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Title: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: L0rkhan on August 08, 2013, 04:52:27 AM
Ako si Lorkhan isang NEWBIE sa Philmusic na naka base sa Taif Saudi Arabia.

Isang Araw sa office: Nag hahanap ako sa (Classifieds: Guitar accessories) ng guitar wireless system, then nakita ko ung post na ito na worht 9,000 php for a Line6 g30 wireless relay.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y399/Asuradasix/LORKAN2_zps7b833305.jpg)

ang ginawa ko, syempre ung basic na ginagawa ng isang customer, mag tanong, mag review sa item, mag msg sa seller at kung ano pa, at ang huli tawagan ung seller,

by the way, involve ung pinsan ko dito, kasi sya ung inutusan ko makikipag meet at magdadala ng pera sa seller, kasi nga nasa SAUDI nga ako.

nag usap at nag katawaran na kame ng seller, at nag kasundo sa 8k for pickup, not for meetup.
take note: nag overseas call ako sa kanya para lang ma confirm na sure buyer ako.

nag kasundo kame sa setup at price na tinawad ko sa item nya, nag sabi pa ang seller na "paki bilis lang at wag sanang abutin ng thursday" so binigay ko lahat ng ditalye ng ka deal ko sa pinasn ko at  nakipag arrange agad, at bilin ko sa pinsan ko na pag nakuha ung pera tawagan agad at puntahan ung anak ng bakokang na ito kasi mukhang wala atang pera at namumulubi na, at ang dimuhong seller nag offer pa na i transfer nalang ung pera at i lbc nalang ung item, para mabilis daw, WTF, syempre di ko ginawa un,

so na itransfer ko na ung pera worth 8,000 sa pinsan ko on that afternoon saudi time, so kinabukasan ng umaga nakuha ng pinsan ko ung pera, eto na, eto na si kulangot na seller, tinatawagan ng pinsan ko para malaman kung san ung exact location nya para puntahan, nag msg pinsan ko sakin ng morning sa pinas vai FB, sabi ng pinsan ko naka patay ang phone ng ka deal mo, aftr kong mabasa ung msg ng pinsan ko ng 8am morning saudi time, dali dali kong tinatawagan at nag tetext kay kulangot na seller para lang malaman nya na tuloy ung deal namen, ang dimuho di sinasagot ung phone nya, hanggang 1pm saudi time, hanggang nag text ako na "Brad cancel ko nalang di ka nasagot sa tawag namen", at may sinabi pa ako na "[grape] ka brad, wala kang isang salita, naka sarado natayo eh, [grape] ka nag church ka pa naman,

at nakita ko ung post ni kulangot na SOLD na.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y399/Asuradasix/LORKAN_zpsce88945f.jpg)

tanong lang mga boss,
1. MASAMA BANG TUMAWAD SA BIBILHIN MO NA USED ITEM
2. LOWBALLER ang matatawag sakin eh 1st offer ko 7,5k, nag refuse sya at nag stick sa 9k, tpos nag offer ulit ako ng 8k for my last price, ni-reject mya ulit, so nag reply ako ng "ah ganun po ba boss, salamat nalang" after that, nag msg sya ulit at nag agree sa 8k for pick up. kung lowballer ako, dapat dina sya nag reply sa last msg ko. tpos ang usapan namen.
3. Masama bang malaman ng buyer sa seller na may biglang nag offer na mas mataas na price kaysa sa tawad ko?
4. Masama bang sumagot sa telepono lalo na at may ka deal kang tao nag aantay ng sagot kung tuloy ba ang deal o hindi?
5. Ganito po ba ang ginagawa sa mga newbie na katulad ko? or sa ibang mga newbie din? senior member pa naman sya.

Moral lesson: Buti nalang di ko na itransfer ung pera direct sa kanya, kung hindi naitakbo nya ung pera ko at naibenta pa nya sa iba ung item nya,

Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 05:49:38 AM
You should've settled this privately and yeah, what he did to you sucks pero wala naman nawala sayo aside from phone credits and your effort. Sana nagmoveon ka na lang at naghanap ng bagong wireless. Ang mahal pa nga ng tinda nya sa totoo lang. Point is, baka magback fire pa sayo tong thread. What's done is done and you noone can do [gooey brown stuff] about it anymore. Item nya yun so discretion nya kung kanino nya ibebenta yung item, sa kanya yun e. Also, you should understand na wala ka pang online reputation dito. Ako din I don't reserve. Unless kilala ko. Pinagmumura mo pa nga sha di ba?  Di pa ba kayo quits? Hanap ka na lang ng iba. Andami pa sa classifieds.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: L0rkhan on August 08, 2013, 06:17:09 AM
You should've settled this privately and yeah, what he did to you sucks pero wala naman nawala sayo aside from phone credits and your effort. Sana nagmoveon ka na lang at naghanap ng bagong wireless. Ang mahal pa nga ng tinda nya sa totoo lang. Point is, baka magback fire pa sayo tong thread. What's done is done and you noone can do [gooey brown stuff] about it anymore. Item nya yun so discretion nya kung kanino nya ibebenta yung item, sa kanya yun e. Also, you should understand na wala ka pang online reputation dito. Ako din I don't reserve. Unless kilala ko. Pinagmumura mo pa nga sha di ba?  Di pa ba kayo quits? Hanap ka na lang ng iba. Andami pa sa classifieds.

