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Title: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: musicjunkie on March 21, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
I have recently become in love with the Dumble tone cause of Robben Ford's latest album. It's just creamy and chimey at the same time. Can't explain it, it has a nice balance of smoothness that really expressive and horn-like.
Anyone else into this tone?
Care to share the best way to get the tone without the actual unobtanium Dumble amp?
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: curiousdcat on March 21, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
I love it too! :)
Many pedals are available to get you close to it tonewise but not the feel.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: musicjunkie on March 21, 2014, 03:43:18 PM
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: starkiller on March 21, 2014, 04:46:09 PM
cranked power amp pushing the speaker to compression, while using minimal pre-amp distortion. small tube amp combos that have good headroom (typical of 6v6 or 6l6 tubes) with their volume cranked do this well. and you don't have to break the bank to do this too... a VHT Special 6 is relatively cheap, and can do this.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: guitaricci on March 21, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
Wampler Euphoria :-D
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: starkiller on March 21, 2014, 07:47:24 PM
i was about to say wampler euphoria myself (set to smooth mode) because i personally use it too. but curiousdcat is correct to say that tone-wise, you can get close with some pedals, but you cant have the same feel of power amp clipping and speaker compression.
also consider that these pros play very loud in their venues, and the loud volume creates feedback that definitely affects the tone and sustain. this is something that can never be done in low volume.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: strat62 on March 21, 2014, 08:15:44 PM
My jaw just dropped at the sight of that amp! Glaswerks! How does it sound? Can it nail RF tones? I can smell the mojo on that Tele! What model is it?
Are you saying a TS pedal will be enough to get to dumble heaven through a fender amp? What's your most accurate formula to get there thru a fender amp?
Whats that pedal with no label? Also, dang!
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: musicjunkie on March 21, 2014, 08:55:21 PM
cranked power amp pushing the speaker to compression, while using minimal pre-amp distortion. small tube amp combos that have good headroom (typical of 6v6 or 6l6 tubes) with their volume cranked do this well. and you don't have to break the bank to do this too... a VHT Special 6 is relatively cheap, and can do this.
Agree there! I have a princeton reverb ri, it gets close with an old ts808, but there is something missing. You must be right, the power amp distorting and the speakers as well. The dynamics is just not there.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: arkeetar on March 21, 2014, 09:00:06 PM
Pag walang dumble, prefer ni rf twin reverb. May bagong rig rundown din s'ya, balik zendrive, naka timeline. Hehe mapanuod at mapakinggan ko lang ng live ok na ko
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: strat62 on March 21, 2014, 09:10:48 PM
My jaw just dropped at the sight of that amp! Glaswerks! How does it sound? Can it nail RF tones?It's a Dumble clone. Got it from Es.
I can smell the mojo on that Tele! What model is it? She's a '69.
Are you saying a TS pedal will be enough to get to dumble heaven through a fender amp? To my surprise, RF's tone came out. lol. What's your most accurate formula to get there thru a fender amp? I don't have one..
Whats that pedal with no label? It's an Andy Fuchs Prototype Plushdrive. Mine is prototype #2.. Scott Lerner has #1. Also, dang!Thanks!
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: jacobsarinas on March 21, 2014, 09:39:53 PM
March 19, 2014 - Rig Rundown - Robben Ford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO-QZNeIBYU)
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: tonwins11 on March 21, 2014, 10:16:26 PM
When it comes to dumble tones, I like Robben Ford and Larry Carlton. Pero Robben has that really unique tone na pag maririnig mo, malalaman mong siya. :)
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: arkeetar on March 22, 2014, 03:59:50 AM
When it comes to dumble tones, I like Robben Ford and Larry Carlton. Pero Robben has that really unique tone na pang maririnig mo, malalaman mong siya. :)
si carlton mas smooth, si robben mula sa rhythm playing at string attack lupet ng dynamics.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: nickson on March 22, 2014, 05:40:06 AM
Steve, patest naman nyan! Pabisita ako paguwi! :razz::razz::razz:
Pwede ba ko sumali dyan? Really impressed by the youtube clips!
