so that probably says something about the RJ guitar I had.
Cool story bro. I should check out the RJ stores once more. Back in 2007 it was a very different experience from yours. Gotta plug in and see how different their products had become. Back then, the stock pickups on the les pauls and SG's were ok, and in fact better than some epiphones, MIJ's, samick greg benetts, fernando, etc. Random consistency though, given the price range, and like you mentioned, forget about the cheapest guitars in their lineup. The staff is crap shoot too. Depending on a lot of variables, you get good service, or not.
I agree the logo is more 'in your face' now. And even marked on some of the bodies. They seem to think that this more prominent silhouette logo is more attractive than the previously subdued (relatively speaking) two letter logo on the headstock. That one's easily sanded out, though it doesn't really bother me what people think when I play what I think is a decent and good sounding instrument.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: dharzfreeman on December 08, 2013, 06:27:21 AM
I would say yes.. and i'm so proud i get rid of it
Experience tells.. thats why give respect to others opinion after so many battle thread of best hand vs best arsenal ^-^
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: MrGobots on December 08, 2013, 08:25:35 AM
its probabaly made in some backyard plant in Shandong Province together with your fernandos, Squires, greg bennets, vantage, SX etc. rebranded lang as per contract na lagyan ng super baduy na Dancing RJ logo..hahahaha
damn...same din yung comment ko dati sa ngayon..haha
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on August 16, 2014, 01:11:48 AM
damn...same din yung comment ko dati sa ngayon..haha
Classy. In the heat of the RJ SV thread you revived two threads on let's see..... RJ guitars??. You took time to basically say, "it's the same comment of mine as before" with a haha as punctuation.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on September 04, 2014, 11:35:03 AM
Request for merging..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on September 04, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
Nasa ears nga ng beholder yan. If I would buy an electric guitar, kahit hindi pa nakasaksak sa amp and play, alam na
talaga? I used to think the same thing. Oo tama, kahit di nakasaksak may certain characteristics na talaga dahil sa wood, etc. Pero pre, kaya nga electric eh. Lalo na kung bibili ka. Eh kung mapangsamantala ang magbebenta sayo eh papalitan lang yan ng super chipipay na electronics at pickups pati switches. Kapag ganun, hindi rin matatranslate yung supposed to be na tunog ng gitara mo papunta sa amp.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: mbsunga on September 05, 2014, 12:03:02 PM
talaga? I used to think the same thing. Oo tama, kahit di nakasaksak may certain characteristics na talaga dahil sa wood, etc. Pero pre, kaya nga electric eh. Lalo na kung bibili ka. Eh kung mapangsamantala ang magbebenta sayo eh papalitan lang yan ng super chipipay na electronics at pickups pati switches. Kapag ganun, hindi rin matatranslate yung supposed to be na tunog ng gitara mo papunta sa amp.
You got a point. Dapat parehas plugged and unplugged tinetest guitar But if i would choose between the two Mas madali magpalit ng electronics kesa sa wood
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on September 05, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
You got a point. Dapat parehas plugged and unplugged tinetest guitar But if i would choose between the two Mas madali magpalit ng electronics kesa sa wood
same thoughts. if you plan on swapping out pickups, wood and construction talaga ang titingnan. wa pakels na sa wiring and pickups hahahaha
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on November 10, 2014, 10:04:28 AM
I bought an RJ Bluesbreaker Jimmy page model les paul at RJ sa glorrieta 7 years ago.
It sounded good, felt great, heavy.
it cost a little more than the regular Rj Les Paul, but it was worth it.
Too bad it got stolen 3 years ago, just 2 nights before a gig.
so I ended up buying an epiphone Special 2 in a rush, I wanted an epiphone LP standard then but didnt have the cash. So i settled for the special 2.
the RJ Jimmy Page les Paul sounds way better than the epi special 2. i know that these are 2 different guitars but based on the price, I bought the RJ at 11k and the Epi special at 14.5 k, the RJ was better.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 21, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
Sale ulit sila sa December 6-7. oh yung mga naghahanap ng RJSV, pagkakataon nyo na, 50% off 8pm till closing :lol:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: KennyKen on November 21, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
I remember buying a Black Strat copy RJ wayback in college ..It was sooo horrible that I have to tune it after executing 5 or 6 heavy bends or 3 divebombs lol ^-^
Mag CORT Guitars ka na lang kung same price bracket din lang hanap mo, same quality control lang sila ng Ibanez (and same built quality because they come from the same factory)...
OR I would rather buy a ''known'' secondhand guitar though and have it refretted if necessary...
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 21, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
I remember buying a Black Strat copy RJ wayback in college ..It was sooo horrible that I have to tune it after executing 5 or 6 heavy bends or 3 divebombs lol ^-^
Mag CORT Guitars ka na lang kung same price bracket din lang hanap mo, same quality control lang sila ng Ibanez...
OR I would rather buy a ''known'' secondhand guitar though and have it refretted if necessary...
this!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 21, 2014, 12:29:55 PM
RJSV FTW :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: KennyKen on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
for me the heavier the guitar the better. I tend to bend and pull a lot.
The weight gives me leverage.
i share your thoughts bro. pag magaan na gitara, like my pro II...large and powerful bends tend to swing the guitar in the direction of the bend din hehe
i'm waiting for the sale doe. ito na siguro pagkakataon ko to get a semi hollow cheap enough to not keel over in hurt pag nauntog.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: KennyKen on November 22, 2014, 07:12:08 AM
It still baffles me why RJ is still in business :-D
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on November 22, 2014, 07:59:09 AM
Seems that the Rj brand is already associated with bad guitars..