salamat boss, i  know na mali itong ginawa kong thread, at dapat sa private msg ko nalang inilagay itong galit ko,
siguro sa sobrang galit ko lang sa kulangot na un, and as a professional with a good job, hindi na dapat ako lumbel sa level nya,

and one thing boss, pano ulit ako mag kakaroon ng tiwala sa mga darating ko na ka-deal classified, eh kung ung una kong kadeal dito sa PM eh balasubas na, diba nakaka dala ung  ganun for a new member,

Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 06:23:04 AM
salamat boss, i  know na mali itong ginawa kong thread, at dapat sa private msg ko nalang inilagay itong galit ko,
siguro sa sobrang galit ko lang sa kulangot na un, and as a professional with a good job, hindi na dapat ako lumbel sa level nya,

and one thing boss, pano ulit ako mag kakaroon ng tiwala sa mga darating ko na ka-deal classified, eh kung ung una kong kadeal dito sa PM eh balasubas na, diba nakaka dala ung  ganun for a new member,
Nasayo yan kung pano ka ulit magtitiwala kasi ikaw nakakaramdam nyan e. so far naman lahat ng deals ko dito successful. Philmusic classified for me is the best place to buy gear kasi una, mura, bawal ang fake and sacred ang deals dito. Kaya yung may mga plano na mangscam di sila pwede dito. Kukuyugin sha dito.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: pie-key on August 08, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
na ninja moves ka sir Lorkhan. hehehe  :razz:

anyways, tama si sir JM, Philmusic is a very known place para sa mga gear na mura. you can never go wrong kung tamang tao magiging ka-transact mo. Next time review mo muna yung seller/buyer, minsan kasi ang hirap talagang magtiwala.

ang nakaka-pangit lang dito may word na Church na naman na involve, its a sad thing for a Christian like me na may mga ganitong tao. Anyways best of luck next time.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: red lights on August 08, 2013, 07:38:49 AM


Hindi nga maganda yung ginawa sayo sir, tapos may habol pa na "bitter lowballer - wag ka mag-wireless kung wala ka budget" parang nang-aasar pa.  :-(
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: analog.matt on August 08, 2013, 08:13:02 AM
salamat boss, i  know na mali itong ginawa kong thread, at dapat sa private msg ko nalang inilagay itong galit ko,
siguro sa sobrang galit ko lang sa kulangot na un, and as a professional with a good job, hindi na dapat ako lumbel sa level nya,

and one thing boss, pano ulit ako mag kakaroon ng tiwala sa mga darating ko na ka-deal classified, eh kung ung una kong kadeal dito sa PM eh balasubas na, diba nakaka dala ung  ganun for a new member,



yes maraming hindi professional sa ugali. he shouldn't even have called you a low baller. wala naman masama kung mag offer. once or twice. basta magalang. part lang yan ng professional negotiation -offer/counter offer. pero kung ipipilit yung low price, at kung ano ano pa sasabihin at kululitin ka. yun ang low baller for me. kasama na din sa professionalism yung pag abiso sa inyo na may mas magandang offer. sometimes verbal deals are just that, unless nagkaroon ng kaliwaan ng pera or downpayment. maaring morally wrong, pero hanggang dun lang.

part din ng professionalism yung pag tanggap na hindi natuloy ang deal.

and you're now working in Saudi, a little bit of broad thinking brod. lam mo na..

Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: Brewstein15 on August 08, 2013, 08:55:19 AM
tama lang ginawa mo sir na hindi ka nagtiwala kagad.walang nawala sau kundi load lang.yung iba nga mas malaki pa yung na-scam sa kanila ehh.
since napasok yung pagiging church member nya,let go and let God na lang.

maging magaling ka na lang kumilatis sa susunod.

mas ok kung yung makadeal mo sa susunod ay yung may character references para meron kang pagtanungan tungkol sa seller.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: TagaRetiro on August 08, 2013, 09:31:16 AM
By definition ano ba ang lowballer?

Kasi iniisip ko that lowballing is when both parties agree on a specific term and when its time to exchange goods kulang or mass less dun sa napagusapan yung ibabayad or itratrade ng isang party.

Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: rubis915 on August 08, 2013, 09:37:58 AM
IMHO ...  Lowballer asking for 50% discount.
para sa akin ang tawad around 10%..  max at around 20%.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 09:38:42 AM
IMHO ...  Lowballer asking for 50% discount.
para sa akin ang tawad around 10%..  max at around 20%.
Pano kung overpriced?
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: cayle on August 08, 2013, 09:45:00 AM
Hindi maganda yang nangyari. Dude, there are still a lot of good sellers here in Philmusic. You can still find better deals out there. IMO, you weren't lowballing. In fact, sa story mo the seller agreed na rin sa 8k price.  :wave:

I want to hear the side of the seller naman.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: rowley75 on August 08, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
 :lol:
Ganun talaga ang tao kung may dumating na mas malaking offer yun ang kukunin.
Hindi mo sana minura agad agad.. :lol:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
:lol:
Ganun talaga ang tao kung may dumating na mas malaking offer yun ang kukunin.
Hindi mo sana minura agad agad.. :lol:
Yeah. For the whole world to see.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: nickson on August 08, 2013, 11:20:51 AM
Tinanggap ko na din na madaming experiences na mararanasan kapag nag benta ka or namili ka sa PM ads.

I've had my fair share of ups and downs. Pero pinalalagpas ko na lang.  :lol:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: rowley75 on August 08, 2013, 11:28:16 AM
Yeah. For the whole world to see.

Onga e.. Baka tumawad si TS na nakalagay sa ad nung seller fixed. Lowball yun pag ganun hahaha!

Tinanggap ko na din na madaming experiences na mararanasan kapag nag benta ka or namili ka sa PM ads.

I've had my fair share of ups and downs. Pero pinalalagpas ko na lang.  :lol:

And that's the most professional way to do.. :drool:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: red lights on August 08, 2013, 11:30:49 AM


pero the fact na nagkasundo na si TS at yung seller di ba. Plus yung aroganteng post ni Seller sa topic na yun. Kung ako man ganunin, mabibwisit din ako
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 11:32:03 AM

pero the fact na nagkasundo na si TS at yung seller di ba. Plus yung aroganteng post ni Seller sa topic na yun. Kung ako man ganunin, mabibwisit din ako
Nagwolverine muna si TS bago nagKUPS MODE yung seller.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: red lights on August 08, 2013, 12:02:47 PM
^ ganun ba, kala ko kasi nauna yung banat ni seller, kaya nag-wolverine si TS  :lol:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: rickbig41 on August 08, 2013, 12:18:01 PM
dapat di mo minura mura TS, tabla na kayo niyan... first time mo ba maki deal online TS?
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: sanchai on August 08, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

ang nakaka-pangit lang dito may word na Church na naman na involve, its a sad thing for a Christian like me na may mga ganitong tao. Anyways best of luck next time.

this...

hay naku... nakakalungkot...nasisira ang mga Christian...
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: gainsucker on August 08, 2013, 12:35:10 PM
Mas malupit yung nasa meeting place ka na at sadabihin sayo na naibenta na sa iba  :eek:

Ipagdasal mo na lang siya. Eid Mubarak!
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: IncX on August 08, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
hmmm, sa tingin ko, wala namang mali ginawa ang seller, pero, a$$hole sya based on your story.

and mali din ginawa mo TS, starting a thread like this. with what you did, nagkaroon ka pa tuloy ng kalaban sa mababaw lang na dahilan. move on na lang ... i was interested with his item din, pero after checking ebay, i also found it overpriced.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: L0rkhan on August 08, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
Maraming salamat sa lahat ng nag comment at sa mga suggestion nyo mga boss, i do appreciate it, as a newbie dito sa philmusic, charge and add to experience nalang ito sakin dito as my first transaction sa classified guitar accessories section,

at sa tanong na
dapat di mo minura mura TS, tabla na kayo niyan... first time mo ba maki deal online TS?
sa PM oo, pero sa ibang site particularly dito saudi hindi, may na ka deal ak0ng saudi seller ng isang twin reverb sa ibang site, na closed namen ung price ng item nya, after that nag send sya ng copy of his Residence id nya (Iqama) na isang proof na hindi sya scamer, at pagdating sa meet up binigyan pa nya ako ng 1 week warranty sa item nya. after 1 week tumawag pa at kinamusta ung item nya. very smooth deal.