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Poundcake on March 22, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
I loved my old Zendrive and Zendrive 2 but they weren't versatile enough for my rig so I sold them. I also had a Custom Tones Ethos Overdrive Amp and a Providence Stampede OD. Both pedals sounded great. The Tanabe Dumkudo is awesome. Really clear. It captures the Dumble tone more than the Zendrive does, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Lick and Slide on March 23, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
I wonder who here has tried a real Dumble amp? Not a replica amp/pedal. I'm taking about the real thing
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2014, 08:32:36 AM
Just a side note on RF tone, an important formula is his pickups. Notice that there is rarely ever a discussion on his pickups which shows how ignorant we are about tone. I don't usually endorse pickups as important as the guitar and amp but in this case it does matter for the reason that during clinics, RF and tech say good things about the product and nothing else. He uses Jim Rolphs. I am a VERY Jim Rolph user for the past three years.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: micr0chimp on March 24, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
LOVE that Robben Ford sound. Always so authoritative and commanding. He really digs into the notes. Once you get close to the tone I think that'll put it over the top in terms of feel.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: strat62 on March 24, 2014, 12:04:23 PM
RF has Rolphs in his Sakashta. I think most of his guitars have stock pu's. Though i'm not really sure.. lol.
@Nick: Sked natin pagbalik mo. Sa studio na lang tayo. @Musicjunkie: Sure bro.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: tonwins11 on March 24, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
There's this Larry Carlton concert I saw on youtube having RF as his guest. Kahit nag ri-rhythm lang na si RF eh litaw na litaw yung guitar nya kesa sa solo ni LC. Kakaiba yung tone niya. Trebly pero not necessarily shrill or ice-picky.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: skunkyfunk on March 24, 2014, 05:35:02 PM
BLUDOTONE!
BLUDOTONE BLUDO DRIVE with Rory Gallagher Strat
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
It depends on what type of Bludotone... I tested the basic version and it was inferior to the Bruno Super 100. Maybe, his version with all the upgrades may sound superior.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: free2rock on March 24, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
Upgraded eh. Tyak superior yan! :razz:
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: firemodel55 on March 24, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIrz_-YD814 BLUDOTONE BLUDO DRIVE with Rory Gallagher Strat
Loved the sound overall, but I didn't like the harsh and kinda flabby low frequencies. That, or maybe it was just the quality of the recorder.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Poundcake on March 27, 2014, 05:21:28 PM
This one looks promising:
(http://is.gd/VOo35h)
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: guitaricci on March 27, 2014, 05:56:35 PM
Bukod kay Larry Carlton and Robben Ford...are there any popular artists that are attached to this amp? Nakita ko sa wiki si Santana, Lowell George and SRV. Pero mas kilala sila na users ng ibang amp like Boogie (Santana) and Fender (SRV). Not sure about Lowell George though.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: skrumian on March 27, 2014, 06:44:35 PM
John Mayer is also a Dumble user.
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Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: vegetablejoe on March 28, 2014, 09:15:46 AM
Hello Dumble Tone Fans,
Can anyone suggest what I can best use to push (or should it be pull?) an Ethos pre-amp into glorious sustain, bordering on feedback, at low (home) volume? Should also be able to put some grit or presence around the notes, when desired...
I've got a few candidate pedals to try, but testing & a/b'ing is a long process I get impatient with. I would rather just play and jam. So maybe you guys with more pedal cascading experience can help cutdown on the testing time... here's what I can choose from at the moment:
- Beano Boost (can answer for the grit&presence?) - EP Booster (lows and highs to balance out Ethos' mids?) - Jetter GSR (GSR+Ethos=mud?) - Super Blues Pro (mids+Ethos=mud?) - VS Open Road (bassy crunch+Ethos= ? ) - RAT (grit&crunch+Ethos= ? ) - Boss FDR-1 (Ethos+DR amp-in-a-box wannabee=RF tele tone approximation?)
Any inputs to weed out & help cut down testing time will be much appreciated.
Oh, possible amps to use: Classic 30 or TSA15H into a Weber Blue Dog ceramic speaker, Cube 60, BluesCube30
Many thanks!
Jaime G.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Poundcake on March 28, 2014, 01:50:33 PM
Can anyone suggest what I can best use to push (or should it be pull?) an Ethos pre-amp into glorious sustain, bordering on feedback, at low (home) volume? Should also be able to put some grit or presence around the notes, when desired...