Maybe Rj needs to rebrand and asses their production methods.. sayang yung mahogany eh.
parang reverse unlucky lemon ung pagpili ng guitar eh..
A lemon is supposed to be the rare defective one that you get.
But in this case your lucky if you find one thats fine.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: KennyKen on November 22, 2014, 08:17:31 AM
Thruth is...NOBODY wants to spend North of Php10k just to see RJ's name plastered on your hard-earned guitar. Plus their attention to detail is sub-par :-P
They seriously need a WOW factor para naman makasabay sila sa Chinese competition....
Why not slap a DiMarzio or a Seymour Duncan or an active EMG's sa kanilang mga mid/high-ends? sacrifice the profit margin a bit.... It will be a head-turner for sure
''Presenting our brand new RJ Metal Maister guitar, Php10k only...equipped with DiMarzio D-Activator pickups!!!'' :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on November 22, 2014, 08:25:58 AM
now that one I might buy..
Pero ung kahoy.. ung mahogany sayang eh.
Just give it to the luthiers here to make nice guitars.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2014, 09:36:48 AM
Thruth is...NOBODY wants to spend North of Php10k just to see RJ's name plastered on your hard-earned guitar. Plus their attention to detail is sub-par :-P
They seriously need a WOW factor para naman makasabay sila sa Chinese competition....
Why not slap a DiMarzio or a Seymour Duncan or an active EMG's sa kanilang mga mid/high-ends? sacrifice the profit margin a bit.... It will be a head-turner for sure
''Presenting our brand new RJ Metal Maister guitar, Php10k only...equipped with DiMarzio D-Activator pickups!!!'' :-D :mrgreen:
Good suggestions... Rj lost the vision he wanted for his brand name guitars..he jyst want to sell to some chumps and newbies and earn ...sad but i understand..unless he wants to overhaul his product and marketing approach..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: fizz450_03 on November 22, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
i kinda agree with you guys that the vision is no longer there.
had it been, then rj would get us guitars that would be of better quality. outsourced na nga gitara niya, mukhang latak pa yung iba or maybe he subcontracted them to some manufacturer who's just downright shoddy.
it would've been excusable if his wares are priced 3k below, but a good lot of his stuff up for sale now is upwards of 8k, many being around the 10k mark, and his Super Vintage, which turned up to be the Super Disappointment, is 25k.
no one's gonna part with his 10k for a shoddy RJ superstrat if he can get a Cort or Samick that sounds and feels better for the same price.
...or maybe RJ's taste in guitars is just that, unable to please the more discerning crowd. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 22, 2014, 02:18:02 PM
he did a good job building his brand because of his vision during the 90's..even trying to sell in the US..but I guess..if grow big you eventually get eaten up by the system..which you cant fight..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: queer_rocker on November 22, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
Don't tell me hindi sila makakapagproduce ng gitara worth Php 6.5k? and that is including operating costs
Very do-able yan sa Agathis wood
And sometimes you have to SACRIFICE a bit for the sake of marketing buzz, that's when the only moment you'll get noticed
Make DiMarzio models your break-even/ at loss - for profit products....pero yung trade-off eh positive naman, nakakagawa ka ng ingay
MARKETING 101
bayabas ka diyan :wave: :-o
good stuff! as a smart consumer..I would love this idea... value for money..band for the buck! hindi yung 25,000 pesos na kung saan lang yung hardware at electronics..kesyo made in US yung pup wires.. sige sabihin na nating Shandong OEM factory with inconsistent workmanship..hit or miss guitar body..pero with the premiums like above average branded parts, better tuners, bridge, pups....laking bagay na!
kahit wilkinsons man lang..na titanium finished metal parts..etc.. sa ngayon, premiums on their top of the line guitars are what, coffin hardcase with some photos of RJ tag with some Certificate of authenticity?... buy it and bring it out the store and your 25k will be 8,000 php value nalang..
I feel, RJ music corp is run by old dogs..walang fresh ideas..or strategies to take RJ guitars to the next level or next century...their guitar business is riding on one thing...Ramon RJ Jacinto and his 60's rock and roll vibe.. what if kung wala na siya? paano na ang RJ? in the end, product padin ang mananaig..at magstand out..
its all about profits guys..best to buy them during birthday sale...pero come on guys?!? youve got amazing mexican fenders and squiers all over..and even US gibsons on the second hand market for less than 30k and can hold their value..even appreciate..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on November 23, 2014, 10:01:59 PM
RJ les pauls can be great value for money. I've had mine for God knows how long, and will continue to be with me. I bought it 8k brand new, and save for routing a few wires here and there for 50s vs modern wiring and back, it remains bone stock to this day. The wisdom before is you get good sounding pickups, nice playability while you save up for MIJ les pauls or Epiphones (I contest that though, around that time I vastly prefer the brand over some Epi LPs that I've held belonging to some forumers I've met over my philmusic dealings). Also, with MIJ or 2nd hand, you dont have that try-at-store advantage.
Pretty solid guitars I think. Now their ultra low cost models, cue in some badly setup strats, leave so much to be desired that I can almost understand the brand hate. Sometimes I think they should just stick to their Gibson style models.
Here's a clip I made just today.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: analog.matt on November 24, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
i think as long as the buyer is aware of what he bought its good. generally we get what we pay for. the bang for the buck concept simply means we were able to optimize the value of what we shelled out....or even received a bit more than what was paid, but it will never be a lottery type of transaction.
to me however, an RJ will never sound like the good MIJs i've tried nor a good USA guitar....unless you have that 1 in a million guitar which is uber uber rare.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 24, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
wala namang sinabing panget. okay naman siya, wag lang sanang iclaim na "IT SOUNDS BETTER THAN "HIGHEND BRAND".
