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The Musician Forums => Pinoydrums => Topic started by: bugoy on November 13, 2006, 01:33:08 AM
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anong character ng steel snare compared to a maple made snare ? soundwise ?
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From the Drum Tuning Bible...
Drum Woods
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id14.html --- reference for wood-shelled drum characteristics
Snare Drum
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id3.html --- reference for steel-shelled drum characteristics
8-)
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mga sir may nkita po kc akong drumset na pasadya
sa isang studio d2 samen
ung tom ganito, ung pinaka shell ay bakal tapos head lang,
ano un?
ok din daw ung tunog pero di ko pa natrtry..
tanong ko lang po, ano po ba epekto ng shell sa bawat toms..
salamat/
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Bakal na shell tapos head lang... Must be a timbale.
Epekto ng shell... Check out the Drum Tuning Bible for further references - http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/ .
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maybe this thread will help... pwd ka sa kanila magpasadya men... just check it out! :-)
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,24945.0.html
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kuya drumster salamat
laking 2long po nun,
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nde ko alam kung may thread for this subject..pero incase wala..id like to start a new thread..
gusto ko malaman sana kung anong comparison ng wood and metal snares..
im planning to buy a snare and medyo malaki budget ko..kaya talagang matindi ang research na gagawin ko..
thank you..
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gusto ko rin malaman.... hehe.. kung ang bibilin ko ba ay firecracker poplar o firecracker steel, kung maple piccolo o steel piccolo
pwede bang pati acrylic? wood vs metal vs acrylic
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yah me too..i really wanna know what's the difference.. :-D
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hehe..onga e..hope the regulars could help us on this..
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pwede sali?.. hindi ko rin kasi alam eh.. hehe..
gusto ko rin malaman kung ano pagkakaiba. tnx
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the drum tuning bible has lots of discussion about this.. you may want to search the forum for drum tuning bible.
Specifically for snares, here's the link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id3.html
As for a description of the adjectives used in there, you can refer to this:
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/id12.html
hth...
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aba..lahat ng mga tanong natin ay nasagot na..
lets read the drum tuning bible for further questions..
thanx phfreq
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oo nga eh.. tnx sir phfreq..
malaking tulong sa akin to..
tnx po ulit
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naunahan ako hehehe... yep guys, the drum tuning bible can really help a lot about some drum WHAT or WHICH questions like, What shell material produces which sound, what head combinations produces which sound, what size gives out which sound... bestfriend ko yan hehehe gudluck sating mga baguhan! weeeeeeeeeee
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wahahaha @ GG ..
baguhan daw si GG ..
more like .. master GG :evil: ..
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alam nyo ba kung san meron dealer ng pork pie locally? parang gusto ko yung 7 x 13 acrylic snare eh...
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nde ko alam kung may thread for this subject..pero incase wala..id like to start a new thread..
gusto ko malaman sana kung anong comparison ng 2 types of snares..
im planning to buy a snare and medyo malaki budget ko..kaya talagang matindi ang research na gagawin ko..
thank you..
ps: to the moderators, incase po may thread for this topic kindly post the URL..thank you..
IMO, mas ok siguro kung sasabihin mo yung preferred mong tunog (anong kanta?). yun kasi magsasabi sayo kung anong material ang gagamitin mo. dati nauso yung maple snare kaya gustong gusto ko magkaron ng maple. nakabili ako pero disappointed lang ako kasi yun palang tunog na naririnig ko na kala ko kahoy na snare e metal pala.
some things are best experienced first hand
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Kung malaki budget mo, get both!
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In general, wood snare drums produce a warmer sound, while metal snare drums produce a brighter sound.
That's the general idea. But with today's technology and innovations, drum makers are coming up with different ideas, in terms of materials, manufacturing method, design innovations such as hybrid and vented shells and so forth. Drumheads can even make a difference too.
Hence, some snare drums sound warm and bright (two contradicting characteristics) at the same time! A good example is the DW Edge hybrid maple/brass snare drum (http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/snarecoll.htm).
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A good example is the DW Edge hybrid maple/brass snare drum (http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/snarecoll.htm).
Ayan ang sagot! Perfect for Razeljoey since you mentinoed you were planning to get a DW..there you go bro metal and wood fused into one snare! :lol:
Pero I agree with DinDin..you do have a big budget so might as well get both :-D
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again...player's preference yan :-)
hindi mas maganda ang wood bet. snare and vice versa
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@sir Peeves .. onga sir i have to experience it first hand..kaso syempre need insights din para mapadali ang pagpili ko ng hardware..
btw .. thank you sir peeves para sa help mu sakin through PM .. salamat sa time para mag reply..
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@sir drumster .. sakto haha balak ko mag Dw na snare..kaso yung mga snare na yan ay mukhang nde na talaga aabot sa budget ko..hehe..