i admit na ako ang na una
Nagwolverine muna si TS bago nagKUPS MODE yung seller.
the reason why is, kung sinagot lang nya kahit dun sa isang tawag namen at sinabi nya na "sir may biglang nagoffer sakin na mas mataas sa price nyo kaya sa kanya ko nalang na ibenta, i hope you understand" maluwag kung tatagapin un for being a buyer. ang nakakainis lang eh ung abalang ginawa ko sa negosyante kong pinsan na nag cancel ng lahat ng sched nya para lang dito sa meetup na from pasay (buyer loct) to taytay rizal (seller loc).enough of my story mga sir at boss

salamat ulit ng marami.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: joel_marcelo on August 08, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
Maraming salamat sa lahat ng nag comment at sa mga suggestion nyo mga boss, i do appreciate it, as a newbie dito sa philmusic, charge and add to experience nalang ito sakin dito as my first transaction sa classified guitar accessories section,

at sa tanong na sa PM oo, pero sa ibang site particularly dito saudi hindi, may na ka deal ak0ng saudi seller ng isang twin reverb sa ibang site, na closed namen ung price ng item nya, after that nag send sya ng copy of his Residence id nya (Iqama) na isang proof na hindi sya scamer, at pagdating sa meet up binigyan pa nya ako ng 1 week warranty sa item nya. after 1 week tumawag pa at kinamusta ung item nya. very smooth deal.

i admit na ako ang na una the reason why is, kung sinagot lang nya kahit dun sa isang tawag namen at sinabi nya na "sir may biglang nagoffer sakin na mas mataas sa price nyo kaya sa kanya ko nalang na ibenta, i hope you understand" maluwag kung tatagapin un for being a buyer. ang nakakainis lang eh ung abalang ginawa ko sa negosyante kong pinsan na nag cancel ng lahat ng sched nya para lang dito sa meetup na from pasay (buyer loct) to taytay rizal (seller loc).enough of my story mga sir at boss

salamat ulit ng marami.
Fair enough chief.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: L0rkhan on August 08, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
salamat sir joel marcelo. kahit na stress ako sa taong un, eh nakaka wala ng stress at eye opener naman ung mga comments ng mga member dito.

i hope na di na maulit sakin ito at dobleng ingat nalang ako sa mga ma kaka deal in future,

at sa seller,nag pupunta naman sya sa church at natugtog, sya na lang ang bahala sa kanya, at sa naka bili imvery sorry dito. 
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: CeL1916 on August 08, 2013, 09:15:46 PM
Mali yung seller kasi nakipagclose deal siya sayo pero binebenta parin pala niya sa iba.. Parang yung isang reply sa nakakainis na gitarista thread.. Yung tipong nakasara na yung deal pero makikita mo may "up" reply parin yung item niya..

Anyways isang tao lang yan lorkhan, marami paring matitinong seller dito..
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: alvinratsim on August 08, 2013, 09:38:19 PM
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: ziggy stardust on August 09, 2013, 06:28:29 AM
Happened to me also... not a big deal though.. :wink:
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: NTM on August 09, 2013, 07:18:24 PM
May mga ganyan talaga dito sa PM. happened to me a lot of times. hehe. best thing is hayaan na lang sya. may makukuha ka pang iba. madame na nga nagsabi dito na "move on" yung kailangan gawin..hehe.

btw, i'm also playing at church, Christian din.  :) hindi naman lahat ganyan kausap, for me wag na natin gawing big deal kung tumutugtog man sya sa church o hindi. focus on the issue, not on sellers background. hehe.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: prince22 on August 09, 2013, 07:44:11 PM
Had a bad experience with the same guy, my advice is just let it go. You won't gain anything, just charge it to experience.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: rocker4ever on August 09, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
im Christian guitarist din pero wala pa naman nagyari ganyan sa mga ka deal ko ako pa nga na scam eh pero ok lang mas maganda naman naging kapalit...
at halos lahat ng naka deal ko eh Christian din...
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: CeL1916 on August 10, 2013, 02:01:53 AM
Had a bad experience with the same guy, my advice is just let it go. You won't gain anything, just charge it to experience.

Woah, same guy? Maiwasan na lang makadeal yun.. 
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: L0rkhan on August 10, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
May mga ganyan talaga dito sa PM. happened to me a lot of times. hehe. best thing is hayaan na lang sya. may makukuha ka pang iba. madame na nga nagsabi dito na "move on" yung kailangan gawin..hehe.

tama ka sir mag move nalang kasi nangyari na at tpos na charge to experience na nga lang, sana nag iisa ang taong un,

Had a bad experience with the same guy, my advice is just let it go. You won't gain anything, just charge it to experience.

dapat talagang iwasan sya, naka dalawa na pala, first transaction kasi sa philmusic kaya medyo na shock sa nangyari. but boss susundin kona lang lahat ng advice ng mga ka forumate na din dito, as a newbie charge to experience na nga lang.
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: gandydancer123 on May 18, 2015, 02:33:26 PM
good read
Title: Re: First Transaction in (Classifieds: Guitar accessories)
Post by: royc on May 19, 2015, 08:20:04 AM
IMO the seller cannot back out of a closed deal just because may mas mataas na offer. Nangyari na sa kin several times may nagoffer ng mas mataas after maclose ang deal. I just told the next buyer that he is next in line. Seller etiquette.