I've got a few candidate pedals to try, but testing & a/b'ing is a long process I get impatient with. I would rather just play and jam. So maybe you guys with more pedal cascading experience can help cutdown on the testing time... here's what I can choose from at the moment:
- Beano Boost (can answer for the grit&presence?) - EP Booster (lows and highs to balance out Ethos' mids?) - Jetter GSR (GSR+Ethos=mud?) - Super Blues Pro (mids+Ethos=mud?) - VS Open Road (bassy crunch+Ethos= ? ) - RAT (grit&crunch+Ethos= ? ) - Boss FDR-1 (Ethos+DR amp-in-a-box wannabee=RF tele tone approximation?)
Any inputs to weed out & help cut down testing time will be much appreciated.
Oh, possible amps to use: Classic 30 or TSA15H into a Weber Blue Dog ceramic speaker, Cube 60, BluesCube30
Many thanks!
Jaime G.
The main challenge in cascading ODs is finding the perfect settings for both pedals so that they can be used as a stack or as individual dirt pedals. I tend to place an OD (set to very slight gain) before my main dirt pedal (which is set to a few notches below the highest saturation/compression point that I want to have but with enough gain to be used for dirty rhythm) so that I can have a really clean sound (both off), a simulated semi-cranked clean amp sound (pre-dirt booster on), a dirty rhythm sound (main dirt on) and a searing, sustain- and harmonic-rich lead sound (both on). For volume boosting, I just add a clean booster after the main dirt pedal.
In your case, any nicely voiced TS-type will do. That or try a Bluesbreaker clone (JHS Morning Glory, KoT/PoT, etc.) if you don't like the bit of added pre-dirt mid hump to your tone. The EP Booster worked for me as well but I liked it more as the Ethos' post-dirt booster.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: tonwins11 on March 28, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
He use both his Fender and Dumble at the same time. Both mic'd and mixed going to the output speakers.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: vegetablejoe on March 31, 2014, 11:03:43 AM
Thanks, Ian!
So.... KOT or TS > Ethos
or Ethos > EP
Will try those first then!
Jaime
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Rmansh on March 31, 2014, 12:08:54 PM
i think i have something to contribute here. not a robben ford fan his music is nice and i like tele but im more in to matt scofield. he use two rock but not sure if its dumble voiced. akala ko dati lahat ng two rock dumble kaya napabili tuloy ako ng fuchs :-D which is also not a bad thing. not sure how close it is with the real thing pero im very happy i can get a lot of sounds from it. never looked at fender or vox. it more than enough. :)
matt scofield's pedalboard. i do have a deep blue delay, free the tone and Klone (arc effects) pwede na rin :-D (http://www.mattschofield.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/VertexMattSchofieldPedalboardFront_zps633cf438.jpg)
his two rock sig, daytona strat, his beloved 62 (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBQx0DAh8NNVofdh1hFw3QTSgCvkUoTjBQj5wkGunrhZANCimeYQ) (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgxWZjPmRUzsKYJl7P8q7ZHST3RGkUYR8c7IbN1akN2UdC5TLd)
my trying hard copycat MS gear, old pic. orange cab is gone, i got a matching fuchs 1x12 with eminence rwb. have a vs strat too. (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/my%20humble%20gear/IMG_5402.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/dum_zps5e186091.jpg)
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: musicjunkie on March 31, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
i think i have something to contribute here. not a robben ford fan his music is nice and i like tele but im more in to matt scofield. he use two rock but not sure if its dumble voiced. akala ko dati lahat ng two rock dumble kaya napabili tuloy ako ng fuchs :-D which is also not a bad thing. not sure how close it is with the real thing pero im very happy i can get a lot of sounds from it. never looked at fender or vox. it more than enough. :)
matt scofield's pedalboard. i do have a deep blue delay, free the tone and Klone (arc effects) pwede na rin :-D (http://www.mattschofield.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/VertexMattSchofieldPedalboardFront_zps633cf438.jpg)
his two rock sig, daytona strat, his beloved 62 (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBQx0DAh8NNVofdh1hFw3QTSgCvkUoTjBQj5wkGunrhZANCimeYQ) (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgxWZjPmRUzsKYJl7P8q7ZHST3RGkUYR8c7IbN1akN2UdC5TLd)
my trying hard copycat MS gear, old pic. orange cab is gone, i got a matching fuchs 1x12 with eminence rwb. have a vs strat too. (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/my%20humble%20gear/IMG_5402.jpg) (http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/rearocker/dum_zps5e186091.jpg)
Fuchs ODS! Nice amp! Is it really close to a dumble in tone?