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@sir akira ..
haha si akira talaga..bunyagin ba naman ang balak ko..harhar..pero im considering to make a hybrid din e..ginagawa ko pa ung design prototype ko sa sketchup..
balak ko din kasi mag acrylic e..pero kahit anu pang snare ang mahawakan ko..importante ay ung hanap kong tunog ang lumabas..hehe..
pero sa totoo lang baka mag DW na ko..maya siguro punta ako ng Lyric Makati canvas na ko ng snare..and if siguro ok na baka kumuha na ko..ang hirap din kasi mag decide e..medyo mahal e..haha..
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If you want an almost DW sound.... try PDP... very similar and a lot cheaper... ehehe... joey pasado ako lahat! nice awawaw!
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gusto ko sila pareho, depende sa mood ko... pero mas hinahanap ko talaga tinog ng kahoy
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for me type kong tunog at masarap pakinggan ung mga picolo snares' ung wood ha' ika nga ni sir dio na' pag wood produce warmer sound pag metal produce brighter sound'
i choose a wood and metal snare na picolo'
la lang.. it's up on you bro' :mrgreen:
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@glyn .. onga e .. pdp ..
@glyn .. haha ako din pasado lahat .. graduate na ko next term .. haha sana palarin ..
woot new set of cymbals para sakin daw pag graduate ko sabi ni mama ko..
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ako eversince wood snares talaga ako....mas gusto ko yung warm kesa bright...pero steel snares din are good...i tried a pearl sensitone (tama ba?? :lol:) na 14x6 and i liked it din..it sounded wood to me...kasi ang naging problem ng iba kong kakilala na may steel shell...is nayuyupi yung shell...i dont know lang kung bakit....pero advice ko sayo..ask youre drummer friends na may wood or steel snares na pa test drive sayo para marinig mo rin mismo kung ano yung hanap mo :-D
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yup!Go marco.. tol alvin to.,. sa ust..
hehe.. dame ko na natest drive na snares ni marco.. hehe..
ung piccolo's nya.. hehe.. halata namang di xia mahilig sa
wood e dahil puro wood ung mga snare na nakkwento
niya sakin.. hehe.. di ba?
musta na tol? san ka na nagaaaral?
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@marco .. onga e..hehe..hirap din talaga mag decide lalo na kung based sa mga research and opinions lang e..iba parin ang personal test drive..
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@ harugrugrug - ayos lang ako idol..eto walang togs kasi nagpapagaling..sa psba ako nagaaral!! ano na balita??
@razeljoey - kung malapit ka lang sa katipunan..pwede tayo magmeet sa studio..patext drive ko snare ko sayo :mrgreen: para mas madalian ka na:) tapos sharing na din tayo :-)
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@marco .. ayos yan..maybe siguro next week..pm me ur number para contact kita..
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How does Beech, Oak and Ash sound as drum shells? :?
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Not exactly the info you're looking for, but...
Info on red oak: http://www.drumsolo.cc/snare_drums/snare_gallery/red_oak/red_oak.htm
Info on white ash:
http://www.drumsolo.cc/snare_drums/snare_gallery/white_ash/white_ash.htm
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As described by Yamaha Drums:
"Beech has the attack and presence of maple and the bottom-end punch of birch. Beech Custom Absolute has the best of both worlds and is the most versatile woods available."
"Oak shells offer tone that is at once loud, sensitive, ringing, clear and vibrant."
And according to Gretsch:
"Ash wood produces a lively tone that projects a clear, cutting sound."
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Wood info galore:
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=146082
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AFAIK:
oak = mellow sounding, mas buhay ng konti sa birch
birch = low end...ideal for rock
maple = buhay na buhay! :lol: best sounding wood (for me)
as for beech wood...di ko pa alam kung nakasubok nako nun eh..
comparison kits:
pearl vision
yamaha absolute maple
gretsch renown maple
tama starclassic
yamaha oak custom
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Mga sir, what's the difference in sound between 10"wood & 10"acrylic tom shells?
planning to have an extra 10" tom.
thanks :-)
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As a general thought, wood-shelled drums sound warm, while acrylic-shelled drums sound bright and have more volume.
But it can still boil down to several factors, such as shell design, shell construction, shell composition, bearing edges, hardware used, etc etc and so forth.
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Sir Dio is right. Unless you have the exactly the same snare (e.g. size, depth, heads, bearing edges etc.) can you only compare the sound characteristics between the material the shell is made from.
IMO acrylic is somewhere in the middle of wood and steel in terms of brightness.. :wink:
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korek kayo dyan.
i personally prefer a wooden snare kaso mas
matibay mga steel snare lalu na kung nasa rock band ka.
some damping techniques can almost recreate a wooden
snare sound though using a steel snare drum.
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anu po ba ang mas maganda na tunog??
para sakin mas mganda ung steel kse medyo bouncy....
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I think both shells have their distinct sonic characters. Both are good actually. It all boils down to personal preference & if it will sound good with a particular song or style of music.
Maple is known for its warm sound, and is currently an industry standard. Steel is known for its brightness and projection.
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Mod i think meron na expanded na ganitong topic. But i think it says wood vs. steel snares....
*Thanks for the tip, bro daemonite! Deriru's topic merged with the Wood vs. Metal Snares thread.
