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Title: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 11, 2006, 02:42:21 PM
follow ko mamaya yung pics...

kakalagay ko pa lang kasi...

accidentally yung snare drum kong luma naipatong ko dun sa may butas ng bass drum ko. tapos nagulat ako,, nagiba ang tunog.. mas naging crunchy ang tunog niya.. dahil syempre yung bayo ng hangin sa bass drum tumatama dun sa mga snare wires..

so ngayon pinag aaralan ko pa, pag naayos ko post ko na pics mamaya..

thanks!

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eto na ang pics...
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l43/jun_BALARAW/100_4105.jpg)

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l43/jun_BALARAW/100_4106.jpg)
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: pmack on November 11, 2006, 03:22:18 PM
ayos yan jun...
pics agad ha...
:)
ayos yan para makakuha ng bagong sound...
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: Diadem on November 11, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
yeah i tried na rin yan dti....

kso problema ka sa stand yan pra sa snare.. hihi

ganamit ko yun.. 14x6 na steel snare.. hazy sa reso tapos.. pinstripe sa batter.. crunch yung tong...

and also try to use a tom.. i tried a 13" tom.. + resonance dun sa bass drum :D
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 11, 2006, 04:42:42 PM
yeah i tried na rin yan dti....

kso problema ka sa stand yan pra sa snare.. hihi

ganamit ko yun.. 14x6 na steel snare.. hazy sa reso tapos.. pinstripe sa batter.. crunch yung tong...

and also try to use a tom.. i tried a 13" tom.. + resonance dun sa bass drum :D
yun nga lang stand ng snare ang problem.. pero pinapatong ko lang yung snare sa mga books. hehehe...
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: drummer_boy17 on November 11, 2006, 08:09:19 PM
patingin nun pics....
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: drummerboy827 on November 11, 2006, 11:23:24 PM
WHAT DO U MEAN BUTAS NG BASS DRUM MO??
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: bam0120 on November 11, 2006, 11:35:34 PM
WHAT DO U MEAN BUTAS NG BASS DRUM MO??

baka yung resonant side ng bass drum nya.. me butas yung skin.
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jasperjugan on November 12, 2006, 12:11:06 AM
OT: napapalitan ba yun para magkaroon ng butas ung mga wala?
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: bam0120 on November 12, 2006, 12:12:11 AM
OT: napapalitan ba yun para magkaroon ng butas ung mga wala?

yup, lahat ng skin napapalitan.

meron mga resonant skin ng bass drum na me butas.. yung iba naman... binubutasan lng nila.
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 12:26:02 AM
sir jun ganito ba yung sinasabi mo katulad sa kit ni akira jimbo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Jj1KOCP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Jj1KOCP0)

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVDYtxZ7Ho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVDYtxZ7Ho)
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 12, 2006, 02:16:11 PM
oo parang kay akira yata.. nakita ko din kit niya.... snare ba yung nakalagay sa bass drum niya?
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 02:19:35 PM
oo parang kay akira yata.. nakita ko din kit niya.... snare ba yung nakalagay sa bass drum niya?


i think so.. looks like it...
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 12, 2006, 02:23:13 PM
oo parang kay akira yata.. nakita ko din kit niya.... snare ba yung nakalagay sa bass drum niya?


i think so.. looks like it...
kaso wala naman akong nadidinig na snare buzz sa bass drum niya... hmmmm. makunan na nga ng pic yung akin.. wait
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 02:25:47 PM
siguro kasi yung bass mic sa bass lang naka tapat... pero i dunno rin. sana may makapag confirm. cge bro post mo na..
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 12, 2006, 03:34:49 PM
ayan may pic na sa taas ^^^
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: KitC on November 12, 2006, 04:02:33 PM
sir jun ganito ba yung sinasabi mo katulad sa kit ni akira jimbo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Jj1KOCP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2Jj1KOCP0)

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVDYtxZ7Ho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcVDYtxZ7Ho)


That's not a snare in front of Akira's bass drum. That's a Yamaha Subkick (http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/PressReleaseDetail/0,,CNTID%253D33527%2526CTID%253D,00.html). It's a 6.5" woofer mounted inside a 10" shell. It's basically a subsonic kick mic.
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 12, 2006, 04:32:22 PM
try niyo to mga kapatid para malaman niyo kung pano tunog.. mas maganda siguro kung mas maraming wire para mas buzz ang snare.
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. then...
Post by: marvinq on November 12, 2006, 04:48:15 PM
oo parang kay akira yata.. nakita ko din kit niya.... snare ba yung nakalagay sa bass drum niya?

it's called a yamaha subkick. it's essentially a 6.5" subwoofer reverse-wired and is being used as a secondary kickdrum microphone. it captures frequencies way below the limit of most kick drum microphones. the speaker is housed in an 8" drum shell. i also use a subwoofer as a second kickdrum mic (although not the yamaha subkick)

putting a tom in front of a bass drum isn't actually a new thing. even engineers from the 70's have been doing it to capture more frequencies and harmonics to add to the bass drum sound. they use a separate kick drum mic or condenser mic to do this.

Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: marvinq on November 12, 2006, 07:45:32 PM
oh, by the way, if you like the sound of your bass drum when you put a snare in front - you can try placing the snare in it's usual place, and just add a microphone under the snare drum. even in that position the snare wires sympathetically resonates with the bass drum.

at least in this position, you can still use the snare drum. :-D

about the subkick, well, there was a thread on it in the very recent past. hasn't been updated for a long time though.

i think i might just do that...
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 09:00:26 PM
hmmm.. interesting.. you mean by reverse wire is changing the polarity of the speaker? tama ba? and that will give you a mic effect?
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: pmack on November 12, 2006, 09:02:07 PM
hmmm.. interesting.. you mean by reverse wire is changing the polarity of the speaker? tama ba? and that will give you a mic effect?

ako na lang muna.
tama po!
:)
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: peeves24 on November 12, 2006, 09:07:55 PM
hmmm.. interesting.. you mean by reverse wire is changing the polarity of the speaker? tama ba? and that will give you a mic effect?

speakers are mics, mics are speakers

no need to reverse polarity just plug in your speaker on an unbalanced mic in
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: intake on November 12, 2006, 09:10:24 PM
snare drum ah...masubukan nga
already tried putting a cajon infront of my bass drum...bumuo ng konti yung tunog  :-)
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 09:13:36 PM
hmmm.. interesting.. you mean by reverse wire is changing the polarity of the speaker? tama ba? and that will give you a mic effect?

speakers are mics, mics are speakers

no need to reverse polarity just plug in your speaker on an unbalanced mic in

hmmm. ngayon ko lang nalaman ito ah.. hmmm.. so whats the difference in effect kapag tama ang polarity than reverse polarity kapag nilagay mo sa mic in.. and why kelangan unbalanced input? hindi ba siya mag wowork kapag balance?

sorry kung o.t. na curious lang ako..
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: peeves24 on November 12, 2006, 09:28:04 PM
unbalanced kasi 2 wires lang yun, balance di ba 3?

may effect yung pagreverse ng polarity kung nag add ka ng 2 signals (e.g. mic + woofer) kailangan reverse polarity yung isa dun kasi mag cacancel out yung bass mo. ninipis yung tunog nun imbis na ma reinforce nya. no need to reverse the polarity kung speaker lang gagamitin mo though be conscious yun sa ibang mics na malapit sa bass

try to export your recordings to mono, listen if the bass sounds weaker on mono than on your stereo mixdown, if that's the case then you need to reverse the polarity of your speaker cum mic. or simply move it farther or closer to the bass. imho just use mics, its simpler hehehe

havent tried sa balanced, baka magwork din yun kung gagamitan mo ng DI
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: Agent_So on November 12, 2006, 11:01:10 PM
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unbalanced kasi 2 wires lang yun, balance di ba 3?

oh yeah. speaker nga pala pinaguusapan.. im thinking of microphone kasi. heheheh.. sorry..
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: peeves24 on November 12, 2006, 11:05:52 PM
jun sorry sa pang hijack ng thread mo  :-D

by the way, ayos din yang snare "woofer" mo, dati sa bongos ko ginagamit yung teknik para magkaron ako nung "popcorn type" sound
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: Diadem on November 13, 2006, 12:05:27 AM
ah guys going back to the topic....

just remember .. when doing this snare in front thing of the bass drum..

2" >> 3" inches distance from the bass drum and then tune the reso higher.... and tune the batter head lower
pra mas malakas yung impact ng buzz dun sa snare.. and also .. dont over tighten the throw off of the snare...
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: jun_BALARAW on November 13, 2006, 12:18:32 AM
ah guys going back to the topic....

just remember .. when doing this snare in front thing of the bass drum..

2" >> 3" inches distance from the bass drum and then tune the reso higher.... and tune the batter head lower
pra mas malakas yung impact ng buzz dun sa snare.. and also .. dont over tighten the throw off of the snare...

ayus ganyan din ginawa ko.... nag eexperiment pa ko eh... tingin ko mas maganda tunog neto pag naka mic in. para mas dinig yung buzz..
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: bangbus on November 13, 2006, 12:20:11 AM
a kick with a buzz...quite interesting and creative...  :-) :-) :-)

here's the yamaha subkick, looks like what you guys have in mind but it has a different purpose and intended effect, its more of a microphone...a 20k petots mic at that!

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/oramismo/subkick-use.jpg)

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/oramismo/YAMAHA_SUBKICK.jpg)

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/oramismo/YKICKREAR.jpg)
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: marvinq on November 13, 2006, 07:16:17 AM
hmmm.. interesting.. you mean by reverse wire is changing the polarity of the speaker? tama ba? and that will give you a mic effect?

speakers are mics, mics are speakers

no need to reverse polarity just plug in your speaker on an unbalanced mic in

well, yes, you're right. you don't need to change the polarity. but that's what they did for the subkick. speakers and mics are both transducers. one time i even used a headphone as a mic, and a mic as a headphone.
Title: Re: accidentally... I put my snare drum on my bass drum.. may pic na
Post by: marvinq on November 13, 2006, 08:55:20 AM
hey guys for the thread on the subkick...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,23353.0.html