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: analog.matt on November 24, 2014, 11:32:32 AM
just to clarify my previous post, when i said good MIJ, what i had in mind were the 16k MIJs. there are good ones out there.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 24, 2014, 11:35:36 AM
just to clarify my previous post, when i said good MIJ, what i had in mind were the 16k MIJs. there are good ones out there.
Agreed. Not the "MIJs" from PCPark. please. HAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: analog.matt on November 24, 2014, 02:58:42 PM
OT lang ng konti.
noong una may mga magaganda na MIJ sa PCPark. there was one instance na gusto ko talaga ipokpok ulo ko sa pader kasi nag hesitate ako. late 70s tokai telecaster. yung may stamp sa last fret. wala ako sa manila pero i could have asked someone to try it and get it. nung nabili na, tsaka ko napansin yung stamp sa dulo ng fret (sa pictures). pinakawalan lang nila ng 16k.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on November 24, 2014, 03:08:56 PM
parang mas okay ata kung ang RJ, magrebrand as Jacinto Guitars. para hindi naman tunog kalye. tapos yun nga, mas maayos na QC measures hahaha
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 25, 2014, 06:57:36 AM
parang mas okay ata kung ang RJ, magrebrand as Jacinto Guitars. para hindi naman tunog kalye. tapos yun nga, mas maayos na QC measures hahaha
gamit kasi nila boss Ralph yung Jacinto sa isa nyang negosyo, Jacinto Roof. baka isipin ng mga tao na yari sa yero at may alulod yung gitara :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: chazkidlat on November 25, 2014, 07:21:33 AM
Dipende kung super galing ka mamili ng craft and wood ng guitar
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: fretboard on November 25, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
with proper set up, and correct scale, walang crappy guitar! tone comes from the heart of the musician :lol:
tone master/guru/expert/genius --> CV :-D
hahahaha
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: KennyKen on November 25, 2014, 11:13:54 AM
Ugh....You cannot properly set-up a crappy guitar in the first place :-D :wave:
Otherwise, PROs would just be contented on $200 guitars
Contradicting statements there :lol:
hahaha
may sagot din si CV dyan! :-D
oh well! :-P
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: XFree on November 25, 2014, 05:31:21 PM
based on exp. for having a couple of RJ guitars before, the particular sound of their guitar is dull dark and muffled. Im not saying its bad sounding im just describing it.
one time I tried a strat and it quacked like a LP...haha
I like the finish on some of the higher priced RJ guitars but tonewise they just don't sound appealing to me :-\
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: jepbueno on November 25, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
good stuff! as a smart consumer..I would love this idea... value for money..band for the buck! hindi yung 25,000 pesos na kung saan lang yung hardware at electronics..kesyo made in US yung pup wires.. sige sabihin na nating Shandong OEM factory with inconsistent workmanship..hit or miss guitar body..pero with the premiums like above average branded parts, better tuners, bridge, pups....laking bagay na!
kahit wilkinsons man lang..na titanium finished metal parts..etc.. sa ngayon, premiums on their top of the line guitars are what, coffin hardcase with some photos of RJ tag with some Certificate of authenticity?... buy it and bring it out the store and your 25k will be 8,000 php value nalang..
I feel, RJ music corp is run by old dogs..walang fresh ideas..or strategies to take RJ guitars to the next level or next century...their guitar business is riding on one thing...Ramon RJ Jacinto and his 60's rock and roll vibe.. what if kung wala na siya? paano na ang RJ? in the end, product padin ang mananaig..at magstand out..
its all about profits guys..best to buy them during birthday sale...pero come on guys?!? youve got amazing mexican fenders and squiers all over..and even US gibsons on the second hand market for less than 30k and can hold their value..even appreciate..
sino may balak bumili sa sale nila?
baka pwede i ride yung gusto ko bilhin?hehe.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 26, 2014, 11:47:04 AM
I was asking for pictures too, he didnt send me. I sent mine.
I just dont know if its true that RJ will sue him for trading a guitar that was given to him. Hello there, Gibson ba yan sir? And to think Im trading an RJ as well.
English pa sumagot e. Hmmm come to think of it, baka naman crony nga ni RJ to. I did not think of that. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: iamppej on November 26, 2014, 02:51:11 PM
I was asking for pictures too, he didnt send me. I send mine.
I just dont know if its true that RJ will sue him for trading a guitar that was given to him. Hello there, Gibson ba yan sir? And to think Im trading an RJ as well.
English pa sumagot e. Hmmm come to think of it, baka naman crony nga ni RJ to. I did not think of that. Hahaha.
sending of pic plang... hehehehe... pero parang na OT tayo ng ontindun,... peace
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on November 26, 2014, 03:00:59 PM
cge gusto mo yan.
PANGIT TUMUNOG ANG RJ, maganda lang yung aesthetics ng RJ EX3 at mura kaya ko sya gusto.
Maliban sa pangit ang tunog, pangit din ang marketing eklavu nila.
ON Topic na ba?
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 26, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
haha natroll ka nga sa deal na yun ah. papalo na lang ng 7k yung mga semi-hollow nila sa sale
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: iamppej on November 26, 2014, 03:08:33 PM
PANGIT TUMUNOG ANG RJ, maganda lang yung aesthetics ng RJ EX3 at mura kaya ko sya gusto.
Maliban sa pangit ang tunog, pangit din ang marketing eklavu nila.