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I'm not sure if there's already been a past thread on this topic, but what do different kinds of wood commonly used for drums sound like?
Pag nagtatanong kasi ako, iba-iba sagot nakukuha ko e. For example, "ano ba tunog ng maple?"-"ah, warm and mellow yan." Pero minsan, "ah, matapang yan, malakas ang hi-end." Which is it really?
And that goes for other wood types. What does Birch sound like? What does Mahogany sound like? How do they differ?
Thanks guys!
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On Mahogany:
Ringo used to play drums made with African Mahogany (first from Premiere then from Ludwig) during the early Beatles years, African Mahogany has a fat sound and I would make sure I will get one drumkit made of it before I die. Pearl has a master series made out of African Mahogany (is it MHX series??)
The beginner drumkits Tanguile, Red Lauan, White Lauan, Tiaong, Almon, Mayapis, and Bagtikan are all refered to as Philippine Mahogany. Usually ito yung ginagamit sa mga drumsets price range na 50K or less... kasi mas mura ang Phil. mahogany. this type doesn't sound that bad... if the manufacturer did a good job with the shell and you are not that particular pagdating sa tunog then it will do. malaki ang difference ng manufacturing process sa tunog ng drumset... some of the cheap fernandos, lazer, premiere, etc. have cracks sa holes for the lugs(yung butas para sa screws), you will not see this flaw on branded starter kits. to check, silipin mo yung loob ng shell... the better kits have no such cracks. if it is cracked, you might break it easily after a couple of months.
African Mahogany is the softest among the best woods used in drums (the others are birch and maple). the softer the wood, the lower it's tone. this is why the drum track "ticket to ride" sounds so good. a beatles trivia: the distinctive drum pattern of ticket to ride is paul's (not ringo's) source: http://oldies.about.com/od/thebeatlessongs/a/tickettoride.htm
so if you want the sound of the earlier Beatles recordings then get an African Mahogany kit. If you like the sound of the later records like "Come Together" (another signature drumlick) then get a maple kit.
i think most of the drummers out there are using maple already... it will be cool to get a different wood like African Mahogany or Birch for a change. (I'm getting a Sonor Birch snare).
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ask ko lang po...ano po pinagkaiba ng tunog ng fiberglass na material of the shell sa metal, brass, wood na commonly used...marami na kasi ako nakikitang mga fiberglass na binibenta sa classifieds pati na rin po yung acrylic...just curious...thanks xP
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Difference of a Brass and Hammered Brass Snare..
in terms of sound quality?
kahit observations lang.. :lol: tnx!
*Topic merged with related thread.
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hammered brass is tad darker sounding than regular brass assuming both are equally tuned with the same heads (ang sarap maglibot sa mga guitar center, libre testing hehehe)
di mo rin madidistinguish kung alin ang ano kapag may ibang drummer na pumapalo kaya opinion ko, it doesnt matter if its hammered or not
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ui, tnx pao!
kasi nakakita ako sa lyric ng pdp hammered brass for 13k.. compared sa black panther na hammered brass na same size na 24k parang, sulit ata siya para sa price niya..
pero im still a big fan of black panthers, wala lang nakita ko lang siya, maganda tunog.. :lol: still, its a matter of preference naman dba, do you think ba na magandang alternative ung pdp? kasi panalo talaga ung tunog e, kaso lang dko pa naririnig ung bp kahit ung regular brass/hammered.. im not a big fan of metal snares before e pero the pdp convinced me na maganda pala.. :-D
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if it sounds good and the price is right then you cant go wrong :-D
nababaliw ako dun sa pork pie big black brass. generic shell lang sya pero ang ganda ng tunog, very versatile. sayang lang naubos na sa dslr accessories yung pera ko hehehe
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haha, sayang naman un.. pero may dslr ka naman.. :lol: (inggit) :-D
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Ano po ang iba't ibang tonal quality ng mga wood snare drums? Halimbawa po yung sa Maple, Walnut, Birch, etc. At saang genre sila appropriate o magandang gamitin. Salamat po.
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it's all in the ears kapatid,
pero in technical terms
maple-warm round sound
birch-natural eq good for studio and focused sound
mahogany-more of lows
bubinga-aggresive maple in steroids
anyway that's for me. it depends also on thickness
the thinner the shell,the sound would be good in near field exprience like studio or a small bar but doesn't project
the thicker the shell it looses sensivity pero it's more of projection na.
hope this helps and i know this is in another thread. imerge na lang ito. hehe :-D
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it's all in the ears kapatid,
pero in technical terms
maple-warm round sound
birch-natural eq good for studio and focused sound
mahogany-more of lows
bubinga-aggresive maple in steroids
anyway that's for me. it depends also on thickness
the thinner the shell,the sound would be good in near field exprience like studio or a small bar but doesn't project
the thicker the shell it looses sensivity pero it's more of projection na.
hope this helps and i know this is in another thread. imerge na lang ito. hehe :-D
nakakarelate ako sa description ng maple and birch, meron ako two snare na yun ang wood, masasabi ko lang tama at eksakto description mo sir haha, thanks pala sa baka kampana XD haha