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Poundcake on March 31, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
Fuchs ODS! Nice amp! Is it really close to a dumble in tone?
Medyo may differences pa yan sa true Dumble sound since hotrodded na yung circuit ng ODS-50, but it's one heck of an amp. Really great sounding. I wouldn't say that it's one of the most versatile amps out there, but for what it can do, it's awesome. Bludotone or Glaswerks siguro ang mas may laban. Or Alex's Bruno Super 100.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: Rmansh on March 31, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Fuchs ODS! Nice amp! Is it really close to a dumble in tone?
I dont know really. Need a real dumble to compare which is close to impossible. Alot of vids in youtube didnt do justice to this amp. Must hear it live. Which is how i got it. Recording amp sya sa studio. I didnt even know the brand at first, i was leaning towards two rock. paguwi ko lng ginoogle haha
Medyo may differences pa yan sa true Dumble sound since hotrodded na yung circuit ng ODS-50, but it's one heck of an amp. Really great sounding. I wouldn't say that it's one of the most versatile amps out there, but for what it can do, it's awesome. Bludotone or Glaswerks siguro ang mas may laban. Or Alex's Bruno Super 100.
Yup hot rodded sya since SLX mod and it came with different set of tubes. Its good at low volumes too. Tunog bland yun dumkudo at ecstacy kumpara dito :-D
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: iccurtepnhoj on April 01, 2014, 09:37:07 AM
ito un sakin..... :)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/30ng56d.jpg)
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: free2rock on April 01, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
I used a Dumkudo clone for dirt last Sunday. Ran it through an AMT tweed amp sim pedal. Lovely gain. Not sure how that will help this thread :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: psychic_sushi on April 02, 2014, 02:30:36 PM
Hey Jaime,
Methinks that the beano boost would be good, as the other pedals on the list may add additional color to the tone. I take it that it's a treble booster, so that wont generate much flubby bass.
I'm going on the presumption that you're enjoying the basic D kind of tone and want to extend the gain range without much deviation.
Next from the list would be the EP.
As for something outside of your arsenal, I cant recommend the RC Boost enough. It's too good. Adds more of everything in the right amounts, and its bass, treble and drive controls are just gorgeous.
Can anyone suggest what I can best use to push (or should it be pull?) an Ethos pre-amp into glorious sustain, bordering on feedback, at low (home) volume? Should also be able to put some grit or presence around the notes, when desired...
I've got a few candidate pedals to try, but testing & a/b'ing is a long process I get impatient with. I would rather just play and jam. So maybe you guys with more pedal cascading experience can help cutdown on the testing time... here's what I can choose from at the moment:
- Beano Boost (can answer for the grit&presence?) - EP Booster (lows and highs to balance out Ethos' mids?) - Jetter GSR (GSR+Ethos=mud?) - Super Blues Pro (mids+Ethos=mud?) - VS Open Road (bassy crunch+Ethos= ? ) - RAT (grit&crunch+Ethos= ? ) - Boss FDR-1 (Ethos+DR amp-in-a-box wannabee=RF tele tone approximation?)
Any inputs to weed out & help cut down testing time will be much appreciated.
Oh, possible amps to use: Classic 30 or TSA15H into a Weber Blue Dog ceramic speaker, Cube 60, BluesCube30
Many thanks!
Jaime G.
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: musicjunkie on April 02, 2014, 03:14:24 PM
I wonder if my old sansamp classic can nail a dumble-esque tone. :?
Title: Re: Dumble Tone Fans
Post by: skrumian on November 27, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
RF has Rolphs in his Sakashta. I think most of his guitars have stock pu's. Though i'm not really sure.. lol.
the 1960 tele has stock pickups daw but I've read somewhere that the bridge pickup is unusually hot. and then he had Fralin rewind them. Fralin doesnt wind one exactly like it but the closest ones in his product line are the Fralin Blues Special set daw.
that man and that tele are responsible for me switching from 1pc maple necks to slab board rosewood fretboards. :-D ultimate man-crush yun. hehe