ON Topic na ba?
I totally agree about the people selling their stuff sa rj!!!!! SUPER KAINIS! akala mo ee fender ung guitar nila or Gibson.. maka sabi ng sir baka masira po pa balik nlng po sa lagayan.. sabagay they address their buyer thru looks... eh mukha akong goons... hahahaha.... kainis lng tlga ung tunog ng rj or ung mga Floyd guitar nila dun... wagas ang tunog.. tunog lumanog na my pick up... hehehe
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on November 26, 2014, 03:12:01 PM
I totally agree about the people selling their stuff sa rj!!!!! SUPER KAINIS! akala mo ee fender ung guitar nila or Gibson.. maka sabi ng sir baka masira po pa balik nlng po sa lagayan.. sabagay they address their buyer thru looks... eh mukha akong goons... hahahaha.... kainis lng tlga ung tunog ng rj or ung mga Floyd guitar nila dun... wagas ang tunog.. tunog lumanog na my pick up... hehehe
to be fair. since punk ako, RJ guitars are perfect for me as I can wank, piss, kick on it and not worry about it. BUT if they are trying to pass it off as some sort of boutique guitar at boutique price, fvck RJ. He is a delusional old fart.
Kaya ko sya gusto kasi pwede na ako mag ingay. Pero kung mamahalan pa nila t lolokohin ako na maganda daw gitara nila, vlol. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on November 27, 2014, 12:39:48 PM
hahahaha... pwede ba ako nalang bili nun.. mas magnda sa Gibson yan or baka talunin pa nyan ang ESP guitars.. peace out//
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on November 27, 2014, 10:27:11 PM
Even if I don't agree with things like "never" or it can't be possibly better than X brand, I can respect the sentiments about marketing gimmicks. I'm certain there's enough RJ threads, people who like em and those who hate it to the point of voicing out their disappointments in every thread.
Our gear experiences are all that we have to form these opinions, so who are we to tell someone what their experience to the contrary is flat out flawed, and somehow they're wrong or have bad taste? There are worse things out there than perfectly decent electric guitars at an affordable price point. The fact that it is being talked about so much with so much passion, good or bad, means the RJ company is doing something right, one way or another. And I hate that their work is cut out for them. :-D
So how about a little decency and respect. People just want to talk about gear that makes them happy. Why belittle the experience? Especially if you have stuff that's 'better'?
See I read in another thread some Pinoy working in an autoshop in the US just hates the other Pinoys coming to their shop to show off their cars, while at the same time haggle repairs on their BMWs and Porsches because they dont want to take it to the dealership. It's the attitude people acquire when they taste a little success that's got to him. But I say let the small people have their own videoke parties or halloween trick or treats, pinoy style. If you think you're better off than most, go reach for your next happiness. There are other cars nicer than yours, and I'd love to see you happy as you reach for them. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: mbsunga on November 28, 2014, 04:48:18 AM
RJ are not good but they are not bad either. they are affordable thats why you get what you paid for back in the 90s nung hinde pa talamak ang mic guitars, RJ made decent guitars affordable for the low/middle class filipinos.
reading threads like this and the replies people make.... gives me an idea kung sino ang mga dapat irespeto and sir siore is one of them :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: iamppej on November 28, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
^_^
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on November 28, 2014, 09:22:30 AM
... and i respect people who says it like it is. call a spade a spade.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on November 28, 2014, 02:14:48 PM
In my opinion , pag sale, and you have the extra cash to play around, why not?
In 2007 i bought a nice sounding blonde finished maple neck tele for 4k. It wasn't their typical undersized tele's that i usually see. It was a proper sized tele. while it was a top loader, It had a nice looking two piece body with a translucent blonde finish and the maple neck had abalone(looking) fret markers. I had a lot of time in my hands when i went to their MOA branch and i got to try 6 guitars of the same specs. All of them had Fret issues. 2 sounded okay, the other 2 had no sustain, 1 tele was soo badly setup that i didn't bother playing for more than 10 seconds, but one sounded really good( amidst the terrible fret buzz), and the neck pocket was pretty snug and aligned perfectly with the bridge.
So i got it, left it immediately at micsis' house for a fret level and had mike sand off the logo and clear coat it, and when i got it back, grabe it was the best guitar i got for under 5K( including the fret level.
After a year, i GAS'ed for something else so decided to sell it. I sold it at 5k. Sulit na diba?
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on November 28, 2014, 02:34:37 PM
in 2006 or 2005 i also got a nice thinline tele with an ash body and finished in translucent pink. I got to try about 3 guitars. I bought the best sounding one and i got it for i think 5k or less( as usual sale nanaman).
Yung neck, sobra fret buzz din! Good thing the person i bought a Dimarzio Bridge pickup from knew a lot about guitars( si micsis ito by the way). So he offered to do a fret level, and eventually a refin. I eventually sold this at a very slight profit at 10k.
for 5k, kahit pangit frets, parang okay naman diba? here's an old pic at mike's house (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n232/wuwei5150/regtele-body1.jpg) (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/wuwei5150/media/regtele-body1.jpg.html)
I haven't dropped by RJ stores lately pero i haven't seen guitars that had nice wood grains at a low price point these days. IMHO dapat ayusin talaga nila positioning nila. Parang nakaka turn off yung Super Vintage na yan eh.
Mag focus na lang kaya sila at helping create an affordable DIY scene? Same parts pa din kung ayaw nila mag iba nang supplier. Mag benta na lang sila ng Bodies, necks, guitar parts,etc, tapos train their people to help out customers in building a very nice (kahit entry level) guitar that can beat other brands at a low price point?
Magpakatotoo lang diba? Wag na nilang subukan labanan mga mid to hi end guitars. Focus sila sa kaya nila.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 28, 2014, 02:36:28 PM
in 2006 or 2005 i also got a nice thinline tele with an ash body and finished in translucent pink. I got to try about 3 guitars. I bought the best sounding one and i got it for i think 5k or less( as usual sale nanaman).
Yung neck, sobra fret buzz din! Good thing the person i bought a Dimarzio Bridge pickup from knew a lot about guitars. So he offered to do a fret level, and eventually a refin.
in 2006 or 2005 i also got a nice thinline tele with an ash body and finished in translucent pink. I got to try about 3 guitars. I bought the best sounding one and i got it for i think 5k or less( as usual sale nanaman).
Yung neck, sobra fret buzz din! Good thing the person i bought a Dimarzio Bridge pickup from knew a lot about guitars( si micsis ito by the way). So he offered to do a fret level, and eventually a refin. I eventually sold this at a very slight profit at 10k.
for 5k, kahit pangit frets, parang okay naman diba? here's an old pic at mike's house (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n232/wuwei5150/regtele-body1.jpg) (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/wuwei5150/media/regtele-body1.jpg.html)
I haven't dropped by RJ stores lately pero i haven't seen guitars that had nice wood grains at a low price point these days. IMHO dapat ayusin talaga nila positioning nila. Parang nakaka turn off yung Super Vintage na yan eh.
Mag focus na lang kaya sila at helping create an affordable DIY scene? Same parts pa din kung ayaw nila mag iba nang supplier. Mag benta na lang sila ng Bodies, necks, guitar parts,etc, tapos train their people to help out customers in building a very nice (kahit entry level) guitar that can beat other brands at a low price point?
Magpakatotoo lang diba? Wag na nilang subukan labanan mga mid to hi end guitars. Focus sila sa kaya nila.
sarap ng grains ng tele mo papa redge!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on November 28, 2014, 03:24:53 PM
I'd rather Haggle battle-scarred Ibanez guitars @ OLX
Course, if Ibanez floats you boat, go for it. ^-^
Had some cheap m-audio jamplug before, and cheap behringer stuff. And i could say I can't go back to those anymore. Not that my line6 gx is any much more expensive, but it gets the job done much better. For me, and IMO only. It might be I don't possess the correct aptitude to master the learning curve of a cheaper interface and getting it to perform the way I want it to.
But on topic, it's like having toured around the world, tasted different cuisine, and claiming you don't want roadside bulalo anymore. My RJ is a familiar taste, i know very well the quirks of how it can sound good to me. Guitars are more like taste that way, because it's old technology and doesn't compete with a/d/a coverters or processors as much as say cars, modelling amps, pedals, and other tech stuff that keeps improving exponentially.
I have other 'better' guitars right now, but really, it's not all that different. Some nicer fit and finish stuff here and there and bragging rights, but at a minimum if a guitar sounds good for you,it's all that's right to be inspired to play. If RJ can keep improving the affordable range, then playing inspired is within the reach of entry level players and hobbyists.
Got the same negative sentiments with the RJSV, being in that price range. What is it really trying to be? But I just shrug, because a few might actually have some utility for it. Good for them RJ has a few.
How's that for a spade?
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on November 28, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
Amen to that!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: firemodel55 on November 30, 2014, 09:09:27 AM
Lets put it this way, probably there is an RJ that sounds better than Ibanez. But if you compare a great sounding RJ versus a great sounding Ibanez Japan; I think the RJ will be much much inferior on every aspect other than price.
Don't believe Mr. RJ because either: 1) He is trying to make a sale to you or 2) He is deaf and cannot hear a difference. I can challenge the guy and ask him to put ANY RJ guitar instock and even his own personal U.S. made instruments and I will show him how LARGELY inferior his guitars are to mine.
Finally, you get what you pay for. Some people would like to justify guitar gear as value for money but with regards to electric guitars -- its either the guitar has it or it does NOT. There is no ratio or quotient needed for computation. With regards to guitar amps -- its either the amps sound good to the ears and projects an enveloping sound with a soft and rich feel or it does NOT. It short, the amp has to make your audience stay until your next song and not wishing for you to get down from the stage.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 30, 2014, 09:23:10 AM
once in a while we get this urge to.buy domething out of boredome perhaps..kahit di naman kailangan..masarap lanv feeling...lalo pag laking price drop... Ngayon for me its those damn straplocks..expensive buggers..but they add extra cool to your gear...but i don really actually need them as those beer bottle washers im currently using works perfectly..so.. I guess buying or actually spending money on an rj guitar is a novelty..katuwaan..who knows you migh end up with a gem...tapos sarap pa nz hobby na modify..at pagandahin pa lalo...pero for sure its not really a serious instrument to really love it long time....wals naman yatang serious sessionst or artist ang gumagamit ng rj for pro level work....kahit ata kabanda ni rj sa shows niya di kinoconsider to plag with their band leaders guitars...
I think for rj guitars..pag kinati ka to go man shopping...some things to consider are..
Buy only if rj is on bday sale..
And buy if the money youll be using is very disposable..
Sarap din magpunta sa shop trying out and finding gems...then ideas and visions on what next steps you will do to upgrade it later on..etc...usual feel good man shopping stuff..
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: firemodel55 on November 30, 2014, 09:31:53 AM
once in a while we get this urge to.buy domething out of boredome perhaps..kahit di naman kailangan..masarap lanv feeling...lalo pag laking price drop... Ngayon for me its those damn straplocks..expensive buggers..but they add extra cool to your gear...but i don really actually need them as those beer bottle washers im currently using works perfectly..so.. I guess buying or actually spending money on an rj guitar is a novelty..katuwaan..who knows you migh end up with a gem...tapos sarap pa nz hobby na modify..at pagandahin pa lalo...pero for sure its not really a serious instrument to really love it long time....wals naman yatang serious sessionst or artist ang gumagamit ng rj for pro level work....kahit ata kabanda ni rj sa shows niya di kinoconsider to plag with their band leaders guitars...
I think for rj guitars..pag kinati ka to go man shopping...some things to consider are..
Buy only if rj is on bday sale..
And buy if the money youll be using is very disposable..
Sarap din magpunta sa shop trying out and finding gems...then ideas and visions on what next steps you will do to upgrade it later on..etc...usual feel good man shopping stuff..
Though I understand the need for project guitars, I consider expensive guitars as my project guitars. The only two guitars that I have left stock so far are my Blue Colored Baker B3 SL and my 1991 PRS Custom 24.
The thread starter was asking a question that required an affirmative or negative answer on whether RJ guitars sound bad, and thus unfortunately, I have to give a very committed answer so that the thread starter will be clear on my position against RJ.
Panay marketing HALF TRUTHS si RJ, and I feel it my responsibility to complete the other not so nice to hear half truth about RJ guitars.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on November 30, 2014, 10:01:38 AM
If break down an rj guitar...usually the parts are the really cheap oem parts and electronics...graded..quality woods are out of the question..so basically your jyst buying a run of the mill shandong china factory oem guitar no different from those entry level squires and ibanez gios...so...only buy when it sale as the price is most fair for the make and build of the item.. And do not give into the rjsv hupe with fancy see through casecand certificates of authenticity and rk hang tags..etc.. Its just the same as any other rj..really dont know why they still try to sell something as their top of the line..prestigious...can rival th big brands....tama nga yung isang post...why not nagpakatotoo nalang..kung di naman sila magiinovate or really create something in light with their 90’s vision...
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on November 30, 2014, 08:41:31 PM
Some Christmas tune chord melody on my RJ les paul:
OT thread here: http://talk.philmusic.com/index.php?topic=323997.0
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on December 01, 2014, 06:06:42 AM
I guess where I am coming from regarding the marketing gimmicks( and I think most of those RJ bashers are in agreement) is this( using your analogy of bulalo):
I like roadside bulalos as well, heck I like em so much that when the first Bulaluhan sa Espana came out, I was already there. It was patronized by taxi and jeepney drivers and me being an always drunk student at the the time, stumbled upon this great place serving great bulalo at roadside price in welcome rotonda(they only had 2 umbrellas back then and it was in front of the school not where they are now). It was marketed as bulalo, it tasted like bulalo. It served its purpose as pampausaw(in Ilocano). At the time it was 30pesos or so.
But, if that same bulalo is served to me at the same place, at the time, with fancy French sounding names claiming to tastel like Wagyu or such and at a higher price, would I eat there? No. NO. I would know a gimmick from a spade.
I think we are both in agreement that, had RJ should stick to pricing his guitars as budget friendly, entry level guitars there would be no debate as this. I have owned a few pieces of their gears as well, but not the price they are selling it at their stores. I bought them cheap, 2nd hand where the pricing is fair for its worth. I like them guitars, I am even planning to buy one when on their sale. Budget, entry level guitars, thats what RJ rebadged guitars are. Not as high end guitars with capabilities of superheroes.
That in BULALO analogy, is where everyone is coming from regarding RJ marketing sir.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: iamppej on December 01, 2014, 07:24:49 AM
If break down an rj guitar...usually the parts are the really cheap oem parts and electronics...graded..quality woods are out of the question..so basically your jyst buying a run of the mill shandong china factory oem guitar no different from those entry level squires and ibanez gios...so...only buy when it sale as the price is most fair for the make and build of the item.. And do not give into the rjsv hupe with fancy see through casecand certificates of authenticity and rk hang tags..etc.. Its just the same as any other rj..really dont know why they still try to sell something as their top of the line..prestigious...can rival th big brands....tama nga yung isang post...why not nagpakatotoo nalang..kung di naman sila magiinovate or really create something in light with their 90’s vision...
^_^
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on December 01, 2014, 09:05:07 AM
I guess where I am coming from regarding the marketing gimmicks( and I think most of those RJ bashers are in agreement) is this( using your analogy of bulalo):
I like roadside bulalos as well, heck I like em so much that when the first Bulaluhan sa Espana came out, I was already there. It was patronized by taxi and jeepney drivers and me being an always drunk student at the the time, stumbled upon this great place serving great bulalo at roadside price in welcome rotonda(they only had 2 umbrellas back then and it was in front of the school not where they are now). It was marketed as bulalo, it tasted like bulalo. It served its purpose as pampausaw(in Ilocano). At the time it was 30pesos or so.
But, if that same bulalo is served to me at the same place, at the time, with fancy French sounding names claiming to tastel like Wagyu or such and at a higher price, would I eat there? No. NO. I would know a gimmick from a spade.
I think we are both in agreement that, had RJ should stick to pricing his guitars as budget friendly, entry level guitars there would be no debate as this. I have owned a few pieces of their gears as well, but not the price they are selling it at their stores. I bought them cheap, 2nd hand where the pricing is fair for its worth. I like them guitars, I am even planning to buy one when on their sale. Budget, entry level guitars, thats what RJ rebadged guitars are. Not as high end guitars with capabilities of superheroes.
That in BULALO analogy, is where everyone is coming from regarding RJ marketing sir.
I can understand that. My beef here is people come in with a palette for Wagyu or USDA Prime Rib, see the pricing of a bulalo and the way it's marketed, and say it can't possibly taste good.
I may be out of line here, but there are instances I'd prefer the local hot soup, and everything that comes with it. I know there might be a Chinese dish that's similar, or it may taste like Malaysian Bah Kuh Teh, but you get a nice serving once, and you'll be coming back. On the other hand, yeah.. sometimes people get nasty floaters on their soup, and that turns them off for life.
I do understand where you guys are coming from. All good.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Musikerochan on December 01, 2014, 09:24:47 AM
poteks parang gusto ko ng isa uling RJ LP ah.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on December 01, 2014, 09:34:45 AM
I can understand that. My beef here is people come in with a palette for Wagyu or USDA Prime Rib, see the pricing of a bulalo and the way it's marketed, and say it can't possibly taste good.
I may be out of line here, but there are instances I'd prefer the local hot soup, and everything that comes with it. I know there might be a Chinese dish that's similar, or it may taste like Malaysian Bah Kuh Teh, but you get a nice serving once, and you'll be coming back. On the other hand, yeah.. sometimes people get nasty floaters on their soup, and that turns them off for life.
I do understand where you guys are coming from. All good.
I do acknowledge at times, one may want the simple tasting bulalo BUT based on my experience -- more often that not at around 90% of the time - USDA Prime and Kobe Beef are way way better than any local Bulalo. I consume both and I cook with USDA Prime as much as possible. Unfortunately, no Kobe Beef is exported out of Japan.
That being, the taste, texture and softness of real Kobe Beef is a league of its own that bulalo will not approximate in any scenario whatsoever.
In relation to all talk about meat, I would say that RJ Guitars is the double dead of Bulalo.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: inexperience on December 02, 2014, 09:24:33 AM
hahaha double dead agad. :-D
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: siore on December 02, 2014, 10:06:56 AM
I do acknowledge at times, one may want the simple tasting bulalo BUT based on my experience -- more often that not at around 90% of the time - USDA Prime and Kobe Beef are way way better than any local Bulalo. I consume both and I cook with USDA Prime as much as possible. Unfortunately, no Kobe Beef is exported out of Japan.
That being, the taste, texture and softness of real Kobe Beef is a league of its own that bulalo will not approximate in any scenario whatsoever.
In relation to all talk about meat, I would say that RJ Guitars is the double dead of Bulalo.
All good. I agree Kobe beef is in a league of its own. Your PRS is a stunner. Would love to get my hands on one someday.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on December 02, 2014, 10:22:57 AM
I do acknowledge at times, one may want the simple tasting bulalo BUT based on my experience -- more often that not at around 90% of the time - USDA Prime and Kobe Beef are way way better than any local Bulalo. I consume both and I cook with USDA Prime as much as possible. Unfortunately, no Kobe Beef is exported out of Japan.
That being, the taste, texture and softness of real Kobe Beef is a league of its own that bulalo will not approximate in any scenario whatsoever.
In relation to all talk about meat, I would say that RJ Guitars is the double dead of Bulalo.
hahaha double dead of bulalo
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Musikerochan on December 02, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
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tara na bili tau. haha.
im eyeing the rj es335. if i cant get in ontheir sale, someone is selling me their rj ex3. same thing.
and another epi sheraton on the way. gas my friend. GAS.
just did, sort of. re-bought an RJ bass i sold months ago. may something eh.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: titser_marco on December 02, 2014, 08:30:22 PM
I went in to hear povs re RJ and here I am GAS-ing for bulalo in piping hot stock
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Post by: officebiker on December 02, 2014, 08:46:12 PM
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: jm the mute on December 10, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
I was at southmall last night. I was pulled in when I saw a Gibson korina V ready for playing at their testing area. ok naman siya, could use a good setup (frets are a bit rough)...if di lang ako nagtitipid for something else, binili ko na dapat sya pang harabas. but what really got me was a Gibson lp junior double cut copy for less than 9k!!! saying hindi ako sumilip nung sale nila last weekend!!! in my opinion, with a little TLC, RJ's can sound good and they can be a reliable all around guitar. its just a guitar...you have to make it work.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: juan_alderete on December 10, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
I was at southmall last night. I was pulled in when I saw a Gibson korina V ready for playing at their testing area. ok naman siya, could use a good setup (frets are a bit rough)...if di lang ako nagtitipid for something else, binili ko na dapat sya pang harabas. but what really got me was a Gibson lp junior double cut copy for less than 9k!!! saying hindi ako sumilip nung sale nila last weekend!!! in my opinion, with a little TLC, RJ's can sound good and they can be a reliable all around guitar. its just a guitar...you have to make it work.
i was gassing for that as well, looks good. :cool: (http://rjguitarcenter.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/RJ_Bluesbreaker__54785efc94b9d.png)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: jm the mute on December 10, 2014, 02:15:36 PM
i was gassing for that as well, looks good. :cool: (http://rjguitarcenter.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/RJ_Bluesbreaker__54785efc94b9d.png)
kelan ba next sale? malay ko ba naman kasi na meron an silang ganito
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: bakit? on December 10, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
eto sa akin magaganda sa rj:
es copies lp copies prs copies mosrite
haha yan. basta maayus lang pagpili.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: juan_alderete on December 10, 2014, 02:40:21 PM
mejo madali lang naman mag promote sa social media eh haha,
mejo OT.
pero baka nagbabasa rin sila dito, pinaka madaling exposure is to do contest of sorts, kahit simpleng premyo lang (guitar cable,capo,strings), to enter pls share this etc etc. do this every week, and ang reach mo will double triple kahit wag kanang mag tv,radio ad.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: red lights on December 10, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
^ yung RJ Sunday Jam nila sa TV station nya, namimigay sila dun ng shades, shirts, scholarship and discounted guitars sa mga viewers and callers
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: guitabot on December 10, 2014, 04:33:47 PM
I tested my brother in-laws RJ PREMIUM ACOUSTIC, nabili nya nung may 50% sale. IMHO, for its price maganda ang tunog and kahit hindi na isetup.
RJ DQ4168EQ LC-4 (Natural Satin)
Features:
Top: Spruce Sides & Back: Sapele Neck: Nato Fretboard: Rosewood Bridge: Rosewood Number of Frets: 20 Pick-up: LC-4
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on December 10, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
i was in southmall a few days ago. tamang tama natapat ako sa 50% off na sale. pila nga lang. My wife and i were planning to buy a ukelele since Half price nga. But when i checked it hindi ako nasulitan. the price tag was 3.7k. Kahit half price i didn't think it was a good deal.
Ang daming tao!! pero Sobra bagal ng staff as in. I lined up for 30mins. Ang nakita ko lang na worth the wait in-line are the strings!! The Ernie ball slinky's at 150 a set! The D'addarios 165 a set!. Got me 6 sets since 3 items lang per person( me and kumander)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: caloyness on December 11, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
i've tried yung RJ BluesBreaker which is worth 11k, the grains looks good. Actually eye catching yung wood ok yung finish though yung parts like knobs and tuners are like MEH.
Tried it on both clean and distorted sound, and i'm surprised that it sounds good for the price, for me it's on par with an epiphone studio model at most. If you were able to get that on the 50% price which would cost you 5.5k, i could say it's worth it. Pero of course this is without consideration of the durability since i don't own one.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: TagaRetiro on December 11, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
i've tried yung RJ BluesBreaker which is worth 11k, the grains looks good. Actually eye catching yung wood ok yung finish though yung parts like knobs and tuners are like MEH.
Tried it on both clean and distorted sound, and i'm surprised that it sounds good for the price, for me it's on par with an epiphone studio model at most. If you were able to get that on the 50% price which would cost you 5.5k, i could say it's worth it. Pero of course this is without consideration of the durability since i don't own one.
Had a RJ BluesBreaker as my first electric guitar. The tuners sucked so much.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: queer_rocker on December 11, 2014, 08:04:14 PM
Had a RJ BluesBreaker as my first electric guitar. The tuners sucked so much.
What about the tuners you didn't like, for future buyer reference?
The closed tuners on my RJ LP is very stable, lube on the nut is all that's needed. Have had no issues with string spacing or nut break angle, but these are areas future buyers might look into, if RJ quality control is all over the place.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: chazkidlat on December 12, 2014, 12:00:29 PM
totoong mahogany bodies nila?
if so.. does it mean. pag pinalitan lahat hardwares at gagamitin body nila ok ba ang RJ?
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: TagaRetiro on December 12, 2014, 12:42:58 PM
What about the tuners you didn't like, for future buyer reference?
The closed tuners on my RJ LP is very stable, lube on the nut is all that's needed. Have had no issues with string spacing or nut break angle, but these are areas future buyers might look into, if RJ quality control is all over the place.
The LP I bought was set up horribly. The nut wasn't glued to the neck :eek:, It was only being held in place by the tension of the strings which might explain why tuning the guitar properly was next to impossible (Maybe it wasn't the tuners fault after all). There were lots of string buzzes and dead spots sa higher frets plus it was set up with the action as high as our taxes.
I bought the guitar around 2010-2011 back when I had ZERO knowledge about guitars. Only realized I bought a lemon after reading about guitar set up sa web. Still loved it to bits though, siguro may ganong magic talaga pag first guitar haha
I have no idea kung nagimprove na yung quality control ng RJ pero sana they at least set-up the guitars since madami sa consumers nila is first-time guitar buyers or beginners.
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on December 12, 2014, 07:15:14 PM
If totoong mahogany yes, but imagine the cost/hassle/time wasted replacing all the hardware.
Might as well buy a guitar with good hardware for 20K.
good point. :)
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: gandydancer123 on December 17, 2014, 04:18:54 PM
I say go the one time big time route...instead of spending money on these types of guitars... think it over..whats your ultimate most prized dream guitar na gusto mo sa buhay mo...save up for it..racket lang ng rakcet and sideline whatever.. and find a good deal and buy it...
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: iamppej on December 19, 2014, 03:02:58 PM
I say go the one time big time route...instead of spending money on these types of guitars... think it over..whats your ultimate most prized dream guitar na gusto mo sa buhay mo...save up for it..racket lang ng rakcet and sideline whatever.. and find a good deal and buy it...
I agree.. eto ginawa ko para makuha ko mga gears ko ee.. ^_^
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: XFree on December 20, 2014, 09:57:17 AM
going back to the threads title
my answer is
YES! pangit tumonog
but in fairness maganda ang finish nila!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on December 22, 2014, 05:08:35 AM
I say go the one time big time route...instead of spending money on these types of guitars... think it over..whats your ultimate most prized dream guitar na gusto mo sa buhay mo...save up for it..racket lang ng rakcet and sideline whatever.. and find a good deal and buy it...
My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: Panget ba talaga tumunog ang RJ Guitar?
Post by: Magus on December 22, 2014, 05:15:12 AM